*******Push Us Around at Your Peril*******

[LulaMay]

by Deidre Depke

Newsweek

March 17th

Ask any woman over 35, Clinton supporter or not: the media hate Hillary. After all, reliable voices of the left—Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd—have launched scathing critiques of her campaign, her ethics or her motives. Samantha Power, a Time contributing editor and hero of the human-rights crowd, was forced to resign from the Obama campaign last week after calling Clinton a "monster." Rolling Stone endorsed the Illinois senator with an almost beatific painting on its cover. And then there's Chris Matthews. If just half the people who have bashed Matthews for anti-Clinton rhetoric had ever actually tuned in to his program, he'd have ratings to reckon with.

-snip-

According to the nonpartisan Center for Media and Public Affairs....: from December to mid-February, 83 percent of network-news coverage of Obama was positive. For Clinton, the number was 53 percent. After Super Tuesday, the study says, even as Clinton supporters demanded more-balanced coverage, Obama's proportion of good press dropped only to 67 percent, while Clinton's remained at about 50 percent.

-snip-

Voters young and old—particularly women—have rallied to her side when what they see as the drumbeat of anti-Clinton rhetoric beats loudest. After her humiliating loss in Iowa, female voters in New Hampshire rushed in to save Clinton's candidacy. Hillary's support among women jumped from 30 percent in the caucuses to 46 percent in the Granite State. The pattern repeated itself in Ohio and Texas. After a losing streak in 11 states, much of the press had given her up for dead. On Monday, editors around the nation began querying their Clinton embeds: where and when will the withdrawal speech take place? Then women rallied again, with 67 percent of Ohio's white females and 63 percent of Latina women in Texas casting a ballot for Clinton.

-snip-

These voters were energized by relentless campaigning by Clinton and a cycle of bad news for Obama—not just what they saw as the negative coverage. But it was a bit by "Saturday Night Live" guest host Tina Fey and Clinton impersonator Amy Poehler that helped send the sisterhood to the polls, armed and outraged.

Fey: Maybe what bothers me the most is that people say that Hillary is a bitch. Let me say something about that: yeah, she is. So am I, and so is this one.

Poehler: Yeah, deal with it.

Fey: You know what, bitches get stuff done. That's why Catholic schools use nuns as teachers and not priests. Those nuns are mean old clams and they sleep on cots and they're allowed to hit you. And at the end of the school year you hated those bitches but you knew the capital of Vermont. So, I'm saying it's not too late, Texas and Ohio, bitch is the new black!

-snip-

Unless the press actually wants Clinton to win the White House, it had better stow the sarcastic Hillary one-liners and kill the caustic sound bites. Because nothing makes an American woman as crazy-mad as watching another American woman get pushed around.

© 2008

http://www.newsweek.com/id/120068

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

1. Is that a threat or a rhetorical flourish?

:shrug:

[LulaMay]

7. It is the Newsweek article title. A Rallying cry for pitchforks is a threat. Keep it up people.

[TahitiNut]

16. Where's the LINK???

:eyes:

[LulaMay]

42. bottom of page

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

44. Thanks for editing and supplying the link!

:hi:

[LulaMay]

47. Your welcome!

[tekisui]

2. Obama won the women tonight.

And every age group, expect the senior citizens, 60+.

[LulaMay]

5. In Mississippi. She will win big in Pensylvania. She has carried women voters in huge numbers

those are just the facts

[tekisui]

9. No, not the facts.

She has not won the women by "huge numbers" and her "big win in Pennsylvania" is not a fact.

[tekisui]

10. No, not the facts.

She has not won the women by "huge numbers" and her "big win in Pennsylvania" is not a fact.

[LulaMay]

27. Fact; She got 59% & 57% of female Dem delegates in OH % TX, overall average is higher

deal with it

[skater314159]

30. Delegates from the caucus, not votes from the women...

in Texas.

Learn the diff and deal with it.

[LulaMay]

35. Yes, the overall Dem female vote for her is higher than that, it's been between 59-67%.

[skater314159]

58. Link to that reference? nt

[skater314159]

59. Link please?

[skater314159]

18. Do you know Hilly is stealing the vote in PA for certain?

Because last I checked, the primary is in like six weeks.

Unless you are getting faxes from yourself in the future, you don't know anything about PA results yet.

[skater314159]

19. Dup

This thread is making dup posts... weird

[elixir]

87. Rookie. Currently HRC is favored to win PA by a decent margin but much can happen in 6 wks.

[roguevalley]

152. its 41 days until Pennsylvania and given the ineptitude of the

campaign this week (and its only tuesday) I can only imagine the drop in numbers she will get. She has to win 64% in every remaining contest to win. I don't see it happening. Nor does anyone else who computes these things.

[peacebird]

3. as a 50 year old college educated American woman - HRC must NOT be the nominee

Sorry - totally disagree - I do not vote based on gender, race, or "who I want to have a beer with".

This election is too important.

Hillary is NOT what we need in a president.

[RazBerryBeret]

43. I agree, PeaceBird....

40 year old college educated woman in Ohio. As much as I'd like a female President, Hillary has not made me proud.

[snappyturtle]

74. I agree, RazBerryBeret....

60 year old college educated woman in Texas. Hillary isn't doing women any favors in this campaign.

[elixir]

88. I respectfully disagree, she has shown that woman are smart, capable, insightful and visionary.

[bhikkhu]

102. Those things were already apparent!

[boppers]

128. She's also reinforced some sterotypes.

:(

[skater314159]

149. How? Certainly not through her actions, nor...

through the actions of those who are assisting in her campaign.

What are your standards for "smart", "capable", "insightful" and "visionary"?

I'd recommend raising them a bit.

[marions ghost]

262. HRC = smart and capable

but not insightful and visionary.

That's her problem IMO. She's smart and diligent and determined. But not wise, flexible or innovative.

I see that as a lack in a country's leader. Any smart plodder can become CEO...a talented administrator...but more is required in a leader, especially in this country right now.

[snappyturtle]

284. I disagree to the extent to say that some of Sen.Clinton's tactics

have not put women in a favorable light....that process has eroded and frankly, hurt women. imho

[juajen]

95. Well, my God, we should have just asked you in the first place,

and none of this bickering would have happened. Whodathunkit?

[donheld]

252. well I hope you've learned your lesson, Please see that it doesn't

happen again :D

[Hepburn]

165. 60 year old female w/ bachelors, masters and juris doctorate ~~ no way is HRC my candidate.

She is not my idea of what I admire in any candidate for POTUS and I could not give a shit as to what sex she is. She is bad news whether she is male or female.

JMHO

[LulaMay]

241. A woman with a JD should be able to speak to the issue, that women are angry about sexism

and the way Hillary has been treated. They, we, relate to that, to her....and we are TIRED of being taken for granted and mistreated by this party and the so called 'liberal' media and politics.

That is the issue, not whether you personally want to vote for her or not. Argue your positions about her politics , but you cannot defend or jump over the issue at hand, that women have had enough of it, and are showing it at the voting booth. They believe she's a good woman and candidate, and are APPALLED at how she's characterized and mistreated. They are wives and mothers, and smart women with degrees and jobs where they have to struggle and put up with male dominated garbage every day, only to see a less qualified man promoted more than half the time.

That is why we feel a kinship with her. It's called SISTERHOOD.

