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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:10 PM
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What do you think of Bill Clinton and his legacy?
Great president?

Flawed president who could have been so much more if kept his dick in his pants?

Trojan Horse president that sold out the democratic party and its core values and we will be paying the price for years to come?
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:13 PM
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1. Great president
Someone earlier had a list of how things like the stock market, deficit, unemployment rate was under Clinton. I thought I liked him before now I have so much more respect for Clinton after I read that list. I mean, I knew Clinton did so much to whip our country back into shape but we really were living so well in those 8 years.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:36 PM
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23. Great President - and gets greater over time!
:-)
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:15 PM
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2. eight years of dollar gas
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:15 PM
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3. He did a great job.... of screwing poor people.
That's what the DLC loves about him.

Kanary
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:51 PM
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90. Here's some of why I don't love him
Bill C.:

Allowed federal funds to be given to faith-based charities.

Upped the number of crimes that can be punishable by the death penalty and would not declare support for a moratorium on the death penalty, depsite having knowledge that there are many innocent people in line for the needle. Also he supported the 3 strikes law, even if people just committed three minor crimes like shopilifting gum.

Was against same-sex marriages.

Knocked ten million people off of welfare who had nowhere else to turn. (And offered states extra money if they too reduced the welfare rolls, but did not require that these folks have some sort of job or alternative income source.)

Was not supportive of pregnant teens who needed help.

Pursued most of Newt Gingrich's Contract for America. (Lowering the capital gains tax, for one.)

He dropped the ball on making sure everyone has health insurance, including illegal immigrants.

Made certain no American funds would help women in other countries secure an abortion if they need one.

Wouldn’t sign the land mine ban treaty.

Screwed up the Kyoto treaty so that it wouldn’t do much to reduce carbon dioxide in our air, then refused to sign it til the last day of his term (Knowing full well $hrub would nullify that anyway.)

Drilled for more oil on federal lands than even Ronnie Reagan, privatized a major California oil field, and failed to get auto manufacturers to improve the mpg of their cars.

Allowed for deregulation that has dismantled our checks and balances in our business sector. Enron, anyone??
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:16 PM
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4. He was a very good president
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 08:17 PM by fujiyama
I'd say he would be in the top 10-15 presidents of all time...probably secons or third best of the 20th century.

Ultimately, while he did a lot of good, he could have done a lot more had he been more focused, without making it easy to attack him. He should have clearly shown more restraint in his personal affairs.

I also think he rolled over a bit too much for big corporations. He signed several bills into law that were really quite bad.
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bushalert Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:16 PM
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5. Definitely Rupug-Lite
A good guy, who wouldn't fight the good fight!
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:39 PM
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66. you kidding?
Clinton did loads more to focus on antiterror than any previous President.

Clinton was a decent President...but he f*cked up way too much.
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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:19 PM
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6. Great president..
Here you make your own decision....


http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/ites/0496/ijee/ej18.htm

In 1993, President Clinton and Vice President Gore launched their economic strategy:


establishing fiscal discipline, eliminating the budget deficit, keeping interest rates low, and spurring private-sector investment;

investing in people through education, training, science, and research; and

opening foreign markets so U.S. workers can compete abroad.
After eight years, the results of President Clinton's economic leadership are clear. Record budget deficits have become record surpluses, 22 million new jobs have been created, unemployment and core inflation are at their lowest levels in more than 30 years, and the U.S. is in the midst of the longest economic expansion in our history.

http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwsbc01.shtml

President Clinton's Record on the Economy

In 1992, 10 million citizens were unemployed, the country faced record deficits, and poverty and welfare rolls were growing. Family incomes were losing ground to inflation and jobs were being created at the slowest rate since the Great Depression. Today, the U.S. enjoys what may be the strongest economy ever.


Strong Economic Growth: Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, economic growth has averaged 4% per year, compared to average growth of 2.8% during the Reagan-Bush years. The economy has grown for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.

Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: The economy has created more than 22.5 million jobs in less than eight years: the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92%, are in the private sector.

Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993: Economic gains have been made across the spectrum as family incomes increased for all citizens. Since 1993, real median family income has increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).

Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years: Overall unemployment has dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9% in 1993 to just 4$ in November, 2000. The unemployment rate has been below 5% for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans has fallen from 14.2% in 1992 to 7.3% in October 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics has fallen from 11.8% in October 1992 to 5% in October, 2000, also the lowest rate on record.

Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: Inflation is at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5%, and it is down from 4.7% during the previous administration.

Highest Homeownership Rate on Record: The homeownership rate reached 67.7% for the third quarter of 2000, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6% in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7% in the first quarter of 1993.

7 Million Fewer Citizens Living in Poverty: The poverty rate has declined from 15.1% in 1993 to 11.8% last year, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.

Establishing Fiscal Discipline and Paying Off the National Debt

President Clinton's Record on Fiscal Discipline

Between 1981 and 1992, the national debt held by the public quadrupled. The annual budget deficit grew to $290 billion in 1992, the largest ever, and was projected to grow to more than $455 billion by Fiscal Year (FY) 2000. As a result of the tough and sometimes unpopular choices made by President Clinton, and major deficit reduction legislation passed in 1993 and 1997, we have seen eight consecutive years of fiscal improvement for the first time in U.S. history.


Largest Surplus Ever: The surplus in FY 2000 is $237 billion, the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.

Largest Three-Year Debt Pay-Down Ever: Between 1998-2000, the publicly held debt was reduced by $363 billion, the largest three-year pay-down in U.S. history. Under Presidents Reagan and Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled. Under the Clinton-Gore budget, we are on track to pay off the entire publicly held debt on a net basis by 2009.

Lower Federal Government Spending: After increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy has been cut from 22.2% in 1992 to 18% in 2000, the lowest level since 1966.

Reduced Interest Payments on the Debt: In 1993, the net interest payments on the debt held by the public were projected to grow to $348 billion in FY 2000. In 2000, interest payments on the debt were $125 billion lower than projected.

Citizens Benefit from Reduced Debt: Because of fiscal discipline and deficit and debt reduction, it is estimated that a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments, like a large tax cut.

Double Digit Growth in Private Investment in Equipment and Software: Lower debt will help maintain strong economic growth and fuel private investments. With government no longer draining resources out of capital markets, private investment in equipment and software averaged 13.3% annual growth since 1993, compared to 4.7% during 1981 to 1992.
To Establish Fiscal Discipline, President Clinton:


Enacted the 1993 Deficit Reduction Plan without a Single Republican Vote. Prior to 1993, the debate over fiscal policy often revolved around a false choice between public investment and deficit reduction. The 1993 deficit reduction plan showed that deficit and debt reductions could be accomplished in a progressive way by slashing the deficit in half and making important investments in our future, including education, health care, and science and technology research. The plan included more than $500 billion in deficit reduction. It also cut taxes for 15 million of the hardest-pressed citizens by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit; created the Direct Student Loan Program; created the first nine Empowerment Zones and first 95 Enterprise Communities; and passed tax cuts for small businesses and research and development.

