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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:03 PM
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This election is not about Race nor Gender, It is about US and our FUTURE!
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 07:12 PM by FrenchieCat
Yet, it appears when reading this board, that is what it is all about!

Please know that Barack Obama is not the Black Candidate running, he just happens to be the candidate running while Black (1/2 at that).

Focus on Obama's race is never a good thing for Obama, because it focuses folks on that fact and not much more. Considering that Black people only make up a small percentage of the Democratic party, it only provides him with an edge within a small portion of the voting pie in certain states, yet helps keep those who are not Black transfixed on his race, instead of what Obama canl do for us as our President.

Please know that I did not vote for Obama because he was Black, I voted for him because I believe that he has the best judgment and is the most inspirational. I also believe that he is a better bet for our future internationally, and a better choice than the legacy message that Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton says about this country. Furthermore, I voted for Barack because I felt that he would offer a greater contrast to McCain (who I knew would be the GOP Nominee), and I believe that contrast is more effective than competing in the same categories (experience).
To further illustrate; I did not vote for Al Sharpton in the 2004 Primary, I voted for Gen. Wes Clark, for the same reasons that I voted for Obama this time round.

On the other hand, focus on Hillary's Gender appears not to have as many downsides for Hillary Clinton, as she is able to play with the qualities that her gender brings depending on her goal. It allows her to run a competitive theme with a majority of voting Democrats, who like her are women. That's one of the reason that Chelsea is everywhere to be found; reminds voters that Hillary is a mother, and why Hillary showed her "vulnerable" side right before New Hampshire, and her "tough" side right before Texas.

But after all is said and done, Hillary Clinton simply just happens to be a woman. Her gender is not why I didn't vote for her. I didn't vote for her because she voted for the War as well as some other of her votes. Also, I didn't like enough of what Bill Clinton accomplished during his administration nor the personal scandals he invited, to want to bring him back into the White House in any capacity. I believe that America is the land of opportunity, and that should mean that everyone gets a chance, instead of always the same people. In addition, I don't like the way that Hillary has conducted her campaign starting with not being prepared beyond Super Tuesday. The fact that the media pushed her on us for two years prior to Iowa didn't help either.

Yet, just like right before South Carolina, it appears that Obama's race has again become the greater issue of this election once again.

This has to stop, because, yes, it will destroy the Democratic Party, or at least how Black people view the Democratic party...and that won't be good for anyone, because only the Republicans will prosper from this.

I fault many for this race/gender focused election. I first look at those who started calling Obama a "preacher" before Iowa.

This lack of appreciation by many Black people for the label "Preacher" goes back many years (the 50s), when Black mothers would lament that society offered only three opportunities to their Black sons (the 3 Ps); to be Pimps, Preachers or Prisoners. In other words, there are plenty of all three to go around still today, and these labels have always been considered stereotypical slots to drop black men into. It is not to say a preacher is a bad thing, but being a preacher doesn't always require higher education; simply the gift of persuasion (which is the same attribute needed to become a pimp). Possibly, many White people don't know this, so I'm not faulting them for having done just that (Hillary supporters). And so when Obama was typified as simply a preacher preaching false hopes, this offended many Black people, to see someone as uplifting and fresh as Obama pigeonholed and now demonized by many ("he's a terrorist" cover on the Ntl Enquirer this week).

But more than all, I fault the media for further aggravating the situation by constantly segmenting the Democratic party and assigning everyone to a segment based largely on race, gender and class, and then announcing which candidate we should support based on our demographics. I've never seen it done so pronounced, and I believe that the media had a duty to attempt not to make it be the focus, but they have. And so, I have become resentful of this manipulation of telling us who we should vote for based on who we are. I disapprove and disagree with this kind of stereotyping and I believe it is bad for our democracy, and terrible for this history groundbreaking election.

It doesn't matter what the candidates happens to be Female or Black, and it doesn't need to be repeated adnauseum lest we should forget. what matters is who they are as public servants, what they have done, and what they are offering us as a nation.

But instead, we are getting further and further away from who the candidates are as we start accepting the label of color and sex instead.

This phenomenon is really bothering me, and I am starting to feel alienated from this country. to witness this contest turning solely on the issue of race and gender, is tragic. It makes me very disappointed in my party, folks here at DU, and mainly at the media for exploiting this in the way that they have.

And no, I don't believe that Barack Obama ever thought that it would be an advantage for him in winning this election if voters were concentrating on his race. He is proud of what he is, but he is so much more than a Black candidate until this whole process is demeaning the entire nation in a very unproductive way.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:06 PM
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1. Obama has been running just as a CANDIDATE
Starting in South Carolina, the Clintons have tried to reduce him to a
BLACK CANDIDATE. This trend continues ... and hopefully we will all rise
above this.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:08 PM
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2. I pray for it. Doing otherwise will leave this country in shambles!
And I, for one, do not wish for this. :(
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:12 PM
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3. Too late.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:13 PM
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4. It is never too late.......
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:17 PM
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5. One of the thing that I'm really sick of is the racial breakdown provided
with each and everyone of these primary results that occurs in a state that has Black people in it. I notice when Wyoming was analyzed, this did not come up.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:10 PM
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18. 1corona!!! So nice to see you posting.
:loveya:

