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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:18 PM
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Hillary's next stop -- Ben Tre,Vietnam
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 11:35 PM by grantcart
To understand the analogy you have to remember the two key phrases that are most remembered (arguably) out of Vietnam.

The first was 'The light at the end of the tunnel'.

It became a regular feature of the military briefing that every 6 months or so a young briefing officer would tell the assembled press corp "that real progress was being made and we are now begining to see the light at the end of the end of the tunnel". Eventually the press corp became more jaded and the comment would be received with loud laughter.

The obscure phrase would become a staple charachterizing the up beat flavor of communication hacks trying to promote a dying cause.



We stepped into the 'light at the end of the tunnel" phase on Feb 11, 2008, when the Clinton campaign firmly proclaimed:
http://cbs4denver.com/national/democrats.hillary.clinton.2.651468.html

"We always knew February was gonna be a good month for him . . . .March is gonna be a better month for us."

With Obama's last two victories he secured that he will net the most elected delegates in March (as he had done in Jan and Feb)




When an object could not be taken in Vietnam it was often decided that it was better to destroy it.



Writing about the provincial capital, Ben Tre, on February 7, 1968, Arnett said: "'it became necessary to destroy the town to save it,' a U.S. major says." To this day, "Ben Tre Logic" is a common saying for whenever a "logical" conclusion is to destroy something out of the perceived best interests of everyone involved.

The kitchen sink campaign is clearly not going to work.

The Clinton campaign is now engaged in a campaign that has two parrallel rails. On the one hand prolong the campaign by reigniting Florida and Michigan. As long as you can prolong it there is always the possibility, growing admittedly remote that the Obama campaign will trip and cause an implosion and you can take the nomination away at the finish line.


If that is not possible then the full logic of Ben Tre will be utilized. By endorsing McCain's 'superior CIC' experience, create bitter divisions (sustained campaign by Ferraro), fostering the feeling that somehow the nomination was unfairly taken with illegitimate means, unfair caucuses, unseated delegations, disenfranchised voters. The general election campaign of 2008 will be destroyed so that the campaign of 2012 will be saved.


And at the same time hoard huge amounts of campaign largesse. With $ 30 million in GE funds that cannot be touched and accumulating funds at $ 1 million a day while spending frugally in media buys (only $ 6 million for Ohio and Texas) it will be possible to leave the 2008 campaign with a future campaign warchest of $ 50 million.


And the final denouement will be to hint that you really wanted to be a team member and would have taken the VP position if somebody hadn't been so egotistical as to not to offer it.


Right now we are like the villagers of Ben Tre and we can hear the helicopters coming.



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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:32 PM
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1. K&R
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 11:33 PM by NJSecularist
:kick:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:54 PM
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3. Recommended ~ waiting for the helicopters
to pick up Pillary. :bounce:
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:01 AM
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5. LOL
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:42 PM
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2. Absolutely brilliant ~ K to the Greatest

I hope the helicopters now will have Kennedy,Gore,Kerry,Pelosi -I have new faith in her after her slam dunk directed at "The Clinton Administration" and perhaps they can pick Pillary up and take her to Promises or the Betty Ford Center.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:55 PM
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4. lol I'll pay for the gas
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:45 AM
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9. Fired Up and Ready to Go!

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:35 AM
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12. thanks
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:06 AM
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6. This reads like propaganda. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:10 AM
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7. So
She never said that March was going to be a good month for her?

She isn't engaging in a devisive campaign by promoting McCain's resume?

She doesn't have $ 29 million in GE money for the future - which also means she would never want to be VP because it would have to be used for this campaign?

You don't think she is accumulating money at $ 1 million a day?

You don't believe the media buy reports.

Tell me that you actually have something more than 'propoganda'.

Tell us you actually do have an arguement with some facts thrown in for fun.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:49 PM
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22. hello? any response?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:12 AM
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8. its pretty sad that a multi millionairess could be so selfish and callow
Time for the Super Delegates to come to the rescue.

Oh, and Clinton's name is tarnished forever. I and others "supported" them
while Bill had all of his zipper trouble and all of their many many scandals,
only because their policies were a little better than the republicans.

But Bill thought he would come back to try to polish his crown, fix what he failed at,
and now he has no legacy. Nothing good. Now I cant stand them.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:50 AM
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10. I was listening to MSM and they said that
many Obama supporters would not mind if they had a Dream Team
and yet Clinton supporters didn't want him on their dream Team...

They must not have checked with us at DU!