Negotiated the Balanced Budget Agreement of 1997. In his 1997 State of the Union address, President Clinton announced his plan to balance the budget for the first time in 27 years. Later that year, he signed the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, a major bipartisan agreement to eliminate the national budget deficit, create the conditions for economic growth, and invest in the education and health of our people. It provided middle-class tax relief with a $500 per child tax credit and the Hope Scholarship and Lifetime Learning tax credits for college. It also created the Children's Health Insurance Program to serve up to 5 million children and made landmark investments in education initiatives including educational technology, charter schools, Head Start, and Pell Grants. Finally, it added 20 more Empowerment Zones and 20 more rural Enterprise Communities, included the President's plan to revitalize the District of Columbia, and continued welfare reform though $3 billion in new resources to move welfare recipients to private-sector jobs.

Dedicated the Surplus to Save Social Security and Reduce the National Debt. In his 1998 and 1999 State of the Union addresses, President Clinton called on the nation to save the surplus until the solvency of Social Security is assured. He also repeatedly vetoed large Republican tax cut bills that would have jeopardized our nation's fiscal discipline. The President's actions led to a bipartisan consensus on saving the surplus and paying down the debt.

Extended Medicare Solvency from 1999 to 2025. When President Clinton took office, Medicare was expected to become insolvent in 1999, then only six years away. The 1993 deficit reduction act dedicated some of the taxes paid by Social Security beneficiaries to the Medicare Trust Fund and extended the life of Medicare by three years to 2002. Thanks to additional provisions to combat waste, fraud and abuse and bipartisan cooperation in the 1997 balanced budget agreement, Medicare is now expected to remain solvent until 2025.

Clinton-Gore Economic Policy Has Dramatically Improved the Economy


"My colleagues and I have been very appreciative of your support of the Fed over the years, and your commitment to fiscal discipline has been instrumental in achieving what in a few weeks will be the longest economic expansion in the nation's history."

Alan Greenspan,
Federal Reserve Board Chairman,
January 4, 2000,
at Chairman Greenspan's re-nomination announcement

"The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits."

Paul Volcker,
Federal Reserve Board Chairman (1979-1987),
in Audacity, Fall, 1994

One of the reasons Goldman Sachs cites for the "best economy ever" is that "on the policy side, trade, fiscal, and monetary policies have been excellent, working in ways that have facilitated growth without inflation. The Clinton Administration has worked to liberalize trade and has used any revenue windfalls to reduce the federal budget deficit."

Goldman Sachs, March, 1998

"Clinton's 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity."
Business Week, May 19, 1997

Opening World Markets to U.S. Goods and Providing Leadership on Globalization

President Clinton's Record on Trade and Globalization

In 1992, 10 million citizens were unemployed, new job creation was slow, and wages were stagnant. Other nations' high trade barriers limited the ability of U.S. businesses and farmers to sell their goods abroad and hampered economic recovery. Our trade policies failed to reflect our values by failing to take into account the responsibility to protect our environment, eliminate child labor and sweatshops, and protect the rights of workers around the world. But today:


300 Trade Agreements: President Clinton has opened markets for U.S. exports abroad and created U.S. jobs through nearly 300 free and fair trade agreements.

The Most U.S. Exports Ever: Between 1992 and 2000, U.S. exports of goods and services grew by 74%, or nearly $500 billion, to top $1 trillion for the first time.

1.4 Million More Jobs due to Exports: Jobs supported by U.S. exports grew by 1.4 million between 1994 and 1998, with jobs supported by exports paying about 13% to 16% above the U.S. national average. Jobs related to goods exports pay, on average, 13% to 16% higher than other jobs.

Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: Inflation is at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, in part because global competition has kept prices low. It has averaged 2.5% under this Administration, down from 4.6% during the previous administration.

To Create Trade Opportunities and Expand the Benefits of Globalization, President Clinton:


Won Ratification of the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) in 1993, creating the world's largest free trade zone of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. U.S. exports to Mexico grew 109% from 1993 to 1999, while exports to the rest of the world grew by 49%.

Won Approval of Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. In 2000, Congress ratified permanent normal trade relations with China. The agreement will integrate China into the world economy through entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO), open Chinese market to U.S. exports, slash Chinese tariffs, and protect U.S. workers and companies against dumping.

Successfully Completed the Uruguay Round. The 1994 Uruguay Round transformed the world trading system, opening markets in a wide range of industries, enabling the U.S. to enforce agreements more effectively, and applying the rules for the first time to all WTO members (now 138 in total).

Fought for the First-Ever African and the Caribbean Basin Trade Bills. The African Growth and Opportunity Act of 2000 will support increased trade and investment between the United States and Africa, strengthen African economies and democratic governments, and increase partnerships to counter terrorism, crime, environmental degradation and disease. The legislation will also create incentives for the countries of sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean Basin to continue reforming their economies.

Promoted Trade Opportunities for High Technology. The Clinton Administration completed series of trade agreements on technology, including the WTO's commitment to duty-free cyberspace, keeping the Internet free of trade barriers, in 1998; the global WTO agreements on Financial Services and Basic Telecommunications in 1997; the global WTO agreement on Information Technology in 1996; and a series of bilateral agreements on intellectual property, high-tech products, services and other sectors. These efforts are the building blocks of the New Economy.

Secured Historic Debt Relief. In March 1999, President Clinton presented a plan to a U.S.-Africa Summit in Washington that became the basis for the G-7 agreement in Cologne, Germany (known as the Cologne Debt Initiative). The plan would triple the amount of debt relief available for poor countries, reducing their debt by about 70% ($90 billion), in return for firm commitments to channel the benefits into improving the lives of all their people. In September 1999, the President announced that the U.S. would unilaterally exceed the terms of the G-7 initiative and entirely cancel the $5.7 billion in U.S. Government debt owed by qualifying countries. In November 2000, President Clinton won $435 million from Congress for U.S. participation in the Cologne Initiative.

Dramatically Expanded U.S. Efforts to Fight Child Labor and Expand Basic Education. In June 1999, the President traveled to the International Labor Organization (ILO) conference in Geneva, Switzerland, to urge adoption of an historic international convention banning the worst forms of child labor. He won $30 million for ILO enforcement of child labor laws and is fighting for a new initiative to promote basic education in areas of the world where child labor is widespread. In 2000, at U.S. urging, the G-8 countries endorsed the goal of universal basic education. President Clinton brought other issues to the forefront of the international economic agenda, including incorporating labor and environmental considerations in the work of major international economic institutions, increasing U.S. support for global efforts to fight HIV-AIDS and infectious diseases, and closing the digital divide.

