The nasiest campaign I can recall in my entire lifetime

[Stinky The Clown]

Upon both camps a POX.

How remote are the chances the party and the party faithful will ultimately rally behind one candidate?

I bet a lot of people on DU will find supporting the one they now oppose a very difficult thing.

Upon both camps a POX.

[polichick]

1. In what way has the Obama campaign been nasty??

[ruggerson]

26. rofl

[polichick]

28. Apparently, you can't answer my simple question. No surprise.

[ruggerson]

33. If you're really curious, here you go:

This is also written in post #31

1) way back at one of the first debates, when Hillary was asked about the driver's licenses for illegals, Obama attacked her for taking "both sides" of the issue, when she was explaining that, for her, it wasn't a simple yes or no answer. Never mind that Obama gave the same convoluted answer she did. He said something along the lines of "this is what bothers people about Senator Clinton" she takes both sides of an issue. So, a character attack as well. This was long before Hillary ever attacked him on anything.

2) the entire race baiting stuff that his campaign pushed after New Hampshire. Emailing reporters and telling that the "fairytale" comment and Hillary's "Lyndon Johnson" comment were racist, when they clearly were not. Read Sean Wilentz's entire piece in the New Republic. It's very depressing that a good woman got so unfairly smeared.

3) the debate where he angrily lashed out at her about sitting on the "board of Walmart" while he was nobly serving his community.

4) the latest salvos from Plouffe and Co., where the Obama campaign basically calls Hillary a crook. "unethical""the most secretive politician in the country" etc etc.

Hope that helps. I won't respond to anything you write in response to this, because I am sure you will come up with various excuses for this behaviour. But, you asked what Obama has done in this campaign to poison the atmosphere, so I thought I'd answer your question

[Hieronymus]

32. Stuck for an answer, I see.

[ruggerson]

34. actually, i've posted it in two different posts in this thread

want a third?

[roguevalley]

42. actually, the millions of voters out there voting don't know about the

loons on this board or care. Most people, 99% live their lives unaware that people are kicking each other on this board. Rally behind a candidate? Who knows in the bigger world that there is a split.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

2. How old are you? Chicago 68, that was a peach.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Probably older than you

I used to hang with Methuselah.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

12. Got me beat. Only 66.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. I was wrong

You're older

[DJ13]

3. What nastiness directly from Obama?

Its been one sided as far as I have seen.

[John Q. Citizen]

4. That's easy to say, but can you list them? What's the 4 rottenest things the Obama campaign has done

and the 4 rottenest things the Clinton Campaign has done. Thanks, I'd like to see what you consider to be nasty.

[Whisp]

18. i've been waiting for that list as well.

there is no doubt which campaign is the pooflinging one, yet Obama gets lumped into Hillary's manure pile. CNN, for one, has been spouting this on and on and on.

apparently Obama disagreeing with some of Hillary's past policies/votes and making comparison between his solutions and hers - is as 'dirty' politics as calling him a muslim drug dealer incompetent empty suit.

wretched.

[John Q. Citizen]

20. I will wait a little longer, it hasn't been that long. And I'd like to see a well thought out list

for both campaigns.

[ruggerson]

31. Here I'll give it a stab

1) way back at one of the first debates, when Hillary was asked about the driver's licenses for illegals, Obama attacked her for taking "both sides" of the issue, when she was explaining that, for her, it wasn't a simple yes or no answer. Never mind that Obama gave the same convoluted answer she did. He said something along the lines of "this is what bothers people about Senator Clinton" she takes both sides of an issue. So, a character attack as well. This was long before Hillary ever attacked him on anything.

2) the entire race baiting stuff that his campaign pushed after New Hampshire. Emailing reporters and telling that the "fairytale" comment and Hillary's "Lyndon Johnson" comment were racist, when they clearly were not. Read Sean Wilentz's entire piece in the New Republic. It's very depressing that a good woman got so unfairly smeared.

3) the debate where he angrily lashed out at her about sitting on the "board of Walmart" while he was nobly serving his community.

4) the latest salvos from Plouffe and Co., where the Obama campaign basically calls Hillary a crook. "unethical""the most secretive politician in the country" etc etc.

Hope that helps. I won't respond to anything you write in response to this, because I am sure you will come up with various excuses for this behaviour. But, you asked what Obama has done in this campaign to poison the atmosphere, so I thought I'd answer your question.

[Major Hogwash]

36. It was the Clintons who were doing the racebaiting - get it straight!

Because we were all watching as Bubba and his boys attacked Obama for not being "Martin Luther King".

Bubba will go down in history as the biggest Democratic racist since George Wallace!!

[John Q. Citizen]

44. I asked for a list ot he 4 nastiest things done by both campaigns. Way to make it one sided

If those are the nastiest things you percieve, then I would have to say that it hasn't been a nasty campaign, at least from the Obama side.

I would take exception with only #2. I don't believe you have related how it happened, but I have to run now. Gotta take the youngest to wrestling practice.

[Benhurst]

5. Once again we are racing pell mell to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

:argh:

[depakid]

7. 1980, 1984 weren't walks in the park.

Kennedy helped to bring down a sitting Democratic president -and Mondale (a loser from the outset) used scorched earth and superdelegates to guarantee a Reagan landslide.

