How can anyone defend Hillary at this point?

[Monty__]

Even if you supported her from the beginning and still think she would make a good president....how in the world can you support her? The list of Rovian tactics is absurdly long, the list of absolute BS she has said, Bill has said, her supporters have said (Ferraro, etc.). Asking Obama to be her VP? The nerve...the audacity, the arrogance, the stubborness. I'm just shocked. I knew she was power hungry but this is absurd. She prefers McCain. She'll trust Obama that he's not a Muslim.

Look, I was and still consider myself to be an Edwards man. After SC I actually was split. I didn't like some of Obama's comments in the debate, etc. I still don't feel the emotional tie to Obama that I did to Edwards but this has gone too far. My state has already voted but I'm going to donate right now to Obama. Hillary must be stopped.

Sorry for the rant but I'm now that fed up

[Roland99]

1. Blind loyatly.

[polichick]

3. Blind, deaf AND dumb loyalty!

[Medusa]

11. And stupidity?

just a guess.

[polichick]

31. Lol - AND denial! :)

[itcfish]

118. Obama Supporters Have

been royally duped, I don't think you should be calling anyone stupid!

[bonito]

42. Please

That term is very hurting, both my parents were deaf and were referred to as such when I was young ;(
and farther than the truth as one could be. Peace

on edit, some back round info on the term.http://www.nad.org/site/pp.asp?c=foINKQMBF&b=103786

[polichick]

46. I was actually referring to blind, deaf and dumb loyalty...

...in the sense of not seeing, not hearing and not speaking up about what the campaign is doing. No offense toward the deaf intended.

[loyalsister]

114. Thanks for speaking up

People rarely speak out about the way some language is carelessly used because it has been accepted for so long.
Referring to some deficit or general disfunction with language that is representative of real disability has been embedded in our culture and language for such a long time that it is difficult to get people to stop and think about what it may actually mean to a person who has the disability. I am troubled by the way the word "spineless" is used.

It is uncomfortable to stop and consider the possibility that for a very long time we may have been hurting people's feelings. It's easier to deny it and defend thoughts and behavior. We see it with racism, sexism, and any other stereotype.

[bonito]

124. It was never considered a disability but normal

Being one of five siblings we faired well, and in some regards better than most, active interpersonal relationships with fewer words, a finer tuning to situations, body language, eyes mostly, with sight only, it can be helpfull at times.

[loyalsister]

127. I understand what you're saying.

"Disability" is a word that has some different implications. For many people it's a very offensive word.
For some, having a "disability" is just belonging to a club where people have physical, sensory, emotional, cognitive, etc differences. So that they fall away from the classic categorization of "normal." The label disability has been imposed by society.
Some people hate it, some people own it.

Just as you said, the reality is that the experience of difference is simply a normal human experience.
People can even gain strengths through intimate familiarity with their weaknesses.

[bonito]

129. Lol I understand

More times than not silence is golden, but I can see where it can be a weakness as well, interesting subject.

[quantass]

83. Lol, you guys always make me laugh! Cheers!

:rofl:

[billbuckhead]

5. Hillary wins the big states and the Clinton era was the best in history

Hillary's opponent is just a male model reading some other guy's speeches about hope and bullshit like that.

[Roland99]

7. Nice GOP talking points there.

[tekisui]

8. "Clinton era was the best in history"?

wow.

[cliffordu]

80. LOL!!!!

Most Excellent!!!

:rofl:
:hi:

[BornBlue]

93. and. . .

She is just the former first lady, who has been involved in more scandals pertaining to her "judgment" then I care to even think about. I trust the guy who speeches are inspiring and has a relatively clean record, over the woman who has proven she has no integrity left.

[Hepburn]

102. John McCain....is that you?

:eyes:

[Blue_Roses]

103. are you nuts?

Yes, it was good in the '90's but there were also a lot of VERY BAD decisions that set us back and gave us Bush.

[NightWatcher]

2. they belong to a cult?

denying reason, insulting anyone who disagrees with them to include previously respected members of the media (Keith O).......

[helderheid]

6. I don't want to agree with you.

[HughMoran]

22. You're talking about Obama supporters, right?

Because that is the way many of us see Obama supporters.

[Zuiderelle]

4. You people are so histrionic.

:eyes:

[Monty__]

12. We're histrionic?

Is that a diagnosis?

