I think my hypocrisy meter just broke....

[Solon]

and the damned thing cost me 125 dollars dammit! :)

Well, since I didn't piss off enough people around here for the past 6 months or so, I figure I'll do it now. Both sides, Obama and Clinton supporters are either going to hate me or reach an understanding between each other, or both, and I'm probably pissing in the wind, but what the hell.

Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to oppose a belief or behavior while holding the same beliefs or behaviors at the same time.

That's a very basic definition, and I'll show how it fits in a minute.

So, I see a lot of genuine outrage against Clinton for her handling of the Geraldine Ferraro debacle and Ferraro's racist remarks, and yes, they are racist, and there is also a pattern to her behavior dating back to 1988, at least, I wonder what she says in private?

I share in this outrage, Ferraro is a racist piece of shit, and Clinton should distance herself from this asshole as quickly as possible. The fact that she hasn't speaks volumes about her.

What I find interesting is this, many Clinton supporters are engaging in behavior that they decried in Obama supporters over the McClurkin debacle. Calling the above scandal "Faux outrage", defending Ferraro, dismissing the racism as irrelevant, etc. That, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of hypocrisy.

Now, the thing is, of course, is that Obama supporters are now decrying the behavior of these Clinton supporters even though they themselves have engaged in that same behavior during the McClurkin debacle. That is ALSO hypocrisy.

I see parallels between the McClurkin and Ferraro debacles, they are unavoidable to draw, both have a history of stating bigotry against certain groups of people, and both have participated, to varying degrees, in both candidate's campaigns, and both candidates, for reason known only to them, have decided, wrongly, in my opinion, to not distance themselves from these bigots.

I find anyone who excuses either candidate for this to be supporting bigotry through, if nothing else, apathy. To be apathetic towards another group of people is a type of "weak" bigotry, but can be even more damaging than being a "strong" bigot.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

Now, for many, on both sides, the fact is that the behaviors of either candidate's campaign is simply inexcusable and/or unforgivable when it comes to coddling bigotry, in any of its insidious forms. So now I ask for both sides to CONDEMN that bigotry, regardless of where it comes from, or what form it takes, and to reach an understanding with each other. This isn't a call for unity, this is a call to condemn both candidates for their actions on their campaigns. There is no high ground here, both candidates are acting like gladiators in a fight to the death, and both are down in the mud, using all the dirty tricks they can think of to win.

To be frank, I'm disgusted with both candidates and I support neither in this primary. All I know is that they are slightly better than the Republicans, and that's about all they have going for them.

[Johnny__Motown]

1. Is McClurkin as close to Obama as Ferraro is to Clinton? (part of the campaign itself)

you may be comparing apples and pumpkins

[Solon]

2. I said there were parallels, not that they were exactly the same...

McClurkin was invited by the Obama campaign to participate in an Obama sponsored concert. Ferraro is on the Clinton staff. The fact is that since neither campaign decided to distance themselves from either bigot, they are comparable.

[Johnny__Motown]

14. Yes, the campaign had McClurkin at one event. Hillary has known Ferraro for decades and she is part

of the campaign


One isolated event that was done by his campaign compared to a personal relationship that has lasted decades.

I'm sorry but to me that is not comparable in any way shape or form

[Solon]

17. Their behaviors in how they have handled either of these debacles is comparable...

I don't care if Hillary knew Ferraro for years, decades, or can't pick her out of a lineup, she should repudiate this bigot, and fire her ass. Obama should have done the same for McClurkin.

[Johnny__Motown]

21. If you say so.. I see McClurkin as someone who is so screwed up with his own sexuality that he just

doesn't understand anyone's sexuality anymore. His comments are an ideology, not a specific attack against one individual. It was also just the one event. I have not seen any pattern of attacks by the Obama campaign against gays.

(Also, hasn't Sen. Obama made some "gestures" to mend fences with the GLBT community? No direct rejection of McClurkin but I think he has reached out to try and make amends.)


His remarks are clearly wrong but they come from a different place than Ferraro's personal attack against Sen. Obama. Also this fits a pattern of racist comments rolled out by the Clinton campaign every time she loses a state with a large African American population.


I still can't compare the two. Sorry.

[sandnsea]

23. Hillary hired homophobes as her SC chairs

and there was never any outrage over that either.

[Johnny__Motown]

26. Two wrongs don't make a right.. that isn't the point (it is a seperate point)

[Solon]

27. Wait a damn second, attack an entire minority group, isn't as bad as...

attacking an individual?

