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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:19 PM
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"I will take the President at his word"
Excerpts from a floor speech delivered in support of the Iraq War Resolution, October 10th, 2002. Part one of three as we approach the 5-year anniversary of the invasion. Relevant passages highlighted, less relevant paragraphs trimmed to keep it within a reasonable length. I think everyone here knows about the first Gulf War, so three paragraphs on it aren't very necessary.

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Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

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In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

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In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons.

So, Mr. President, the question is how do we do our best to both defuse the real threat that Saddam Hussein poses to his people, to the region, including Israel, to the United States, to the world, and at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations?

While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.

I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can't use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it. And according to recent reports, the CIA agrees with this analysis. A world united in sharing the risk at least would make this occurrence less likely and more bearable and would be far more likely to share with us the considerable burden of rebuilding a secure and peaceful post-Saddam Iraq.

President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

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And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

Thank you, Mr. President.


Hillary Clinton
On the floor of the United States Senate
October 10th, 2002
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:23 PM
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1. I think in times like these that Kucinich and others who voted no were all the wiser.
They didn't think something was right with the president or how the evidence was presented.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:36 PM
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2. It's not like it was a leap of faith.
Even if you completely ignored the questionable intelligence, just seeing the disingenuous attitude of the Bush administration and their hardon for the war should have been enough to put off anyone who wasn't supporting it solely from political expediency or cluelessness.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:36 PM
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3. I don't belive for a second that she trusted Bush......She knew the vote meant war and was affraid..
to take a stand.

She was more worried about getting elected President than she was about doing the right thing.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:39 PM
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5. bingo. n/t
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:49 PM
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7. ding ding ding. She was trying to bolster her "tough guy" image
it was extremely obvious and very sad.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:00 PM
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12. 4,000 DEAD American soldiers and 1Million DEAD Iraqis later....
....hundreds of thousands maimed..... 2 - 4 MILLION displaced from their homes.....

that's a lot of blood to pay for her "Political Expediency".
I wonder if it bothers her....even just a little?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:34 AM
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13. Probably, but I don't think in the way you mean.
Somebody who felt genuine remorse would probably have admitted that it was a mistake, and aired their change of heart publicly, like Edwards did. I suspect it bothers her, but more because she's tied to the war politically.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:38 PM
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4. I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:47 PM
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6. All they had to do was look at the hardon the Bush admin had for going to war.
It was obvious that the Shrublings had no real intention of pursuing any plan other than war. That alone should have warned them that this was a bad idea. But it wasn't just a judgement call, it was also political expediency.

Look, I've defended a lot of elected Dems on this subject, including Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, et al. I understand why they did it. In politics, sometimes standing in front of the tanks gets you run over. But it's come down to the point where "I made a mistake" isn't good enough anymore, if you can even get the candidate to say that. All that says is that they were either didn't want to be branded as anti-war liberals, or they exercised such poor judgement that they bought into the war hype. The Iraq War vote was trading their short-term political well-being for, in the long term, putting their personal endorsement on the worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:53 PM
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8. I am privy to reality
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 05:54 PM by TheDonkey
and would have listened to military experts and political scientist who had ample evidence that Saddam did not have weapons that had any sort of imminent threat to the US. Or I would have listened to the inspectors on the ground who could not find ANY evidence of imminent weapons. I would have realized that Al-Quida and Osama were raging in Afghanistan and we had more pressing foreign problems brewing. I would have know that Bush and company were not to be trusted and would use any excuse to sell out Americans safety and money for political and monetary gain for themselves.

Too bad Hillary wasn't privy to reality and decided to sell out America for a little bit of political gain (at the time).
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:42 PM
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9. pnac
Was the PNAC letter to Bill clinton public at that time?

Didn't she realize the same people who wanted Bill Clinton to invade Iraq in 1998 were the people who had all this "evidence" of Saddam in 2002?

It seems like both Clinton's had extra evidence that these people had an agenda if the letter wasn't public yet?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:59 PM
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10. It was an open letter, available to the public, and posted on their website. nt
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:19 PM
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11. Another failure of judgment. n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:28 PM
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14. Giving this a little kick today.
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