And....if you disagree, defend her. Right here, right now.

[Zuiderelle]

24. Why, yes histrionic. That's my assessment.

:shrug:

I have no need to defend Hillary. She doesn't need my defense.

[Monty__]

36. So you're ok with what she's done?

And with the way her campaign is being run.

[Zuiderelle]

44. I'm not "ok" with what either one has done. But Obama represents more of a threat to my equality.

And that's the only difference I can see between the two. I don't need to defend anyone. I'm just choosing the one who will represent my priorities in a more productive and supportive way. As opposed to the one who would let his religion dictate his decisions in that regard and has exhibited that he is incapable of changing that. Pretty simple choice actually.

[Monty__]

51. So you have no problem...

with someone who would rather have a Republican in the White House if she can't win herself?

[Zuiderelle]

87. I have a problem with people who spin words into something they never were.

Which you just did.

[Monty__]

131. I'm not spinning words

that's my assessment.

[SeaLyons]

95. OMG....get real

stop posting just to hear yourself type. Hillary is a DEMOCRAT - what you just said is a lie and makes no sense (and you know it).

[Monty__]

105. Then tell her to act for the good of the party

her actions are meant for one thing and one thing only. A Hillary nomination. If not, she's giving the election to McCain. You get real and step back and look at it without your Hillary colored glasses on.

[SeaLyons]

109. No, you're wrong again...

she is running for the nomination for the good of this country. Her passion in getting universal health care passed is what gets her up in the morning. Her entire adult life has been spent giving to this country. Trust me, my glasses are clear, and Hillary gets my support all the way to the White House. Don't give me that McCain crap. I don't buy it.

[Monty__]

120. Of course you don't buy it

How good is McCain's healthcare plan? Hillary doesn't seem to mind it since what's she's doing is hurting the chances for a Dem to be elected.....and opening the door for Bush III.

[AlinPA]

122. You should know that Clinton really lost trust from the Obama supporters when

she belittled, insulted and mocked them in the RI speech where she did that "celestial" thing as she mocked his message of hope and change. That really turned me.

[cliffordu]

81. What equality?

:shrug:

[Zuiderelle]

88. What equality? Are you kidding? Marriage equality.

[LostinVA]

106. Keep an eye

On this one. Seriously.

[Zuiderelle]

110. Thanks for the tip.

Added...

;) Keep your enemies closer and all.

[cliffordu]

113. What are you talking about?

Is there some equality that you now have that he threatens??

If your statement is about gay marriage, it's a specious argument at best; Perhaps a misunderstanding of what a President is capable of and what he/she is NOT capable of. At worst it is just a straw man argument you can use to be mad all the time and focus your rage on Obama for your inability to move this culture towards acceptance.

I would have given you the right to marry 30 years ago. Anything less than full rights under the Constitution is completely unacceptable to me.

Not even "The Monster" can herd Congress into acceptance of gay marriage when the Fake Christian Nascar dad asshole mentality is the predominant 'culture' here.

An effort at the local level might be the best way to go: How many states need to have a legal acceptance of gay marriage to create the overwhelming argument for a national law for it? When the rednecks and dipshits complain, tell them your argument is about STATES' RIGHTS. The right wingers respond to that phrase like it's porn.

If you think Hillary Clinton is going to do a fucking bit more for you than Obama as President, I believe you are sadly mistaken. At least neither Democratic candidate will offer a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

You can say that if Obama was serious about Gay Rights he'd disavow Mcclurkin or whatever his name is, and maybe that's so.

But blaming Obama on an internet message board for not having all your civil rights just seems a little too easy, a little lazy and quite disingenuous. Hiring some asshat singer who cannot face his own sexuality is a little short of the homophobe mark, isn't it?

My landlord really is a homophobe. I hate him for that but support him with money because I like living on the two acres I live on. What does that make me? One thing it makes me is someone with deer and a bobcat wandering through my front yard. Where do I draw the line? I won't tolerate homophobic remarks by my family or friends but I also need a place to live.

I say, if You're serious about getting what you want, and you're so fucking mad, get your ass out on the barricades NOW and fight for it. That's what happened at Stonewall, isn't it? Sending nasty comments to an internet message board is something anyone with a beef and DSL can accomplish.