[Johnny__Motown]

34. I didn't mean that. I meant that the personal attack was just that.. a direct personal attack using

race as the weapon


McClurkin's ideology is not attacking an individual using sexuality as the weapon.

This is why I can't compare the two, not that one is less vicious than the other. Just that I can't compare the two.

[Solon]

38. So, in your opinion, since it isn't comparable...

which is worse?

[Johnny__Motown]

51. how do you choose between things you can't compare?

If forced to choose I would say the pattern of repeated attacks is worse than the isolated incident.

Again, I have not seen a pattern of attacks on Gays by the Obama campaign. I have seen a pattern of personal attacks by the Clinton campaign directed at Sen. Obama using race as a weapon.


Add to that the fact that Ferraro is part of the Campaign and McClurkin just spoke at one event and it seems to be a no brainier.


Sorry, I know you disagree with me and I respect your opinion. I just can't equate one guy who is so screwed up sexually that he thinks God cured him from being gay to a former VP candidate who diminished the accomplishments of our next Presidential nominee by invoking race.


EDIT.. I am not saying McClurkin is not worse than Ferraro, I am saying that when looking at the attacks that can be linked to the campaigns one is worse than the other

[emilyg]

4. Ferraro is not part of the campaign.

[Quixote1818]

10. Yes she is. She is on the finance committee. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Just part of the Hillary Finance Campaign Committee who threaten Obama

that he would get no money from her, Damn it!!!

If Hillary would have called her out and fired her
she would get my respect.

This is just another case of her Iraqi War Vote and
judgement.

[RazBerryBeret]

85. then why

did she resign/quit/step down?

[lligrd]

3. You Are Comparing Overt Racism To Calling Someone A

"monster". Remember too that the campaign staffer was fired for the "monster" comment while Hillary basically ignored Ferraro's comment. Your comparing apples to oranges. One was a silly comment, racism is disgusting and should not be tolerated by anyone especially Progressives.

[Solon]

7. Uhm, what?!?!?

McClurkin said the Homosexuality is a "curse" and that they are "killing our children", and that was before his "Jesus saved me from Homosexuality" speech at an Obama sponsored event. You are confusing who I compared the racist to, I compared her to a homophobe.

[usrbs]

84. Ferraro resigned and Hillary apologized.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Action: Monster= Fired

Cause you're Black+ I'm white= still on board

I'm sorry, but even though I nominated your OP, for your writings


it is a moral and political ambivalence that
now says torture is enhanced interrogation in this nation

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. When Ferraro says something that's actually racist, get back to me.

People's definition of "racist" has become laughable around here.

She didn't say anything suggesting a black person lacks something of worth by dint of being black. She did not say anything suggesting that black people are inferior. She did not characterize Obama's behavior as being driven by innate racial traits.

Her comments were about society, and are accurate as spoken. And even if they were wildly inaccurate they would still not be racist comments.

One can say they are insensitive or rude or just plain dumb politics. They are bad comments for anyone associated with a campaign to be making. But there's nothing in there fitting any rational idea of what racism is.

When Ferraro says "black people are killing our children" or promotes a "cure for blackness through prayerful living" then you'll have the equivalency of examples you seek.

[Solon]

8. If I said that "so and so" only got this particular job because of their race...

that would be a racist comment. Don't try to minimize this shit, you would act no better than the Obama supporters during the McClurkin shit.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. I'm not "trying" to minimize it. It is actually minimal.

Sorry... there's no there there.

I do not call people's outrage fake because I don't know their minds. They might be mentally ill, and be genuinely upset. But though I don't doubt some folks are feeling genuine anger, I don't have to buy into the daily hate based on a show of hands. I will not condemn anyone as a racist for comments that are not racist.

To do so merely inoculates and main-streams real racism. It is precisely this kind of parlour game racism hunt over nonsense that allows racists to rationalize their attitudes and dismiss complaints about real racism as just one more over-reaction.

[Solon]

46. Ferraro insinuated that Obama got a "free ride" due to his race...

disregarding his abilities or accomplishments entirely. If that isn't racism, I don't know what is. Its easy to point out overt racism, subtler types are harder to pin down. If someone said that Barney Frank is only where he is now because he's gay, wouldn't that be a homophobic comment?

[Quixote1818]

13. Rush Limbaugh was fired for making almost exactly the same comment.

Do you think Rush was right to say what he said about that football player?

[Usrename]

71. Sure she did.

That is exactly what she said.

"She did not say anything suggesting that black people are inferior."