I have a ticket that I want to give her, a helicopter ticket to Iraq.
Maybe she could get ready for Day One and meet and greet the people dancing in the streets.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:58 AM
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36. that is a slur against millionaires
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:02 AM
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11. kick
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:42 AM
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13. Great Post
as always
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:45 AM
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14. thanks
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:49 PM
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21. tks
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:11 AM
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15. Top Post!!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:26 PM
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39. tks
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:15 AM
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16. Here's more...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:59 AM
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17. so
which of these facts are you disputing:

She never said that March was going to be a good month for her?

She isn't engaging in a devisive campaign by promoting McCain's resume?

She doesn't have $ 29 million in GE money for the future - which also means she would never want to be VP because it would have to be used for this campaign?

You don't think she is accumulating money at $ 1 million a day?

You don't believe the media buy reports.

Tell me that you actually have something more than a link to 'Onion'

Tell us you actually do have an arguement with some facts thrown in for fun.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:00 PM
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23. hello? any response?
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:08 PM
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18. she absolutely lost me with the whole I heart McCain thing. ugh.....
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:15 PM
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19. it was not an accident - it is a trailer for the next 6 months
they will do everything they can to sabotage the election and at the same time stand on stage and say "I am proud to be here with Senator Obama".
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:37 PM
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20. K & R
:thumbsup:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:28 PM
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53. thanks this post is definitely not for the masses
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:19 PM
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24. Great post!
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 03:22 PM by Walter Sobchak
You've done a great job of capturing the sheer cynicism of Hillary's campaign.

"'It became necessary to destroy the (party) to save it.'" I can't think of a more apt description of Hillary's campaign strategy.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:45 AM
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35. thks
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:33 PM
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25. kick
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:40 PM
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26. Great post
:kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:02 PM
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30. tks
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:43 PM
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27. This is so obvious it's not funny. Thanks for posting this. Too bad the party leadership
have their heads in the sand. Do you think the Repubs would let this shit go on? No fucking way.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:46 PM
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28. Where are the adults?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:51 PM
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29. More Air Power!
;-)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:09 PM
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31. Well that was Nixon's response - will we have to go McGovern in the streets of Denver?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:46 PM
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32. kick
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:59 PM
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33. or as KO said "your campaign is becoming a suicide pact"
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:34 PM
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34. kick
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:02 PM
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37. I keep coming back to this thread. I am convinced this is the gameplan.
I just don't see any other explanation for what campaign Hillary is doing.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:14 PM
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38. I just wonder why the big names are hanging back
Gore
Carter
Mondale
Edwards
Elizabeth
Richardson
Biden




I sure have a completely different opinion about Chris Dodd now.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:34 PM
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40. its the only PLANNING plan that explains it.
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she might just be so incompetent that this is happening, the end result the same, but she's reeling from one failed plan to another.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:11 PM
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41. they have never been incompetent in that sense they have always been considered strategice geniuses
we will have to wait to see

If she walks with a big chunk of money then we will know.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:16 PM
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42. Wow, what don't you learn on DU?
"Ben Tre Logic"..that fits, unfortunately:nuke:

I didn't know "light at the end of the tunnel" came from VietNam? I know I've been using it for a long time.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:55 AM
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43. I am sure that "light of the tunnel" predates Vietnam but it became
used so frequently there that it became interlinked with the briefings that used it frequently
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:33 PM
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44. Kick!
Sadly ironic that they talked, as you described at the top of the OP, about seeing such a light at the end of the tunnel - every six months or so.

With this particular war, we've been "another six months'ed" TO DEATH!!! We've been told to just wait another six months and then we'll see. Or give it six more months and then we'll have a better idea. They've been "another six months'ing" us TO DEATH!!! But it seems there's NEVER a light at the end of the "another six months" tunnel.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:34 PM
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45. Yes and they were very careful never to use the words "light" or "tunnel"
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:38 PM
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46. Exactly right! Although a war chest of just "$50 mill" is just one month's
donations for Barack. The Clinton's are, however, out to burn the whole place to the ground just to satisfy their egos.

:mad:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:11 AM
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49. It will be interesting to see what the newest finance figures say
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:00 PM
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47. Excellent Post. eom
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:05 AM
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52. tks
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:08 PM
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48. Excellent analogy. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:17 AM
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50. tks
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:39 AM
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51. Kick.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:02 PM
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54. Kickin'
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:08 AM
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56. thanks
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MirrorAshes Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:52 PM
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55. K&R
:kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:29 AM
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57. thank you
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