If Clinton won't bow out, time for Dr. Dean or someone to take her out

[travelingtypist]

If she doesn't and she's the general candidate, anybody
think 90% of African Americans will be voting Democrat?
Are you out of your fucking minds?

That's it. Say sayonara to our hold on the House and
Senate, say buh-bye to any chance at the White House, and
hello to World War 3 thanks to Grandpa Bomb-bomb-bomb
Iran. The Democratic Party will be dead.

Come on, Dr. Dean, Speaker Pelosi, Democratic Party. End
this.

[jlake]

1. I won't vote for Obama - nor will 25% of the other Hillblazer supporters.

Obama has successfully divided the party.

[Unsane]

2. Obama is a coalition builder. Hillary needs his voters more than he needs your vote.

[tabasco]

6. Hillary is a uniter.

She believes in uniting the Democratic party into the republican party.

[Carolina]

67. yep, and she can unite the GOP and GOTV for McCain

in a way repukes can only dream of.

[feedingfrenzy]

89. Attention, PA! Obama does not want YOUR Vote to Count!

He wants to instantly be installed as Das Fuhrer.

[tekisui]

90. Bullshit. Obama has never called for CLinton to drop.

And he is campaigning in PA.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. Hillary is the worst thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party. I'm beginning to wonder . .

whether she's a Rethug plant intent on destroying our party from the inside out.

[jlake]

8. What coalition has he built? That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard

He has alienated 2.5X as much of the Dem base as Hilly has.... and all polls show him losing to McCain.....despite the fact that Obama is currently pristine and unvetted.

[loveangelc]

12. "and all the polls show him losing to McCain"

what polls are YOU looking at? Obama leads McCain on average much more than Hillary.

fail.

[jlake]

14. SUSA state polls, the most accurate polls lately, show Obama losing

MA, NJ, FL, OH, PA to McCain.....

[DiggerDan]

21. No they dont.....

Ohio: Obama 47- 44

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=49c24976-f2bc-4464-85f2-0da141a18f6c&q=45622

Mass.: Obama 48-46 (as if this state would ever be in play for the GOP)

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=62ab4c93-4826-4819-b270-98b429577f32&q=45622

[jlake]

22. Mass will go to McCain in an Obama match up ... watch for it.

[DiggerDan]

24. You're out of your skull

And oh by the way....Obama blows McLame out by almost 25 in Ca., according to SUSA.

And regardless, your SUSA comment was WRONG....twice.

[jlake]

25. Okay... who said he didn't?

[DiggerDan]

26. You did........

"SUSA state polls, the most accurate polls lately, show Obama losing"

Have your forgotten the subject line of your post? You were wrong, twice. Ohio and Mass. He is not behind McCain in those states according to SUSA.

[jlake]

28. I didn't list CA among those Obama would lose though..... odd that you

purposely mis-interpret what I posted.....

[DiggerDan]

30. No I added Calif. for good measure.

Anticipating (no doubt correctly) that would be the next state you would point as one that is in jeapordy when Obama is the nominee.

And there's no misinterpretation. You were wrong on two counts. Ohio and Mass.

[jlake]

31. Ah, so don't say I said it as you did upthread...... sad state of affairs....

[DiggerDan]

33. Never said it

Odd that you would purposely try to spin it that way, but since you were caught not knowing what you were talking about with regard to Ohio and Mass., it's a predictable course of action.

[jlake]

34. Really? What's this.......

DiggerDan (29 posts) Wed Mar-12-08 02:56 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. You did........



"SUSA state polls, the most accurate polls lately, show Obama losing"

Have your forgotten the subject line of your post? You were wrong, twice. Ohio and Mass. He is not behind McCain in those states according to SUSA.

[DiggerDan]

36. Again, deflect all you want.

The fact is Obama is ahead of McCain in Ohio and Mass. according to SUSA. It's not my fault you can't comprehend the phrase "and oh by the way" with regard to Calif.