[marions ghost]

264. "we are tired of being taken for granted..." etc.

To me that's the important thing to hold onto --about this incredible support for Hillary Clinton. (I'm talking about the honest support, not the closet conservatives).

Apparently Hillary DOES symbolize overcoming male dominance to many women. It has surprised me how much support there is for her for that reason. There is a lot of frustration and anger behind it, I can see that. I even heard an older woman say she was going to vote for Hillary "to punish her husband" for voting for Boosh. Her vote for Hillary was clearly to get back at the men in her life who had dominated her. That seems really sad and misguided, but I do understand it. It's hard for younger women who grew up without so much of this abuse to really comprehend it. I'm in the middle and see both sides. One thing I know, women are certainly NOT equal to men in this country by any means. But Hillary's being elected is not the only answer.

It seems to me that this rather amazing support of women for Hillary is something to work with in the future. It's a strong constituency that, if harnessed, really could bring about some changes, even without Hillary at the helm.

[mckara]

4. Whaaa! Whaaa!

Are you doing what you do best?
:banghead:

[HughMoran]

6. Intelligent response

:hi:

[LulaMay]

11. If there's anything more repetitive and boring on this board, it's the expected infantile cry

[HughMoran]

14. For some reason Obama supporters act like kids

Funny that.

[skater314159]

28. ...of your voice. nt

[HughMoran]

50. That was an infantile response

You couldn't possibly have anything to offer here if you consider that an acceptable response.

[skater314159]

151. Shame and guilt don't manipulate me.

But thanks for demonstrating what works for you.

[LulaMay]

233. It's readily apparent to most that you don't know when you should be ashamed. It's not becoming.

[skater314159]

248. You can't comprehend what you read, can you? nt

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

36. It's tragic how jaded you are by merely perusing DU.

So sad, such a tragic waste of hope and purity.

Damn, another one lost to skepticism; hate when that happens.

:hi: Yay DU!

[LulaMay]

45. This board is out of control with sexist hatred. I have 1000+ posts, but I also have a life.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

53. The sexism is disgusting, especially since the female voice is what gives the D's their groove.

When recognizing women as equal citizens happens, the world will benefit.

:hug:

[LulaMay]

57. That's what women are saying. We're being taken 4 granted. Dem party better wake up.

[Hepburn]

168. I have NEVER considered myself inferior to ANY man...

...NEVER. Why in the hell would I want to devalue myself by thinking I need to move up and become equal to any man? I have already surpassed most of them.

Get a clue, OK? It's women like you IMO who damage other women. You think you have to ask? Fucking take what you want...it does not matter whether you are male or female...just go and get what you want. Put some of the energy you use to whine about "it's not fair" to good use instead.

Just a thought...

[Catherina]

225. A wasted thought but many thanks and best of luck with that Hep n/t

[lojasmo]

8. Hmmm...the "red phone" actress supports Obama.

So does my (female) wife.

[Catherine Vincent]

78. Actress? LOL.

nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

180. I was convinced she was sleeping.

Oscar worthy!

:D

[lojasmo]

268. Well, 'actor' then.

Sorry to upset your delicate sensibilities.

[LittleClarkie]

12. If she can get pushed around that easily, how would she do as president

This woman agrees with others who don't like how she's conducted her campaign.

And I think she's been far from pushed around. This passive agressive "call victim then attack" crap is pretty tiresome.

[skater314159]

31. Thank you!

I've been trying to point out the passive/aggressive behaviours here for a while... but you'd think I was advocating drinking blood from new-born babies or something.

If I could, I'd recommend your post.

[LulaMay]

40. She hasn't been, obviously. She stays in it, and is a rock, gracious, smiles. Nothing rattles her.

but we don't like to see the media try to push her around.

Or sexist Dem men who've gotten away long enough with calling themselves liberals.

[LittleClarkie]

48. What am I then?

And what if it's not that she's a woman, but because of her style or for other reasons?

[skater314159]

69. Rocks cry to get pity from the press? nt

[elixir]

93. True. Through much of the adversity she has been rock solid. I hope she will

get more control of her campaign.

[greguganus]

129. You mean sexist men like her husband Bill? He hasn't gotten away with it enough yet? nt

[donheld]

257. "Nothing rattles her."

LMGDFAO she's been so obviously rattled Stevie Wonder can see it from miles away.

[JBoy]

86. Snap, that's good.

[skater314159]

157. Yeah, that's worth TWO SNAPS!

[elixir]

90. It worked for Obama, why can't Clinton do it?

[skater314159]

160. You don't get the irony of that statment, eh?

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

13. K&R

Dirty tricks campaigning against respected Democratic women is going to backfire against Obama. Guaranteed. The only thing women dislike more than racism is sexism.

[K Gardner]

15. Still pushing the VOTE WOMAN OR DIE meme, I see. Good luck with that.

[OzarkDem]

24. Wrong again, as always

The message is that treating women candidates badly will always backfire with women voters. Sexism doesn't sell and it won't help get Obama elected.

[Hepburn]

171. I am a female and I vote...I am NOT a female voter...

...duh...:eyes:

And I wish to hell some of the women who have opened their mouths recently would have thought BEFORE they spoke.

[LulaMay]

60. You don't want to understand anything.....as the article states "at your peril", the party's peril

[K Gardner]

100. Oooohhh... you're scaring me again ! How will I ever sleep at night, ever again?

[skater314159]

118. Another passive-aggressive threat. nt

[skater314159]

71. They think Passive-Agressive will work. nt

[Catherina]

227. It's really sad isn't it? n/t

[Jamastiene]

282. How about a compromise?

Vote for the man all you want. I'd take a compromise. :thumbsdown:

[Quixote1818]

17. This is why I suggested Obama put a woman on his ticket. But NOT Hillary

who is a disgrace to the party.

[tandem5]

37. I hope your comment is satire!

"put a woman on the ticket"

reverse it:

This is why I suggested Clinton put a black man on her ticket.

nope that doesn't sound good.

[Quixote1818]

162. Put a woman at the top of the ticket! Just not Hillary! nt

[Thurston Howell III]

20. BTW, Maureen Dowd has always had areputation of jumping on the Demos.

Just to let you know that. Frank Rich isn't that much better.

[walldude]

21. Not only are we going to push you aside

if you don't get out of the way we are going to run right over you. You know what? The people are tired of being afraid. Posting some pathetic veiled threat will only make us bigger and stronger.

[LulaMay]

34. Pitchforks ands Violence won't help you. How easy it is to threaten women on a board.

[charlie]

46. Put it in your Secret Service report n/t

[LulaMay]

51. I don't think they're interested in your schoolyard shouts to push us down.

[charlie]

61. Nah

Put it in your Sekrit Undercover DU Action Reports, they'll read it. They know IMPORTANT STUFF when they see it.

[LulaMay]

54. I'm sure the SS sees the violent talk/threats. People w pitchforks & torches won't be seated. :)

[Dinger]

271. Good Point, And

I remember "that thread." It was a beaut!

[walldude]

73. You make a threat.. I respond without fear

and all of a sudden I'm the one making threats. :rofl: :rofl:


I happen to worship the ground women walk on. Just not you or your candidate. And my "running over you" was a metaphor, I don't, never did and never will advocate violence. Unlike you who claims I will be in peril if I don't follow you and your candidate right off the proverbial cliff.

