Since you didn't ask-The VP "offer" was racist

[underpants]

in the "We'd love to have y'all up to the manor. Y'all can have our scraps when we're done" mode

Sorry, someone needed to say it.

The fact that I saw video of Russert defending this as "a way of paying homage" means that the same inside-DC pinheads who thought it up were already trying to soothe any backlash that was coming for such a stupid idea.

The fact that Mississippi is the next contest makes the timing no accident

The fact that the only hope Hillary has left is to drag Obama down so she can claim he is "tainted" once they get to Denver and this will help her in the "He can't get white votes" myth

Since you didn't ask take this observation as you will.

[BlackVelvet04]

1. More race baiting by an Obama supporter.......n/t

[Lucinda]

5. Yup.

[LVjinx]

67. They can't stop, can they? They'll do anything, sabotage anyones reputation, just to promote Obama.

Disgusting.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

2. kicked and recccccccccccccccccc'd

[sharp_stick]

3. Oh Bullshit

This race baiting crap is becoming just as annoying as the sexist bullshit from the Clinton camp. It's making me start to wish we had an old white guy to vote for.

[underpants]

9. Okay how about "debasing" and "demeaning"

because it surely is those.

[sharp_stick]

15. That I'll give you, it is those but not even remotely racist IMO n/t

[Common Sense Party]

17. Did someone ask for an old white guy???

VOTE GRAVEL!!!

[sharp_stick]

LOL, I forgot he was still around

I've got my guy ;-)

[txaslftist]

33. Yeehaw!

I lik3 Mik3!

[Common Sense Party]

49. ROCK ON, GRAVEL!!!

The only adult left in the race, it often seems.

[txaslftist]

54. The moment I loved best: "You people frighten me...."

The things folks will say to get elected, I swear. You have to admire Gravel for drawing some boundaries around what he'd allow and not. He's the only candidate for whom "torture is illegal" wasn't stated as an opinion, but fact. He's the guy actually willing to categoricaly withdraw a first strike nuclear attack on another nation from the Iranian table.

He's really the only consistently unbendingly sane guy left in the Dem race.

So naturally he's derided as a "kook".

Rock on indeed, Mike Gravel. God love ya.

[Seabiscuit]

63. It all makes me wish Edwards was already our chosen nominee. I'm sick of this crap.

[NightWatcher]

4. that is kinda reaching (Obama supporter here)

I really dont think she's that smart to come up with that.

[underpants]

7. Okay that is true

they've screwed up everything before this but it did strike me at least as being debasing and demeaning.

[NMMatt]

72. If he were white do you really think the press would be buying this bullshit "offer" at all? -nt

[leftofcool]

6. This is stretching it

[Carolina]

8. K&R

[bigtree]

10. she meant it from the position of an eventual nominee. She intends to win the nomination.

That's much different than what you're alleging.

[anigbrowl]

16. Well, when she's in front I'll give it due consideration

Maybe she should concentrate on getting a delegate lead first before offering consolation prizes.

[bigtree]

27. politics is wearying

[Liberal Gramma]

58. NOT

I don't think for a minute that if she was in the lead he'd be her choice for VP. It's a transparent attempt to show she's a unifying force.

[otohara]

61. Hasn't She Already Lost

just how is she gonna rip the winner from the prize?

[Seabiscuit]

64. I'd say "Well, Duh..." because that's so friggin' obvious. But noooooooo....

Trust the DU Obama supporters to twist and stretch it all into another one of their phony "racist" bugaboos they keep crying about:

[anigbrowl]

11. I don't buy that, but...

it's pretty arrogant for the 2nd-place candidate to imply that the front runner should be their VP.

[bigtree]

13. not if she intends to offer it as the nominee.

[anigbrowl]

22. Talk about hubris /nt

[bigtree]

30. yeah, the nerve of her to believe that she can win the upcoming contests

[anigbrowl]

52. I'm talking about offering runner-up prizes before you have done so

If you don't get it then there's no point in my wasting time trying to explain it to you. There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance, and I think Clinton is on the wrong side of it. I wouldn't care if she said it as a throwaway witticism, all candidates say things like that. I just think she's pretty foolish to be pushing it hard in actual campaign speeches and so forth.

[Avalux]

12. I heard this on the news this morning:

The VP offer even though Obama is leading the race was like saying "be a good boy and go sit in the back of the bus".