Obama is inferior because he is black and it is only because of reverse discrimination that he won this election.

[Colobo]

77. Kurt, the woman said the same damn thing about Jesse Jackson in 1988.

She seems to have a problem with black candidates and it's sad to see you defending this.

[lligrd]

9. Oops, You Are Right

I jumped the gun. Apples to pears this time. Still a weak comparison but you do have a point. Apples to pears this time.

[Solon]

11. Question: How is it weak, and why would it matter in any case? n/t

[lligrd]

18. Not Wanting To Give The Spotlight To Someone For A

undeniably (even if wrongly) controversial campaign during his own campaign is understandable. He is for Gay rights and even gave an interview to The Advocate. Hillary's campaign, on the other hand, instigated controversy were it did not (at least openly) seem to be occurring to attack her rival.

[Solon]

24. what do you mean by "wrongly" controversial campaign?

are you saying that GLBT people shouldn't be upset at Obama over his actions during the McClurkin controversy? Also, in addition to that, I don't know how much control either campaign had over either bigot, so I can't comment on that. Whether Ferraro's comments were engineered by the Clinton campaign, I don't know, the fact that she hasn't disassociated herself from the racist, just like Obama didn't of McClurkin, speaks volumes about both of them.

In addition, is there anything in Clinton's voting history that would make you doubt that she wouldn't support civil rights for blacks?

[lligrd]

30. No, I Meant That GLBT Rights Should Not Be Controversial

I think GLBT clearly deserve the same rights as anyone else. Obama has demonstrated his support for the GLBT community and has the better plan to give them rights.

Clinton has always been an advocate for black rights but she has shown her tendency to play dirty during this campaign and now has allowed overt racism to creep into it.

[Solon]

31. How is that any different than Obama with the McClurkin affair?

[lligrd]

43. I Just Explained That nt

[Solon]

45. Actually you didn't, at least not to my satisfaction...

what is it, about Obama's campaign, that makes it any "cleaner" than Clinton's when it comes to bigotry?

As far as I can tell, both have played dirty politics.

[lligrd]

47. You Are Obviously Not Going To Get It

Suffice it to say, if you are a member of the GBLT community, you'd be better off voting for Obama based on his platform.

[Solon]

50. And its damn near identical to Hillary's platform...

Just judging on that alone wouldn't be enough to figure out which candidate to support. But that's neither here nor there, I'm talking about the actions the candidates make during the campaign, not policy positions. If you went with those, then, on balance, both candidates are pretty much carbon copies of each other, with very little differences between them.

[lligrd]

54. If Damn Near Is Good Enough The Go Ahead

I thought you might like the best. I already spoke to the actions. Just scroll up. You haven't rebutted a thing I have already said.

[Solon]

56. The best was Dennis Kucinich...

On pretty much every issue. There isn't much difference between Hillary and Obama, I don't much like either of their's health care plans, their views on GLBT rights and the Iraq war are half assed at best, their ideas for the military are atrocious, etc. The only thing they have going for them is that they are better than the Republicans.

[lligrd]

59. On That We Agree

I was a Kucinich fan myself but we have to go with what we are left with. Obama at least offers some hope that and a message sent to the DLC. It is all I have. And yes, either is better than the Repugs.

[Solon]

63. And that message would be what? That centrism exists outside of the DLC?

If that's the answer, then I would agree. I don't like the DLC, I've read many of their policy positions, but the fact of the matter is that, policy wise, Obama isn't much different than them, he just doesn't affiliate with them.

[lligrd]

66. Regardless, It Is A Message

What does a vote for Hilary say now? That they can do whatever the f*** they want and we will support them?

[Solon]

67. Hell if I know, I stayed home on Super Tuesday...

so don't blame me for any of that shit. I had no candidate to vote for in the Primary, and I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Hillary or Obama. I'll vote for one of them in the General, I won't be happy though. I really despise both of them.

[Ichingcarpenter]

65. GLBT is stated first vs the war

You just revealed what you prioritized,

and inq your weighted opinion.

"their views on GLBT rights................................ and the Iraq war
are half assed at best,

Listen, I'll let you go tonight
because I'm drunk and tired......... LOL


I don't like an argument that is clearly not
a simplistic dichotomy of those two problems

[LostinVA]

75. As a member of the GLBT community, I believe you are very wrong

[Beregond2]

12. Hypocrisy?

McClurkin was an entertainer on the same bill as Obama at one event; and Obama went to great lengths to distance himself from his beliefs. Ferraro is an adviser to Hillary's campaign, and a close personal friend, who almost certainly was acting under instructions, or at least encouragment, from Hillary's campaign. And Hillary took her sweet time rejecting her statments. The two situations are hardly comparable.