[DiggerDan]

27. You did........

"SUSA state polls, the most accurate polls lately, show Obama losing"

Have your forgotten the subject line of your post? You were wrong, twice. Ohio and Mass. He is not behind McCain in those states according to SUSA.

[CaliforniaDreaming]

41. Um, no. You are DELUSIONAL.

[cali]

51. Stop pulling

crap out of your butt. MA will not go to McCain, anymore than VT would go to McCain if Hilly was the nominee. And stop posting false crap. Obama beats McCain in head to heads.

[superkia]

71. I just cant imagine Americans voting in another republican, even...

republican voters are sick of them? I don't see where ANY democrat could lose unless the people that call themselves democrats vote for the republican or don't vote at all but then I wouldn't call those same people democrats obviously. Anyone that enables another republican in office should delete their account here and go somewhere else!

[GOTV]

80. Hilarious. You claim SUSA polls most accurate - and disagree with them ONE POST LATER!

Flapping in the breeze

[jlake]

98. The Mass race is within the MOE.... just sayin'

[catgirl]

61. You're gone.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. The math and logic displayed is a reason

why a $15 million dollar creationist museum exist in the US
and faith based science rules.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

29. didn't you predict that Hillary would win Mississippi BIG?

so?

[Hawkeye-X]

87. was that liberalnurse?

Heh.

[CaliforniaDreaming]

40. Wow, TOTALLY DELUSIONAL! Check out the polls on SurveyUSA.com.

Obama doesn't even need the mindless Hillbots. Oh and check out realclearpolitics.com. Obama routinely beats McCain and Billary can't even keep traditional blue states against McCain like Oregon, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Washington.

It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly stupid and ill-informed the Hillbots are. LOL!

[Voice for Peace]

56. jlake, read this article, it is really worth your time

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/

[catgirl]

60. Um, polls show him beating McCain

You are soooo hostile. Hillary is losing. She can't win.

[Carolina]

68. oh really, you need some serious meds

your delusions grow daily!

[davidinalameda]

104. its really sad that I find joy in putting people on ignore

but there are just some people who aren't worth my time

some of these posters need to be put on a 72 hour hold in a nice rubber room

[DiggerDan]

3. And if that's true.....

Are you saying Hillary had no part in it?

[libnnc]

5. Projection.

It's not just for nutters anymore.

[Umbram]

9. Luckily, that 25% is getting smaller as her base gets smaller. (nt)

[jlake]

13. Well, here Democratic base is quite a bit larger than Obama's.

[Catherina]

11. The party will get over it.

There are enough returning independents who were disgusted with where the party went and former republicans with good hearts who are sick enough of the new world order to make up for it.

We're just taking our party back.

You don't think the party allowed this festering sore to explode like this for no reason do you?

THANK YOU HOWARD DEAN! WE TOOK OUR PARTY BACK AFTER ALL!



WE STUDIED QUICK, PLAYED YOUR GAME AND WHOOPED YOUR ASS!

[jlake]

17. Howard Dean will be known as the grim reaper of the Democratic Party.

His partisan shenanigans and outright fraud and hatred for the great Ms. Clinton will cost the party its very existence... watch for it.

[Catherina]

23. Really? Just watch.

And watch this while you're at it... My first thread... with a severe handicap for being an unknown on this board.

Read it and weep

[ScreamingMeemie]

70. His honesty, integrity and concern for Democracy are far more

alive than anything the two candidates can do... He is the reason I stick with the party, if not the pitiful excuses for candidates we have this year.

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[CaliforniaDreaming]

39. Wow you are totally delusional. It's Hillary who decided to

divide the party because she's a big crybaby who can't handle losing.

[jlake]

42. Go dream at your usual website.... kay?

[cali]

50. Anyone who doesn't vote for the dem nominee

is an egocentric little idiot. Period.

[jlake]

52. ............................

:hug:

I'm praying for you.

[cali]

55. don't.

pray for your own redemption and to be restored to some semblance of sanity.