Clinton has NEVER led this race since it's started. It's an insult to offer the VP position to Obama.

[underpants]

21. I am going to stop replying to my own thread

but the "back of the bus" analogy (along with the "come up to the manor" one I posted) was the first thing that struck me when I heard this.

Then I realized that Mississippi is the target and seemed even more likely.

[anamandujano]

71. You do realize that in every presidential contest, they all start offering the other guy the job.

All of a sudden, it's racist?

Really pathetic.

[bigtree]

25. he admitted in the same speech that the race wasn't over and that they were both still competitive

I believe 'competitive' was the word he used.

Clinton intends to win the nomination and then offer someone the VP slot.

[Avalux]

32. There's no winning anymore. She can't win it; she can only strong-arm her way to it. n/t

[bigtree]

42. so say the polls and pundits. I'll wait to hear from the voters.

Doesn't Obama have any strong arms in his defense? He'd better hope so. This isn't chess.

[anamandujano]

73. Wait to hear from the voters? What a novel idea!

:thumbsup:

[TheDeathadder]

14. Pure Bullshit

[jgraz]

18. I guarantee every HillSup would be screaming SEXISM if the positions were reversed.

Does anyone doubt this for a second?

[pnwmom]

23. I do. I'd be happy if he made the same comment about HRC.

I like the idea of a combined ticket, no matter which one of them is on top.

[jgraz]

36. If Obama was losing and offered front-runner Hillary the #2 spot?

Geez, I've had HillSups threaten me with castration for less.

[pnwmom]

43. His margin is not enough to win the nomination, which requires a

supermajority, as you know. They are likely to be in a similar position come election time, both with too few delegates to take the first ballot.

And it might well be that he has more delegates and she, more of the popular vote -- in which case the superdelegates will have a very difficult decision.

[jgraz]

51. Hillary cannot win the popular vote, even if she cheats

She needs to count the bogus Fl and MI beauty pageants and ignore the untallied caucus votes. This still leaves her about 32,000 votes shy.

[pnwmom]

60. There could well be a re-vote in those two states.

I'm expecting to hear soon that they will have mail-in primaries, which seems like a reasonable compromise. She will probably get fewer votes than if the states had been allowed to proceed with their earlier primaries, but at least the voters in the state would have a chance to be involved in this decision.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

19. I disagree - nt

[pnwmom]

20. Hogwash. Candidates do this all the time.

There's nothing racist about it.

[Skip Intro]

24. Bullshit. If Obama can only whine about Hillary, wtf could he do vs mccain?

Please, spare me the race baiting.

[TwilightGardener]

26. Geez, I thought I was the only one who made the Mississippi/black vote connection.

It's totally obvious to me that Billary timed their lies about VP for this particular primary. I swear to God they must think black people are stupid.

[izzybeans]

28. I disagree. It's a way of diminishing him and making him look smaller.

It's not racist, it's a flailing campaign looking to downplay the status of the frontrunner. He is the favorite, they have to pretend he is not. Sometimes the best answer is the simple one, sometimes not.

[TwilightGardener]

34. Yes, it's a way to diminish, obviously--but they did not hint around at this

until they appeared at rallies and appearances in MS. Why there?

[txaslftist]

29. You're looking for something that isn't there.

If John Edwards were in the position Obama is in now, she'd be extending the same condescending, dumb-ass, "I'm the queen and you're the subject" offer to him.

It's not "racist"; it's not even "elitist"; it's her fatal flaw: It's "Egotistical".

The Hillarites cannot believe she's losing, and neither can she. That's not the way her story is supposed to go.

The offer is made out of denial, not racism.

[Swamp Rat]

31. I don't think it was, but in light of numerous racist comments about Obama, I will consider it.

[cui bono]

46. "Don't darken me bro!""

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ecstatic]

35. I think she was trying to target blacks with that unity sh1t

To recapture the hearts of blacks who might switch back to her while being happy that they can also support Obama at the same time. Thank goodness Obama stopped her dead in her tracks. Hill, your 15 mins (aka 8 yrs, 35 yrs, lifetime of experience) is done. Go home.

[Elidor]

37. I disagree

It was an insulting offer, and a stupid one, but I don't see any racial connotations.

It was ultimately a ploy to try to put public pressure on Obama to go along with such a scenario, a pitch to the voters. And it failed. When Bill Clinton called a Clinton/Obama ticket "unstoppable" it was a tacit admission that his wife can't win without Obama's help.

