The Hindsight Plan: 50-50 Split of Delegates For MI and FL

[DrFunkenstein]

It gets the states on the convention floor without allowing them to influence the elections twice by jumping other states that waited their turn to avoid creating chaos.

It is the only fair way to allow them back into the process without punishing other states for playing by the rules.

[Lucinda]

1. Nope. There would be no point.

[DrFunkenstein]

That's The Point. But They Would Still Get Seated.

n/t

[Lucinda]

10. If the numbers don't reflect the voters votes, it won't make people less angry.

The only place you could make a solid argument for doing it is in Michigan. Which I would totally agree with.

[movonne]

16. How angry do you think lots of people will be when they circumvent

the rules...I see no other way to do it fair except 50/50...

[Lucinda]

25. There is absolutely nothing fair about 50/50. The vote in Florida was

Clinton - 857,208
Obama - 569,041

That's 288,167 MORE votes for Clinton than Obama got.
An even spit isn't remotely fair.

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

[movonne]

13. That's the idea...that's fair..no loss, no gain...that is the way it should

be....the rules were broken and that is the only way to fix it fairly...

[Lucinda]

14. So you think it's fair not to respect what the voters actually voted for?

I don't.

[themaguffin]

22. the election was not fair to begin and it's a big fuck you to all other states

[Lucinda]

23. Everyone was on the ballot in Florida. It was fair.

Michigan, not so much.

[JackORoses]

28. Sure there would be. The States get to seat Delegates, but they don't get to be the deciders.

[DrFunkenstein]

29. Exactly.

Pottery Barn rule: You break it. You own it.

[ellacott]

2. I think that might be the best solution

Chuck Todd said that even with revote they may end up with the same amount of delegates if they would have split them 50/50.

[Johnny__Motown]

3. Clinton won't go for that,

[DrFunkenstein]

8. Or the Caucuses. But She May Not Have a Choice.

The choices are few and none of them are very good for everyone involved.

[thoughtcrime1984]

9. She only wants them to count because they are for her, even though they

were not to count. Re-vote (funded by the states, their lawmakers and gov. f'ed it up ya know), seat 50-50, or forget it. Personally, I am hoping for the re-vote, so the bitching can stop. I am confident my candidate will do just fine and the voters faith in fairness might be restored somewhat.

[fascisthunter]

4. It's the Only Fair Thing to Do

without dividing the party.

[bigtree]

7. so, the party leaders decide for the voters in those states?

[fascisthunter]

26. wassamatta? As If Hillary gave a Damn about the Process

and now her supporters trying to claim the high ground. Now it doesn't favor Hillary because it's splits the delegates evenly..... Give me a break.....

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

5. That IS what the GOP did in Florida

What other solution?

-The state doesn't want to pay for a do-over,
-Clinton doesn't want caucuses,
-Vote By Mail is too fraud prone, Florida can't handle absentee by mail now!


The DEM should do same as GOP in Florida, be penalized and get it over, but have
some voice.

No do-over, not unless they have a full blown primary, with regular polling places open.

What I don't get is that some states don't count at all, because the contest gets decided before they vote.

North Carolina hasn't mattered in decades!

Michigan should have a do-over, a whole new election.

This still isn't fair to candidates like John Edwards.

[VolcanoJen]

6. I don't think it's a bad idea, but the Clinton team won't accept it.

Rather than seeing the result of MI & FL as a wash, having no outcome on the end result, I imagine the Clinton team would be against taking from her total in the states to award votes and delegates to Obama in order to reach that 50%.

But, I like it. It doesn't cost anything, and the delegates still get to have their wine and cheese in Denver. :-)

The other thing they could explore in FL is pulling the Edwards delegates into session, allow them to realign, announce the results, and just live with it.

[tyne]

12. When Florida and Michigan

realize that after they go to all that trouble and expense, Hillary still has the same number of delegates, I'd think they'd force her to accept it.

Imagine....after it's all said and done, everythings the same as it was BEFORE the non-seating...except for it cost millions.

The only thing that's different is that the delegates are seated and that can be done with the OP's suggestion.

[chill_wind]

11. It's about the only sane option at this point, IMHO.

And the sooner, the better. Onward and upward. K&R

[Avalux]

15. Might as well. Redos will end up about that anyway.

Obama will win Michigan by 6-7 points and Hillary will win Florida by 6-7 points. Then they'll be right back where they started after spending a whole lot of money.

[Carolina]

17. totally agree.

No do-overs for rule breakers, stink stirrers and other shits like Billary Nelson.

Split the votes 50-50 and be done with it!

[Apollo11]

18. How would recognising the Florida primary "punish other states"?

I can see the arguments for having a do-over in Florida, if the money can be found.

But 1.7 million Democrats voted and it was Hillary 50%, Obama 33%, Edwards 17%.

Recognising this result would have no effect on the representation of other states.

[WilyWondr]

20. Except

it would tell every state that they can have their primary whenever they want it regardless of what the national party says.

Not a good precident.

[VolcanoJen]

21. Exactly... and next time we have an open primary, it'll be a free-for-all...

... to see which states have the cajones to go before Iowa and New Hampshire. I say, let's avoid watching that happen, shall we?

There is no point in having rules if they will never be enforced. The DNC would be nuts to seat the delegates as-is, and Howard Dean seemed to indicate yesterday that seating the delegations without a re-vote is not an option. I do agree with him.

But, 50-50 is making a lot of sense with me. And in Florida, you could just take the Edwards delegates into session and have them realign. You never know.... if they all went to Obama, we'd be at 50-50. I would certainly think both camps could get behind just letting the Edwards Florida Delegates pick a camp, and then just live with the result.

[WilyWondr]

19. Why do anything?

Many of the state delegates that did this to FL and MI will be up for election in November.

Make the people who are responsible for moving the primary pay for not listening to their constituents.

[MagsDem]

24. Obama didn't earn 50% of the vote in FL

Why does he deserve charity delegates?

[DrFunkenstein]

27. Who "Earned" Anything in Florida? The Point Is Giving Delegates to the State

As anyone being honest will tell you, the states don't deserve a second primary after knowingly breaking the rules and leapfrogging other states. But we don't want to leave them out of the convention.

Which is why the Hindsight Plan is the best compromise.