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Tue Mar-11-08 08:22 PM
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Interesting exit poll results from MS primary, 1524 Respondents. |
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EXIT POLLS: Mississippi, page 2 Opinion of John McCain Clinton Obama Favorable (37%) 62% 37% Unfavorable (60%) 29% 71%
How would the Obama supporters vote if Clinton was candidate, for Clinton or McCain or other? How would the Clinton supporters vote if Obama was candidate, for Obama or McCain or other?
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:25 PM
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1. Unfortunately, this is so much not a surprise |
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:31 PM
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3. Another stat for MS 2004 election, Bush (672,660) & Kerry (457,766). n/t |
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:25 PM
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2. Another statistic from the same poll: |
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Over 50% of Obama voters have a favourable opinion of Clinton. Just 16% of Clinton voters have a favourable opinion of Obama.
Coupled with the above, the logical conclusion: the majority of Hillary's support in Mississippi isn't coming from Democrats. She wouldn't break 30% without the Republican crossover, probably.
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:35 PM
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4. Page 4 says 13% Republican; 77% for Clinton and 23% for Obama. n/t |
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:18 PM
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that means that 10% of the voters were republicans who voted for Hillary. Odd that that didn't happen until after McCain locks the pub nomination. must be coincidence.
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:21 PM
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25. See #24 citing IL where BO received most of the crossover votes. n/t |
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Tue Mar-11-08 11:53 PM
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BIG BIG difference from "Before republicans have a nominee" to "after republicans have a nominee and further repub primarys become totaly redundant and trouble making costs them nothing"
Also note a big difference from a Limbaugh surge in Mississippi and a crossover voting in a popular senators HOME state.
Pull the other one.
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Wed Mar-12-08 06:57 AM
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29. BO benefited from crossover voting in CA, TX, and NY. n/t |
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Wed Mar-12-08 05:16 PM
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Big difference between crossover voting before the pub nominee chosen and double agent voting after the nominee is chosen. Hillarys republican supporter numbers suddenly spiked in TX and Ohio, and now Mississippi. Weird that, eh?
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Wed Mar-12-08 07:09 AM
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31. Could that be the Limbaugh effect? Apparently 11% of votes were uninspired by either candidate |
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Are we looking at the same people?
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:43 PM
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5. Is it an open election? |
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:46 PM
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7. Yeah, open election.... |
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lot of GOP crossover for Hillary, from exit poll data.
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:24 PM
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11. Has BO won a single closed primary? If yes, please cite it. n/t |
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:28 PM
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12. Maryland, Maine, Louisiana, Connecticut, Kansas, Delaware, Alaska, Wyoming... |
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stupid question, that (in its insinuations especially).
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:45 PM
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13. Thanks for your answer but you are wrong, see actual results below re closed primary. |
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Maryland, Dem. 84%, Rep. 3%, Ind. 13% (1,324 Respondents). Maine, caucuses not a primary. Louisiana, Dem. 83%, Rep. 5%, Ind. 12% (1,183 Respondents). Connecticut, Dem. 80%, Rep. 2%, Ind. 18% (1,178 Respondents). Kansas, caucuses not a primary. Delaware, Dem. 83%, Rep. 1%, Ind. 15% (690 Respondents). Alaska, caucuses not a primary. Wyoming, caucuses not a primary.
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:47 PM
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14. Caucus or primary, it's the 'closed' part that matters. |
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Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 09:47 PM by Spider Jerusalem
The idea that only promaries count is nonsense. And if you already know the answer, why ask the question?
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:52 PM
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16. My question was re "closed primary". Has BO won one? If yes please cite it. |
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This is a primary to select the Democratic Party candidate and that is supposed to be the choice of members of the Democratic Party, not members of the Republican Party, nor any other party.
It also means that people from outside a congressional district should not be allowed to vote in a closed primary.
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:55 PM
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and given reports of GOP crossover for Hillary in OH, TX and now MS, your argument is absurd anyway (as it seems directed specifically against Obama).
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:06 PM
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18. My question is directed against BO because he has won in states with open caucuses, states with |
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primaries that permit crossover voting allowing Repugs and others to vote for BO because they believe he is the easier candidate to beat in the GE, and in southern states where crossover voting and a 40% plus African American group that block vote (70% to 95%) for BO in states that BO is not likely to win in the GE.
The issue for the Democratic Party is which candidate can win in the GE.
IMO that question cannot be answered with the flawed caucus/primary system we are using.
