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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:34 PM
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Clintons' China Scandal: Campaign $$=Missiles, the Sell Out of American Workers, (WTO, China Trade)
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 05:55 PM by Dems Will Win

HEY AMERICA! IT WAS BILL AND HILLARY THAT SOLD YOUR JOBS DOWN THE YELLOW RIVER! 40% TARIFF FOR AMERICAN PRODUCTS IN CHINA, 2% FOR CHINESE PRODUCTS IN AMERICA!

Just in case you know any blue-collar types that are for Clinton, please tell them to wake up:

THE CLINTONS SELL OUT THE AMERICAN WORKER AND NATIONAL SECURITY FOR ILLEGAL CHINESE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS

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Apparently China's horrible record of religious persecution, forced abortion, military buildup, and arms sales to Libya, Pakistan, and later to Iraq and North Korea meant nothing to Democrats as far back as the Carter Administration, and even less to Mr. Clinton during his time in the White House. Obsessed with the idea of accessing the so-called “China market,” assisting special interests in the downsizing of their U.S. labor force, and using cheap Chinese labor to manufacture products for resale in the United States, he adopted a policy of “constructive engagement” with Red China.

Prior to Clinton's push Congressional procedure was to consider this MFN issue and vote on it annually, thereby retaining some ability to influence China's human rights practices. But by signaling his approval to granting the Chinese permanent most favored nation status, Mr. Clinton was in effect rewarding Communist China's terrible international and domestic record, and permitting that nation to achieve an important goal: complete and virtually unobstructed access to the huge U.S. market without having to moderate its shameful record of human rights violations or halt its reckless threats of war against America. For China, MFN status was essential to obtaining membership in the World Trade Organization (WTO), which it also coveted.

Even members of Mr. Clinton's own Party viewed his move as unwise. Senator Richard Gephardt (D-MO) and others had consistently opposed Mr. Clinton on China's most-favored-nation status, only to lose when the contentious issue of granting China its annual waiver came to a vote.

Pursuing his misguided policy of “constructive engagement” with the Chinese - and fueled by millions in illegal campaign contributions from the Chinese and several high-tech American corporations, Mr. Clinton mounted a ferocious campaign to beg, borrow, or buy enough Congressional votes to give the brutal Chinese dictators the victory they wanted. This, at the very time when Republican Congressional members were reminding Mr. Clinton that Congress was about to examine the question of whether national security was compromised by the Clinton Commerce Department's transfer of missile technology to China.

These transfers prompted House GOP Conference Chairman John Boehner, a traditional MFN supporter, to say that even support for the annual extension was in peril because Clinton had not swiftly put to rest suggestions that the missile technology waivers were connected to big Democratic campaign contributions from Loral Space & Communications' chairman and CEO, Bernard Schwartz, who had a long history of complicity in Democrat Party fund raising scandals. In 1994, he gave the DNC $100,000 and visited China with President Clinton's Commerce Secretary Ron Brown. Their trip netted Loral a $250 million package that allowed China to use Chinese rockets to launch Loral's multi-million dollar satellites into space.


Undeterred by anything said by Mr. Boehner, Mr. Clinton sent his Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, to Capitol Hill to urge renewal of China's MFN status and its expansion to permanent status. That prompted Shengde Lian, a leader of the 1989 democracy demonstrations in Tiananmen Square and Director of the Free China Movement to announce that the Clinton Administrations' policy was naïve and would not bring more freedom to the Chinese people: “In the long term, to give communist China unconditional MFN is not a smart decision. There have been some improvements in human rights in China, but not because China wants to change but because of international pressure,” he said.

Well, in the end , Mr. Clinton had his way. Today, thanks to MFN status, China's exports to the United States pay only a mere 2% tariff, while our exports to China are subject to tariffs as high as 30 to 40%.

http://www.quazen.com/News/Opinions/The-Hillary-and-Bill-Show-Same-Old-Same-Old.85486/2

Hillary Clinton Claimed China’s Entry Into The World Trade Organization Would Be Good For American Workers Despite The Already Massive Trade Deficit With China. “I know many people, here in Western New York in particularly and Erie Country, are concerned about this vote, and I share the concerns that many of my supporters in organized labor have expressed to me, because I do think we have to make sure that we improve labor rights, we improve environmental standards in our bilateral and our multilateral trade agreements. But on balance, I’ve looked at this, I’ve studied it, I think it is in the interests of America and American workers that we provide the option for China to go into the WTO.”

Hillary Clinton Supported Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR) For China, Claimed It Would Create Leverage. “Senate candidate Hillary Clinton said Thursday she supported permanent normal trade relations for China, but slammed Beijing’s restrictive birthrate policies.”