Changing the law and the view of the American public will take more work. I'm with you until the baby gets tossed with the bath water, logically speaking.


Oh, yeah, that comment about "keeping and eye on this one"? Do it, you might learn something.

[Zuiderelle]

119. The choice is between someone who believes that we should have equality and one who doesn't.

It doesn't require so many words to explain it, really. He has stated that his religious beliefs cause him to be opposed to gay marriage. That's really all I need to hear. I don't want a president who allows his religion to dictate anything. And definitely not one who will absolutely stand in the way of progress for my civil rights.

Who's sending nasty comments, anyway? And who's mad here? Sounds like you are dissembling.

[cliffordu]

121. OOOOPS!!!

PelosiFan - I was responding to another post and hit reply on yours instead. I was wrong and I apologize for the challenge....except for the line you agreed with about 'keeping an eye on this one"

This one what??

I am not your enemy. I just want fact based discourse, or at least arguments based on reality.....

I am unaware of any current statement by him that categorically rejects gay marriage.

You wouldn't have a link to a current statement by Obama concerning his stance in this matter, would you?


Dissembling? Hardly. Creative insult, though.

I still think thinking nationally and working locally is the way to do it, without giving the white house back to the fucking republicants.

But then again, your mileage may vary.

[Blondiegrrl]

125. Hillary doesn't support gay marriage either.

And what about that farcical "don't ask, don't tell" policy during Billy's reign? That to me was an insult to gays.

I wish Obama supported gay marriage.

I wish Hillary supported gay marriage.

But neither of them do. They support civil unions. If gay marriage is the single most important issue to you, then you should have been backing Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel.

[Zuiderelle]

138. Thanks for the condescending post.

No, gay marriage is not the single most important issue to me, but since both of them are equal aside from that one issue, then it does rise to the top. I would back Dennis Kucinich if he was in the race still. Did you know that he is not?

Barack has clearly shut the door to gay marriage because of his religion, and Hillary has left it open, if ever so slightly. I also believe that by now she would have apologized for having someone like McClurkin speak for her. But we'll never know. All I know is that he has not.

[Zuiderelle]

45. dupe

[peacebird]

15. Pelosi has been a HUGE disappointment & Clinton absolutely disgusts me at this point

Ferraro slammed Jesse Jackson when he was running for president by saying basically the same thing she just said about Obama, and of course we all know how "lucky" it is to be born as anything OTHER than pure WHITE in America.... :sarcasm:

[Zuiderelle]

21. Ferraro is not Clinton. You people keep insisting that McClurkin is not Obama.

What's good for the geese and all that.

[peacebird]

49. "you people"? I have never supported McClurkins statements... I have always been a vocal supporter

of GLBT rights and EQUALITY for all.

Nice attempt at a smear though...

:eyes:

[Zuiderelle]

90. Too bad that your candidate doesn't share your support for equality.

[Monty__]

60. You people?

I'm an Edwards supporter who has been pushed into the Obama camp by Clinton's tactics and those of her "people".

[Zuiderelle]

94. And I was pushed to Hillary's camp because of Obama's anti-gay rights issues.

[Monty__]

19. Still waiting

for the defense

[Zuiderelle]

27. For what, are you boiling water?

Two minutes waiting? You're a bit impatient aren't you?

[Monty__]

54. And still no logical defense

just as I thought

[nebula]

Overdosed on the Kool-aid

[mckara]

9. I Don't Know, She's Pretty Disgusting!!!!!!

Some people wear blinders when it comes to seeing what they cannot accept.

[rug]

10. If a third of what you wrote was true I'd agree with you.

[Monty__]

23. So what's not true?

please, someone defend her.

[Johnny__Motown]

13. They don't care about the party or the nation, only what they want. Pure selfishness at it's worst

[ExtraGriz]

34. i think this apply to both sides

[Johnny__Motown]

48. I disagree, Sen. Obama is not doing anything to harm our party's chances in the GE

Unlike Hillary praising McCain.... (among other things)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[LVjinx]

123. "Hillary Clinton is a liar who will say anything" won't be used against her in the GE?

You are really, truly, out of your mind.

[KaptBunnyPants]

14. They'll find a way.

nm

[high density]

16. Pat Buchanan is on MSNBC defending her and Ferraro

He's always a great one to have on your side.

