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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:44 AM
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The Reason Why Racism STILL Exists in the U.S. Is reflected by the idiotic racist statements at DU
The Reason Why Racism STILL Exists in the U.S. is reflected in the idiotic racist statements here at DU.

I am totally shocked at some of the racist comments being made here to justify Ferraro's comments or Clinton's tactics. This is why Clinton's team is doing them. They know that many people do not have a clue when it comes to be discriminated against or what racism is really about. And they are proven correct by the statements of their supporters here. To see fellow members of DU show their ignorance of this issue is simply sickening. All for the sake of supporting their candidate. They are unwilling to see how evil her campaign is for the sake of their own pride and choice. But they are ignorant to the reality that is racism in America.

Racism is still an issue in this country and African Americans are still discriminated against on a daily basis. The effects of discrimination are easily observed and are demonstrated in the 1960's a famous psychologist by the name of Dr. Kenneth Clark. You can see his experiment reproduced by a High school student who attempted to find out how America has really changed. The results of her reproduction today can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg Clearly, not much improvement has been made. To deny progress is wrong. There have been great strides made, but we have so very far to go before people of color can believe they are equals with the caucasian population. After 40 years, I wonder how long it will really take.

The Clinton team has shown, not just ignorance or a mistake or two, but a patterned behavior in her campaign. First, in New Hampshire, when Clinton's campaign co-chair used coded racial language to falsely accuse Obama of being a drug dealer. Then, in South Carolina with Bill Clinton saying Obama would not have won if it weren't for the black vote. Then the use of the photograph of Obama in native garb in Africa to portray him as a Muslim (note: the Clinton campaign has never denied sending this email out. Clinton has only denied its existence). Then Clinton's use of language to deny Obama was a Muslim, "as far as <she> knows." We all know what she meant. And I'm not confusing racial bigotry with racism here. It's really the same pattern of behavior: using fear of race or fear of religion, it's the ultimately the same thing. Then darkening Obama's face in the ad (even Fact Check has to admit that the video is darker, they just don't have the evidence to convict her on motive. From http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html : "But without further evidence to the contrary, we see no reason to conclude that this is anything more than a standard attempt to make an attack ad appear sinister". And now, most recently with Ferraro, a member of Clinton's team proclaiming that Obama is "lucky to be black" and that he wouldn't be winning "if he were white." Instead of denouncing this obvious racial statement, Clinton says she simply doesn't agree. Ferraro, amazingly, does not apologize, but instead says she's being attacked "because she is white."

And there you have it. The entire reason why they are doing this: they want to make it appear as if Obama is using his race to win. This is the only hack-and-burn strategy they have. If she can't win, we'll make Obama look like he's the racist using his skin color to win. They've had this card in their back-pocket the entire campaign. They've just been waiting to be able to say it loud and clear.



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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:51 AM
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1. Thanks berni, we needed another flame bait thread from the pretend-hypersensitive wing.
Obama's Swiftboat has jumped the shark.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:52 AM
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:03 PM
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54. ...
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:08 PM
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56. Just like we needed hateful garbage from the race-baiting wing.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:10 PM
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62. You obviously can't read and your attempt to hate-spam has failed
the mods have been deleting your flame/hate-baiting all day.
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:56 AM
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3. Hillary appeals to the worst angels of our nature.
She knows there are xenophobes, racists, and Islamophobes in the country, and in the Democratic Party (or at least in the primary electorate). She can feed the hate that lies in wait in the back of people's minds (or is even closer to the front, in some cases, sadly) and use that hate to convince people to vote for her. She is a biofouler, to use a science term, a parasite like a barnacle that inhibits normal, healthy function. She has shown herself to be a vile and disgusting person.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:03 AM
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7. and, yet another post filled with hate and and lies
. . . claiming concern over some slights from Clinton. My question would be, how can you judge her when you are so willing to dish out your own 'vile' insults?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:38 AM
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33. Sen. Clinton lost me at "spade work"
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:11 AM
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40. The idiom "spade work" has nothing at all to do with race. Here's an English lesson for you:
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:16 AM by MethuenProgressive
http://bits.westhost.com/idioms/id559.htm


spade work
first stage of the work, preparation for later work, pave the way
Paul did the spade work for our food bank. He asked each of the merchants for a donation.