[Solon]

15. You seem to be misinformed...

First things first, it was an Obama sponsored event, the Obama campaign had control over who would appear or not appear. When the Obama campaign was informed of McClurkin's outspoken beliefs, before the tour, they refused to kick him off the tour. The most Obama said was the McClurkin was "only going to sing" and that Obama disagreed with McClurkin's beliefs. The fact is that McClurkin ended up as Master of Ceremonies, and was able to give a half-hour speech at the concert. Either the Obama campaign was unaware of McClurkin's intentions that night, or they didn't care, in either case, it either shows incompetence or lack of judgment, and most likely both.

[Drachasor]

19. I'm not familiar with this even entirely, but given that

It seems that Obama has learned to do a lot better. He's handled such difficulties quickly and decisively since then, has he not?

Meanwhile, Ferraro is just the latest in a list of gaffes by the Clinton campaign (saying McCain passed the CiC test and Obama didn't, saying Obama was imitating Ken Starr, etc), basically none of which they took decisive action on.

The situations may be similar, though Ferraro has a lot more ties to Clinton and Obama clearly learned from his mistake. Personally, I like the candidate that learns from his/her mistakes.

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. You still are saying he was a major super delegate like Geraldine

That the weight of his thought has the same weight as a Democratic candidate
that ran for VP in 1984 and I voted for.

I firkin hadn't heard of McClukin, until DU
and that story, has no power.

It sucked, but please, the weight is hardly the same.


McClukin= not a super delegate or even a member of Obama's campaign

Geraldine is a paid member and a super delegate.

Now, do you want to weigh the political and moral gravity of McClukin's shit
and Geraldine?

I don't think you see the elephant in the room
and are just looking at the mouse.

[Solon]

25. Where the hell did I say that McClurkin was a super-delegate?

don't put words in my mouth, I said that he was involved in Obama's campaign during the tour, which is absolutely true. Also, the fact that homophobia gets less play in the media is no excuse to say that homophobia doesn't matter.

[Ichingcarpenter]

33. You weighed their influence on the electorate as being

relatively equal, I think the analogy of the two you described
is weighted poorly. The point is, she is a super and he is nothing.
I thought you didn't include that in your post and it needed to be pointed out.

Obama couldn't fire him, she could fire her.

[Solon]

42. Actually, yes Obama could have fired him...

It was in his power to kick McClurkin off the concert tour, he chose not to do so. In addition to this, their influence on the electorate may, or may not, be equal. The fact is that McClurkin IS popular among some segments of the population, and therefore exerts some influence, otherwise he wouldn't have been chosen for the tour at all in the first place. In addition, I don't CARE about his "electoral" influence, I care about his cultural influence, which is more damaging, in my opinion. McClurkin claims to be "ex-gay", and GLBT teens and their parents listen to that message of false hope, and who knows how many GLBT people who are miserable will try drastic measures to try to change themselves to be acceptable in our culture of intolerance. Or even the measures some of their parents will take to try to change them.

That is what is so upsetting about the whole thing, it can lead to real life or death consequences, the fact that Obama gave this guy a scintilla of credibility by inviting him to not only perform, but speak, is inexcusable.

[Ichingcarpenter]

52. I understand your Gay anger

when it came down, I was disappointed too.
He was not my candidate at that time

If you think the strength of that episode plays
into the psyche of the progressives electorate,
then so be it.


Now, I don't want to race to the next thing that is progressive;
that track has alreadied been bloodied by the runners and judges
in the field of history, before we knew what sex they were,
or who their partners were


But, I guess you know that race that we all run
as human beings, on an even playing field.

[Solon]

55. OK, WTF is "Gay Anger" and what the fuck does the rest of you post have to do...

with the the subject of this thread in the first place? Also, just to let you know, I really hate the word "progressive" what a mealy mouth type of cop out for those who can't say they are centrists, and really hate liberals and leftists, like myself.

[Ichingcarpenter]

60. I am not a centrists and I don't think I was mealy mouth

in my reply. The political weight I described you still haven't
weighed in on, except by stating


'I really hate the word "progressive" what a mealy mouth type of cop out for those who can't say they are centrists, and really hate liberals and leftists, like myself.'

Honest my friend, that was honest.