[Johnny__Motown]

18. I think Monty meant any Dem

[Monty__]

30. Sort of

I meant any real Hillary supporter. I know why Pat and Rush are "supporting" her.

[ExtraGriz]

40. dont she have half the democratic primary votes?

so what you just said is pointless and irrelevant

[Johnny__Motown]

50. not quite half.. the point is that she is despicable and an embarrassment to all of us

[Monty__]

57. No

First she doesn't and second did you know that a lot of Republicans voted for Clinton in Texas and probably other places as well?

[Johnny__Motown]

67. I agree, she does not have half.... wtf was that?

[slinkerwink]

43. yeah, a white supremacist on your side is GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY!

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Narcissism

She has it and her supporters are catching it.

[MadMaddie]

20. I was just commenting about this...I voted for Hillary in the WA

caucus...but I can't understand how her campaign continues to make blunder after blunder.

I do believe Geraldine Ferraro should be fired her comments are much worse than the women who just stepped down from Obama's campaign.

I knew in my heart that the race card would be played by the Republicans I just didn't expect it from one of our Democratic Candidates. I say that because Hillary is not going to ask for Geraldine Ferraro's resignation or fire her. And then to add more to my dismay they send out Hillary's black campaign manager to attack Obama defending himself.



I am not blinded by loyalty to either candidate, the bottom line to me is that the Democratic party win. I don't agree that winning at all cost by destroying the reputation of the other Democratic competitor is the way to do it.

[janetblond]

28. And that DESPICABLE SENILE Geraldine Ferraro

what a racist ol' bitty!
I will NEVER vote for Billary!
SHAME on THEM!

[walldude]

38. Agreed.. it's these tactics that put me in Obama's camp...

And agreed that the party needs to win. I'll still vote for Hillary if she gets the nom but she's looking like more of the same as each day passes. I believe these tactics are costing her more supporters than it's gaining her...

[americanstranger]

25. Short answer - no, they cannot.

But they'll give you a double helping of 'You're a sexist' in place of any cogent defense.

They seem to be turning into rage-aholics. Not all of them, but a damn good number of them.

- as

[Generator]

26. Pantsuit fetishists?

The just won't come clean about it.

[Skip Intro]

29. (((rovian tactics))) (((rovian tactics))) (((rovian tactics)))

welcome to DU

[Swamp Rat]

32. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Taxmyth]

33. Still supporting Hillary here

She can win the General Election and Senator Obama cannot. Probably the biggest reason I'm still in her camp. I don't see Senator Obama drawing the votes from traditional GOP voters the way I do her. Sex and Race play huge roles in this election cycle and anyone who denies that is, well, in denial. About 90% of my family are staunch GOP supporters and I hear what they say fairly often - the men say no to Senators Clinton and Obama (and the language they use would get me banned). But many of the women WOULD cross over and vote for Senator Clinton.

Yeah, so my family is screwed up, you don't have to tell me that. But I don't think they're much different than many other families from the baby boom generation who make up a large portion of American voters.

A President Obama might be good, but it ain't gonna happen.

A President McCain would suck

A President Clinton would suck less and is actually doable.

[Laelth]

58. Welcome to DU!

While I disagree with your assessment (I think BO can win and HRC doesn't stand a chance), I appreciate that you have thought about the matter and made a rational argument from your perspective.

Hang tough. This place can get a little rough.

:toast:

-Laelth

[Taxmyth]

64. a big Thank You!

Reasonable people can have reasonable differences of opinion but we all want the same things in the end and they are a Democratic Party President and a majority in the House and Senate.

[Monty__]

62. Based on what?

She's awake at 3am waiting for the phone to ring to talk to the foreign leaders who were in power when Bill was President? Wonder how long she's going to sit in the Oval Office waiting for Yeltsin to call. Or Tony Blair, or Yasser Arafat, or ....notice the trend?

[Taxmyth]

63. If you are suggesting

that Senator Obama has more foreign contacts or more current contacts, I haven't been made aware of that information. Frankly, the scenario you described leaves the two Senators with about the same experience level though I would give Senator Clinton the SLIGHT advantage from her years in the White House and her longer tenure as a Senator of the United States.