When you threaten someone I understand that the expected response is for the people you are threatening to cower in fear. Sorry if I'm not afraid of you. Oh, and plenty of women and feminists are as embarrassed as I am by the pathetic right-wing smear tactics of the Hillary campaign.

[skater314159]

170. NO! You're not supposed to figure it out!

You looked behind the curtain!

OH NOOOOO!

[greguganus]

132. As much as you post, can you find $5 to contribute to DU? n/t

[LulaMay]

136. Not until the sexism here stops, is no longer tolerated....not a dime.

[Moochy]

158. Cheapskate

[skater314159]

174. Yep.

Can use the resources but doesn't wanna contribute to the collective.

Man...

[LulaMay]

235. I've donated close to 500.00 to Hillary. I give my money where it helps women, because I'M ONE.

[LulaMay]

236. and I don't have 500.00 to spare. I'll gldly donate here when this board cleans up its act.

[greguganus]

289. It's FIVE DOLLARS not FIVE HUNDRED.

I would donate for you and give you a star, but then if the board got too much traffic only donators could log on.

[skater314159]

172. Another SNAP!

[Hepburn]

173. You noticed that, too....

...Lulu runs her mouth here all the time...but does NOTHING to support the DU. Figures....

[skater314159]

163. But YOU can use threats, shameing, and manipulation?

Hypocrite.

[DemBones DemBones]

215. ooh, big man.

:rofl:

[Dinger]

270. Strange Reply

"if you don't get out of the way we are going to run right over you."

Then you go on to say:

"The people are tired of being afraid."

Like I said, strange.

[eeyore]

22. I don't personally know a single woman who supports her over Obama.

I run in a circle of 35+ feminist women, and they all think she is divisive and the wrong person for the job. That is all. Feminist professional women in my world think she is completely the wrong candidate to support in this race. Nothing about gender, nothing about race. Just plain wrong for the job.

[LulaMay]

55. I know upwards of 25....just my family & friends.

[greguganus]

135. Come on! You expect us to believe you have friends? n/t

[Hepburn]

176. Suggestion:

You need to enlarge your circle to included intelligent and informed people.

Just a thought....:hi:

[DemBones DemBones]

213. You're owned by a Scottie and think you're informed and intelligent?

I love my dog but she doesn't own me nor do I really own her. We're
pretty independent females. Maybe you should try that?

[Catherina]

228. And every last one of them related I'll bet. n/t

[LulaMay]

253. No, and what would that mean anyway? Your posts are either vile or ridiculous.

[crispini]

23. Um, link? nt

[eeyore]

25. I don't personally know a single woman who supports her over Obama.

I run in a circle of 35+ feminist women, and they all think she is divisive and the wrong person for the job. That is all. Feminist professional women in my world think she is completely the wrong candidate to support in this race. Nothing about gender, nothing about race. Just plain wrong for the job.

[LulaMay]

63. Just about everyone I know does.

[theredpen]

66. "Me, myself, and I"

All three!

[LulaMay]

75. Megan, Sharon, Mara, Mia, Damon, Colin, Scott, Marianne, Rick, Julie, Tamara, Joanne, Mike, Karen...

a complete list available, if I ever feel like it.

Wait, I'm too busy helping her get elected!

[theredpen]

105. Yes, you're helping. It's good to keep busy.

:eyes:

[Moochy]

123. Idle Hands

Lead To Convincing Posts on the Internets!

[theredpen]

178. I always thought it was data that lead to convincing posts, but you seem to have your own thing...

[greguganus]

137. Grumpy, Sneezy, Sleepy, etc...n/t

[LulaMay]

140. I wouldn't doubt it...I worked at Disneyland and know those Seven ding-dongs.

[skater314159]

179. Did you ever leave Fantasyland?

Cause I think that you might be stuck there.

[LulaMay]

193. What curmudgeon doesn't love Fantasyland? BTW- I know Tink, and she's for Hillary too. :)

[skater314159]

199. Tink's not a US citizen...

... remember, she's from Never-Never land... thanks to all the Repukes bitching about immigration, she can't vote.

Sorry.

[Moochy]

237. FREE TINKERBELL!

[LulaMay]

242. I'm prohibted by law from telling you the truth. :)

[donheld]

258. That explains 90% of your posts

[skater314159]

138. And I see you Billy, and Maggie, and Lisa...

http://www.tvparty.com/g2b/romperend00.ram

Okay Lula, that's the end of Romper Room for today... Have a good day! :hi:

[Name removed]

150. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[eeyore]

26. I don't personally know a single woman who supports her over Obama.

I run in a circle of 35+ feminist women, and they all think she is divisive and the wrong person for the job. That is all. Feminist professional women in my world think she is completely the wrong candidate to support in this race. Nothing about gender, nothing about race. Just plain wrong for the job.

[Faygo Kid]

29. Good heavens. And they accuse us Obama supporters of being cultists.

My wife, ex-wife, and 31 year old daughter all declared for Obama before I did.

Good luck. Guess I will support Barack despite your threats.

[skater314159]

145. You mean you didn't drink the Kool-Aid?

[Jed Dilligan]

32. This one had me rolling:

"Because nothing makes an American woman as crazy-mad as watching another American woman get pushed around."

[LulaMay]

Funny, but true!

[greguganus]

139. Maybe Hillary likes to be pushed around by Bill. Seems he's still tomcatting. n/t

[LulaMay]

142. Men like you who think women like to be pushed around are usualy the ones avoided on gals night out.

[skater314159]

203. Are you trying to be insulting?

I couldn't parse your sentence or its meaning - so if you were going for the absurdist angle it might work.

Next time post a picture so we can know you're being Dadaist.

[LulaMay]

243. Should I explain it to you? It's quite simple really. Women don't like guys who push them around.

Get it?

I don't think you'd recognize Dadaism if it walked past you on surrealistic legs.

[Emit]

33. Piss women off and the result is a vote for HRC?

What?

I think is is unhealthy for women of any age to view the well-justified and harsh criticisms of HRC as a reflection upon women as a whole. Truly, HRC needs to own her actions and the resulting problems they've created. These criticisms aren't coming her way because she is a woman, and for those who assume so, that's pretty shallow and biased thinking.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

38. Dude, if you think it's "unhealthy for women" that means I should embrace, assimilate and

cheer "it", whatever "it" might be! :-)

[Emit]

84. I'm not saying anything of the sort

and what I intended was quite the opposite

I wrote:

"I think is is unhealthy for women of any age to view the well-justified and harsh criticisms of HRC as a reflection upon women as a whole."

Why take on the harsh criticism of HRC as one's own? The criticism is directed at her, as a result of her actions; it is not directed at all women in general.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

177. What YOU think is unhealthy, for me, a woman, means zero to me, a woman.

You have zero input into whether what I do or say is "healthy". :hi:

[theredpen]

187. You're the first person I've heard say that who wasn't an addict.

Or are you?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

190. Are you?

:shrug:

Thanks for your concern! :-)

both theredpen and emit care. :hug:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

273. BTW, being accused of being an addict because I prefer to think for myself rather than have "emit"

tell me what I'm allowed to think, is as bizarre an insult as I've ever had directed at me on this board. And that's saying something.