[Solon]

62. I told you I wasn't too concerned about the political weight...

but the legitimacy Obama gave to a homophobe during a sponsored event. That should be a concern, regardless of political weight, and as I said, its the cultural influence that I'm concerned with more than how many votes it would either gain for him or lose for him. I frankly don't care about that, I don't have a bone in this primary race, my candidate dropped out(DK).

Also, I identified myself as a leftist, hell, I'm, for all practical purposes a Marxist, so what? All I think of when I hear people say Progressive is the Progressive Policy Institute, which is a centrist entity. Most people I have seen that call themselves Progressives are actually centrists who dress up to play populist. Obama isn't that much different than the rest of them.

[LostinVA]

74. First, off that poster is STRAIGHT

Secondly, please explain to me what "gay anger" is.

[TechBear_Seattle]

86. I expect it means...

Any expression of anger or dismay over support given virulent anti-gay bigots by people who should damned well know better. It is a convenient term that also carries a sense of, "You are irrational so I don't have to listen to anything you have to say."

[MonkeyFunk]

81. According to this

Ferraro is not a superdelegate:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=New_York_2008_presidential_primary_and_superdelegates

[sandnsea]

22. If Obama supporters say "Ferraro, Ferraro, Ferraro"

For the next 6 fucking months, then you might have a comparison. It isn't the original complaint of the incident that anybody objected to, it's that every single time you say anything about anything -- some Clinton supporter will say McClurkin and that's supposed to be the end of any discussion about anything. THAT is the faux outrage Obama supporters have complained about.

[Solon]

29. That's bullshit, and you know it...

being one of the worst offenders, you and all your groupies have harped on this "faux outrage" shit since the BEGINNING of the controversy, even before the damn tour took place. So don't start with that shit. You are one of the worse hypocrites around.

[sandnsea]

32. Was I wrong?

Did it ever stop? Aren't you doing exactly what I just said? Any time there's any complaint about Hillary - up comes McClurkin and everybody is supposed to shut up. Time after time after time. I didn't put up with it then and I'm not going to put up with it now. It's a bunch of bullshit.

[Solon]

36. Why the fuck should it stop?

Obama still hasn't apologized, and in case you are too dense to figure it out, I'm slamming Hillary for behaving in a similar way.

I know its too hard to figure this out, but guess what, some of us are genuinely pissed at BOTH OF THEM for pulling shit like this. Why the fuck should we tolerate it from one campaign and not the other?

[sandnsea]

37. Yeah, Hillary's campaign has almost daily episodes

and that's exactly like one event last October. She could literally call him the "n" word and all you'd do is say "McClurkin" and pretend it was all equal.

[Solon]

39. So wait, are you saying that homophobia isn't as bad as racism? n/t

[sandnsea]

40. I'm saying Obama did nothing homophobic

as opposed to the Clinton campaign which is just an endless cess poll of racism - and homophobia - and all you can do is yell "McClurkin".

[Solon]

44. See, I disagree there, both candidates have pandered to bigots...

I don't see why you would excuse one but not the other. That is what I'm pointing out. I don't give Hillary a pass on this either, so why the fuck do you always go there? Is that all you got?

[sandnsea]

48. No no no

The Clinton campaign did a helluva lot more than pander to a bigot. A lot more. Sorry you can't see it. And YOU went there with your OP, not me. Sorry you expected everybody to just line up and take yet another McClurkin whipping, you should have known better. You simply cannot answer every single blessed thing Hillary does with but but but "McClurkin!!".

[Solon]

53. Like I said, is that all you got?

You seem to be, sadly, under the mistaken impression that I would dare deflect racism or criticism of Hillary by mentioning McClurkin. Apparently, my OP just went straight over your head. For that, I'm sorry you lost the nuance of my post. I didn't attempt to deflect on what Hillary's campaign has done, on the contrary, as I said, I condemn her and her campaign, I'm just asking for consistency from both sides. Is that too much to ask?

[sandnsea]

57. You DID

Somebody does it every single time one of these incidents come out of Hillary's campaign. Obama supporters have literally forgotten more bigoted shit from Hillary than is remembered. There is simply no comparison and her campaign is actually defended when you pretend you're just being "consistent". Obama would have to appear with Fred Phelps for several months to even begin to get as bad as Hillary's campaign.

[Solon]

58. Where have I defended the Hillary campaign? Put up or shut up.

[sandnsea]

64. You refuse to see it

Nothing I can do about it if you think 3 months of bigotry is the same as one incident that was never repeated.