It comes down to elect-ability. I don't see Senator Obama as drawing traditional GOP voters across party lines in the same numbers that Senator Clinton will. This theory is based on anecdotal evidence, granted. Bottom line, Senator Clinton CAN be elected as President of the United States and if she is the Democratic Party nominee, will be. Senator Obama cannot be elected. This is opinion, not fact, and I'm not ashamed when my opinions are proven wrong. If he's the nominee, he has my vote. But in my opinion he will not have enough others voting for him to beat Senator McCain.

I want a Democratic President, either Senators Clinton or Obama. Neither would be my first choice but these are the choices I have.

[Monty__]

65. Wow

You seriously think Hillary can draw Repubs? They've hated her for going on 15+ years now.

[Taxmyth]

77. She sure can

As I was saying earlier, I have heard from more than a few women in my family and elsewhere, traditional GOP voters, that they would vote for Hillary. Granted, they say this out of earshot of their significant others and their reasons are totally sexist but these are words I have NEVER heard these people utter.

The men? No how, no way. But that's for either of the two Democratic Party candidates. It's the secret ballot process that will get Senator Clinton a share of Republican voters.

[Monty__]

133. And what about the one's you haven't spoken to?

Look at Hillary's unfavorables in the polls.

[BornBlue]

98. I disagree, but respect you well thought out response

Too many republicans HATE Hillary, and they will come out in droves to make sure she can't win. I come from a very similar family, I am the lone liberal, but my folks have said if Obama is the dem nominee, they will sit this one out, if Hillary is they will vote for McCain. I think that is something that we all need to consider when we talk about electability in the GE.

[SeaLyons]

101. Great Post and I agree with you....

welcome to DU.


:hi:

[progdog]

35. Name recognition?

That's the only reason I can think of.

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

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[DesertFlower]

39. i always said that if she were the nominee

i would support her. after her 5 endorsements of McCain last week, i decided that i can't.

[berni_mccoy]

The same loyalty that keeps Bush at a 19% approval rating.

[OzarkDem]

41. How can anyone defend Obama?

His dirty tricks campaigning, reminiscent of the GOP is incredibly offensive and is not winning him any voters. Women voters are turning away from him.

His divisiveness and refusal to campaign on the issues is hurting him.

[ExtraGriz]

47. latinos, asians and glbt have turned away from him also

[Monty__]

66. If Obama is divisive....

What is Clinton, at least as far as the Party goes? She's basically said McCain is better suited to being president than Obama. This means she doesn't care if a Republican is elected if she's not the nominee. That's unacceptable. If that's the way she believes let her start her own party.

[BlueStater]

52. It's easy when you believe the accusations made against her by Mr. "Hope" supporters ...

...are little more than crybaby temper tantrums.

[TheDeathadder]

53. Comparing Clinton to Rove is bullshit

and the more Obama (and Edwards) people say it the more it's turning Clinton people off to Obama. With all the vile and terrible things Rove has done, I have a hard time seeing Obama people as Democrats when they compare her to Rove.

It's total bullshit

[Monty__]

68. Really?

So the 3am ad was nothing like the "Wolves" ad run against Kerry in '04?

[XemaSab]

84. So last week when the Clinton CAMPAIGN compared Obama to Rove

what did you think about that? :shrug:

[grassfed]

55. How to defend Hillary

I support and defend Hillary's vote against Amendment No. 4882 because I approve of the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.

I support and defend Hillary's vote in favor of Bankruptcy bill (S.256) because some people in debt should not be protected.

I support and defend Hillary's vote in favor of the "Iraq War Resolution: Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" for an unprovoked illegal war on Iraq.

I support and defend Hillary's vote in favor of the Kyle/Lieberman bill because the US should take unprovoked military action against Iran.

I support and defend Hillary's vote in favor of the USA PATRIOT Act to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other purposes which include the detention of US citizens without trial and prosecution of non-terrorist alleged future crimes such as "eco terrorism" and "animal rights terrorism".

I support and defend Hillary's refusal to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge because Americans should be allowed to torture.



I'm curious to see how many Hillary supporters can rebut this without mentioning Obama.

[IndianaGreen]

61. Oh, but they will mention and blame Obama

Hillary has never taken responsibility for her actions and she always blames others for her failures. This is characteristic trait of a sociopath. Bush is like that, and so is Hillary.