Yikes, the attack of the (step aside ladies, the men know best)sockpuppets!

[Emit]

288. And 'emit' never wrote anything about what you were 'allowed'

to think. 'emit' was merely voicing an opinion on the matter, as 'emit' has a right to 'emit's' own opinion just as you do.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

295. OK, you've got me on the quotation marks.

That was very unnecessary.

[Emit]

197. Am I not entitled to my own opinion on the matter?

Why should I not be able to have an opinion on what I think is healthy for women as a whole? This is a discussion board, isn't it? :shrug:

[skater314159]

206. It seems that some would like to limit the discussion

... to parameters their small minds can comprehend.

[LulaMay]

254. Yes, people like you who try to shut down any discussion about sexism by posting junk, insults

over and over and over and over.....boring.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

272. You're equating "health" with whether women have proper thoughts

You, sir, will NEVER tell me what I am, or am not, allowed to think.

[Emit]

287. I am not telling you what you are 'allowed' to think...

you assume too much. I am saying what I think.

Are not all women entitled to an opinion on the subject?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

293. " I think is is unhealthy for women of any age to view the well-justified and harsh criticisms of HR

Now I see, you said that it's unhealthy for me to VIEW something a certain way. :eyes:

[theredpen]

296. He expressed an opinion. It's not a mandate. You're allowed to disagree.

Instead, you are playing the victim card and trying to shame someone into agreeing with you.

This is a forum for debate, not passive aggressive games. State your opinion, defend your opinion and be prepared for people to disagree with you or to consider your opinions ill-considered.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

300. Wow, you replied REALLY fast!

Cool. :-)

[theredpen]

301. You had the 300th response in this topic!

:woohoo:

It's like the dawning of a new age.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

303. Right.

:hi:

You guys rock!

:yourock:

argh, I'm stuck adding this. :sarcasm:

second edit: damn it, I hate when the Underground goes Mainstream. :sarcasm: sucks, definitely on the receiving end. The giving end quite cool, but then you have to see the same people in about a week.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

306. I am SOOO cutting and pasting your post.

:hi:

[theredpen]

308. I demand royalties!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

309. And so, it is recorded.

That's fucking funny and I still don't agree with you. :rofl:

[Emit]

311. You know what? Clinton is receiving negative coverage for her actions, not because she is a woman.

But, hey, if you want to take on these criticisms and attempt to wear them as a martyr badge of 'sexism', you do that. You go, girl. I, for one, will not. She has earned much of the criticism coming her way, and labeling all criticism of her as sexist is not really doing the women's movement much good.

Bottom line: anti-Clinton rhetoric ≠ anti-woman ≠ sexism.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

313. I thought we were talking about your assertion that it was "unhealthy" for women to hold

certain views.

Apparently, we are in the distraction phase of the argument.

[Emit]

314. I think it would be very unhealthy for women to don that martyr badge of 'sexism'.

You might be in the "distraction phase of the argument" but I'm not.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

316. Mmm, yes, health is paramount and donning a metaphorical badge could threaten health.

Whatever. I've heard this song and dance before. :hi:

Emit, my second ignore. Refer to www.disruptors.com for the first. :-)

[Emit]

317. It's sad that we can't discuss this rationally

It's disheartening, IMHO, when two women can't discuss important issues concerning women with each other.

I was so hoping to be able to come to an understanding of what the intent of my post was. But, I think your purpose was something else altogether.

[OzarkDem]

39. She's the better candidate

and for that reason, women voters don't like to see her get pushed around.

[LulaMay]

67. Couldn't agree more.

[Emit]

91. Some women voters think she is the better candidate, and for that reason,

some women voters who think she is the better candidate don't like to see her get pushed around.

But, the OP seems to be saying that she's getting pushed around solely because she is a woman and for that reason women will retaliate and vote for her.

[skater314159]

181. How do you measure that? nt

[LulaMay]

65. Take us for granted, abuse us with sexism, ans the result will be the slow demise of this party

[Emit]

98. Who is being accused of sexism?

The media seems to be dishing out most of it. How does that result in the "demise of the party"? Do you really think women will defect from the party because the media was sexist toward a female presidential candidate? I just don't get the logic of your comment.

[skater314159]

182. There is no logic to get, unfortunately. nt

[Levgreee]

256. And the demise of abortion rights. We all win, yay!

[Occam Bandage]

41. Apparently, suggesting that Hillary might not be the best candidate is sexism. 'kay.

[Medusa]

49. Any comment that you make that doesn't praise Hillary

is considered to be sexist at DU.

[LulaMay]

77. No, it's saying she got where she is because 'her husband messed around', or calling her daughter a

name we won't repeat. That's Matthew's and Shuster.

There is worse, and she gets statistically far less positive coverage than Obama. BIASED.

[Occam Bandage]

80. She gets far less positive coverage because she runs a negative campaign

and because she has fewer positive stories around her.

[skater314159]

183. More negative person = more negative reporting.

If you give off bad vibes, you can't bitch when bad vibes are what people associate with you.

Is that too difficult for you to understand Lulu?

You get what you give.

[Independent-Voter]

274. She's been getting her ass kicked by Obama for 2 months. Why should she get MORE coverage than him?

[me b zola]

52. What fucking nerve

This is what we've been telling Hillary and other dlc thugs/schmucks for years. All we wanted was to be heard and recognized as not only the people that would vote for them, but GOTV as well.

WE ARE THE BASE.

Yet at every turn the "leadership" called us "the looney left" for asking for accountability from those ripping up the Constitution, giving away our civil liberties, and sending our military to kill and die for series of lies--and for oil. The "leadership" turned right at every turn even though they knew that the country was to the left of them.

There are two people responsible for taking the Democratic "leadership" in this direction, and one of them is running for president--poorly, I might add. We warned them to ignore us at their own peril, and just like their new mentor Rove, now they throw that back on us.


Fuck that. Ignore the base at your own peril.

[LulaMay]

79. Women are the base and bedrock of this party. Even THEY know that. Wake up.

They just believe they can take our votes for granted, even when not standing up for us against sexism.

[me b zola]

97. As a progressive my vote is being taken for granted

As a feminist woman I would never cast a vote for Margret Thatcher nor Liz Dole. As a feminist woman I would love to cast a vote for a woman as POTUS. But please, as a feminist I find it offensive that anyone would suggest that I vote for a woman whom I do not believe will lead this country in the right direction.

As a woman I deal with/encounter sexism on a daily basis. It is a fact that sexism is alive and well in the US, as is racism. The difference is ever since the AA vote began to leave Hillary before the South Carolina primary camp Clinton began making "personal" attacks on the AA Democratic base--and it has done nothing but get uglier. Racism and sexism would have been/are facts of our not-so-healthy nation that would have had an effect on the election no matter what. Team Obama has never used sexism to drum up support, team Clinton has heavily used racism in her campaign. Can you not see what is in front of you?


I will not be silent.

[LulaMay]

130. Hardly. The media has practically draped roses over female voters who don't support Hillary.

[Catherina]

229. Thank you n/t

[skater314159]

56. More Emotional Blackmail and Passive-Agressive Behaviour from Hillary.

... or should I say from her fan base?

Does it really matter?

These "Vote for me or I'll" threats and attempts to intimidate voters is at the very least bullying (which is a form of mental and emotional abuse) and at worst full-blown emotional blackmail.