[Solon]

68. Well, shit, if you want to go there, why not mention the gaffes that Obama has made...

in regards to how he didn't apologize about McClurkin, indeed, even excused his bigotry at one point by saying he only wants to change the unhappy gays, to saying, later on, that gays should get a "basic set of rights" whatever the fuck that means. This went on in the space of a few months as well. Is it somehow more excusable because he's your favorite candidate?

The fact is that Hillary is running an atrocious and racist campaign, but you can't sit there and claim that Obama is some shining beacon of light in this regard. Political campaigns are atrocious affairs in the best of times, and ugliness is shown all the time. We should, regardless of who we support, condemn them when they fuck up, if we can't do that, then what's the point of supporting any candidate?

[sandnsea]

70. Now you're distorting what he said

He never said he wanted to change 'unhappy gays' at all and the basic set of rights are the same basic set of rights marriage provides me. You're doing it again. You're turning Obama's campaign into something it isn't which rationalizes away all the shit that really has happened in Hillary's campaign.

[Solon]

78. Where's the distortion?

The concert was to be the highlight of this outreach and while the crowd left excited, it was clear the campaign still regarded the controversy as complicated. Aides gave reporters a three-page memo detailing McClurkin's and Obama's views on gay rights that noted in capital letters "MCCLURKIN DOES NOT WANT TO CHANGE GAYS AND LESBIANS WHO ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR LIVES AND HAS CRITICIZED CHURCH LEADERS WHO DEMONIZE HOMOSEXUALS," with quotes detailing those statements from the singer.

The next paragraph then stated "OBAMA DOES NOT AGREE WITH MCCLURKIN'S VIEWS ON GAYS."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/29/post_159.html

This came from a memo from the Obama campaign, its pretty horrific, all in itself. I added the bold, but not the capitalization.

Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."
Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

This next quote is even worse, but mostly because its subject to interpretation. Someone should ask Obama for a clarification about the "live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination" part, it smacks of blaming the victim.

[Solon]

61. Let's be clear, here, I was inspired to, start this thread because of the actions of Hillary...

supporters. I saw them try to minimize this incident by calling it "faux outrage", staged, etc. and it upset me greatly, and it reminded me of how Obama supporters acted during the McClurkin debacle. Try to gain some perspective before you go off half cocked on me again.

[Lerkfish]

73. i think the thrust of your thread, the "hypocrisy" is valid, but say they are equivalent

is not, in my opinion.

I think both sides minimize any negatives about their candidate and campaign, and maximize their outrage against the other.

in that, you are correct.


but what is different is that these are not two equivalently run campaigns at all. and the offenses of one vastly supercede the offenses of another.

[Solon]

79. How does one offense vastly supercede another, and which campaign has done that? n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. Again the weight is a false comparison

the moral, political and media national influence
is the difference between an elephant and a mouse.

Hey, my neighbor is an asshole if that counts
who I talk to but don't put him on my payroll.

[depakid]

35. K & R

[Zhade]

49. There may be a difference in degree versus kind in the two candidates, but DAMN GOOD POST!

I condemn it, anywhere and everywhere.

Can't kick this high enough.

YES, #5

[Solon]

80. I just find both candidates' actions to be deplorable, I don't understand why people...

have a problem with opposing bigotry on a consistent basis.

[Solon]

69. Fuck it, I'm going to bed, let the cults of personality commence in bashing each other!

I've been up too long anyways.

[Perry Logan]

72. Yes, it does sound broken.

[formercia]

76. Geraldine Ferraro works for Blank Rome

If there ever was a nest of right-wing reactionary vipers, that's it.

She is the voice of the entrenched theo-fascist oligarchy that has been calling the shots in US politics for many generations.

It's time for everyone to disavow her and the bunch of nazi wannabes she rode in with.

[OhioBlue]

82. you would have a point if Obama

was running against a gay candidate. Everyone has someone involved in their campaigns that they can't control and who say stupid stuff. The difference is that Clinton seems to be using it as a campaign strategy to court her "White, rural, blue collar voters".

[cooolandrew]

83. I am not aware butdid McClurkin say homophobe statementsin teh context of the campaign ?

Geraldine regardless of her past said it within a campaign she was representing it is a big difference.

[TechBear_Seattle]

87. Feh! You can buy hypocricy meters by the dozen at Archie McPhee

Along with irony meters and God detectors. (They might be out of stock; there has been quite a run on these items since the primary season began. However, they do have a lot of other nice crap.)

http://www.mcphee.com/