[Melinda]

96. Your post desrves its own thread... HRC supporters on this thread will ignore you....

Seriously. Straight forward and to the point. Posts like yours are almost always ignored by her supporters as there simply is no defense.

Great post.

[grassfed]

108. ok i'll post it as a thread

thanks

[rug]

56. Rovian tactics: Though the chant is repeated, not an instance is cited.

Calling hardball Rovian does not make it so. Equating Clinton to Rove is ludicrous.

She prefers McCain: Complete bullshit. Saying he has more experience is not expressing a preference in the GE.

She'll trust Obama that he's not a Muslim: By this I take it you are inferring that he implied he is. More nonsense.

Asking Obama to be her VP: Look again. She never asked him. Floating the idea is political, not arrogant.

I'm just shocked: I'm sure you are. Here are your winnings.

[Monty__]

71. How hard is it to understand?

Let's look at the points you raise:

1. Equating Clinton to Rove is ludicrous.
Her 3am ad is right up Rove's alley....very similar fear mongering to the "wolves" ad in '04

2.he prefers McCain: Complete bullshit. Saying he has more experience is not expressing a preference in the GE
Again, way to miss the point. She might not favor McCain but she certainly is helping him and hurting Obama in the GE. Is Clinton still a Democrat? Will she still support the Democratic nominee? Why is she giving fuel to the Republicans? Let them figure it out on their own. Does she care about winning so badly that she's willing to take down the party with her and leave America with 4 more years of Bush...err McCain.

3. She'll trust Obama that he's not a Muslim: By this I take it you are inferring that he implied he is. More nonsense.
Again, you miss the point or bigger picture. How hard would it have been to say "No he's not a Muslim"? Saying what she said does not close the door on this point. It says "well he's not because he said he's not". It doesn't say "He is not, because it's a fact that he's not" And if you think I'm plying with words here you're wrong. There's a reason she didn't come out and say "He's not a Muslim, period, fact, end of story".

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. It never ceases to amaze me how real Dems can defend Hillary.

[Catherina]

69. Oh they'll find a way

Right now they're reeling in shock because they're SO disconnected from reality that they're stunned at how America is rejecting their racism but they'll be back. Give it one or two more sunsets.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

70. you asked.......

[Monty__]

72. No you did not defend Hillary

you merely tried to bash Obama. Defend Hillary's actions and the actions of her supporters like Ferraro.

[tabasco]

73. LOL. A cartoon is all you got.

In other words, you ain't got nothing to defend the pandering, cowardly, craven H. Clinton.

[Beacool]

99. Yep, that's how I feel about him too.

All stalk and no action (nor experience).

[CreekDog]

74. Ask her

[Monty__]

75. Yeah, no thanks

she's so 1984

[jconner27]

76. Obama supporters will learn their lesson

Alright I have to say you Obama supporters make Bush supporters look more human all I seen lately are Obama supporters acting cult followers or worst hard-core Bush supporters if people don't tow the line of how great Obama is. If you prefer Obama over Hillary fine, but sounding like Republicans seems to rip her seems like a punk ass move to me. I admit I support Hillary Clinton but had no issues switching my support over once she lost, but fuck that I don't want to be a member of a party that demands to lose elections every two to four years. As for the comment power hungry Jesus I guess Bartcop was right Democrats have got used to losing because they don't know what a fighting campaign looks like, is this primary main function is winning? But than again when you watch boxing you don't expect one fighter working too hard to beat the other.

Another subject the talking point Obama supporters from the average Obama supporter that touches him or herself during one of his speeches to that human toad stool Randi Rhodes like to say everyday it's the math.. I'm looking at the states Hillary pulling in the major ones, Obama pulling in Republican ones. One since when did the Republicans have a say on whom the Dems picked to run for president? And two are those states really going to Obama in the fall?

If the Dems want to lose so badly, I'm going to do my part and stay home on election night.

[iconicgnom]

78. Obama

Obama
Obama need only stay on message.

At this point he has no need to attack Hillary, or bother much about counterattacking either. Beyond setting the record straight, and reaffirming reality.

He's perfectly free to spend 100% of real-time on destroying McCain.

[Beacool]

79. Too late and too tired to refute most of what you wrote.

Either way, I and millions of others (almost 13M so far) support Hillary and don't give a rat's tail end who likes it or not. On the other hand, I for one can't understand how some people can support a guy who's as slick as an oil spill and as smooth as a used car salesman.