Defused International Economic Crises. In 1995, after Congress refused to act, President Clinton made $20 billion in emergency loans to Mexico to stabilize the country's financial markets. Mexico repaid the loans in full, with interest, three years ahead of schedule. Following the Asian and Russian financial crises in 1997 and 1998, the Clinton-Gore Administration led a global effort to re-capitalize the International Monetary Fund to allow it to more effectively deal with these problems. President Clinton also insisted that the G-7 develop a set of measures to restore confidence in the world financial system.

Promoted U.S. Competitiveness. The Clinton-Gore Administration has made key investments in education and training for U.S. workers and research and development. It has also maintained federal fiscal discipline, helping to reduce interest rates, encourage private-sector investment, and keep productivity high.

Rewarding Work and Empowering Communities

President Clinton's Record on Rewarding Work:

In 1992, unemployment reached 7.5%, the highest level in eight years. Unemployment and poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanics were alarming: unemployment reached 14.2% for African Americans and 11.8% for Hispanics, and poverty rates for both groups were nearly 30%. But today:


Higher Incomes at All Levels: After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower-income families, all income brackets have experienced double-digit income growth since 1993. The bottom 20% saw the largest income growth at 16.3%.

Lowest Poverty Rate in 20 Years: Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1% to 11.8% last year, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993. The child poverty rate has declined more than 25%, the poverty rate for single mothers is the lowest ever, the African American and elderly poverty rates dropped to their lowest level on record, and the Hispanic poverty rate dropped to its lowest level since 1979.

Lowest Poverty Rate for Single Mothers on Record: Under President Clinton, the poverty rate for families with single mothers has fallen from 46.1% in 1993 to 35.7% in 1999, the lowest level on record. Between 1980 and 1992, an additional 2.1 million households headed by single women were pushed into poverty.

Smallest Welfare Rolls Since 1969: Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, the welfare rolls have dropped dramatically and are now the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 billion (a 53% decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22% increase) to 13.6 million people.

To Help All Citizens Benefit from Prosperity, President Clinton:


Ended Welfare as We Knew It. In 1996, President Clinton signed legislation requiring welfare recipients to work, limiting the time they can stay on welfare, and providing child care and health care to help them begin work. It also enacted tough new child support enforcement measures proposed by the President. In 1997, President Clinton won the welfare-to-work tax credit to encourage employers to hire long-term welfare recipients and $3 billion in additional resources to help communities move long-term welfare recipients into lasting, unsubsidized jobs.

Rewarded Work by Expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit. In 1993, President Clinton succeeded in winning passage of an expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), giving a tax cut to 15 million of the hardest-pressed U.S. workers. In 1999, the EITC lifted 4.1 million people out of poverty, nearly double the number lifted out of poverty by the EITC in 1993.

Created Empowerment Zones. The 1993 Clinton-Gore economic plan created nine Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities to spur local community planning and economic growth in distressed communities through tax incentives and federal investment. The President won expansions of the program in 1994, 1997, and again in 2000. To date, the 31 Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities have leveraged over $10 billion in new private sector investment, creating thousands of new jobs for local residents.

Created Community Development Financial Institutions. In September 1994, the President signed legislation creating the Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFI) Fund, a Clinton campaign proposal to support specialized financial institutions serving often-overlooked customers and communities. The Fund has certified over 400 CDFIs. It has provided over $427 million to match investments in CDFIs and to encourage traditional financial institutions to increase their lending, investment and services in under-served markets.

Strengthened the Community Reinvestment Act. In 1995, the Administration updated the Community Reinvestment Act regulations to focus on banks' actual service delivery, rather than on compliance efforts. From 1993 to 1998, lenders subject to the law increased mortgage lending to low- and moderate-income families by 80%, more than twice the rate they increased mortgage lending to other income groups.

Encouraged Investment in New Markets. In 1999, the President went on two historic "New Markets" trips to highlight the continuing need to bring investment to impoverished inner cities, rural communities and Native American tribal lands. In 2000, the President and Congress worked together to pass this bipartisan initiative to stimulate new private capital investments in economically distressed communities and build network of private investment institutions to funnel credit, equity and technical assistance to businesses in U.S. new markets.

Raised the Minimum Wage. In 1996, President Clinton and Vice President Gore fought for and won a 90-cent per hour increase in the minimum wage, helping 10 million workers.

Helped People with Disabilities Work. In 1999, President Clinton insisted that Congress pass the Work Incentives Improvement Act as a condition of the budget agreement. This bipartisan law allows people with disabilities to maintain their Medicare or Medicaid coverage when they work.

Modernizing for the New Economy through Technology and Consensus Deregulation

To Capitalize on the Information Technology Revolution, President Clinton and Vice President Gore Have:


Modernized Financial Services Laws. In 1993, the laws that governed the U.S. financial service sector were antiquated and anti-competitive. The Clinton-Gore Administration fought to modernize those laws to increase competition in traditional banking, insurance, and securities industries to give consumers and small businesses more choices and lower costs. In 1994, the Clinton-Gore Administration broke another decades-old logjam by allowing banks to branch across state lines in the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994. President Clinton fought for and won financial modernization legislation, signing the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in November, 1999.

Reformed Telecommunications. In 1996, President Clinton signed legislation to open up competition between local telephone companies, long distance providers and cable companies. The law also requires the use of new V-chip technology to give families greater control over which television programming comes into their homes.

Created the E-Rate. With the leadership of Vice President Gore, the Telecommunications Act contained the E-Rate initiative, which provides low-cost Internet connections for schools, libraries, rural health clinics and hospitals. More than 80% of U.S. public schools have benefited from the E-rate, which has helped connect 30 million children and up to 47,000 schools and libraries to the Internet. The percentage of public schools connected to the Internet has increased from 35% in 1994 to 95% in 1999. The percentage of classrooms connected to the Internet has increased from 3% in 1994 to 63% in 1999.

Increased Resources for Educational Technology by Over 3,000%. President Clinton and Vice President Gore increased our investment in educational technology by over 3,000 percent, from $23 million in FY 1994 to $769 million in FY 2000, including training over 600,000 new teachers to use technology effectively in the classroom.

Paved the Way for Electronic Commerce. President Clinton fought to eliminate legal barriers to using electronic technology to form and sign contracts, collect and store documents, and send and receive notices and disclosures, while ensuring that consumers on-line have the same protections that they have in the paper world. He signed the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act on June 30, 2000.

Creating Market Opportunities for Technology Firms. The Clinton-Gore Administration adopted a market-led approach on e-commerce, making spectrum available for digital wireless, and reforming Cold War export controls.

Worked to Close the Digital Divide. Since 1992, the President and Vice President have tripled funding for Community Technology Centers, which provide access to computers and the Internet to low-income urban and rural neighborhoods. President Clinton also challenged the private sector to develop new business models for low-cost computers and Internet access to make universal access at home affordable for all U.S. citizens. The Technology Literacy Challenge Fund has provided $1 billion in federal resources to help schools work with businesses and community organizations to put modern computers, high-quality educational software, and affordable connections to the Internet in every classroom. The Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 created a temporary tax deduction for donations of computers to elementary and secondary schools.