Because I have seen the effects of Emotional Blackmail on victims, I thought I'd write a short piece here on emotional blackmail. Emotional blackmail is when someone uses fear, guilt, or shame to manipulate people to do something.

Some common traits that emotional blackmailers use are:

* They will threaten to "make things difficult for you" if you don't do what they want. This may be followed up with escalating threats if you continue to not comply with their demands.

* They will constantly threaten to end the relationship if you don't do what they want.

* They will ignore or discount your feelings and wants most of the time.

* They will tell you (or imply it indirectly) that they will neglect you or them, hurt you or themselves, or become depressed if you don't do what they want.

* They will tell you that you are responsible for their feelings.

* They will shower you with "love", "approval", "acceptance", and "praise" if you give into them and take it ALL away if you don't.

* They will use money or power as a weapon for them to get their own way.

* They will "play the victim" so that they can attack you.

How to disarm/deal with an emotional blackmailer:

* If at all possible, avoid emotional blackmailers.

* If you MUST deal with them, have others around for support.

* When they try to blame you for their emotions say, "I'm sorry you're upset" or "I'm sorry you feel like that".

* If they threaten you, say, "That's your choice" or "You can make that decision, but there will be consequences".

Further reading:
Emotional Blackmail, by Susan Forward. Feminist review of the book can be found http://www.wayneandtamara.com/emotionalblackmail.htm"> here}.
Links:[br />http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/manipulator/blackmail.shtml">"Jerks who fuck with your mind and compassion - the emotional blackmailer"

http://eqi.org/eabuse1.htm "> A good site on Emotional Blackmail, Verbal Abuse, and Invalidation.

http://www.soulwork.net/sw_articles_eng/emotional_blackmail.htm"> A good resource on what emotional blackmail is and what the "victim games" are.

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/BPD/blackmail.html ">Emotional blackmail page.

[LulaMay]

81. Feeling guilty after some self reflection?

[skater314159]

104. Projecting?

Or are you seeking to invalidate me?

* Emotional blackmailers discount the statements and castigate those who stand up to them or point out their behaviours.

[theredpen]

115. LulaMay, are you an intentional self-parody?

If so, you're brilliant.

[LulaMay]

133. I'm certainly funnier and less excitable than you.

[theredpen]

175. OK, sure.

You get more laughs that I do, but there's a difference between "laughing with" and "laughing at."

[skater314159]

184. .

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[skater314159]

185. "less excitable"

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And the reason we are laughing isn't because you are funnier... at least not in the good way.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

186. LOL. Unfortunately,

I don't have time to post line after line of smileys..

But, there's this...:rofl: :toast:

[Catherina]

230. Funnier yes. The rest is contradicted by the record. n/t

[rodeodance]

267. ha ha---guess you missed all the Bully type posts on DU--Demanding

hillary back out.

[skater314159]

291. YOU emotional blackmail. nt

[mdmc]

62. whats the worse that can happen? Pres. McCain?

meh

[LulaMay]

68. Both Hillary and Obama beat McCain in polls now. It's untrue she can't win.

[mdmc]

96. I am certain that HRC can beat McCain handedly

Obama can beat him too.

McCain will most certainly lose in 2008. I can't think of a way he can win.

[LulaMay]

103. She would mop him up in a debate, so would Obama.

[skater314159]

188. Not according to this...

She LOSES TO MCCAIN according to this model.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Where's your data?

[mdmc]

292. data?

I have none

[skater314159]

189. Yes.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

[DS1]

64. Vote for Clinton or we'll make SNL do our bidding once again

muaahahhahH!!!

[LulaMay]

70. One skit and you all come unglued, when he gets a much higher % of positive media coverage

Can't you take a joke even?

Or do you all truly believe you own this election?

[DS1]

83. laff

I point out that 50% of your post is SNL, and you're becoming unglued.

At this point I don't care who wins it

[skater314159]

111. You DO project.

You are the one who is unglued.

You have no sense of humour.

You attack Obama supporters because you hate them for their candidate's success.

[LulaMay]

72. A Hillarious skit at that. The men in this media deserve to be called out. Russert is ridiculous

[DS1]

82. He's terrible

I hate him. And tweety, and fucker, and blitzer, and well, just about all of them. Just as much as I hate Crowley, Malkin, and the rest of the saber-tooth women

[walldude]

76. Shit dude.. you're unglued! Look out!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[dana_b]

85. I'm a woman over 35 - I'm for Obama. Do I cancel you out?? n/t

[LulaMay]

107. Not according to all the statistics. Sorry.

[skater314159]

125. Your "statistics"... where's the LINK? nt

[elixir]

89. Great post. I really think the reader is celebrating a very special moment, not only is HRC more

than qualified, she's a woman.

[LulaMay]

101. Yes, it is a very special moment. I think women are very angry that our moment is being trashed.

[Moochy]

92. It's the Vagipocalypse!

[LulaMay]

99. Your crude references to women as genitalia exposes your sexism, or acceptance of it.

[Name removed]

106. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LulaMay]

110. You're right about that. I won't stand for you calling me a sexually crude name.

[Moochy]

112. Up with Stupid People!

[Moochy]

164. Ye Gods! That Deleted Post Must Have Had Some Sexism in it!

:eyes: You are so transparent. BTW it had the word shill in it, which is not allowed. Sorry for that. How about blind partisan supporter?

[Catherina]

231. That's a sad joke becase frankly HRC's supporters are scaring me

I think they've lost their damn minds.

[AX10]

94. K & R!

[saltpoint]

108. Where were the pro-bitch feminists when Carol Moseley-Braun was

running for high office?

Why didn't Senator Moseley-Braun enjoy the vigorous support of her older feminist sisters?

[fedupinBushcountry]

196. Good question OC

last time I looked she was a woman.

[saltpoint]

207. Yes. And while not perfect (what politican is?), she made her own

road to a considerably more impressive extent than Mrs. Clinton.

[libnnc]

209. I asked that quesiton a couple of months ago...

The answer?


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<crickets>

[saltpoint]

210. Sorry, libnnc -- honestly wasn't trying to steal your thunder.

It's just that I thought CM-B deserved better than she got.

[libnnc]

212. No it's a totally valid question and it should be asked again!

I remember I started a thread about it back when I was supporting Kucinich and all the really strident Clinton supporters started with the "if you don't support her, you're not a feminist" crap. I started a thread and it sank like a rock.

I've gone through TWO, count 'em TWO candidates in this cycle. I tried to stay on the fence between Obama and Hill (honestly, I'm still a little peeved at Obama but I'll get over it).

When I read Naomi Wolf's column in support of Obama a couple of weeks ago, that sealed it.

And now with this Ferraro crap, honestly I cannot fathom how Clinton's supporters can sleep at night.

This madness has GOT to stop. She HAS to quit in the next week or so.

[saltpoint]

224. Thank you for being so gracious. Honestly, I would not have ripped

off your idea, and if the subject comes up again, I will give you top billing on the marquis.

Fair's fair.

Agree with you also on Wolf's column. Sturdy, surgical writing, and very persuasive.

Thanks for the class act tonight.

[DemBones DemBones]

211. I supported her as much as any of the others, although Kucinich

was my favorite. I supported her right to be in the debates and would have voted for her if she'd been nominated.