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:10 PM
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19. Most of the recent crossover voting has been for Hillary. |
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Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:10 PM by Spider Jerusalem
The Republicans WANT Hillary to be nominated. More right-wingers HATE, and I mean absolutely flat-out loathe, Hillary than any other Democrat we could nominate. They will turn out in DROVES to vote against any ticket with her on it. There is no way in HELL Hillary is a better general election candidate, not with her negatives, and I have money that says she gets her ass handed to her by McCain in the unlikely event that she gets the nomination.
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:12 PM
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20. Please show facts that support your assertion re "crossover voting has been for Hillary." n/t |
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 PM
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22. See your own response in this thread. Number four. |
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Is your short-term memory REALLY that bad?
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:18 PM
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24. See Illinois 6% Rep. 36% Clinton - 60% Obama & 16% Ind. 22% Clinton - 72% Obama |
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Tue Mar-11-08 11:28 PM
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26. So Republican crossover is only bad if it's for Obama? |
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Republicans voting for Hillary is okay? Is that what you're saying? Because it sounds like it. You keep bringing up Obama, like some sort of broken record, and don't seem to want to acknowledge that the same thing has been happening and benefiting Hillary. That's just ludicrous.
And certain states have open primaries; it's the system we have, you don't get to argue against it. I'm not going to make the argument that Clinton should lose the percentage of delegates she gained in Mississippi from Republican votes.
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Wed Mar-12-08 06:55 AM
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28. No, I believe crossover is not correct because it's not consistent with the idea of a party. |
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IMO the Democratic Party should not allow anyone who is not a declared member of the Dem party to vote in primaries and voters should not be allowed to vote outside the precinct authorized by their state.
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:00 PM
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10. Yep, Barack is running against Hillary's campaign and the Republicans trying to help her via Rush at |
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Tue Mar-11-08 09:50 PM
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15. Hillary cannot win the Democrat nomination without a Republican crossover vote. |
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Since the Republican primaries are essentially over and McCain is going to be their candidate, the Clinton campaign is using racism and scare tactics to encourage Republicans to vote for her in Democratic primaries to thwart the desire of a majority of Democrats (as seen in the races he has won) for Obama to be our candidate in the general election.
When Clinton effectively endorsed McCain claiming that that Republican buffoon would be a better Commander-in-Chief than Obama, she showed how desperate she is to win the nomination in spite of her actions harming the Democratic Party. We can no longer look at Ferraro's race baiting as a slip of the tongue. It follows a SCORCHED EARTH campaign strategy of Hillary Clinton, even though it is fracturing our party.
I was never a fan of either Clinton. Bill brought us NAFTA, media deregulation, repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, and Republican sponsored, so-called welfare reform. All of these actions accelerated the downward spiral for all Americans (except for the super rich). The good job situation in the late 1990's was due to the technology boom that just happened to occur on his watch. That boom ended with the massive offshoring of the U.S.-developed technology to Asian countries by the multinational corporations, an outsourcing made easier and more profitable by trade agreements such as NAFTA.
Clinton's campaign strategy, made transparent in the past few weeks as she has been losing to Obama, indicate that she is unsuitable to be president. She has shown that she will sacrifice the good of the party and the country to realize her personal ambitions.
Clinton's strategy seems to be that if she is not the nominee, she will vilify the Democratic candidate (apparently Obama) so that the Democrat will lose. Then in 2012, Clinton will run an I-told-you-so campaign claiming that if she is the candidate, the Democrats will win. Sorry, Hillary. Your actions will have so egregiously fractured the Democratic Party that it will no longer be viable.
Democrats, to save the party, must rally around Obama and send a message to Clinton to shut down her campaign, so that our strongest candidate, Barack Obama, can concentrate on defeating John McCain in November.
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:45 PM
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6. 11% are uninspired by BOTH candidates... |
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And they're breaking for Hillary 9 to 1
The election is being Freeped.
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:47 PM
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Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 08:48 PM by swishyfeet
Stupid errors.
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Tue Mar-11-08 08:57 PM
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9. To answer my own question hypothetically, over 62% of the respondents for Clinton would vote |
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for McCain if Obama was the candidate guaranteeing Obama would lose Mississippi based on *'s win in MS by about 215,000 votes in 2004.
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Wed Mar-12-08 07:05 AM
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30. Having a favorable opinion of the other party's candidate |
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does not indicate that you would vote for that candidate simply because the candidate of your own party that you prefer doesn't get the nomination. Having a favorable opinion of the other party's candidate doesn't necessarily imply anything about how you will vote.
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Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 PM
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21. Most of the Clinton voters were Republicans trying to win it for McCain! |
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so, I wouldn't take MS so seriously!
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