You've been educated on this many times, but you keep spamming DU with the same "she lost me at spade work" line. Convince yourself yet?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:44 AM
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49. I doubt that.. So many people say that. i do not or have i ever
believed that they ever supported Clinton. it is just a way of say "Wow look at me i found the light" i guess i can never play spades again, or spade my garden...Well if Obama is elected maybe he can get those words censored.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:14 AM
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10. Hear Here!!!!!
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:57 AM
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4. Excellent summary
It's incredible what some of Hillary's supporters will try to justify.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:58 AM
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5. you lined up a host of lies as fact
good luck with that. I see this as much more pernicious than some DUers attempting to address the issue in agreement with the Clinton camp.

And, Obama HAS used his race to attract votes. I don't give a shit, but to deny that is to deny his outreach to the very African American communities which have provided some of his largest margins of support in his campaign.

And you can't address ANY of this with any credibility as long as you are furthering these lies you've listed as fact.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:01 AM
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6. You are one of the people here I am most shocked at and saddened by bigtree.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:07 AM
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8. Well, I have my own perspective on race. It comes from personal experience
. . . and not as some academic exercise in support of a candidate.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:14 AM
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9. Yeah, it's REAL CLEAR... that's for sure...
...that you have your own PERSPECTIVE on race.

So that's what it's called now...PERSPECTIVE?? :puke:

Welcome to my IGNORE list...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:24 AM
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:27 AM
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13. "And, Obama HAS used his race to attract votes"
How has he done that?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:34 AM
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17. There is no more of an intellectually dishonest position in this election
. . . than to assert that Obama hasn't advantaged himself of his racial affinity with the black community to appeal to black voters. I suppose you'll say, as well, that Hillary Clinton hasn't advantaged herself of herself of her gender affinity with women to appeal to them.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:46 AM
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19. How has he advantaged himself differently than say Jackson, Sharpton, Mosley-
did? What has he done that they didn't do to garner such a large percentage of the black vote down yonder? What has Hillary done to do it amongst women and what has Hillary done to advantage herself to receive such a large portion of the Latino vote?

Are Latino's racists against blacks because they vote for Hillary in large numbers? Are white woman racists for voting for her in large blocs? Are white men and men in general sexist for not voting for her (forget color)? Also, what do you think of those blacks that do vote for Hillary and those Latinos that do vote for Obama, what about Asians and whites on both sides? Are they the only enlightened ones?

IMHO, things can't always be reduced to "racism or racists" behavior, it's too easy and people love to take that route. I'm sure you will come back with some nasty and biting comments because that's all I've received from you since I've been here..flame away an have fun, I've spoken my peace, so peace and hairgrease.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:51 AM
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21. who said it was different? Now you're admitting it to be true.
And where did I call that 'racist'?

What IS your argument anyway? Never mind.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:09 AM
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23. I didn't say you said it was racists, I was going with the theme of the thread by many
I thought we could have a discussion but apparently not possible and that's fine.

Moving along
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:49 AM
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37. Blacks weren't voting for BO 9 to 1 until AFTER SC, your argument is factually wrong
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22160376/

“...There is a sizable divide in the preferences of white and black voters in South Carolina: Obama runs even with Clinton among likely African-American voters (Obama 44 percent vs. Clinton 43 percent)..."
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:13 AM
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42. Obama's Swiftboating of the Clintons on Race in SC worked well.
Karl Rove is no doubt proud of Obama.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:19 AM
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11. The Clinton campaign is tacky
I'm actually disappointed with her campaign and I don't think she or Bill condones the vitriolic and racist attacks. I think she has a poor line up of aides and advisors all pulling in different directions. If however she has really stooped to this level I will not put a Hillary sign in my yard for the GE if she is nominated!!!!!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:23 AM
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12. Likewise, If I actually believed Obama was the sum of idiots who've spoken for him
I couldn't support him. I believe that the two are fine folks with an active and, sometimes, rogue following.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:40 AM
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18. yes
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:31 AM
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14. De-bunking one lie:--Obama himself said he takes Hillary at her word that she knew
nothing of the phote.

At the Cleveland debate on national television.