September 19, 2000

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON SENATE PASSAGE OF CHINA PERMANENT NORMAL
TRADE RELATIONS

Today the Senate voted to pave the way
for permanent normal trade relations between the United States and
China. This landmark agreement will extend economic prosperity at home
and promote economic freedom in China, increasing the prospects for
openness in China and a more peaceful future for all of us.

When we open markets abroad to U.S. goods, we open opportunities at
home. This vote will do that. In return for normal trade relations --
the same terms of trade we offer now to more than 130 other countries
-- China will open its markets to American products from wheat, to
cars, to consulting services. And we will be far more able to sell
goods in China without moving our factories there.

But there is much more at stake here than our economic self-interests;
it's about building a world in which more human beings have more
freedom, more control over their lives, more contact with others than
ever before. A world in which countries are tied more closely
together, and the prospects for peace are strengthened.

Trade alone won't create this kind of world, but bringing China under
global rules of trade is a step in the right direction. The more China
opens its markets to our products, the wider it opens its doors to
economic freedom, and the more fully it will liberate the potential of
its people.

When China finishes its negotiations and joins the WTO, our high-tech
companies will help to speed the information revolution there. Outside
competition will speed the demise of China's huge state industries and
spur the enterprise of private sector involvement.

They will diminish the role of government in people's daily lives. It
will strengthen those within China who fight for higher labor
standards, a cleaner environment, for human rights and the rule of
law.


And we will find, I believe, that America has more influence in China
with an outstretched hand than with a clenched fist. Of course, none
of us should think for a moment that any of these outcomes are
guaranteed. The advance of freedom ultimately will depend upon what
people in China are willing to do to continue standing up for change.
We will continue to help support them.

Peace and security in Asia will depend upon our military presence, our
alliances, on stopping the spread of deadly weapons. So we will
continue to be a force for peace, and we will not rest in our efforts
to make sure that freer trade also is fairer trade.

These are some of the most important issues that our nation faces.
That's why this vote was so important and, for many, so difficult. I
want to thank Senator Lott and Senator Daschle, Senator Roth, Senator
Moynihan and Senator Baucus, as well as those who led our effort in
the House, and everyone within this administration who worked so hard
to achieve this important milestone.

But I also want to acknowledge those who raised important questions
about this policy, and say to you this is not the end of the story, it
is the beginning. We have a chance -- not a certainty, but a chance --
to strengthen our prosperity and our security and to see China become
a more open society.
Now our test as a nation is whether we can
achieve that. I hope, and I strongly believe, that we will.

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On 9/13/1995, President Clinton met with John Huang (Chung) and James Riady. During the meeting, Huang expressed an interest in becoming a fund-raiser for the Democratic National Committee.

In this position at the DNC, Huang raised $3.4 million. The DNC was later forced to return nearly $2 million when a Congressional investigation revealed "problems" with the source of the funds.
Huang was later convicted of crimes related to illegally reimbursing campaign contributions with Asian funds. Riady was also convicted of related campaign finance crimes. A U.S. Senate campaign finance report stated that Riady had a, "long-term relationship with... Chinese intelligence."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/31/03342/9460

Bernard Schwartz, chief executive officer of Loral Space & Communications, tells The New York Times he considers President Clinton a friend, "but not the kind of friend that you can call upon for favors."

We're supposed to believe that Schwartz invested $1.3 million in Clinton's political campaigns without the expectation of special treatment. If that's true, you would expect Loral stockholders to demand an explanation for such reckless disregard of their interests. I doubt you'll see such a move. Because Loral got plenty of bang for its buck.

"I can say absolutely, categorically, I have never spoken with the president about any Loral business, except on one occasion," he says. Notice the careful wording of that statement. Never ... except on one occasion. Furthermore, it's clear Schwartz and his company did ask the president and his administration for favors -- for special treatment -- on more than one occasion.

Last February, Schwartz needed a quick decision from the government about the launching of a Loral satellite aboard a Chinese rocket later that month. Within two weeks the president gave Loral permission -- overruling the advice of his Justice Department, which was investigating Loral's satellite deals with China. Clinton also broke with past policy and the advice of his State Department and Pentagon.


...

This was just the most recent favor. In 1994, Schwartz pushed hard for a seat on a trip to China led by Commerce Secretary Ron Brown. The trip paid off in spades for Loral. A meeting in Beijing with a top official led to Loral winning a deal to provide cellular telephone service to China, an agreement that will soon be worth $250 million annually.

Later, in May 1996, Schwartz wrote to Clinton urging him make the Commerce Department the clearing house for approval of export licensing of commercial satellites rather than the State Department. Once again, Schwartz got his way.

...

