Why are people comparing the Spitzer thing to Farrakhan and McClurkin?

[xultar]

Let me see, Farrakhan is anti-semitic and McClurkin is homophobic.

Spitzer who is married fucked a prostitute and broke the law.


Now Spitzer broke the law, he'll pay a fine and his wife will put is dick in her purse. I don't see how him fuckin some broad is 'political'. I mean if he had fucked Bill, yes. Mrs. McCain...absolutely. A reporter...maybe. But just some hooker babe? I don't see how that equates to being anti-semitic and preaching it to the masses or being a homophobe and preaching that to the masses.



Farrakhan and McClurkin impact large segments of our US population.



I may be wrong here but they are not the same people.

Now if Hillary had been with a prostitute, absolutely, if her campaign manager or someone high on her staff, then maybe. But a guy who endorsed her slept around on his wife and all of a sudden that equals Farrakahn and McClurkin. I don't see it.

EXPLAIN IT TO ME.

[jakem]

1. they are equally meaningless.

[Bread and Circus]

2. Exactly.

[xultar]

3. I'd go with that for sure.

[AndyA]

5. They are not equally meaningless.

What McClurkin preaches is insulting and demeaning to a large section of the population, and it's also a lie. You cannot pray to God and be "cured" of homosexuality as if it were something you caught.

And Obama allowed him to do it. Obama is contributing to the misinformation and lies. Yeah, I want someone like that for President. And they same McCain is the same... :eyes:

[jakem]

12. ok, and hillary 'allowed' bush to go to war.

happy?

[AndyA]

33. I didn't know this was tit for tat.

Still doesn't excuse what Obama has done.

He also has repeatedly voted to fund the war, despite his professed objection to it.

And, for the record, I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I don't care for EITHER of the Dem candidates, because at best they are SECOND BEST.

[scheming daemons]

4. Here's your explanation...

Imagine the EXACT same story.... but with Duval Patrick playing the role of Eliot Spitzer.


Now...

Tell me how many threads the Hillary supporters would be starting about how this reflects badly on Obama?


10?

50?

100?



That's what I thought.

[Lucinda]

7. Only the asshats, similar to the ones doing it on the Obama side right now.

:hi:

[leftynyc]

8. I doubt Hillary or any of her supporters

would be pushing a story about sex. That would be the height of hypocrisy.

[scheming daemons]

10. Then you haven't been in DU very long....

[leftynyc]

23. I've been here over 5 years

Let me know when Hillary goes after anyone based on a sex story.

[chimpymustgo]

9. I would guess ZERO. They seem to belong more to a party than a cult.

[xultar]

17. My first question was almost who is Duval Patrick. You can tell how much I care about

this primary season and the supporters of the candidates.

[scheming daemons]

19. Governor of Massachusetts and Obama supporter....

Duval Patrick is to Obama what Spitzer is to Clinton.

[sniffa]

31. Please stop misspelling his name

So many DUers do. It's Deval.

[11 Bravo]

24. What wlucinda said. ie: people like you.

[Melinda]

6. Rampant irrationality

The emotionally out-there radical DU supporters of each candidate are desperate to find some type of shit that will stick and leave a lasting stench on the candidate they oppose. Anything and everything is fair game to them, reason and logic aside.

All should just "simmah-down". Six degrees or closer by association does not impugn guilt.

[XemaSab]

11. Way to rock with the sexist language there

:eyes:

[Johnny__Motown]

13. Guilt through association is all Bull Shit. Clinton people have linked Obama to his supporters so..

Now Hillary is linked to one of her supporters


It is all wrong and should not happen, but turn about is fair play. Let's just hope it ends here

[NorthernSpy]

14. the point, since you've yet to grasp it...

... is that tainted associations is a game that two can play. And mind you, I haven't tried to make any partisan hay out of the Spitzer affair -- quite the opposite.


What sticks in the Obamian craw is this: there WAS NO association between Obama and Farrakhan, and Hillary knew it. Farrakhan said something nice about Obama, and that was it.


And with the help of the media, the Clinton camp made Obama actually responsible for what some loose cannon on the fringes of the political spectrum happened to say about him. That was dirty pool.


In response, some people have decided to respond by playing the tainted associations game with Clinton's supporters. Unlike Farrakhan, Spitzer at least is an actual associate of Hillary's -- so they're already being more fair in that regard.

[xultar]

15. So, that means that um....when Coulter endoursed Hillary you felt the same way...right?

You didn't give a fuck. Right? You saw it for what it was.

[scheming daemons]

21. Exactly... and Obama didn't say anything about it....

But Hillary beat Obama over the head with Farrakhan.....


Double-standard.....