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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:17 PM
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6. it is a sad state of affairs when race and gender can STILL evoke such emotional responses...
to steer people away from what they KNOW is a change in direction, hopefully a good change, for our country....

to spite, in spite of, themselves, ourselves and the generations who will inherit this mess...

because of race or gender...

in retrospect, GWB had it made all along.....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:19 PM
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7. The victims are our young people, who will end up learning a hard lesson.....
that wasn't required, all about prejudice and automatic disdain for what is different. :(
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:28 PM
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8. it's the 100 years cycle.....here we are...big business running EVERYTHING...
the World in turmoil...small 'insignificant' countries bringin us to the brink of war (or more accurately, bringing war to them)....weakened political structures here and abroad...economical chaos...social upheavals....

history doesn't repeat itself on its own...people do...

we actually have not gone far for as much as we have 'learned'..
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:31 PM
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9. I sometime wonder if Pennsylvania will take "pride" in being what is being
called a "Hillary" state, which is starting to morph into being a state where White people are hesitant at voting for a Black candidate, unlike states like Wisconsin, Washington State, and Wyoming.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:07 PM
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12. Give up Pennsylvania, give up the election, let Hillary have her chance
Ohio, California, Texas and soon Pennsylvania prove Hillary's opponent is unelectable.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:37 PM
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14. Hillary is who is unelectable.
and that will be in the exact states you list with the exception of Texas, which neither would win.

This contest will be examined very closely by historian, and I can tell you know, you...Billbuckhead will be put in the Knucklehead category of those who saw it all backwards.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:58 PM
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15. So you predict Hillary won't win Pennsylvania by double digits?
:rofl:
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:33 PM
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10. it's the 100 years cycle.....here we are...big business running EVERYTHING...
the World in turmoil...small 'insignificant' countries bringin us to the brink of war (or more accurately, bringing war to them)....weakened political structures here and abroad...economical chaos...social upheavals....

history doesn't repeat itself on its own...people do...

we actually have not gone far for as much as we have 'learned'..
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:47 PM
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11. Aye!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:33 PM
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13. So I"m watching MSNBC now, and they are going with the meme.....
Obama is starting to lose the White vote. The compared MS to the White vote he received in Georgia, LA and TN and stating that there is a drop in his percentage of White votes. What they failed to do is talk about the obvious, the fact that people in states where there are not that many or no Black folks, Hillary still got beaten by Obama. They don't make the point that those voting for Clinton in those "red" districts are Republicans voting for her because that's who they want McCain to go against.

If viewers were dumb, they'd fall for that propaganda on race that they were selling. So sad to see them do it right before my very nose.

The media fucking sucks, and I only have Bill Clinton's signature on the 1996 Telecommunications Act to blame.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:08 PM
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16. Was just about to start a thread on same topic
It isn't about race or gender, so don't let the press nor the Republican Party take you there! It is about the future of this country! It is about the Iraq War, it is about Iran, it is about the widening gap between the rich and poor, it is about families losing their homes, it is about jobs, it is about economy, it is about big oil, it is about the hidden inflation, it is about our freedoms, it is about ridding ourselves of the hijackers in Washington! Focus your strengths on the issues at hand, not the issues the media is making it.

Remember the past seven years...never forget...
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:09 PM
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17. Yeah, race had nothing to do with his win yesterday
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 09:10 PM by jackson_dem
Blacks: Obama 90, Hillary 10
Whites: Hillary 74, Obama 21

Just a magical coincidence. I am sure it was because of the special, secret race-specific policies each candidate has for folks of their own color. :eyes:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:11 PM
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19. Race had nothing to do with his win in Idaho either. Obama won 4 to 1 in Idaho,
It was the Iraq War that was the number 1 issue for us out here.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:13 PM
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20. Explain the MS numbers
What are the odds that randomly happened? Switch the colors. I would bet the numbers would reverse as well...
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:27 PM
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21. They hate Hillary's guts, just like we do here in Idaho.
That was easy.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:41 PM
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22. Hate her guts? I guess my state hates Obama's guts.
Glad I didn't have to move.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:48 PM
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25. I don't know about your state, mental or otherwise, but I would say you have personal problems.
Seek help before it's too late.

Too late.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:05 PM
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26. Oh really? Even if we accept that it doesn't explain the racial discrepancy
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:07 PM by jackson_dem
Why is she hated in Idaho anyway? Let me guess: for having the same beliefs Obama does but Idaho "hopes" Obama is different. If they just believe enough...
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:28 AM
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27. No Hillary lied about her position on the Iraq War - she changed her positions 4 times last year.
We were all watching her eat her words after Iowa.

That explains everything.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:29 AM
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28. By the way - those are the same talking points that Hannity Insanity made tonight.
Good job bringing Faux Snooze's talking points to DU.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:43 PM
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23. oops
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:06 PM by dailykoff
dupe
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:45 PM
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24. Yes, Hillary thought she could win on gimmicks
like her name and gender, and when those crapped out, dirty tricks. What a disappointment it must have been to discover we're not fools.
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