This is a scandal unlike any other in American history. Clinton and Schwartz have nothing on Benedict Arnold. The sensitive technical data shared with the Chinese for simple greed and power has apparently enhanced the reliability of Beijing's long-range nuclear missiles -- missiles, by the way, targeted at the United States.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14497

Chung later testified under oath to the U.S. House Committee in May 1999 that he was introduced to Chinese Gen. Ji Shengde, then head of Chinese military intelligence, by Liu Chaoying. Chung said that Ji told him: "We like your president very much. We would like to see him reelect . I will give you 300,000 U.S. dollars. You can give it to the president and the Democrat Party."<4> Both Liu and the Chinese government denied the claims.<5>

Chung was eventually convicted of bank fraud, tax evasion, and two misdemeanor counts of conspiring to violate election law.<6> On December 14, 1998, Johnny Chung was sentenced to probation and 3,000 hours.


Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Chung"

CHINA MISSILE SELLOUT TIMELINE



April 24, 1995: Loral chairman Schwartz gives $25,000 to the Democratic National Committee.

June 30, 1995: Schwartz gives $20,000 to Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, which provide support for Democratic Senate candidates.

Aug. 30, 1995: Schwartz gives $75,000 to DNC.

Sept. 30, 1995: Schwartz gives $20,500 to DSCC.

Oct. 9, 1995: Secretary of State Warren Christopher decides satellites should remain a military munitions item.

Nov. 29, 1995: Schwartz gives $100,000 to DNC.

Nov. 29, 1995: A Chinese government agency writes Loral, asking for help in getting an upgrade for its dual-use imaging technology, exports of which are prohibited under U.S. sanctions.

Jan. 26, 1996: Loral is sold to Lockheed for $9 billion.


CLINTON APPROVES LAUNCH
Feb. 6, 1996: Clinton approves the launch of four communications satellites on Chinese rockets.

Feb. 6, 1996: Wang Jun of CITIC, owners of percentages in Chinese satellite companies, visits the White House for coffee and dines with Commerce Secretary Ron Brown.

Feb. 8, 1996: The White House and Commerce Department begin to talk about the satellite export issue again.

Feb. 14, 1996: A Chinese rocket carrying Loral Intelsat satellite explodes, destroying a Chinese village.

Feb. 15, 1996: Schwartz gives $15,000 to DSCC.

Feb. 15, 1996: The State Department gets an urgent request from the White House to speed up the process of switching the satellite licensing to the Commerce Department.

Feb. 29, 1996: Schwartz gives $50,000 to Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which bankrolls Democratic House candidates.

March 8, 1996: China launches missiles.

March 14, 1996: Clinton decides to move the satellite licensing function to the Commerce Department.

March 15, 1996: Loral President J.A. Lindfelt writes Commerce to say the export of a dual-use technology, known as synthetic aperture radar, is being held up by the Defense, State and Commerce departments.

April 1996: Schwartz announces the formation of Loral Space and Communications.

April 24, 1996: Schwartz gives $50,000 to DSCC.

June 10, 1996: Schwartz gives $100,000 to DNC.

July 22, 1996: Liu Chao-Ying of China Aerospace meets Clinton with Johnny Chung.

July 31, 1996: Schwartz gives $5,000 to DSCC.


INFLUX OF CHINESE MONEY
August 1996: Chung accounts show an influx of $300,000 from Liu Chao-Ying.

Aug. 18, 1996: Chung gives $20,000 to DNC to attend Clinton's birthday party.

Aug. 28, 1996: Chung gives $15,000 to DNC at Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

Sept. 16, 1996: Schwartz gives $30,000 to DSCC.

Sept. 20, 1996: Schwartz gives $20,000 to DSCC.

Oct. 16, 1996: Schwartz gives $10,000 to DSCC.

Oct. 18, 1996: Schwartz gives $70,000 to DNC.

Oct. 24, 1996: Schwartz gives $5,000 to DSCC.

Nov. 5, 1996: New guidelines on Commerce licensing of satellites are published.

Nov. 5, 1996: Clinton is elected to his second term as president.

Oct., 1997: A federal investigation of Loral begins.

Feb. 12, 1998: As Clinton ponders whether to sign another waiver allowing launch of a Loral satellite aboard a Chinese missile, National Security Adviser Sandy Berger sends him a memo saying the Justice Department `has cautioned that a national interest waiver in this case could have a significant adverse impact on any prosecution that might take place based on a pending investigation of export violation.'

But Berger adds that `the advantages of this project outweigh the risk,' and `it is inappropriate to penalize before they have even been charged with any crime.'