[jlake]

77. Okay Pookie - I'll pray for both of us on those counts.

:hug:

[DemGa]

59. You got that right

I don't think the Obamas realize how badly we are screwn either. Obama cannot win the GE without Hillary's vote (the base, which would be fractured); and Clinton can't win without the AA's etc.

A unity ticket would be the only solution, but I don't see either option there working. I see the Dems headed for an unmitigated disaster. Any way it goes, they'll blame Hillary. Great job Obama.

[Carolina]

65. the cliff awaits the HRC lemmings

[book_worm]

72. We'll miss you after the convention since you will be working for McCain

and won't be on DU doing it.

[L0oniX]

74. I know you have been on DU for a few years but what's gottin into you?

You seem to be making posts and statements designed to cause negative reactions. I am still a newbee and I have made some real bad posts and statements and I am working to be better but what the hell are you doing? Are you saying you would rather see McPain in office than vote for the front runner, Obama? This is NOT RepublicanUnderground.org.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. You also said you'd leave.

So we can exactly expect you to live up to your word.

Btw, how was your MS victory party?

[leftynyc]

94. Please reconsider

Don't let the fact that asshole supporters of Sen Obama have turned you off. He's not my candidate - neither is she - but this country just can't afford 4 more years of pub rule in the white house.

[davidinalameda]

103. are those the ones that Rush and Ms. Coulter recruited for her campaign?

[Beacool]

111. Add me to that list!!! n/t

[silverweb]

4. Love your sig line!

Me, too! Transcriptionist working at home. :hi:

[Cha]

16. It is funny..I'm glad

you pointed it out. :hi:

[silverweb]

20. Hiya, zidzi!

Fancy running into you here! :hi:

[travelingtypist]

35. Thanks.

It's nice to run into you.

I love my job. I even transcribe Democracy Now! shows
as a volunteer.

[Dogmudgeon]

7. "Vote for Obama or else!"

Yeah, that'll work.

--p!

[JVS]

10. Robert Byrd might be able to deliver some harsh condemnation.

[Utopian Leftist]

15. No black vote

She would completely lose the black vote. I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see blacks completely boycott the presidential election. And without the black vote it is impossible for the Democratic Party to win the GE. She'd lose so many Obama supporters that I even imagine the possibility of a third party being born. If not this year then definitely by 2012.

Not that I believe for a moment she'll be allowed to steal the nomination or subvert the role of the ELECTED delegates.

[sandnsea]

18. I think we should just go win Pennsylvania

:shrug:

[MagsDem]

32. LOL -- because Obama says democracy is bad!!!

Could you people be anymore like the rethug Bushbots? I don't think so.

[cali]

53. that would be YOU who's like them. YOU are planning to vote McCain

if Hillypoo doesn't get the nomination. That makes you nothing but....

[CaliforniaDreaming]

38. Obama gets a very high portion of independents and some cross-over Republicans.

Hillary only gets the strategic Limbaugh Republicans and far less Independents.

But the real issue is this: when we have our nominee, I am certain we will have enough time to unite behind our candidate. Unless the loser decides to use "the nuclear option."

[Beacool]

43. If Dean dares to do that, watch how a great percentage of Hillary supporters

defect the party and either vote for McCain or stay home in November.

[Gore1FL]

44. It isn't Dean's call

It's already over, even in most pipe-dream scenarios, it's over.

But a mass of SD could commit to Obama, and it would be over beyond even the pipiest of pipe dreams. That is what would end it.

[depakid]

45. If Obama won't bow out, time for Dr. Dean or someone to take her out

He won't have the delegates to win, either -and has poor prospects against McCain in the fall.

For the good of the party -we need to have a compromise candidate (endorsed by both) emerge from the convention to take the whitehouse.

[catgirl]

63. Poor prospects against McCain? LOL

McCain is as flawed as Hillary. His lobbyist relationships will ooze out of
the woodwork. Obama's already beating him in the polls. You guys will
sat anything in your desperation.