But Moseley-Braun was never attacked with vicious sexist, ageist rhetoric the way HRC has been. That's why women are getting pissed and saying "Fuck this idea that only a man can be president, fuck all the media hyping Obama and trashing Clinton, fuck the people who can't see that Obama is being set up to take a dive to McCain."

The Dems will lose the votes of a lot of women, and a lot of men, too, if they nominate Obama. It's a fact. My husband can see what the media are doing as well as I can and supported HRC before I did.

BTW, I hope to see Cynthia McKinney be the Green Party nominee this year so I can vote for her if BO gets the nomination, because I'm certainly not voting for him. Cynthia McKinney actually opposes the war and has been in Congress longer than BO, though the GOP keeps engineering her loss every other term, aided by Zell Miller and * back in 2004. She dared to call for an investigation of who benefited from 9/11.

[EstimatedProphet]

275. You're right, she wasn't

But Moseley-Braun was never attacked with vicious sexist, ageist rhetoric the way HRC has been.

She wasn't at that. Instead, she was completely ignored. That may even be worse. It certainly seems to me to possibly be an even worse attack on the idea of a woman being president to pretend she's not even there than to attack a candidate. That at least acknowledges them.

[saltpoint]

278. I wish you godspeed on the McKinney nomination. I think she's

going to draw every bit of three dozen total votes if she does get the Green nom, which itself is in serious and understandable doubt.

You need to open your eyes a bit to the wider landscape. Geraldine Ferraro this week has made a fool of herself. If a male blasted HClintons' sex/gender with the same sloppy, shallow, insensitive reasoning as Ferraro slammed Obama, you pseudo-feminists would be howling like coyotes over it.

[Catherina]

232. She wasn't DLC or for this war n/t

[LulaMay]

244. We worked hard for her. You don't know what you're talking about.

[libnnc]

249. Where? When? How?

[saltpoint]

279. Sorry. Your personal experience wasn't the point.

We hear the caterwauling on DU Hillary-as-Victim posts about "sexism' but Senator Moseley-Braun received NOWHERE near that level of attention in the 2004 primaries.

It's not even close.

[FrenchieCat]

109. Women will simply lose the right to choose.....

and they can look at themselves in the mirror when trying to figure out how it happened.

[LulaMay]

113. and we are TIRED of that being held over our heads by sexist Dem men, few women, in this party

It is another day and age. People just won't stand for that, or there will be revolution.

We need an ERA, if that's how it comes about, so be it.

[saltpoint]

116. Posts like the OP's is how we LOST the ERA fight.

And we lost it big.

[LulaMay]

120. I don't think you were involved. We did not lose 'big'. It was sexist men who killed it.

[saltpoint]

122. You might be surprised who was involved, LulaMay.

Real surprised.

[LulaMay]

146. I know who, because I was, and were still working for it. Blame women for ERA failing? NOT feminist

[saltpoint]

156. O yes. The stridency, the all-men-are-rapists bullshit.

That all factored in.

It should have been handled loads better than it was, and I hear the same brainless fury coming out in these Hillar-as-Victim posts.

Not convincing at all.

If you want a glimpse into my idea of feminism, I recommend THE MOON AND THE VIRGIN by Nor Hall. She's marvelous.

[LulaMay]

167. Not a shred of feminist thought. I think you are a phony about being involved with the ERA

[saltpoint]

169. Read Andrea Dworkin.

You might have an epiphany.

[LulaMay]

198. I've met Andrea, been to conferences wher she spoke. She harbors some woman hatered, unrealized.

I'm not surprised you like her writing.

It gets disturbing, and she reaches pints where women don't relate to her, stop listening, because whatever anger at women she's still holding onto come through.

But I like Catherine MacKinnon very much. Read her books.

[saltpoint]

204. NO! LOL! I can't STAND her writing!

She does indeed harbor woman-hatred, and not a small amount of man-hatred as well.

Those are some of the most twisted essays I've ever seen on post-feminist Feminism. Dworkin's influence led to far stricter and entirely ridiculous anti-pornograph initiatives in Canada, as you know, under whose regulatory moralism even Judy Chicago's works would be technically illegal.

[LulaMay]

217. But, sir, what is your point?

I like Catherine MacKinnon's legal ideas about giving victimzed women the right to sue pornographers under tort law, civil suits of personal injury.

Somehow, I suspect you disagree....want to defend it all (pornography and prostitution) as simply 'sex'. Let me assure you, it is not. Women are hurt, killed, go missing and nobody cares about them, least of all the police.

[saltpoint]

222. There you have exactly why the ERA went down in flames. You just

equated sex with "pornography" and "women" being "killed." jesus.

MacKinnon is as much to blame, if not more, than Dworkin.

Two wildly twisted and unstable minds, ruining dialogue for an entire generation of pro-feminists eveywhere.

[LulaMay]

245. It's tragic, for women & girls, how many men refuse to face their actions and thoughts re 'sex'

Deny it all you need to, but it doesn't change the fact that women and girls ARE kidnapped, tricked, beaten, drugged, held hostage, threatened, KILLED in prostitution and the making of pornography.

At a minimum, we are degraded as the sex slaves of men, sex objects.

One way men oppress us, get rid of their feelings that make it possible to treat us badly, is through objectifying us as sex objects , existing for male pleasure.

You should know about the damage , the incrdible hurt, pain, cruelty, done to women and girls every day because of this.

The police turn their heads, in brotherly contract with one another, as young girls go missing every day, and families lose their daughters.

[saltpoint]

281. My not voting for Hillary Clinton is the sole reason women are ticked and beaten

and drugged, held hostage, threatened, and killed in prostitution.

You nailed it.

Logic like that is why there is no Equal Rights Amendment.

[LulaMay]

121. THAT'S why we want a woman for president, and more leaders. It will produce REAL CHANGE.

[saltpoint]

126. Speaking of real change, I wonder if the Hillary-as-victim posters on DU

could please use more asterisks on the OPs.

I just LOVE asterisks.

[Jamastiene]

290. What's this "we" shit? n/t

[Why Syzygy]

226. Oh great. Now this? We don't have ENOUGH to worry about?

We NEED an ERA? Leave it to the Clinton crowd to saddle us with an albatross that NO ONE NEEDS right this minute.

The bitches can take a break. They don't speak for me. I sure have ZERO regard for this little panty raid idea.

[Bluerthanblue]

114. I am a woman, and neither you nor Hillary nor Dedre speak for me!

I have no problem using my own voice.

I don't to need hide behind my ovaries, breasts or vagina.


Get over yourself.

peace~

[LulaMay]

117. Then you are not in sync with a majority of women who recognize the sexism and are fed up with it.

[saltpoint]

119. So you speak for a majority of women?

Wow.

[Ichingcarpenter]

124. She speaks for this woman.

[saltpoint]

131. Dear god.

Dear god, dear god, dear god.

[greguganus]

141. LMAO. Bride of Clenistein. n/t

[LulaMay]

127. I agree with the article and majority of women.

[saltpoint]

134. That would have been an excellent starting point instead of

the tone of most of your posts in this thread.

Y'all are losing some ground for your gal with this Hillary-as-Victim bullshit.

This extremely dedicated pro-feminist male ain't buyin' it.

[skater314159]

192. And? What do you want us to do about that?

:applause:

There... now are you happy?