Forged Trade Agreements on High Technology. The Clinton Administration completed series of trade agreements on technology, including the WTO's commitment to duty-free cyberspace, keeping the Internet free of trade barriers, in 1998; the global WTO agreements on Financial Services and Basic Telecommunications in 1997; the global WTO agreement on Information Technology in 1996; and a series of bilateral agreements on intellectual property, high-tech products, services and other sectors; all soon to be capped by the opening of a major networked economy initiative.

Investing in Educating and Training the People

President Clinton's Record on Investing in Citizens:


More Citizens are Enrolling in College: 66% of 1998 high school graduates enrolled in college or trade school the next fall, compared to 60% in 1990.

More High School Students are Preparing for College: The percentage of high school graduates who have taken four years of English and three years each of math, science, and social studies increased from 38% to 55% between 1990 and 1998. Research shows that high-quality academics in high school is key to college success.

More Citizens are Earning College Degrees: Over 32% of 25- to 29-year-old high school graduates had earned at least a bachelor's degree in 1999, up from 27% in 1990. In particular, white and African American women have seen their college opportunities grow.

U.S. Citizens are Becoming Lifelong Learners: 50% of adults participated in formal learning in the year prior to a 1999 survey, up from 38% in 1991.

To Provide Citizens with More, Higher-Quality Education and Training, President Clinton:


Created the College Tax Credits, the Largest Single Investment in Higher Education since the G.I. Bill. A $1,500 tax credit for the first two years of college, the Hope Scholarship will pay for nearly all of a typical community college's tuition and fees. The $1,000 Lifetime Learning Tax Credit reimburses families for 20% of their tuition and fees (up to $5,000 per family) for college, graduate study, or job training. Starting in 2003, the credit will reimburse families for 20% of their costs up to $10,000, for a maximum value of $2,000. This year, 10 million U.S. families will save over $7 billion through the college tax credits.

Doubled Student Financial Aid. Students will receive over $50 billion in federal grants, loans, and work-study aid this year, up from $25 billion in 1993. President Clinton has consistently supported budget increases for Pell Grants; this year, over 3.8 million needy students receive a Pell Grant scholarship of up to $3,300, a $1,000 larger maximum grant than in 1993. The President won another increase for Pell Grants in the FY 2001 budget, bringing the maximum grant to $3,750. The President also won increases in work-study funding to help one million students pay for college.

Created Direct Student Loans and Reduced Interest Rates. In the Student Loan Reform Act of 1993, President Clinton won the Direct Student Loan program to improve customer service and compete with guaranteed lenders. It has saved taxpayers over $4 billion so far by eliminating lender subsidies. President Clinton also fought to reduce interest rates and fees in the Student Loan Reform Act of 1993 and the Higher Education Amendments of 1998. As a result, students can expect to pay $1,300 less in interest and fees for the average $10,000 loan than they would have in 1992. The student loan default rate is now 6.9%, down from 22.4% eight years ago.

Created New Paths to College through GEAR UP, AmeriCorps, and TRIO. President Clinton won the new GEAR UP initiative in the Higher Education Amendments of 1998 which is already helping 700,000 low-income middle school students prepare for college. Over 150,000 citizens have earned money for college while serving their communities through President Clinton's AmeriCorps program, a campaign promise enacted in 1993. To help disadvantaged youth prepare for and succeed in college, the TRIO programs have grown by $342 million over the past eight years.

Strengthened Elementary and Secondary Education. In 1994, President Clinton reformed federal education initiatives in the Improving America's Schools Act and the Goals 2000 Act. The President's new approach was grounded in the principles that all students should meet high academic standards and the federal government should make new investments to help them meet those standards. The President has also fought to hire 100,000 teachers, promote educational technology, support charter schools, build K-16 partnerships, and focus on early reading through America Reads.

Passed the Workforce Investment Act of 1998. In 1992, President Clinton and Vice President Gore proposed to streamline and bring greater accountability to our nation's job training system. In 1998, they won legislation to meet the needs of both U.S. workers and businesses by encouraging local control of training and employment programs; helping customers locate assistance through one-stop centers; and empower adults to receive the training they need.

Reducing Tax Burdens for Average and Hard-Pressed Working Families

The Clinton Record on Reducing Taxes for Working Families:


Lowest Federal Income Tax Burden in 35 Years: Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.

Higher Incomes Even After Taxes and Inflation: Real after-tax incomes have grown for U.S. citizens at all income levels, much faster than they did prior to the Clinton-Gore Administration. Real after-tax incomes grew by an average of 2.6% per year for the lower-income half of taxpayers between 1993 and 1997, while growing by an average of 1% between 1981 and 1993.

To Cut Taxes for Workers, President Clinton:


Expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit. In 1993, President Clinton succeeded in expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit, giving a tax cut to 15 million of the hardest-pressed U.S. workers. In 1999, the EITC lifted 4.1 million people out of poverty, nearly double the number lifted out of poverty by the EITC in 1993.

Created the $500 per Child Tax Credit. In 1997, President Clinton secured a $500 per child tax credit for 27 million families with children under 17, including 13 million children from families with incomes below $30,000.

Won the Hope Scholarship Tax Credit. President Clinton proposed tax credits for college tuition in 1996 and signed them into law in 1997 as part of the balanced budget agreement. The Hope Scholarship provides a tax credit of up to $1,500 for tuition and fees for the first two years of college, roughly equal to the cost of the average community college. It will save U.S. families $4.9 billion this year.

Won the Lifetime Learning Tax Credit. Also enacted in 1997, the Lifetime Learning tax credit provides a 20% tax credit on $5,000 of tuition and fees (to be raised to $10,000 in 2003) for college and graduate students and adults taking job training. It will reduce the cost of college and job training for U.S. families by $2.4 billion this year.

Established Education IRAs. The 1997 balanced budget agreement also created Education IRAs. For each child under age 18, families may now deposit $500 per year into an Education IRA in the child's name. Earnings in the Education IRA accumulate tax-free and no taxes will be due upon withdrawal if the money is used to pay for college. The law also allowed taxpayers to withdraw funds from a traditional IRA without penalty to pay for higher education for themselves or their spouse, child, or even grandchild.

Created Empowerment Zones. President Clinton created Empowerment Zones and Enterprise Communities in 1993 and expanded them in 1994, 1997 and again in 2000 to spur economic growth in distressed communities through tax incentives and federal investment. To date, the 31 Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities have leveraged over $10 billion in new private sector investment, creating thousands of new jobs for local residents.

Simplified Pension Rules. In 1996, President Clinton signed the SIMPLE (Savings Incentive Match Plan for Employees) plan into law, simplifying and expanding retirement plan coverage for small businesses.

Simplified Tax Laws and Protected Taxpayer Rights. President Clinton signed the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 to simplify the tax laws and enhance taxpayers' rights. The law has saved families and businesses millions of hours be simplifying and reducing paperwork, such as allowing a tax exclusion for income from the sale of a home.