I do like the Gore/Obama scenario if it came to a brokered convention, but
Hillary doesn't stand a chance if it comes down to that. No one will bring
her on as VP.

[greyghost]

46. SHE IS NOT QUITING. What fucking part of that statement do you not understand?

She has more then enough votes to go into a brokered convention and that's what she going to do. DEAL WITH IT.

Everytime one of you asshats post one of these threads I kick her another $100. My family, who has more money then God, does the same.

BTW, I'm an Edwards supporter. So you are not accomplishing anything by posting these threads, you are having the opposite effect.

Grow up.

[travelingtypist]

48. She's lost in every measure that means anything,

so somebody else with more power than her, more money than her,
bigger guns than her, is going to have to take her down.

And they will rather than have her destroy the Democratic Party.

Since it is necessary to restate the original post since you didn't
read it, who needs to grow up here?

What a fucked up mess this is, a power-mad couple who won't see the
writing on the wall.

[greyghost]

84. No, they don't see YOUR writing. She still has a chance to win and

it's driving you CRAZY. As I said, DEAL WITH IT.

BTW, whining continuously about the same subject is not a sign of maturity.

[WilyWondr]

93. Deja-Huckabee

Mike Huckabee intends to fight on.


Good luck Huck...uh.. I mean Hillary.

[cali]

54. Bwahahaha. Your family has more money than god?

Mine doesn't, but let's just say that they're well, not people who brag about their finances but have already given the limit for the primary and general to Obama.

[greyghost]

88. Yeah, they made it before I was born. So what, I'm wasn't taking

credit for it. But I sure as hell know how to spend it.:evilgrin:

The Obamabots who keep posting this crap have been warned repeatedly to stop, obviously they have no concept of backlash. Then they can learn the hard way, they were warned.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. You do realize that all you're really doing is funding the Rethug Party. Thanks for nothing.

[Major Hogwash]

47. She's history, she's yesterday's news, she is so over and done with. Nobody likes her now.

Let her start cackling again. Maybe she drive the crows out of Pennsylvania.

[aquarius dawning]

57. And come November, we'll be saying similar things about Obama.

[Major Hogwash]

75. Who is the "we" you are referring to?

Why do people like you even reply to posts I make here?
Why do you even care?

You want the war to continue for 4 more years?
You want "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran" McCain to be the President?

Hillary is a racist.
Hillary is one of the worst candidates the Democratic party has ever had.
She's a complete loser.

[greyghost]

99. You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not going to change

their minds.

In fact, the only thing you are accomplishing with these posts is irritating Kucinich and Edwards supporters. That's the real make up of DU. If Dennis or John were as close to taking it as Hillary is, none of us would want them to quit.

[greyghost]

95. You betcha. That's politics after all.

[quantass]

49. People are just a little hot headed because the race is where it is...i think some order will be

restored when Hillary does offically bow out...i just dont think large masses of people will not want to vote for a democrat because their fav didnt win.

Obama is a very likeable guy and when GE starts i think alot of Hillary folk will give him a 2nd look (or, rather a FIRST look) and start warming to him over McCain).

Here's to time and healing wounds.

[against all enemies]

58. Is Hillary the Tanya Harding of politics?

She has her surrogates that out the opposition by whacking them.

[Carolina]

69. so true, what a monster

[Texas Hill Country]

78. you gotta be kidding me...

[Carolina]

102. no, I'm not kidding you, I can't stand HRC or her campaign

and I think Samantha Power was absolutely right. She's a monster who will stop at nothing ...

[Lucky 13]

82. Exactly

You hit the nail on the head. She's repugnant.

[shaniqua6392]

62. My prediction:

It will go to the convention. Obama will choose Clinton as VP. He needs her votes and she needs his in order to beat McCain. A large percentage of Americans want this to happen. They need each other in order for the Dems to secure a win in November.

[UALRBSofL]

66. One issue still to be worked out

Florida is still to be decided. So, it could take several months to work florida out and until that's decided both candidates will be in limbo.