[Catherina]

234. Contrary to all exit polls, she things she does. n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

144. Hillary is not losing because she's a WOMAN- she's losing because

she is HILLARY- and because she is running against a person who is demonstrating that he is who the majority of people want for the next president.

This has NOTHING to do with sexism. I'm sick to DEATH of people making this into something it ISN'T.

You claim to speak for 'the majority of women'- when in truth, you speak for yourself, and yourself alone. As I do.


peace~

[LulaMay]

148. She's not losing. It is a race and more counts than a slim margin. Don't count your chickens.

[Bluerthanblue]

154. at this point LulaMay, even if she got the nom-

she's lost.

There is more to life than getting what you want, damn the cost- or the casualties.

My chickens are in the incubator. Not counting, just turning them twice a day.


peace~

[saltpoint]

155. You're right on the arithmetic being close, but there remains the

cultural trendline.

She was the inevitable nominee all summer and well into fall.

Then she placed 3rd in Iowa.

She's been a lot less inevitable from that point forward.

[skater314159]

194. She isn't losing?

First place is the WINNER.

Second place is the FIRST LOSER.

Or does that concept elude you?

[Catherina]

205. Come get your chickens right here LuluMay

[skater314159]

191. The majority of voices in your head?

Those aren't real women.

[LulaMay]

201. Calling your opponent crazy is a cop out. Make a point, or waste space.

[skater314159]

247. Not if they are mentally unstable. nt

[Catherina]

208. Majority? We're behind Obama. We're tired of these shreiking hysterics

Clutch your purse when we walk by but GET OVER IT.

[LulaMay]

220. 'Shrieking'? You expose your virulent sexism over and over again. You're not winning any fans.

[Catherina]

223. LMAO. Fans from women clutching their purses? I'll pass thank you. n/t

[SoCalDem]

143. Everyone assumed she would be president.....until

she actually started campaigning for real..

perhaps it's just as simple as this..

people just aren't that "into" her..

The more she campaigns, the more people see through the facade, and wish she would just stop...before we end up handing this place over to Sen. Grumpipants..

No one HATES her.. we just don;t like her enough to make her president..no matter how hard she tries or no matter how much she wants it or Bill wants it for her..

That's all there is to it..

"A" woman can , and should be president sometime , and soon.. just not HER..

[LulaMay]

147. No, you and yours have been assuming it belongs to Obama. It is arrogant.

[SoCalDem]

159. Until Iowa, I didn't even know WHO Obama was

I have known of and even liked Hillary since 1992.. I was more than prepared to vote for her, even though I hoped for Edwards..

She and her shitty little passive-aggressive, racist campaign just plain turned me way from her..

It's not arrogant..it just is what it is..

Most of us "assumed" since she started her run for the senate, that she would run for president, and probably get elected.. The "assuming" was all in her favor...until.. well you know why.. we have pretty much ALL explained it over the weeks & months.. It's NOT that she's a woman..It's that she's run a mean, dirty, divisive campaign, and alienated a whole lot of people... I just happen to be one of them

[LulaMay]

200. Then why be so presumptive that the nomination belongs to him? That attitude is not helpful 2 Dems

[SoCalDem]

216. "Presumptive" ?,,nope.. Winning ? yes

He's ahead in every manner that counts, and ,in MY estimation, has run a far better campaign, inspired more new voters, and at this point, deserves to win.

he's been a grown up and a class act..

[LulaMay]

219. i'm glad to hear you aren't among those who believe the nomination simply belongs to him

[skater314159]

195. "assuming it belongs to" & "arrogant"? PROJECTING AGAIN. nt

[Catherina]

238. Ooow Miz SoCalDem, you bes' come sit in da bak o da bus

becuz yo dun piss Miz LuluMay off.

[LulaMay]

251. Your 'routine' is crass & insensitive. What have I said that is racist? Explain yourself.

[workinclasszero]

153. Hillary Clinton's campaign 2008: racism and threats

Hillary will rip the party in two and hand the election over to her pal McCain.

This is her plan, so she can run again in 2012.

The strangest thing to me is why the democratic party is kicking back and letting it all happen?

Do they fear the Clinton's that much? Or does the Clinton machine really control it all?

But they can't control the Obama voters so the scorched earth campaign for 2012 rolls on and on...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

161. Elizabeth Edwards said "We can't make John black or a women" OMG Elizabeth Edwards is a racist !!!

[LulaMay]

166. Brilliant, and how true.

[Catherina]

202. Voters young and old—particularly women—have rallied to her side?

"Voters young and old—particularly women—have rallied to her side when what they see as the drumbeat of anti-Clinton rhetoric beats loudest."

:rofl:

She's a bitch (your word, your article) and a monster who thinks it's ok to drop cluster bombs on civilans. First "Yeah, deal with it" so you can get over it.

Pimozide might help :shrug:

[LulaMay]

218. Yes, it is a fact. Read the newspaper, election results....in staggering numbers they vote for her.

[Catherina]

240. I really pity you BUT

I'm thankful you're the product of a byegone generation.

[Catherina]

214. Meaningless threats from desperate, petulant, vindictive 'people'

If you feel pushed around in a party that has justice for all on its platform, maybe it's time we pushed harder.

Bitch ain't the new Black. It's just a cute slogan to keep us in "our place".

Sorry Miss Lulu but there's plenty of room on the bus. The more you stamp your feet about WOMEN rallying "to her side when what they see as the drumbeat of anti-Clinton rhetoric beats loudest", the more feminists like me will denounce supporting a woman who thinks it's ok to drop cluster bombs on other women and their children just because we have one organ in common.

The only true sentence in this article is that "bitches get stuff done" and judging by Mississippi, I guess we are.

[LulaMay]

221. It's my least favorite sentence, but I know why they did it. It's POLITICAL SATIRE.

I sincerely hope you think more about what you say. You harbor a lot of sexist attitudes, and say sexist things. Why? No matter who you want to vote for, sexism is inappropriate.

[Catherina]

239. Lol. Are you EVER going to get done with telling other women what's best for us

I'm sorry your plantation days are over LulaMay but they are.

Look away Dixieland...

[NDambi]

246. Oh my another woe is me post...I remain unimpressed

[LulaMay]

250. You insult millions of women voting for Hillary, and give no regard to what it means.

[Catherina]

259. What it means is that maybe one day when Black people walk by

your daughters won't clutch their purses and you might have to drive your own damn selves.

[NDambi]

277. I refuse to go into real dialogue..with La La LuLa...she's extra sensitive..last time I tried she

tried to get me banned...

Btw,don't try to equate race and gender..or attempt to articulate what black people face in America, for some...there is no comparison. Gender rules all.

[NDambi]

276. Okay..but I remain unimpressed and unmoved..but that's just me..and I'm entitled...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

255. I'm a woman over 35, and a feminist.

And I REJECT your thesis. When did it become incumbent upon me to support a woman who supported the Iraq war AND a measure to allow GWB to bomb Iran?

Please explain this to me

[cooolandrew]

260. TAX RETURN TAX RETURNS truth link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3qOi_l1RGY

[LulaMay]

261. Address the topic. Women are voting for her in droves, read why. She'll release her tax returns.

[Political Heretic]

263. Yawn. Hillary Clinton has failed from day one and run a miserable, pitiable campaign

That she and her subordinate followers now cry and whine pointing the figure at everyone and everything else rather than take any personal responsibility for their defeat is really the biggest pathetic display of all.