Closed Tax Loopholes. To ensure that all taxpayers pay their fair share, the Clinton Administration addressed the use and proliferation of corporate tax shelters by proposing several remedies to curb the growth of such shelters by increasing disclosure of sheltering activities, increasing and strengthening the substantial understatement penalty, codifying the judicially-created economic substance doctrine, and providing consequences to all parties involved in an abusive sheltering transaction.



other sites that may be o interest to you.


http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/199911/...

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,96140-2,00.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

http://www.americanpresident.org/history/billclinton /

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton /

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/clinton /

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/states/states.ht...

http://www.clintonpresidentialcenter.com/images/record_of_accomplishme...

http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/10/tomasky-m.html

http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/repub.htm


http://treas.gov/press/releases/ls241.htm
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:25 PM
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Finbar Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:08 AM
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53. Hey, I was gonna say that!!!!!!
Just look at the 1st paragraph from the Bio Line from the White House site, and compare it with other President's.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:58 AM
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56. Hi Finbar!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Finbar Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 12:51 PM
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57. Thanks!!!
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:20 PM
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8. The greatest President of my lifetime!
I was born in December of 1963.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:53 PM
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30. I agree.
That fact he did as well as he did despite 8 years of non-stop political crucifixion is just further kudos.

And yes he had a stupid, adulterous affair, and then compounded that mistake my attempting to cover it up, then "misspoke" about it. IMHO the affair is a problem between him and his wife, and the impeachment without being kicked out of office was punishment for being dragged down by 8 years of witchhunt.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:23 PM
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9. If your gonna bash Clinton....
Just imagine Daddy Bush winning in 1992 against a more liberal type *Flash backs of Dukucks saying "I'm, um, against the death penalty"* Or Dole in 1996. Can you imagine a president that also does Viagra Commercials? Com'on guys, he made major mistakes but he was a pretty dang good president.
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:29 PM
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16. His biggest mistake was getting caught!
We all have our addictions and ways to handle stress, some Presidents drink, Clinton liked ,well you know.... But in getting caught he was un-able to do what was needed without being hounded by the republican attack dogs, like the cruise missile attacks being called a distraction from monicagate.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:03 PM
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42. As far as mistakes I don't care about that, I was talking more about...
NAFTA and such... you know things that actually matter.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 07:26 PM
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60. Clinton was setup...
remember Linda Tripp, the scumbag that the freepers make collections for, their buddy partner in crime. Clinton's been hounded from way back..Wonder why--B U S H. Clinton held up their plan to do what they're continuing today. Both Bill and Hillary are two dynamite people, and that's why they're worried about Hillary. Hillary's no fool and she's proven herself. Try to compare Pickles and Hillary--no match. Time to put Pickles back into her regular clothes, shit upholstery fabric so she's more comfortable!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:32 PM
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19. I would have voted for him but I dont approve of
NAFTA, DOMA, welfare reform, etc. Still I would have voted for him, I am a far left yellow dog lol.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:04 PM
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44. I agree
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:23 PM
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10. thpppppt.
Mediocre eight-year intermission in a 24-year avalanche of conservative shit.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:25 PM
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12. It would seem to me that the people who don't like Clinton
Must very well approve of Bush.
:shrug:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:27 PM
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13. its not that
I admit I am no fan of him, DOMA, NAFTA, welfare "reform", the kosovo war, I would have voted for him tho even if he was too far right for me. I didnt support Nader in 2K though.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:09 PM
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45. Would you have voted for him if you were depending on welfare to live?
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:30 PM
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17. erm,
no.
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:32 PM
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18. Thats the same logic I hear
From people who say "If you don't support the War you hate the soldiers" You can disagree with Clintons policies and some of his actions yet still disapprove of Bush.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:33 PM
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21. now that's logic on a par with, well....
Flat Earth? I'm struggling for a metaphor that expresses the breadth of ignorance that comment encompasses.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:47 PM
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26. Allow me.
"If you don't like piss then you must like shit."

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:55 PM
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32. LOL....
Gee, who could argue with that?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:33 PM
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40. Sums it up nicely, I think. nt
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 08:24 AM
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51. the breadth is vast...n/t
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:42 PM
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25. There are policies that Clinton had I didn't like
Don't ask, don't tell comes to mind, as well as DOMA.

The fact remains you have a choice of Regannomics, Bush1nomics, Clintonnomics or *2nomics.

It is safe to assume that Clinton is the best President in recent History! (25 years)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:48 PM
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27. I'll take the clintonomics but I didnt like a lot of what he did
I agree, the best in 25 years. I would have voted for him but I didnt like a lot.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:49 PM
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28. no.
The fact remains you have a choice of Regannomics, Bush1nomics, Clintonnomics or *2nomics.

No. There's a whole constellation of "nomicses" out there from which to choose.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:50 PM
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29. And what might our choices be right now?
eom
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:54 PM
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31. Bush and Kerry.
We know the "nomics" of the former, and the latter is, for the most part, an unknown quantity. Are you saying that Kerry is somehow bound to Clinton's economic policy? One would hope not, seeing as how there's no new tech boom on the horizon.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:57 PM
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33. How does that fit in with
"No. There's a whole constellation of "nomicses" out there from which to choose."
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:02 PM
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34. I wasn't being clear, I'll admit.
My apologies. Your statement was that our only option is between Clintonomics and some variety of GOP economic strategy, which is only true if Kerry is, in fact, somehow chained to Clintonomics - and again, if he is, it is to our detriment. As to the constellation thing, I had more in mind our wider options beyond the November election and the presidency in general.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:05 PM
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35. Thank you for clearing that up.
Actually my statement is how the Economy was during the Presidencies of these men. & Yes then I would take Clintonnomics.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:14 PM
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37. and thanks in return.
I'd misunderstood you. As I understand your point now, it's essentially the economic arm of the "less bad" generality which, while true as far as it goes, isn't exactly what we'd like (I hope, anyway) to establish as "the best we can do". A lot of folks at the bottom got well and truly fucked during the Clinton years.

Being satisfied with simply being better than the GOP is like being satisfied with having diabetes instead of cancer. We have to do more, and Clinton didn't.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:31 PM
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39. Hardly a **shit or Clinton fan, either way.
Held my nose both times voting for the BigDog, but he strengthened the economy and paid a respectable amount of attention to brokering a peace in the Middle East.

DU is a wide spectrum of those left of center, from the socialist to social liberals/fiscal conservatives.

Two brushstrokes just won't do.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:28 AM
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72. I dont like DLC DEMS which CLinton is
that doesnt mean I like Bush. to follow your line of thinking you could say that if you are against Bush you support terrorism .
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:40 AM
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74. pretty simple minded
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:57 PM
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85. O for the love of sanity
This pathological inability to accept that people's opinions vary on any number of topics lends you no credibility whatsoever. Can it be possible that you cannot grasp such an elementary idea as this; opposing your personal political views does not make one a republican....