"SEN. OBAMA: Well, first of all, I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo. So I think that's something that we can set aside."

http://thejournal.epluribusmedia.net/index.php/state-news/ohio-news/58-cleveland-debate

March 10, 2008

“When in the midst of a campaign you decide to throw the kitchen sink at your opponent because you’re behind,” he said, “and your campaign starts leaking photographs of me when I’m traveling overseas wearing the native clothes of those folks to make people afraid"

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry3923339.shtml


……Then the use of the photograph of Obama in native garb in Africa to portray him as a Muslim (note: the Clinton campaign has never denied sending this email out. Clinton has only denied its existence)……..
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:49 AM
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20. Apples and oranges. He's talking about her statement, not about what the campaign is doing.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:56 AM
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22. Oh, that's just slick.
Hillary IS the campaign, and, is NOT the sum of all of the folks who make idiotic statements and do idiotic things. Obama loses credibility in turning around and accusing her campaign as if it was some sort of approved tactic.

As if Drudge has ANY credibility AT ALL for Democrats to further the smear he attributed to a 'Clinton campaign staffer' who he STILL hasn't identified for us.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:15 AM
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26. Yes, that posters relies on Drudge for news--as did Obama. they got Duped!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:40 PM
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51. Hey, the Clintons are using Rush Limbaugh as their mouthpiece now, so why wouldn't they use
Drudge to leak a photo?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:13 AM
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25. BO said he was willing to put the issue aside--But he lied--He brought it up on the stump
2 days ago.

He dis-honored himself.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:46 AM
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36. link to his "willing to put issues aside" when it comes to racist comments?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:32 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:17 AM
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27. Is your sarcasm button on?---but i do agree with your second comment.
It's the sexism, stupid.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:34 AM
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16. Berni, - here is my take -
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 08:38 AM by FlaGranny
My favorite candidate was Kucinich. He dropped out and I chose Edwards. Then I knew he had no chance, so my choice was between Clinton and Obama (who I wasn't very familiar with yet). I had a very difficult time deciding which of them to vote for. I decided for certain on Obama the day of our primary (Florida - of all places). At that time, I was beginning to see the pattern of behavior you have so well described. From that time on, all the things you describe have become more and more obvious to everyone. The Clinton campaign puts out some "dirty garbage" and then blames Obama for it. Thus, the reaction to a racist remark itself becomes the racism - not the original racist remark. I wonder how long people are going to blindly accept this behavior from her campaign. I can only feel that accepting such behavior proves that one agrees with the race baiting going on. It makes me very sad. I always thought Clinton was a good candidate and every day she's proving me more wrong. I worry what might be the outcome of all this in the long run. I am an older white woman whose Daddy raised her to be as non racist as it was possible to be at the time. But I certainly hear what other whites say and I know with a certainty that it is true that racism still is virulent in the U.S. and it is quite obvious on this board as well. I worry about future race relations and I worry about Obama because of this garbage.

Edit: I've just re-read this thread and find it totally amazing. I can't understand how the racism isn't obvious to some people - or is it?
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:19 AM
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28. There's a lot more racism out their than people want to admit...
even among people who generally consider themselves to be progressive Democrats. It's not easy confronting one's views that others might consider racist. I make a concerted effort to check myself, and respect others' beliefs and values.

However, even a casual observer would be hard pressed to not see the blatant racism that has driven the HRC campaign since the South Carolina primary. It is often carried out by surrogates, so as to keep HRC's hands as clean as possible. She even had to reign in WJC because it was becoming too obvious re: what he was up to.

Anyone who has lived in the South knows that there are a significant number people who only need a little encouragement to revert to more overt racism that was (sadly) socially acceptable 30 or 40 years ago. The fact that the CLintons are exploiting this makes me sick to my stomach. They should be, to paraphrase Lincoln, encouraging the better angels of our nature, not feeding the hatred that for too long consumed the South.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:01 PM
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71. boom
"Thus, the reaction to a racist remark itself becomes the racism - not the original racist remark."

Exactly and very astute.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:11 AM
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24. Obama's Campaign and Many DU Supporters Have Been Using Race to Make Him Untouchable
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 09:38 AM by Crisco
Here's an example of what happens. On the night of the Iowa caucus, an Obama supporter started this very nice thread, that most DUers, even most Hillary supporters, were supportive of. Those who took issue, for the most part, laid out their differences reasonably, for the most part:

It warms my heart to see this handsome strong, proud black man
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3944738

Here's another:

Jan. 3, 2008: The Night Dr. King's Dream Came True
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3953846

On the surface, there was nothing wrong, at all, with either of those thread starters and ensuing conversation. On the other hand, there was shit like this thrust in the face of everyone else's supporters:

We must come together and support our nominee - Barack Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3943732

Bill Shaheen starts talking about Obama's past drug use and is branded a racist. WTF?