[xultar]

29. No.. You'd compare the Coulter endorsement of Clinton to Rush's just about endorsement of Obama.

See


Pundit-pundit
Governor-governor

Farrakhan does not compare to Coulter.

[ieoeja]

16. Calling a "john" a bigot is an insult to the john.

You are correct. The Farrakahn and McClurkin comparison is total bullshit. What Spitzer did is nothing. What those two do is repugnant.


Which is why I go for the Rezko comparison!

The IL governor is in trouble for illegal dealings with Rezko that has nothing to do with Obama.

The NY governor is in trouble for illegal dealings with prostitues that has nothing to do with Hillary.

The two big differences:

1. Obama actually had some prior experience with Rezko before he turned crook. So there is at least a tenuous link. Hillary probably had no prior experience with the prostitutes before they started hooking.

2. Hillary tried linking Obama to Rezko. Obama has not -- and presumably will not -- make such a link between Hillary and the hookers.

That last is why I feel free to make the Rezko comparison. She asked for it.

[xultar]

18. But shouldn't you compare it t someting remotely similar? Like that law firm she worked for?

The Spitzer prostitute and McClurking Farrakahn thing just doesn't work.

I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying pick something remotely similar.

[ieoeja]

25. Going with what's in the news today.

No, that isn't it. For the longest time I have been thinking, "isn't Hillary lucky her governor isn't in trouble".

So when it happened ... just trying to be an instrument of Karma here, baby.

:evilgrin:

[xultar]

27. But, isn't that wishing bad luck on a Democrat who is actually a pretty good guy.

I cannot believe a DUer would wish that on a Democratic Govenor.

Oh, I get it. Dem governors who support Obama good. Dem governors who support Hillary bad.

[ieoeja]

30. No, I don't wish bad luck on Spitzer.

I feel sorry for him and would like to see him weather this storm and stay on.

But that doesn't mean I can not have a little fun at Hillary's expense. I have not actually said anything bad about Spitzer. All I have done today is repeatedly state that if Hillary can blame Obama for Gov Blagojevich's illegalities, then it would be just as fair for Obama to blame Hillary for Gov Spitzer's illegalities.

He won't. Because a stupid thing for her to say would be just as stupid for him to say.


Though I won't go so far as to say I feel sorry for Blagojevich and would like to see him weather his storm and stay on. Voting for Blagojevich's second term is the worst vote I have ever made in my life. Not because of the Rezko thing -- I will actually be a little surprised if Blagojevich is guilty of anything as he started his administration by going after some corruption in his own party -- but because of the competence thing. He has been an amazing disaster his second term. And the signs were there in the first term, but like the Clintons in the 90s, I was too busy defending him from the bullshit to see the real shit.

[LostinVA]

20. Yep

[endarkenment]

22. For the same reason that the ref is always making calls against your team

and never against the other team: you are blinded by your non-objectivity.

[femmedem]

26. It relates to Farrakhan only in that neither Farrakhan nor Spitzer

have much to do with either candidate's credibility. It's unfair to smear Obama with Farrakhan and it's unfair to smear Clinton with Spitzer.

McClurkin is different. Obama shouldn't have gone there.

[jackson_dem]

37. The fact a bigot like Farrakhan feels comfortable with Obama in and of itself is news

Just like David Duke endorsing Pat Buchanan a few years ago when he ran for president.

[IndianaJones]

28. it makes many of them feel better about their homophobia...others could care less. nt.

[zulchzulu]

32. I guess you couldn't afford college, huh

Who the hell ever said Farrakhan and McClurkin are like Spitzer? You? WTF?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. Because Some Here Are So Biased, That They've Become Highly Ignorant And Thoroughly Incapable Of

using any critical thinking skills. Their attacks are relentless, over hyped, and so frequently make them appear almost delusional. That's why.

[jenmito]

35. I don't know. But why did Hillary take his endorsement off her website?

:shrug:

[Barack_America]

36. Must be someone I have on "Ignore".

I haven't seen this.

[JVS]

38. Because they're Hillary supporters who mention Rezko, Farrakhan, and McClurkin every 3 minutes?

It's like some kind of version of Tourette's syndrom that causes constant smearing outbursts.

[malik flavors]

39. Farrakahn and Obama don't even know each other.

[Coexist]

40. I can't because it doesn't make any sense -

however, I don't think Farrakhan and McClurkin are as important in this country as people would like to think they are.

Spitzer is actually a Governor of a large state, his actions (in his job, not his motel room) affect people who both support him and not, he runs their state no matter what they say or think.

Farrakhan and McClurkin affect those who choose to follow/support him, not those who don't. Unless you are on DU, then they rule the universe, apparently.