Clinton couldnt keep his dick in his pants while being charged with running the nation, this lends itself to a certain negativity towards him. Also his favoring of NAFTA and GATT do so as well, but with a different type of person, as does his decision to throw folks off welfare without any job training, child care assistance, etc.

On balance he left the nation with a surplus and full employment but was too soft on terrorism, though who knew where that would lead?

My biggest criticism of Bill is simply that he is responsible for the DLC and the ineffectiveness of the dmeocratic party since that organisation took over., that and the fact that he didnt campaign for Gore (but which one chose that is unknown to me)....
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:28 PM
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14. mixed feelings....
Good domestic policies in general, some truely aweful foreign policies, and generally bad where the two intersect, e.g. global trade agreements. Clinton's sexual escapades were never the least bit interesting, IMO. I don't care if he bent interns over the oval office desk, as long as it was consensual and a good time was had by all. In retrospect, I think Clinton was a flawed, but generally good president.

Increasingly, I've begun to apply the same criticism I've focused on the GOP and Bush to the Democratic party: Was this the best they (we) could do? I certainly hope not. If it is, we're f*cked. Sometimes slowly and seductively, sometimes ugly and uncaring, but the ultimate outcome is the same.

It is time to start looking for a new vision in American politics. Not another big dog, and gawd almighty not another dumbya.
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talkingrain Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:32 PM
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20. To: Mike_C
Thanks! My feelings exactly!
I now know the words to express my thoughts! BINGO!!!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:29 PM
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15. Missed one.
Great president who could have been so much more if the repugs could have stayed out of his paints? $74,000,000 for a blue dress anyone?
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:35 PM
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22. Flawed president
Bill Clinton was a brilliant politician but this is also why he was less than a great president. I don't so much fault him for being Repug lite as I fault him for coming up short in creating an enduring vision for this nation.

No doubt he was under relentless assault by the right wing and he had to play politics to survive, but his character flaws (whether or not they should have been the object of national preoccupation) created a legacy that overshadowed his accomplishments. It also may have tipped the balance to GW Bush in 2000, which is the worst legacy of all.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:36 PM
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24. he coulda' been one of our 5 greatest presidents, but someone blew it
smart and savy, a true american son who held in himself america's best promises and ideals, yet thru personal flaws allowed much of his legacy to be dismantled.

perhaps only shakespeare could think up a character like bill clinton, and use him as a study on the human condition.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:07 PM
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69. amen
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:08 PM
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36. He was a centrist
at a time when we needed a centrist.
A brilliant communicator, and on top of
the job, he provides a foil against which
Dubya looks like a runny turd.

But his otherwise brilliant career will be marred
in the views of historians, not by Monica, but by
NAFTA.

We now need a progressive, and we need one badly.
I hope that at the least, we have one as our Veep.
Kerry seems closer to the center than Bush, of course.
But I really would prefer an equally radical shift
to the left relative to where we are now, if not
in absolute terms.

Will I vote for Kerry if he is nominated...
Yo Damn Skippy!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:25 PM
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38. Woulda, coulda, shoulda--
I lost most of my respect for him over welfare "reform"--what a miserable idea for which we may never recover.
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balanced Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:37 PM
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41. Flawed for sure.
It was not so much is dick, but his loyalty to those around him. Betty Curry was hung out to dry. Not a moral highlight.

However, as president, he was unparalleled in economics. Four years of unemployment in the 4% range. Remarkable. We won't see that again for a long time.

And what about economic growth while at the same time reducing the deficit? Absolutely remarkable. We won't see that again for a long time.

And Senator Clinton, during her time as health-care czar, formulated some plans that are now in law--albeit, distorted by the republicans.
Prescription drug care for medicare participants is one. Home health care is another.

Kosovo was bad, but it wasn't the disaster that Iraq is, mainly because Clinton (1) got a good coalition together and (2) ignored the military advice to rely on a large presence of ground troops.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:03 PM
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43. His legacy sucks!
But I didn't mind 8 years of relative peace and prosperity.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:16 PM
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46. I miss him every day.
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MonicaR Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:22 PM
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47. To African-Americans Like Myself
Clinton ranks with LBJ,FDR,and Truman as the greatest Democratic Presidents of all time.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:35 PM
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89. Hey Monica
I feel the same way and I am white as a sheet of paper. :D
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:42 PM
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48. Bernie Ward - KGO (San Francisco) Talk Show Host...
said it best. Went something like: "It's better to be Bill Clinton's enemy than his friend. He'll try like *$& to make you like him if you're his enemy but he'll throw you overboard if you're his friend"

Brilliant man, brilliant politician, good President - bad policies.

But I miss the Big Dog.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:59 PM
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49. Clinton was basically repub lite on many issues

Still, he was a million times better than what we have now.


I'm pissed at him for allowing what has happened to the media with that 1996 deregulation bill.

What specifics of the welfare reform were damaging to poor people?


Again, I rest my case: repub lite.


Gore and Kerry are much more preferable to Clinton, so let's make sure Kerry is elected.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 02:28 AM
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50. did what he could with the hand he was dealt
he tried to pass liberal programs in his first half of his first term and got the republican revolution. Since then, I don't blame him for playing centrist... it's not like he could do much else anyways.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:07 AM
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52. Clinton's legacy:
during Clinton's administration, the Democrats lost:
- 48 seats in the House
- 8 seats in the Senate
- 11 governorships
- 1,254 state legislative seats
- Control of 9 legislatures
In addition 439 elected Democrats had joined the Republican Party while only three Republican officeholders had gone the other way.
While Democrats had been losing state legislative seats on the state level for 25 years, the loss during the Clinton years was striking. In 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November 2000, the Republicans controlled one more than the Democrats. It was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968). Among other things, this gave the Republican more control over redistricting.
In fact, no Democratic president since the 19th century suffered such an electoral disintegration of his party as did Clinton.

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zoeyfong Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:52 PM
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88. I blame that more on Democrats as a whole; they didn't stand up
in the face of the non-stop, red-faced, liberal-bashing slander coming from the Rush Limbaugh types on the right. The mud was thrown, and dems did not throw it back, or even dodge it. Instead, they denied they were liberals, and ran away from traditional democratic positions with their tails between their legs. Not exactly a picture that would inspire a lot of people to join the democratic party.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:11 AM
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54. Best Republican president we've had
Sadly though, he was supposed to be a Democrat.

I don't give a rat's ass about Monica, or whoever else he was schtupping on the side, that is between him and Hillary. My beef against him is that while he mouthed pious Dem platitudes, talking the good Dem talk, he legislated like a 'Pug. NAFTA, '96 Telecom Act, DOMA, welfare "reform", the list goes on and on. Yet when it came to liberal programs, sure, he mouthed pious liberal phrases, but he didn't put his power behind them. For instance, gays in the military. He ran up a trial balloon, yet when the going got rough, he backed off, and in fact made the situation worse with "Don't ask, don't tell". Compare that to Truman integrating the armed services. The tide of public and military opinion was against that too. Yet Truman backed it to the hilt and pushed it through. Clinton should have that kind of spine. Instead, he caved, as he also did on his weakened health proposal.