[Smelting Pot]

8. I keep hearing that from different people on here.

However, I have yet to hear a solid accusation of "nastiness" from the Obama campaign. NOT the Obama supporters, some of who should take their meds a bit more seriously than they do. But, please, can you tell me what dirty, underhanded, despicable tricks the Obama campaign have been up to?

[jgraz]

9. Mission Accomplished, Hillary

That's the ultimate goal of negative campaigning: suppress enthusiasm and depress turnout. I never thought I'd see it employed by one alleged Democrat to undermine another.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

10. Which stage of grief over Hillary's Orwellian campaign turn are you in?

Are you seriously alleging that Obama's campaign has been just as "nasty" to Hillary as Hillary's has been to Obama?

[CyberPieHole]

30. Q.E.D.

:eyes:

[Bread and Circus]

11. Yeah, like DU has anything to do with the actual campaigns.

And who are you to be in such a lofty position to judge everyone else here on DU?

Why don't you focus on what the candidates themselves are saying?

[MadBadger]

13. As Howard Dean stated recently, Nobody's face's have morphed into Osama Bin Laden yet

or vice versa, I dont remember

[pbca]

14. According to this

Over 80% will support Obama if he's the nominee and ALMOST 30% will support Hillary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5005702

[Benhurst]

19. Oh, come on now. Our polls are even less scientific that the real ones,

which often aren't worth a damn.

Who knows? But both are likely to be damaged goods by the time of the general election and neither will be able to depend upon having a united party for the campaign.

[cbayer]

35. That's a DU poll with 78 responses.

I wouldn't put a lot of stake in it.

[pbca]

45. No not much

But I think it says something about the kind of division that is occurring.

[cbayer]

47. Take a look at this one.

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/398.pdf

I think things in the real world are a lot less divided than they are here at DU.

[damonm]

15. Then you haven't lived long.

Dukakis-Bush 88.
Gephardt-Dean 04.
Dole-Bush 88.

Just off the top of my head.

[thevoiceofreason]

17. You are older than that.

Mondale/Hart/Jackson and the whole 1968 campaigns come to mind.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. I remember them

[Bucky]

22. Compared to 1980, this is patty cake

Selective memory. In the 1980 Texas state convention, Carter and Kennedy people were hitting each other with chairs.

[TacticalPeek]

23. They're stabbing each other over this one, and within the family at that.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/15517861/detail.html


:shrug:

[cbayer]

43. OMG, what a story!!!

Shurelds said he and his brother-in-law were watching the Feb. 21 debate between Obama and Clinton.

The two were at Shurelds' Collegeville home.

Shurelds said he thought Obama was winning the debate.

"I got excited and I constantly get excited over him," he said.

But in the midst of the excitement, violence erupted.

"Just out of nowhere the next thing I know I'm bleeding," Shurelds said.

[JVS]

24. If you wish a pox on both camps, isn't that really rooting for McCain?

Take that crap elsewhere

[cooolandrew]

27. Good one. *high five*

[Stinky The Clown]

49. No, that doesn't follow

I'll just leave 'that crap' right here in cesspool central.

But .... nice try.

[cooolandrew]

25. Barack has done very little in this regard accpet defendhis record. HRC instigates and divides.

It's getting a little irritating when it is made to look that Brack is geting just as dirty he has only ever defeneded his record then moved on and talked of McCain.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. I agree- people seem to be confusing posters on DU with Obama-

There have been some really offensive posts from people who claim to support Obama, but his campaign has been a pretty above board and clean.


peace~

[democraticscapegoat]

39. Are you kidding me?

How long have you been around? This has been childsplay so far........WOW, there are some people with some really soft skin around here!

Oh by the HI!

[Not the Only One]

37. Why should I give Hillary a pass for all that she's done?

Hillary is the person who gave us all the pox-infected blankets.

Obama has conducted himself honorably.

[TheDonkey]

38. Hillary's I can see... Obama's??? Not so much

the nastiest thing his campaign has done was some advisor calling Hillary a monster. Oh dear.

For Hillary the list of insults, smears, distortions, lies, and slurs are too numerous to list.

[mzmolly]

40. Honestly, I think the Kerry/Dean battle was much worse?

"Bush light vs. terrorist sympathizer." Then again, we're back their today huh? UGH.

[cbayer]

41. It's just really ugly here.

I think both candidates have run pretty clean campaigns. I know some don't agree with me, but I do not see either as having been nasty. I have seen supporters here be very nasty and incredibly hyper-sensitive to anything the candidate other than their own says.

And don't give up hope. Most democrats are willing to vote for either candidate and are not bothered by the continuation of this battle. In fact, according to this poll, they see it as good for the party:

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/398.pdf

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. '68 made me a DINO.

Which has proved a blessing to my nose.

[calico1]

48. I was a kid in '68,

just 10. But I do remember the billy clubs, beatings, riots during the '68 convention. And I also recall 1980 being pretty ugly. One of our "talents" as Democrats seems to be making it easier for Republicans by fighting amongst ourselves instead of fighting them.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. "One of our "talents" as Democrats seems to be ....... "

"....... making it easier for Republicans by fighting amongst ourselves instead of fighting them."

You'd think we'd have learned by now. But oh no.

[calicat]

51. You're either very young or have a very short memory n/t