Clinton Supporters: Do You Have a Realistic Plan to Win Without a Devastating Convention Fight?

[DrFunkenstein]

She has less delegates, less states, less votes. She is a consummate insider who opposes an inspired movement candidate who represents change in a change election. She has already run one of the nastiest Dem campaigns in several generations. She has incredibly high negative numbers which would make her unappetizing for Dems running in red states.

As far as I can see, the BEST she can do is get something CLOSE ENOUGH to a tie to give her an excuse to battle it out at the convention. And there is NO WAY that would be pretty. If she tries to grab the nomination without a majority of pledged delegates, I personally plan on organizing protests outside of the convention whether or not the police plan to split my skull.

Even with a Pennsylvania blowout, which won't happen, she can't cross the finish line. And the argument that she wins big states is hardly a winner - because Obama has always kept it close and would carry most of those states - and add a whole lot of new swing states into the mix.

If you have a plan, I'd love to hear it. Because all I can see is scorched Earth if she plans to take it all the way - and McCain laughing all the while.

[TwilightGardener]

1. They don't see anything wrong with what she's doing. In fact, they

APPLAUD the fact that she runs a nastier race than the Republicans did, because they think that means she's a "fighter". It turns a lot of people off (witness Obama's success), but it turns them on. I don't know if it's female revenge fantasies, a need to beat the GOPers at their own game instead of trying a more positive strategy, a complete abandonment of the idea that your President should be someone of high integrity and character...

[jconner27]

8. Yeah winning in places he won't win

All I've heard from Obama supporters we got more states but the 12 out of the 14 he has won he would lose to McCain by double digits in the fall.

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. psst...he's won 26...to Clinton's 16 (plus Democrats Abroad and the Virgin Islands)

and he got more delegates out of 2 of the states that Hillary 'won' than she did.

[XemaSab]

16. She's only "won" 16 if you count Michigan and Florida

(which I don't).

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. 14 then (I don't count those either; those were raw numbers from the BBC, which is usually reliable)

[XemaSab]

15. First of all, he has won 26 states to HER 14.

Secondly, he's won 11 blue states, 4 swing states, and yes, the rest are in fact "red" states. 5 of the 12 "red" states he's won have been won due to overwhelming African American support. (Yes, I said it. Black people are part of our base and if you don't like that you are welcome to re-register as a republican.) The other "red" states he has won are out in the plains and the intermountain west. I don't know why Hillary is doing poorly in the west, but them's the facts.

She has won 6 blue states, 4 swing states (one of which is AZ which we may as well write off), and 4 "red" states. She's doing really well in the southwest for no reason that I can fathom.

So how again is Hillary supposed to bring in more states than Obama? :shrug:

[bunnies]

36. Hey Genius.

Obama has won 28 states. Not 14.

[depakid]

2. Obama Supporters: Do You Have a Realistic Plan to Win Without a Devastating Convention Fight?

Your candidate is NO MORE entitled to the nomination than Clinton is. You don't have the delegates, either -and many think your man is shallow, inexperienced and doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of defeating McCain.

How about a none of the above compromise nominee -who might actually win the White house for the Democrats in November?

[MercutioATC]

4. The American people disagree...

Obama is ahead in pledged delegates. He's ahead in the popular vote. He's ahead in states won.

I'm not demanding that Clinton withdraw from the race...I'm simply suggesting that her supporters can's blame Obama for this continuing bloodbath.

[Spider Jerusalem]

6. Sure.

Majority of pledged delagates, majority of popular vote, majority of states won = enough superdelegates backing a winner on the first ballot to avoid a nasty floor fight at the convention.

[anigbrowl]

9. Yes. Here it is:

1. Fly to Denver

2. Get to convention on time

3. Hold up delegate scoreboard

* remember to thank everyone *

4. Deliver inspirational speech

5. Accept nomination

[depakid]

21. Arrogance and naivety has lost many a general election...

Not that some of the Obama supporters I see seem to care very much about that....

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. You mean like 'inevitability' and thinking there was no need to organise beyond Super Tuesday?

Arrogance and naïveté have certainly cost Hillary her chance at even running in a general election, I agree.

[intaglio]

23. Yeh, inevitable candidates are arrogant and naive in their beliefs

but then Obama never saw himself as the inevitable candidate - he was a man with a plan

[pampango]

25. "Arrogance and naivety" have lost many a nomination for favored candidates.

The fact that Clinton has squandered all the advantages she had a few months ago and is now behind in the nomination race, is hardly an endorsement of her "humility" and "sophistication".

Exactly what "arrogance and naivety" are you ascribing to Obama's supporters?

[depakid]

28. As usual, any criticism of Obama or his supporters HAS TO BE a Clinton supporter

and MUST be answered with some counter charge against Clinton.

I don't know where it came from, but on this site (and all over the web) I've seen more arrogance, naivety (as in -Republicans are going to vote for your candidate) as well as petulence and outright vacuousness than in any previous election I have watched.