The Clinton presidency was also a sham economically. Yes the stock market went up, but few people beyond the upper percentiles truly benefitted from that. Most of us watched as the gap between the rich and the rest of us widened to a chasm. Watched as our real world wages went down. Watched as the class of people known as the working poor first came into being, and then watched as those numbers skyrocketed.

All in all, Clinton was a placeholder president. While this country didn't go over the edge under his watched, we continued to approach it, albeit at a slower pace. All in all, he was simply another corpororate whore, out to please his corporate masters. And we have paid a price for that.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:26 AM
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62. I'd like someone to articulate why welfare reform was bad
Personally, I'm all for public assitance, especially to single parents. My belief is anyone who legitamately needs it should get it. But what about people who don't need it for whatever reason, should they be taking money from those who do?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:15 AM
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63. Sorry, but the vast overwhelming majority of people who take welfare,
Need it.

The federal government spends 8/10s of one percent of the annual federal budget on welfare programs. Hell, more money is spent on one stealth fighter than what is spent on welfare in a year.

Contrary to popular belief and myth, very few people are on welfare because they're trying to cheat they system, or to live their life without having to work. If I remember right, the average stay on welfare is aprox. three months.

Clinton's welfare to work plan was wrong headed in two ways. First there was the assumption that jobs would always be available. Proposed and passed during the go go ninties when jobs were plentiful, the sad truth is that when the economy went south, jobs were unavailable and those who were required to work for their benefits got those benefits yanked when they most needed them.

Secondly, it can screw members of the working poor, those who don't receive welfare. This is done by the government subsidizing the pay of a low skill, low paying job. Since the employer in these types of jobs sees his payroll shrink, he hires more welfare to work recipients rather than the working poor who would normally get the job.

Face it, our country and economy is so big that there is always going to be a group of people who are on welfare or are unemployed. Rather than punishing them and ripping away the social safety net, instead help them become better, productive citizens. People don't want to be on welfare, but they do want it to be in place in case they need it.
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balanced Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:07 AM
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77. What do you mean by "sham economically?"
You said: "The Clinton presidency was also a sham economically."

However, under Clinton, we had four straight years of unemployment in the 4% area not to mention the creation of millions of jobs. Under Clinton, we had declining deficits and economic growth.

Obviously, we cannot draw cause-effect conclusions as regards economic policies and outcomes. There are no scientific laws or generalizations of economics or human behavior. We have no "periodic table" of economics or human behavior.

But the things that happened under Clinton hadn't happened for decades. And remember the republican predecessors. Under Reagan, Bush's father, and Bush, we had high, high deficits. Unemployment never got into the 4% area.

Hardly a sham.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:02 PM
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83. Sure it was
Jobs: With the advent of NAFTA and other "free trade" programs, well paying manufacturing jobs, and towards the end of his term, high tech jobs, were outsourced overseas. So while these people were able to find other jobs, they didn't pay as well. People who were formerly making $15.00-$30.00/hr in manufacturing or high tech instead wound up having to work two jobs making $6.00-$8.00/hr.

Wealth Gap: Under Clinton, the gap between the rich and the rest of us opened up to a record breaking chasm. The vaunted stock market boom for the most part benefitted the upper classes only. There was no trickle down benefit for those in the middle and lower classes, and not that much of a benefit for those in the upper middle class.

Real world income: Real world income(income with inflation factored in) has been dropping for decades now, but under Clinton it took a nose dive. Now instead of both parents barely keeping their heads above water with each working a full time job, now at least one, possibly both, had to take on an additional part time job in order to keep above water.

Working Poor: The working poor in this country went from a novelty at 2.4 million in 1993, to a noticable part of American life at 10.4 million in 2000. In the land of plenty, during a supposed boom economy, this is a crime.

The deficit: While Clinton did lower the deficit, a lot of his projected surplus was just that, projected. With reccession clouds on the horizon, Clinton surplus depended on the economy to keep roaring on. But realistically it couldn't, especially with jobs being outsourced or taken over by lower paid H-1B visa workers. With those two manuevers Clinton virtually assured that a bust would come, and sure enough it did.

For a better, more detailed examination of Clinton's smoke and mirrors economy, check out Kevin Phillip's "Wealth and Democracy". A very well done book, with some startling facts.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:22 AM
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55. A missed opportunity
Clinton was a brilliant politician and a good policymaker. However, he did very little, I feel, that will have a lasting impact besides NAFTA, welfare reform, and telecommunications deregulation. And those were Republican positions at heart. In other words, he did nothing truly bold for progressive politics.

Look at it this way, we are still dealing with Reagan's legacy 16 years after he left office - in the tax code, in union and labor law, in criminal law, and in the military appropriations. I just don't see that with Clinton.

What Clinton did was manage the country very very well for 8 years. He was basically a very strong CEO who made record profits but did very little to revolutionize his industry.

And the sleaze eventually wore me out.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 04:05 PM
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58. A sad excursion into lost opportunities
and personal failures. An extremely gifted man whose immaturity cost him the opportunity of being one of our greatest presidents.
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tomorrowsashes Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 06:59 PM
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59. He was terrible
In my opinion, Clinton was one of the most damaging presidents in this country's history. He sold out any progressive aspects left in the democratic party, and turned it into the same thing as the republican party, allowing the republican party to turn into the neofascist party. He supported NAFTA, the WTO, World Bank, FTAA, and other economic policies of that kind that we will be paying the price of for years. He caused the deaths of millions of innocents with sanctions on Iraq, which he also bombed, Cuba, and other countries, knowing full well that sanctions only hurt the poor, while giving the dictators more leverage. He bought into pressure to not pardon Leonard Peltier, but did manage to pardon his millionaire buddy Marc Rich. The "economic boom" under his watch wasn't really indicative of a healthy economy. While the rich had gotten richer, the median wage of the country's workers did not go up a bit. An economy like that cannot be expected to survive long.
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 11:39 PM
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61. Mixed Dem party took all the wrong lessons from his success
The welfare reform stuff is the real sham. The reason I want to just get in Clinton's face and scream.

Kind of mixed feelings about NAFTA:

Tend to blame tax breaks to corps for jobs more than NAFTA for outsourced jobs but if the rich protect their own with tariffs how the hell can the other countries get in but it really leads to more big nation big corporation plundering of 3rd world ... Arrrgh!!!

Tend to blame a large group of turncoat Dems for the healthcare debacle as oppossed to Clinton.

Centrist he is the poster boy of the DLC and they took all the wrong lessons.

There are only three issues the American left has to moderate on. If you moderate on these three issues you can go completely out there left on everything else:

a) gun control -- gun safety bans on military style weapons but no handgun bans.

b) death penalty -- sorry you get painted as a wuss if you are not eye for an eye.

c) military -- you can cut spending, close bases and trim military (Clinton had to do a bit of all of this to balance the budget) but you never talk about the military as anything else except #1.