[bklyncowgirl]

64. IMHO Party leaders should insure that the campaign is conducted with respect from both sides.

This could be a positive thing for the next couple of weeks if both candidates were to stick to the issues and stop the nasty attacks.

The problem is of course that the candidates, particularly Senator Clinton, have been going at each other in a very nasty and personal way. Worse yet, some remarks by supporters seem to have the potential to alienate large parts of the party that the Democratic Party nominee is going to need in November. Can a Democrat win without a large and enthusiastic African-American turnout. Not bloody likely. While I can't think of any remarks by Obama and his surrogates that would be offensive to women over the age of 50 (I'm one of them so I think I'd notice) It's clear that many of them are not happy with Senator Obama. Once again--this is a key part of a winning Democratic coalition and not to be alienated by any sane Democrat.

The party elders need to get the candidates to tone it down. Of course I have no idea of how to do it. The seniormost of the party elders happens to be in the running to become First Gentleman and has been one of Senator Clinton's more, shall we say, controversial surrogates. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. Bill Clinton is a big part of the problem.

Maybe Dr. Dean should call on Jimmy Carter and Al Gore (both armed with their respective Nobel Peace Prizes) to lay down the law to the candidates and their chief surrogates.

If they can't keep it clean we'd better get used to saying President McCain.

[greguganus]

73. I think it will take Dr. Dean and a tazer. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

79. I can see Hillary screaming: "Don't taze me O!"

[Exilednight]

86. ROFLMAO

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Exilednight]

85. My 100% accurate prediction:

An active sitting US Senator will becoming President for the first time since JFK.

[leftynyc]

91. The only one with the clout

to take her on publicly and win is Al Gore and for some reason he doesn't seem to want to do that.

[goodgd_yall]

92. Sorry---democracy trumps your impatience n/t

[travelingtypist]

96. Lame Rove-like talking point.

She has lost every measure that counts. The person
with the least votes LOSES.

That's democracy. Sorry if you're still trying to
figure out a way for her to steal it.

[greyghost]

100. AMEN

[Bake]

97. How is your shit not racist??

"Obama gets it or every African American stays home!"

Don't you think African Americans can decide for themselves who to vote for once it's down to one Dem v. one Puke? Or do you get to decide for ALL African Americans?

Imagine the outrage if a poster said, "Anybody think 90% of whites will be voting Democrat?"

Your post is sh*t.

Bake

[travelingtypist]

101. Do you really think that the tacit endorsement of racism..

..by HRC by not denouncing Ms. Ferarro's comments isn't going
to harm Democratic Party by telling smart African Americna
voters that hey, an HRC ticket will be just as racist as Grampa
McCain?

How is pointing that out racist?

Your post is sh*t.

[MadBadger]

105. Watch out, a certain unhinged DUer will send this to the FBI or Secret Service

You said "take her out."

[dorktv]

106. You mean Dr. Dean should go over to her and stick her full of some kind of fast acting

killer disease?

[BenDavid]

107. Oh yeah, lets all go with the ROOKIE and leave our VETERAN

ALL STAR sitting on the bench come November. Then when obama gets his ass handed to him by a 71 year old I know what will happen. uh huh The next day you obama folks will come in here and start complaining that come 2012 we will need a fighter. someone that will fight back. someone that does not mind getting down and dirty.....excuse me but we had that candidate in HRC but oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you did not want her because she was a bigot and racist(BS)and she was sooooooooooo polarizing and did not treat the rookie with respect.....

Hell, do not blame me I voted for the one candidate that could win the white house that happened to be a woman.....

[Johnny__Motown]

108. Nixon had lots of experience too, see how that worked out?

[NastyRiffraff]

109. "Dr Dean" has already said, many times, that the voters should have their say.

He's rejected your premature call for any candidate to drop out at this point.

And, are you really saying that if Hillary wins, under ANY circumstances, that we'd lose the White House? What if she had won after Super Tuesday?

[VotesForWomen]

110. right, all of O's opposition should just drop out so he can win. waaaaah. nt