To each his own..........

[David Zephyr]

82. Monty, the Clintons are not going to stop. Race is their only weapon now against Obama.

And they are using it with abandon.

Don't count on them to drop out regardless of what happens. Brace yourself.

[Major Hogwash]

85. Where are her tax returns?

I don't understand how someone who has blown through so much money in 3 months can call themselves "fiscally responsible".

[indimuse]

86. GO HILLARY!

!!!

[bigtree]

89. we don't believe bullshit like you just posted.

simple.

[Monty__]

135. BS?....oh, you mean facts?

hmmm....

[Medusa]

91. How can they claim he has no experience

when he's been an elected official FAR longer than she has? :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[rodeodance]

100. Referring to voters you do not know as Bigots is wrong.SHAME ON YOU.

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92. Hillary's support crew is down to old, less-educated white women and bigots. That's just the facts

per the polls, period.

[ecstatic]

97. McCain told his surrogates to cease and desist immediately with unfair attacks

McCain has a lifetime of integrity, Obama has a lifetime of integrity... Hillary Clinton? Well, you'll just have to ask her about that. All she has is a pro-war speech in 2002... (As far as I know!)

[BigDDem]

104. "How can anyone defend Hillary at this point?"

Check with the voters of CA, TX, OH, NY, NJ, MA and all the other big states...

Don't ask in Utah, Vermont, or Idaho.
Oh, or the Democrats Abroad.

[Monty__]

107. Like the Repubs in TX that voted for Hillary?

Or the fact that many people in CA voted early and likely many would have voted for Obama if they voted on primary day?

[BigDDem]

111. Right, keep tellin' yourself that

Like I said earlier today...

republican votes for Obama - Terrific!
republican votes for Hillary Terrible!

[Monty__]

136. Well....yes

when Republicans say they're voting for Hillary because they want to face her in the GE....yes, that's terrible.

[SeaLyons]

112. ,,

:thumbsup:

Go Hillary!!!!!

[BenDavid]

115. Monty, you are starting from the wrong premise. Go back to

December 2006 most likely the first time obama played the race card. Race, said Obama,"is still a factor." Minority candidates have "a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters." That is a laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process.

Skip forward to January 2008. Again, Obama played the race card, but this time blamed HRC.Who was the one person that would benefit by having dems go after dems? obama and his staff with a willing whoremedia. The Clintons had NO REASON to interject race into this campaign. "The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters."


"A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters."


Is obama running on a platform of trying to separate people?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

116. Sort weird variation on Stockholm Syndrome.

As far as I know.

[itcfish]

117. What is to Defend?

Do you defend Obama's admiration of Reagan?

[JBoy]

126. Hillary's support will reach 29% at T=infinity.

That will define her base.

[elixir]

128. I support Hillary. She's intelligent, experienced, globally knowledgeable, articulate...

humorous, compassionate, insightful.

Twisting her words and actions doesn't make your candidate any stronger. Much of what you refer to has been debunked.

Take comfort in that your candidate is ahead and may very well may take the nomination. But until Hillary can no longer statistically win this race, I will support her. This deal is not done.

[Rockholm]

130. EASY.

[McCamy Taylor]

132. The Rovian tactics are being employed by the right wing against Obama and Hillary.

Invariably Drudge or some other site says "Obama is a Muslim/terrorist/Black separatist and Hillary made us say it". Then the MSM talks about it for days. This has been going on for over a year. I had better to work on my new journal "The Press v. Barack Obama" not that it will change any minds around here. Too many people want to believe that Hillary owns the corporate media . Though if she was that rich I am not sure why she would bother running for president. And they believe that Drudge and Fox and the Washington Times worship her. That is why they are always calling her a Lesbian devil worshiping bitch.

:rofl:

[Pushed To The Left]

134. Obama's my first choice, and I don't like a lot of things she has said, but she is still 1000 times

better than John McCain. We can't allow 3 more right wing Justices on the Supreme Court.

[Monty__]

137. I never once said I wouldn't support Hillary in the GE

I will vote for her if she's the nominee. That's only because I'm a Democrat. I have lost a lot of respect for the Clintons (and I spent almost my entire college career defending both of them).