I said it. As you moderate on the above (are you a wimp?) issues you can totally out in left field and play like hell. How do you get away with it? You take the real lessons from the Clinton administration and use them.

The real lesson from Clinton is that you have pick a candidate with a true populist voice that can talk to people in a way they not only understand but cannot ignore. The other lesson is that you win by painting the Repukes as the scum sucking radical fundie nutball wingnut scumbags they really are. Look at how he framed Dole. That was priceless.

Instead the DLC decided they needed to get even more right and dragged Al Gore right along with them.

Ugh.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:23 AM
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64. Clinton's legacy: Welfare, NAFTA, WTO
These three programs are his true legacy: what he leaves to future generations. All three are magnificent contributions to the people of America.

Welfare reform has reduced dependence on welfare, raised many people out of poverty, provided more dignity to the poor, and saved money. The perfect program.

NAFTA and WTO add economic growth, more jobs and expand our ties to our neighbors. The expansion of NAFTA-like agreements with Chile, Central America and Australia provides, I believe, unstoppable momentum for further trade agreements.

These programs will continue paying dividends for decades to come, and are Clinton's greatest accomplishments.

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:00 PM
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68. Don't forget the Telecommunications Act of 1995
Which has done more to put this country in a pickle than the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:30 AM
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73. Odd.
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 10:33 AM by Sean Reynolds
NAFTA has driven more American jobs over seas because of cheap labor and human rights standards. Welfare reform has thrown a lot of people off the system, leaving them without any means to support their family. Most of these people of course are the minorities in the country, oddly enough the same people that lost their job because of NAFTA.

Don't forget that whole Iraq thingy we did in 1998. That really was peaceful and fun. I remember watching the bombs going off over the streets of Baghdad. Made me proud to be an American.

Oh, we can't forget about DOMA, which stabbed the gay community in the back. And what about Don't Ask Don't Tell? A copout and a broken campaign promise - Clinton had promised to fully integrate the army for gays and lesbians. He didn't. Instead he made it seem like being gay was a shameful act and something that needed to be hidden.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 06:27 PM
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65. I am a Democrat, and Bill Clinton drives the right wing INSANE...
Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 06:35 PM by rezmutt
He gave us 8 years of peace and prosperity, and he is the bane of the right wing's existence -- what's not to like?

Am I supposed to appreciate the fact that the right wing spent several years and $70 million of the government's money -- *our* money -- trying to slap some phoney charges on him, and all that they could come up with was his denying that he got a bj????? I do not appreciate that one bit. Of course I wish he'd kept his pants zipped and not made it so easy for foes of the Democratic Party. Anyone who doesn't see that the right wing was trying to nail Clinton's keester to the barn door is ignorant or blind. They impeached this president basically for being a Democrat. Bear in mind that even Richard Nixon wasn't impeached, although he bailed out before that inevitability. The pursuit-of-Clinton episode in our history is unforgiveable, and it was the first real signal that the right wing wants total power, and wants to hold onto it at all costs, whether in money or human life.

During Clinton's 8-year tenure, I was able to go to sleep at night without worring about any weird and dangerous shit my government was pulling. Since * stole the office, I've worried every day and night, and I haven't missed a day fretting since that pinheaded puppet * took his "oath"...
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 09:59 PM
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70. I loved Bill Clinton
then and now. He was a wonderful president. I can't wait to read his book.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 12:49 AM
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71. Even Nixon overcame most of his bad points in the end...
Clinton had Monicagate, but she will only be a footnote in history.
If anyone thinks this corrupt administration will not be remembered and the party for trying to bring Clinton down. That alone will make Clinton, along with his record, in the top ten of all time.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:42 AM
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75. A mix of 2 and 3
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:45 AM
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76. His strengths far outweighed his faults...
... and boy, did we hear a lot about his faults in those 8 years.

Clinton was an always-on President. If he wasn't working he was sleeping.

I didn't like a lot of the things he did - the escalation of the drug war, welfare 'reform', etc. - but I also realize that even the President must make compromised positions, that the office powerful, but not that powerful. That doesn't excuse him, but it does explain a lot.

Clinton managed to de-rail the Reagan-Bush neo-Conservative movement for 8 years. That alone is enough to make me want to have him in office again.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 02:06 PM
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78. He was essentially a holding pattern
He didn't continue the same Republican policies apace, but he didn't really do a whole lot to roll them back, either. I think he's given a lot more credit for economic growth than he deserves, as much of it was a result of the tech boom. Before the detractors set in, I will also acknowledge his re-instituting higher tax rates on the highest brackets, which DID help the economy -- along with higher home ownership rates among black families and the like. I just think the adulation given to the economy during his time in office his extremely exaggerated.

I also find it amusing that another poster stated that welfare reform, NAFTA and WTO would remain has his "gift" to America. It seems to me that most of us who see Clinton as a missed opportunity point to these three things as our biggest sources of dissatisfaction with the Clinton years -- in addition to the 1996 Telecommunications Act and the 1995 Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (kind of a "pre-Patriot Act"). Welfare reform has nothing to do with "providing dignity to the poor". The only reason its negative effects weren't seen immediately was due to the end of the economic boom. Many of those negatives are coming home to roost now, however. As for NAFTA/WTO -- dont' even get me started on those two.

In essence, I see him as the best President of the last generation, considering that he's otherwise matched against Reagan, Poppy Bush and Dubya. However, I'd hardly call that a ringing endorsement for him or his "legacy".
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IntrepBerkExplor Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 02:37 PM
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79. President Clinton
The standard of "perfection" should be rejected in evaluating both candidates and elected officials. Everybody has serious flaws. We were very lucky to have two terms of President Clinton, for his Supreme Court appointments alone.

We were even more fortunate that the "Monica" stuff came out after the 1996 election. Clinton's timing was so reckless he could have given us President Dole.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 04:35 PM
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80. coulda' been 1 of the 5 best president's america ever had, coulda'.
"of all sad things of tongue or pen the saddest are these, 'it might have been'."

jg whittier

i think bill clinton represented the best this nation has had to offer in a long time. brilliant, articulate, driven, and capable of great empathy.

but, for the rest of my life when i hear his name i will shake my head and mutter, "what were you thinking?"
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 04:54 PM
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81. Explain to me, where Clinton claimed he was a "liberal"?
Last I checked, he was a left-leaning centrist.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:13 PM
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86. where the hell did i mention the term liberal?
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 04:56 PM
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82. Broke the back of the conservative revolution.
The conservatives seemed like they were going to take over the country in 1994. Thank heaven for Bill Clinton.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:46 PM
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84. What did he do that the GOP doesn't support or that Bush hasn't undone
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 06:47 PM by w4rma
, except for adding to the national parks?
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zoeyfong Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:39 PM
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87. He can still inspire, but his opportunistic war support hurt him.
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