Hillary Clinton has no one to blame but herself for becoming such a polarizing figure that you either staunchly defend or deeply dislike. Her strong-arming scorched earth philosophy to politics leaves a trail of angry, frustrated, disillusioned people who feel used and often betrayed whereever she goes. It leads to things like the head of the Children's Defense Fund and once fierce supporter of Clinton's describing her as betraying the program and selling them out to get what she wanted, like dispirited colleges and party leaders who are sick of the politics of destruction approach. You can't "skin sheep" as you attempt to get what you selfishly want for reasons of individual ego, and then expect the love and adoration of those skinned sheep later.

The problem isn't that Clinton has ambition in and of itself, and it certainly is the fact that she is a woman. The problem is the kind of ambition that she has and the kind of woman that she is. And that's what not being talked about enough.

The problem is that her ambition is for personal ego above and beyond all other interests and the problem is that she's a poor representative of women and for women because of that. Ambition for the good of the party, and the good of the country, ambition to "lift all ships" if you will and to work together is an extraordinarily good thing, and this democratic finds that to be an awe-inspiring trait in women. Ambition that places ones ego and self-interest ahead of party or country, that wants to "win" for personal power and subordinates other concerns to that quest for power, that is willing to hurt the party, hurt the country, hurt the hope of a more liberal tomorrow all in order to win, is an ugly sight to behold, and we behold in now in Hillary Clinton.

As if these failures of character aren't enough of a failing, the arrogance of her and her campaign have cost them the nomination that would have otherwise been assured - regardless of these negative criticisms. By assuming that the nomination was somehow her birthright for which she was waiting to be crowned, she failed to take the challenge of other nominees seriously. Her campaign recklessly and frivolously blew the money of others in a haphazard manner, nearly going broke as a campaign after super-Tuesday. Her campaign failed to reach out and connect with ordinary people early on, choosing instead to rely on a few large donors for major contributions and ignoring the "little people."

Then when she started getting beat, her campaign was in total shock and disarray. They had no plan - literally no plan for anyone challenging them in the polls. None. They failed to develop clear and consistent messaging, they went into major debt and developed a huge money gap between their campaign and the now frontrunner for the nomination. They had no idea how to compete because in their arrogance that had been so certain that the nomination was automatically Clinton's. The complete chaos within the campaign has led to one of the worst managed, worst executed political campaigns in modern history. The Clinton campaign went from across the board double digit leads in every contest to losing twelve contests in a row, losing the majority of states, losing pledged delegates, losing the popular vote, losing the money race and ultimately losing the nomination.

And the response from camp Clinton to all of these internal failures has been to blame everyone and everything else. It's the media's fault for covering her miserable failure of a campaign instead of lying about its ineptitude. It's because America hates women - it couldn't possible be because she has been a bad representative for women in this campaign. No, couldn't possibly be her responsibility or her campaign's. It always has to be someone else's fault. Soon we'll hear that it was a conservative conspiracy, or that the party elders are to blame, or any other excuse that they think might stick. What we'll never hear from the Clinton Camp is the truth: they blew it, and its their fault, no one else's.

[elizm]

265. As an American woman nothing makes me as crazy mad....

as watching what the Clintons' campaign is doing to not only the Democratic Party but our country. They have turned back the clock on race relations in this country...all so they can move back into the White House again. They don't give a DAMN about you lady! WAKE UP!

[JTFrog]

266. Another day, Another threat from LulaMay.

You do women everywhere a disservice by placing the ONUS on us for Hillary's failures. She has run a horrible, nasty, swift-boating, republican propping campaign.

I'm ashamed that I share gender with this monstrous politician. If she has something to be done in the name of women, let it be to AVOID AND END WARS, not to vote for WAR and MORE WAR. And she is dragging us down with her by throwing a kitchen sink full of racist injections and sexist manipulations at her opponent and the voters, and by suggesting that any state that supports him "doesn't count". She has done me and my daughter NO FAVORS.

Any "criticism" she is getting in the media is well deserved.

Nothing can excuse any "blatant sexist" comments from the media. Just remember that when she pulled these sexist and racist bulldogs out and told them to sic balls on Obama, well... ALL. BETS. ARE. OFF.

Don't insult me by trying to convince me that our validation as women rests in the hands of this self inflated DINO.

*edit spelling.

[NDambi]

280. BINGO! I'm a woman and her daily rants turn me off completely

[NanBo]

286. Amen, sister!

I'm really tired of some women telling me how I'm supposed to think and feel as if I'm too stupid to come to my own conclusions. I didn't spend 50 years fighting for liberation just to have someone else tell me what to do!

[dana_b]

294. the oppostie of liberation. too much moral high horse crap for me. n/t

[Dinger]

269. K & R

GO get 'em Lula!:)

[zulchzulu]

283. So women who support Hillary can approvingly call her a bitch?

As Tina Fey says (oddly), bitch is the new "black"? As for nuns, last I checked, they aren't allowed to hit kids anymore.

This crybaby analysis is amusing in its vapid pathos. If Obama lost 11 straight contests and won only 14 to Hillary's 30 (hint: this is the opposite), would the media be calling for him to resign? Would the media be calling for him to concede if it was a mathematical possibility that he could win. Again, this is the opposite of what's going on.

There are plenty of women who support Obama. If you want to play the Gender card and threaten to vote for pro-life warmonger McCain, then you'd need to have to get your head examined.

[Arugula Latte]

285. This white woman ain't buyin' what you're sellin'.

[LittleClarkie]

297. Indeed, I would prefer the author of this piece speak for herself

I'm not a part of "us".

[TK421]

298. You DO know that this thread is reaching Kudzu status.....

just thought you should know that, and what to expect with the aftershocks of that and all.....:D

[Dinger]

299. Kick. (I Already Recommended This One : ) (nt)

[blm]

302. How DARE some asshats LIE about WHY Open government Democrats don't WANT Clinton.

Stop LYING about Democrats who DISAGREE with the Clintons' protection of BushInc.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

304. This thread could fuel a thesis.

Just saying. :shrug:

on edit, paper, how quaint! what was I thinking?

[Buzz Clik]

305. Interesting. Every woman over 35 I know will not EVER vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

307. Do you count DU'er women in your count?

Or, do you know scores or dozens or hundreds of women over the age of 35? :shrug:

[Buzz Clik]

310. My answer is in two parts:

1. To the best of my knowledge, no one that I know personally posts at DU.
2. Keep in mind that my comment pertains only to those who would express their voting preferences to me. That comes to a total of about 15 women over 35 that I know personally who have expressed their opinions to me about Hillary Clinton: they will not be voting for her ever.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

312. OK.

15. That's cool. :toast:

[Blondiegrrl]

315. Well, THIS bitch would like to punch Tina Fey in her fat, smug mouth.

Sisterhood, my ass. I and my ovaries support the best candidate, period. Hillary Clinton and Tina Fey can hold hands and jump off a cliff into a pool of hungry sharks.

[Dinger]

318. Kickin' Again For Lula (nt)

[reflection]

319. Death, taxes and unsolicited LulaMay "sexist" posts.

The three certainties in life.