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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:03 PM Original message |
Obama not winning popular vote, so why does he claim he is? |
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TAWS (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. He is winning the popular vote with Florida included |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. He took his name off the ballot in MI |
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TAWS (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Why does the rasmussen poll show him tied with Clinton in Michigan and him winning it in the GE? |
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AnarchoFreeThinker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. they still voted for her BECAUSE SHE KEPT HER NAME ON THE BALLOT |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I guess if you are a dem and the only dem on the ballot is hillary I |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
108. Hillary only got 50% of MI votes--and she was the only name on the ballot! |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. The 40% who voted "none of the above" in Michigan should count for Obama then.... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Obama Told Them To Vote For Undecided. So She Wasn't Running Unopposed. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Bingo... so you have to give the 40% "Undecided" votes to him..... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Why do you have to? HE took his name OFF the ballot |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. No. It was not his decision. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Sorry, but that is simply untrue |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
107. If everyone knew that MI would not count, (even Hillary expressed verbal acknowledgement of it) |
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bilgewaterbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #107 |
120. I say "NO" to the re-vote. They are not disenfranchised. |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #120 |
128. So they shouldn't count at all? |
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bilgewaterbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 05:54 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. They should not count any differently now than they were going to |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
86. and some including Dodd and DK decided to keep their names ON |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
129. Kucinich's name was only left on due to paperwork issues. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Personally? I Don't Mind That. A Few Of Those % Were Probably Not His, But Overall I'd Agree. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
126. It needs to be divided with Edwards and whoever else was still in then. |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
77. John Conyers said that. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
92. You are wrong |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Actually, John Conyers and his wife ran a campaign to get Uncommitted voters |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
75. Yea, but did EVERY OTHER candidate except Hillary... |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. He took his OWN name off the ballot...not too bright. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. Mkay... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. I thought BO supporters said it would be over.... |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. It's been over for weeks.... you Hillbots and your candidate are just in denial... |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. I agree! NT |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. And HRC herself stated she would wrap this thing up on Super Tuesday |
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madmunchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
83. She was so sure that she would wrap it up on Super Tuesday that her campaign |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
91. Like GW & Rummy failing to plan the occupation. Crappy management, pure & simple. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
127. She was wrong and Obama and you all were wrong about ending the race |
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Abacus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. Ack... |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. He's also not winning in delegates, so I don't know what he's talking about |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
38. People Don't Come to See Him Speak |
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Guava Jelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. I know you hate Obama |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yes, he is. In Hillary's word's Michigan and Florida "don't count" (her words, not mine). |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. According to realclearpolitics.com... he's winning the popular vote... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. No, he isn't, even according to them |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:09 PM Original message |
If you (correctly) county the "none of the above" MI vote for Obama, he is..... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
31. HE took his name off the ballot in MI |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
100. Except that 35-40% of that vote was for someone other than St. Obama... |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Not exaclty - here is the link |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. HE took his name off the ballot |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
67. Perhaps in Cuba that constitutes a valid election... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
95. You know.... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
98. That is only with FL and MI, he wasn't on the ballot in MI |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. GO BACK INTO YOUR CAGE!!! Damn I hate level 2 n/t |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Me too. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. This is like a descent into hell. My 200+ Ignored list was making DU bearable again |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. Its amazing isnt it? |
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southern_dem (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
125. We're sadistic |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. That's hysterical! Thanks for the laugh!! |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. :) |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Is that what happened? |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. You know what's sad, I put like 5 people on Ignore before I realized they were already |
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pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
15. Even if you count MI and FL |
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ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
16. he is winning the popular vote.... please provide a link to your assertions |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. You proved my point, thank you |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
19. Hillary said "Michigan doesn't count for anything".... and I agree with her. You should too. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. She had enough respect for them to leave her name on the ballot |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Respect?? A lot of us in Michigan were insulted.... |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
22. I think what everyone is forgetting is that the primary doesn't have to be democratic... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
25. ummm- where are you getting your numbers? they seem to be wrong. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. Let's try a credible source |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. Ha! |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. You forgot * |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. you seem to have a BIG FAT ASSterisk missing from your totals... |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
113. Whatever exceptions we can get so Hillary can seem to be ahead must be the only thing that's right. |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
30. Obama is the front runner. EOM |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. The frontrunner that less people prefer... |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Wrong -- |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Sorry, you don't get to pretend people in MI and FL didn't vote |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. He would still lead, don't redefine reality ... nt |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
32. FL and MI held invalid elections. They don't count, simple as that. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. The facts remain more people have voted for her than him |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. How is actually counting voters "manipulating" anything? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. Florida and especially Michigan does not count |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I don't have to "rationalize" anything... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. More people voted FOR Hillary |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. MI and FL were actual elections |
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bagimin (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
115. Actually down here Florida was referred to as a "Beauty Contest" |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
80. Obama still leads in the popular vote even if you count Florida. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
88. For OBamafolk who constantly whin about -that state "doesn't count"-you have NO argument! |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
52. Randi R ... Ed Shultz..Steph M... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
119. Keith Olbermann, Thom Hartmann, |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
54. So even if you count the unfair MI primary where Obama wasn't on the ballot, |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Nothing unfair about it |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. No, 'what's pathetic' is that you continue to argue |
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CampDem (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. You are right again MagsDem!! |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
63. Because He IS and you are a LIAR |
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theaudacity (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
64. She won uncontested primaries. By that logic Sadaam is the most popular prez in world history w/ 99% |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
66. Only with Orwellian arithmetic is Obama behind HRC in popular votes |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
68. Post your factual numbers to back up your claim, or STFU. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
71. He is winning the popular vote at present |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
73. Don't confuse them with facts... |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
74. Mags... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
101. Link? I want to put that in my file. |
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Yes We Did (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
76. You can spin and twist all you want... It will not change the facts. |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
78. Yawn |
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CindyKay (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
79. What About the Independents |
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Omega3 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. since when is a closed primary unfair? |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
81. You are quite simply wrong on the facts even including MI and FL AS IS.. HERE ARE THE FACTS. |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
82. He is no matter how you count it.. why are you claiming he isn't |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
84. Simple. Obama will LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL to get the nomination. |
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against all enemies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. God you are obnoxious. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. bwahahahah.a. And YOU |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
85. What kind of anti Democrat logic is this? |
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against all enemies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
87. Only a POS would count the MI votes, are you counting them? |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
97. the PA governor tried to do the same thing on MTP |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
90. flailing wildly now, we're returning to the "inevitability meme" at this late date? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
94. poor, pitiful little magsdem |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
99. baracka obama spin is nothing new. |
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Hav (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. . |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
102. After tomorrow even the lie of MI won't matter |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
103. Hillary's behind by all accounts so why does she offer the VP slot to the frontrunner? |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
104. Someone needs to push your off button |
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bajamary (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
105. Numbers - the math - supports HRC |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Obama's caucus wins net him a few thousand votes. |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. No it doesn't |
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Hav (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Wrong... |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
110. Look, over there...!!! Get that windmill....!!! n/t |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
114. All things considered.... |
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Turn CO Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
116. Is this like opposite day or perhaps Bizarro World? |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
117. if you're going to count MI give most of the uncommitted to Bo. |
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NMMatt (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
118. If you are going to include fucking MI at least give the "not Clinton" votes to Obama for fucks sake |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
121. I am in Fl. I voted, knowing the only thing being counted was my |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
122. Smart people understand that Florida and Michigan are... |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
123. ..Th popular vote is a canard |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
124. JESUS, not this shit again............. n/t |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
130. Bump. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
131. As of this moment in time NOTHING "counts" that came from FL & MI |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
132. Because he is |
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