[McCamy Taylor]

38. The way the Obama camp calls everything "racist" is....fascist

fascism: "Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." Robert O. Paxton

[bunnies]

39. Its not racist. Its Clintonist.

Manipulating the psyche's of the American electorate is classic Clinton. I have no question they'd be doing the same thing to anyone in Obamas position.

[ellacott]

50. That's it

Perfect description.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. See why we don't ask?

We already know the answer, no matter what the question is.

[cui bono]

41. Oh come on... she would have said that if it were Biden or Dodd or Edwards.

She can't help it if he's African-American. Not everything that happens is because of his race. That's really stretching. And I loathe Hillary, but this claim is absolutely ridiculous.

[CatsDogsBabies]

44. I thought

it was racist too. And, if it is not racist, it is just plain offensive and gravely disappointing. I am trying to post in as civil a way as possible because I think some of the stuff on here is out of hand, but I thought the offer of the VP seat was offensive. What is the basis for this offer? The primaries are not over + she hasn't won. I also think it would be offensive if Obama went around in public saying that he thinks Clinton would be a good VP candidate since she is still in the primaries. It is extra offensive because she is saying it without any regard for the candidate she is proposing for her VP. As far as I know Obama is running for president and to just dismiss that and talk about how he could be your running mate is absurd. It really disappoints me because at one time I had virtually the same regard for both candidates, and would have happily voted for either in the GE. I don't believe it is a real offer since Clinton has said so many negative things about Obama's experience. It is an underhanded way to undermine his place as the current front-runner in the primaries.

[underpants]

47. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[peace13]

45. Hillary is no hostess...

she will offer a *hit sandwich to anyone who will take one. Obama is more that polite to say no thank you.

[LaurenG]

48. I didn't see it as racist just really weird and

almost funny. It was one of those things that make you wonder if you just heard correctly.

[Horse with no Name]

53. Racist? Not in a million years. Ageist? I can buy that

BUT...in the real world outside of this place...does it not make sense (forget the two candidates involved) to put the older person at the top...with expanded VP responsibilities to the younger one to groom HIM for the office? That would assure 16 years and POSSIBLY 24 if the proposed VP picked a young, progressive, dynamic candidate as HIS running mate.
What seems to be lost is that RECORD numbers are turning out to vote for these TWO candidates--if they were just out for Obama...the deal would have been sealed and he would have swept ALL of the states.
But in TRUTH AND REALITY...forgetting superdelegates and caucuses...the popular vote is split nearly 50/50 for these candidates.
You CANNOT deny their popularity and in the real world...you would seriously have to consider this as an option because otherwise you stand to LOSE some of these voters if you cannot figure out something to make everyone happy.

[chimpymustgo]

55. Oh, underpants. Et tu? Does something happen to your brain when you go to the Obama camp?

That was in no way racist. Not at all. And to suggest it is just making mischief, at best.

[Seabiscuit]

56. Underpants, Underpants, Underpants ...

I usually like your posts but I think this is overreaching in a negative way. HRC was stupid to suggest the VP spot to Obama and it was a bad strategy move but I don't think it was intended to be a racial thing.

[Az_lefty]

57. the VP offer was utterly silly, but not racist...

as much as I can't stand Hillary, I just don't see a racist intent here.

[Genevieve]

59. She sucks - ad she's patronizing the front runner.....nt

[elehhhhna]

62. It's insulting, fersure. And disingenuous, to put it kindly.

[tokenlib]

65. Hope she pays for this arrogance tomorrow....

The backseat of the Clintonmobile is insulting.

[OzarkDem]

66. Can't Obama supporters ever discuss issues?

[2rth2pwr]

68. Accusations of racism against a woman candidate who is

working her heart out to break this glass ceiling is an intentional sexist ploy.

Powerful women scary?

The lengths that people will reach to to enforce their phallocentric mysogyny. The pedantic references included in the OP
are cover for pent up anger towards any Female Archetype that appears threatening.

[NMMatt]

69. I think your thesaurus is broken -nt

[NMMatt]

70. Of course it is... and I'll be the first to say if a man were asking a woman who was winning

To step aside and become the VP we'd never hear the end of the sexism charges and they would be right in claiming sexism.

[Tveil]

74. I see where you're coming from