Feb. 18, 1998: Clinton signs a waiver allowing Loral satellite to be lifted into orbit by the Chinese.

http://www.fas.org/news/china/1998/h980618-prc8.htm



PLEASE RECOMMEND IF YOU THINK HILLARY MAY NOT BE ELECTABLE



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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:38 PM
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1. Now, this is some good criticism of Bill Clinton.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:40 PM
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2. Thanks Bill......
Go get another blow job.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:41 PM
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3. Hillary has like five rezkos.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:27 PM
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17. Just Five? Oh I bet the count is MUCH higher
why do you think they won't release the income taxes from 2000-2007?
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:43 PM
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4. I've said it before
The sellout of the American worker began under Clinton. Clinton was possibly even worse than Bush, who temporarily imposed tariffs on steel.

Recommended.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:48 PM
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5. K, R, & B.
Thanks, Dems Will Win. I really appreciate all the information you provide! :patriot:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:52 PM
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7. My motto is "Always Relentless"
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 05:53 PM by Dems Will Win
I believe the media is holding this back, plus Bill's recent affairs from 2002, until she has the nomination locked up - -which hopefully now will never occur.

It took me all of 20 minutes of Googling to dig this up so don't think she won;t be hit with this.

40% tariff on American goods and 2% on Chinese goods.

THIS IS THE REAL CLINTONS! They are total sellouts to the American Worker.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:52 PM
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12. Yes the topics have been great! K. R, and bookmarking and I suggest we all do the same.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:50 PM
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6. On top of all this sleazy crap
It was WJC, who, through a presidential directive in 1995, authorized the CIA amongst other secretive government agencies, to use the practice of extraordinary rendition. That's nice speak for hijacking people, and shipping them off to torture sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:56 PM
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8. Kick
:thumbsup:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:10 AM
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19. Kick 2.0!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:28 PM
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9. A, this is wingnut crap from years ago. B, It has all been disproved. C, Bill Clinton is not running
The objective, unassailable, easy-to-prove truth is, Bill Clinton's administratiun was the most ethical in U.S. history. Them's the facts!

Wingnuts like this poster, who want to hold things Bill (supposedly) did against Hillary, must, if they are fair-minded (ha!), also give her credit for the longest peacetime expansion in U.S. history, the most number of new jobs created in one presidency, and the FEWEST (I said FEWEST) members of his 8-year administration to get in trouble with the law.

(Only died-in-the-wool wingnuts believe Clinton's Administration was as dirty as, say, Reagan's was.)
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:51 PM
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10. None of this is disproved, unless you can prove that with proven links.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:52 PM
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11. Do you have the debunk links, then?
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 07:52 PM by FrenchieCat
I'd like to read them.

Thanks!
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:02 PM
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13. And Hillary didn't know anything about this! (nt)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:06 PM
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14. Shocked, Shocked I Tell You.
:kick:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:22 PM
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16. Let us be happy that the voters get to see this now before the republicans try this in November!
Hopefully they will vote other than Clinton and we will not face the horror of 8 years of preprepared republican research on Clinton.

This is only part of the iceburg.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:21 PM
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15. She was "unaware" she signed that card above with Johnny Chung...
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:33 PM
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18. This is right wing propaganda
How can you use WorldNutDaily.com as a source? Its a website for right wing kooks. Weren't you the one who just ran a thread based on RushLimbaugh.com? Weren't you around in the 90s when all the right wing propaganda about Clinton was debunked?
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:19 AM
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20. Except much of it wasn't debunked
Why in the hell would we want to put that same corrupt couple back in the white house? Wasn't loosing congress once bad enough? If we do, we'll reap what we sow, I suppose.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:08 PM
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22. She wont win the GE with this stuff against her.
The republicans are completely ready to use this against her in the GE along with many other things.

The republicans have been planning to run against her for 8 years do you think this is the worst?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:23 AM
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21. Sorry none of this is debunked and so you cannot provide links that they ever were
And no I never quote rushlimbaugh.com
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:20 PM
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24. Some just go around and claim debunked on every anti-clinton topic ..
I look forward to Clinton exiting the race.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:37 PM
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25. If it wasn't debunked Clinton and many others would be in prison
There is no point to supplying links. Not a single Clinton hater has ever had his mind changed by facts.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:14 PM
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23. Personally, I don't find this problematic.
Sinophobia is misplaced; better to learn to work with China than jab one's fingers in one's ears and pretend that tariffs will stop them. China is not an immediate military threat; they are a long-term geopolitical force, and a force that we must engage, not attempt to isolate.

That said, this is just one of a thousand things that the Republicans can and will bash Clinton on. They'll be able to drag up a new scandal every three days. She'll go down in flames.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:40 PM
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26. Tariffs is a start.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:42 PM
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27. Yes, I think 2% vs. 40% is a mite unfair. I don't see how you approve that and call yourself an
American
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