First, GD-P, it was a set of Clinton supporters who'd constantly spam the boards with cheap and meaningless polls -as if they were some shibboleth. They weren't.

Now the coin has turned, and every day one can read inane comments about Obama -some of which are actually amusing.

Like the tireless refrains with twisted logic, demanding that a candidate (pick 'em) should drop ut because of so & so. I gotta say, that sort of childishness doesn't reflect too well on the campaign.

[pampango]

29. My apologies. You seemed to be targeting Obama's supporters as arrogant and

naive. It must have been the specific post you were replying to. I agree with much of what you say on the immature behavior of supporters from both camps.

I am still interested to know what "arrogance and naiveté" you were ascribing to many Obama supporters.

[Gore1FL]

11. At present talliy

and assuming a generous and fairly homogeneous 10% CLINTON VICTORY in ever remaining contests, I would expect the Obama strategy to consist of winning of approx 35% of the remaining super delegates.

Of course part of their strategy is to make sure Clinton doesn't win 55% in every future contest as well. Even if she does, winning a little over 1/3 of the remaining Supers is an easier strategy than winning just under 2/3.

[Zhade]

27. Yeah, except for all of his leads.

NT!

[Double T]

3. I look forward to a GREAT convention debate with HRC becoming the Democratic nominee.

I expect BO will be worn out from giving speeches in the Mile High City's thin air.

[XemaSab]

18. He didn't seem to have trouble there at the end of January.

:D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2959938530024024201

[Kittycat]

5. No, what it comes down to is that these people (along with many of us) have...

Supported the clinton's for YEARS. We're known as Clinton Apologists. The difference being, this time around - people noticed that they had options outside of them. Afterall, it's okay - hillary isn't bill, so we can look - just don't touch. But then we found a candidate more appealing than Queen Clinton herself. Where others felt the need to continue bearing the cross the Clinton's put on their back and rode in on. They somehow feel that she must win, at any cost - to justify the burden's they've carried for the clintons all these years.

The problem is, it was an unfair burden to ask us to carry. The clintons were careless, bill was wreckless - and the wake of what they left us with is quite real and painful each day of our lives. But again... Some insist that it wasn't all for nothing. So they'll continue with take up the RW talking points, and tear down any good democrat and progressive to see HRC through to the end. But the problem is, when they get their - the pot of gold will be empty. At best, it will be 4 more years of scandals and non-apologies by the clintons, with the burden hoisted even greater so on to our backs.

Some people are the eternal martyr.

[JVS]

7. Maybe the Clinton campaign can trigger a race war, then after society collapses she can rule a...

patch of what used to be the USA. :eyes:

[anigbrowl]

10. Great...

[Catherina]

13. Don't laugh. The dixiecrats would prefer that to a Black President

When they said scorched earth, they meant it.

Way to go Hillary. She really is a monster. There's NO way a woman that intelligent wasn't aware of the risks of the flames she was fanning. I really loathe her now.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. What about a war against the sexes?

then the latte drinkers and the youth!

I think you are on to something, if she increases
her triangulation into a multidimensional quantum-angulation
she can reach nuclear fission and split the party.

[XemaSab]

20. Obama saith:

Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the bickering.

For I have come to set the latte drinkers against the chai drinkers, the Prius drivers against the Outback drivers, and the granolas against the hipsters; and one's enemies will be those of his own yoga class. Whoever loves indie music or blogging more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves brie or hot tubbing more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his Trek bike and follow after me is not worthy of me.

:woohoo:

[John Q. Citizen]

19. Hillary believes McCain is qualified to overturn Roe v Wade. That will set her up for 2012

[VotesForWomen]

24. yeah, let me know when O gets the required delegates. until then, he's not entitled to anything.

[oasis]

26. Hillary believes that the future of America is more important than the hurt feelings .

of disappointed supporters.:patriot:

However, her campaign's generous VP offer to Obama will help to soothe some of the ill will.

[Drachasor]

31. Offering a VP spot to the person in 1st place is hardly generous, in fact it is insulting

[Apollo11]

30. The plan is that Obama will quit after Hillary wins Pennsylvania

It's a hope-based strategy! B-)

[DrFunkenstein]

32. I've Heard People Say Clinton "Deserves" To Win, But No Actual Plans

I am truly interested in what an actual realistic gameplan would look like.

[David Zephyr]

33. There is one realistic way to change the math: whip up whites against Obama.

And now we can see that is what they are doing over and over again.

[DrFunkenstein]

35. Obama Will Be Ricky Ray Rector By The Time The Clintons Are Done

For those that don't remember, that's the mentally retarded black man for whom Bill Clinton left the hot campaign trail to oversee the Arkansas execution in one of his clever winks to racists.

[Drachasor]

34. 3 easy steps!

Step 1: Continue the campaign
Step 2:
Step 3: Win the nomination!

It's easy!