OTOH, it's perfectly acceptable for Jesse Jackson Jr to go on TV and talk about Hillary's "false tears."

Double standards 'r us, anyone?

And how about this racist thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4014875

That's how it's been since day 1, once things started to roll. Hope on one hand, threats on the other and a kick at the chick to peel off female voters. While they may have worked for the Democratic primaries and caucuses, the Obama campaign is going to have to try something else in the GE. This shit isn't going to fly.

FTR, Ferraro's comments are a major gaffe. That's what you call it when someone has the poor taste to point out an unfortunate truth that people need to wake up to.



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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:36 AM
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32. you're being dishonest about Shaheen...
Bill Shaheen starts talking about Obama's past drug use and is branded a racist. WTF?



Wrong. Shaheen didn't just start talking about Obama's past drug experimentation, which Obama himself has mentioned. Shaheen attempted to start a new meme: Obama as possible juvenile drug dealer. In the popular imagination, youthful drug experimentation and drug dealing suggest very different things, and the latter is a racially-loaded image.


Sorry, Crisco, but you're not being honest about this.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:42 AM
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34. Oh, Bull
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 09:42 AM by Crisco
There's nothing racially inherent with drug dealing, as any white high-schooler can tell you.

"Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though."

That's NOT experimentation.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:12 AM
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44. I said the image of a juvenile dealer was a racially-loaded IMAGE in the public mind , and it is...
Of course dealers in reality come in all colors. But if we did an implicit associations test with the words "sixteen year-old drug dealer" and a picture of black kid and a picture of a white kid, which button do you think people would press quicker? Honestly, now.

"Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though."


I'd call that experimentation. It certainly doesn't sound like the daily grind of addiction.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:41 AM
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48. Wait. Wait. Wait
It's either addiction or experimentation?

There are millions of people in America who used drugs as teens and young adults without flipping their cars or anything else over. Is Obama not one of them?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:08 AM
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39. Sorry NorthernSpy, but what you say about Shaheen isn't accurate.
Post the whole quote please, and prove me right.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:15 AM
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45. saying that the GOP will go there, as a way of going there first...
Ooooh -- clever.


:eyes:


Shaheen fooled exactly one person: you.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:31 AM
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46. So you're not going to post the whole quote because the truth scares you?
Truth sure seems to abnormally frighten Obama followers.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:29 AM
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30. Here, here
I'm no longer surprised by what comes out of peoples' mouths. In fact, I've come to expect it (especially from some DUers).

K&R
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:33 AM
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31. I fear the Clintons are using the Dixiecrat strategy
I hope not, but the way this election seems to be going -- nudged along by the messages coming out of the Clinton campaign -- there seems to be a Dixiecrat strategy of kowtowing to prejudice within the Democratic Party.

Not as blatent -- and probably not intentional -- but this whole notion of appealing to white working class voters is the same basic strategy.

The Democratic Party ought to be appealing to working class voters -- period.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:45 AM
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35. The black name resume study was the biggest indicator to me the level of racism that still exist....
...in America today, white people are blown away with it outcome and sometimes I see the same rationalizing of the outcome that I see here in regards to GF's comments.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/29/national/main575685.shtml
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:07 AM
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38. Thank you, moderators!
:applause:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:12 AM
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41. For What?
Sorry, just a bit confused.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:32 AM
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47. I'll send you a PM
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:49 AM
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43. From An Objective Point Of View, It Seems You And Those Like You Are Pushing The Race Issue More
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:52 AM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
than anyone else.

I definitely disagree with Ferraro's comments the other day but those had nothing to do with Hillary. If any camp has used race more it has been undoubtedly in my opinion the Obama campaign.

As far as your accusations, I still see nothing racial whatsoever in Shaheen's comments. They were underhanded comments nonetheless, but not racial ones. Bill Clinton's comment was probably not the smartest thing in the world either, but I think he was trying to downplay the loss far more than any hint of racism. He also acknowledged that Hillary was getting women more readily as well. His comments were also not far from the truth, since Obama's victory there definitely had a lot to do with race, though his competence and skill of course were major factors as well (since obviously he received a whole lot of votes that had nothing to do with race). But race was still inarguably a factor. Moving on to the drudge photo, there has been NO evidence WHATSOEVER that this came from the Hillary camp, and if anything there was some circumstantial evidence that would lend itself to the conclusion that it came from the right wing itself. Using this as proof of Clinton race baiting is highly disingenuous, and if anything once again shows that his side doesn't mind using the tactic quite readily. When Hillary's 'as far as I know' remarks are taken in full context with her whole statement, it is obvious that she wasn't using race baiting whatsoever and was quite clear in her statements as to Obama not being a muslim. The way her phrasing has been parsed is once again race baiting tactics on the part of his side, not hers. And finally, that whole video darkening thing? Those who see it as anything else other than benign, and truly believe it was done with racial intentions, are literally out of their minds and have lost their grip on rational reality. That whole thing is one of the most ludicrous and highly irrational charges of this entire campaign season.

Personally, it gets a bit tiring seeing all these charges of racism being so readily thrown around. Racism is a heavy charge, and shouldn't just be used to slander another recklessly. That's what many of you have been doing and I find it a tad disgusting. From an objective perspective, I find the tactic of bringing race into this issue to be far more prevalent on his side than from the Hillary side, and I think it's enough already. Ferraro's comments were definitely over the top and I condemn those remarks, but she wasn't speaking in any way shape or form on behalf of Hillary. Outside of that, I don't see one legitimate charge of race baiting or racism towards the Clinton campaign that has had any real merit other than to just stir up shit.

It's enough already. It really is. And to any who are just lunging at their keyboards to call me this, that or whatever other stupid reply they're ready to spew, I won't be responding. My preceding post is as genuine as I could muster and from as an objective of an eye as can be found through this. This isn't about bias nor partisanship, since I'm really quite at the point where I don't give a fuck who wins anymore. But racism is a big deal. Using it so recklessly for sake of campaign rhetoric is just fucking dumb. Enough already.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:39 PM
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58. Excellent post. I doubt the OP will read it, though.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:25 PM
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67. I can't. That person you replied to is on ignore
You aren't far from my ignore list either.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:07 PM
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50. Just looking at the responses in this thread by the Clinton supporters proves the OP
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:07 PM by berni_mccoy
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:43 PM
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52. It's sad to see this race baiting pile of flame bait getting recs.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:43 PM by MethuenProgressive
I can't wait until we have a nominee, because either way, the HillHaters will leave en mass.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:01 PM
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53. If it were flamebait, as you falsely accuse, it would have been locked. Your attempts to make it so
Have failed.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:06 PM
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55. K&R
:kick:

Looks like more ignores are about to be added to my list too.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:13 PM
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57. The Southern Strategy tactic at play: bait and switch.


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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:03 PM
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60. Racism doesn't exist because of racist statements. The statements reflect racism.
Something in the mind, the heart, in the entire paradigm of viewing reality. Words are tools, but they are not the core of the problem, just its reflection
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:20 PM
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61. I agree. I had hoped people would get that from the title of my post.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:16 PM
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63. There is a difference between being racist and recognizing the realities in America.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:20 PM
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64. I agree.
And one of those realities is that we often do CHAMPION minorities and women!! Not a thing wrong with that, and I don't think Ferraro was saying there is.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:26 PM
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65. Pointing out that Obama wins a large percentage of the African American vote is recognize reality
After all, Bill Clinton won 80-90% of the African American vote.

But calling Obama lucky to be black and saying he wouldn't be winning if he were white juxtaposed with calling out that reality is a racist statement.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:24 PM
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66. Keith Olbermann sees the pattern too
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:26 PM
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68. LEAVE DU ALONE!!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:53 PM
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69. The problem with 90% of you obama folks is you cannot believe
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:54 PM by BenDavid
a black man can play the race card against his white opponent. Well Obama did.....and just for once stop and think instead of being lead around like sheeple and ask yourself, Did the Clintons need to play the race card or inject race into the campaign in janaury 08? If you think about it your answer will be NO. There was no need too but once the obama campaign and a willing media started this stampede of blaming the Clintons for playing the race card it was assured obama would receive a large majority of black votes.

Who was the only person that could start dems fighting dems?

Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Haillary CLinton......
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:16 PM
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72. the apologies started then..

January 17, 2008
COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


February 2, 2008
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:56 PM
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70. Racism still exists because when it is misapplied to places where it doesn't exist,
like Hillary vs. Obama, it makes it harder to exterminate it in general.

Steve
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