By running a race baiting campaign, Hilary Clinton has won the nomination

[Tropics_Dude83]

Looking at it strategically,

Hillary and Bill Clinton played the race card starting in Nevada and S.C. They effectively made the democratic party's brightest and most shining star into Jessie Jackson II. They united 90% of blacks behind him. Yep indeed. However, their racist tactics from Bob Johnson's "hood" comments to Billy Shaheen's drug comments to Geraldine Ferrarro's repeat of her 1988 Jessie Jackson comment to Bill Clinton's Jessie Jackson comments in S.C. and saying "it's ok to vote your heart AA's, have united 70% of the white and hispanic vote against Obama.

And guess what, that's the majority.

Like Margaret Carlson said months ago, Clintons play race card, Obama may fold. And yep it worked.

Thanks for ruining our brightest shining light Hillary for your own political power. Good luck with the war in Iran that you plan to start when you get elected and congratulations on your DLC victory.

[Not the Only One]

1. She hasn't won shit, yet.

Hillary is winning in her own polluted mind, only.

Obama will win this nomination.

[Tropics_Dude83]

3. But whites and hispanics hate him now because of HRC n/t

[Not the Only One]

9. I give Americans maybe too much credit.

I believe that once Obama wins the nomination, he can persuade those people and get the support of disillusioned voters who haven't been a part of the political process recently and win the general election. Obama can show these racists that their fears are unfounded.

[KittyWampus]

10. only in the Clintons' mind. Frankly, you must have issues if you believe that

[scheming daemons]

12. I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you.... frankly, you're a wimp. You want to cry that ...

..the sky is falling... that the game is lost.... when we have a sizeable lead?


Sheesh.....

[samdogmom]

13. Careful! Not all people in those categories hate him. I still support him and want him to win!

What I hate is Hillary's tactics. She's the one I'm going to have a hard time supporting should we be asked to do so because she ends up with the nomination!

[scheming daemons]

14. WHITES do NOT hate him now.... Mississippi != the Nation.

Frankly..... and half-black candidate that can pull in 25% of the white vote in MS is doing something INCREDIBLE.

[Hepburn]

17. True of some....but...

...last evening I had an interesting conversation with one of my Repubbie pals ~~ white female in her mid-50s. She knows I am politically active and I am a Dem and very liberal. At the time of the Calif primary, she and I discussed who she was voting for ~~ she voted Romney because she disliked McCain very much. She also at that time expressed absolute dislike ~~ more like hatred ~~ of Hillary and expressed a negative opinion of Obama, but I would call it more dislike than hate. I figured like many Pubbies have, she would come around to McCain since he got the Pubbie nom and I could chalk her off as a vote, or even a potential vote, for Obama in the GE.

Well, she was all smiles last night...and made a remark about the Mississippi primary and how nice Obama had won again. She actually likes him now. Surprise of my life. She came over after listening to him a bit and liking what he had to say...but...one of the deals with her was that he cannot be all bad if Hillary hates him that much!

So...maybe in that pile of racist shit coming out of the Clinton campaign...there might be some results they never saw or intended. My most Pubbie pal is now pretty much in the Obama camp.

[Alexander]

31. Yeah, those "whites" in Iowa, Vermont, and Wyoming sure hate Obama.

:eyes:

[MessiahRp]

2. There's statistically no way for her to win the nomination now.

If her plan was to lose him the general election, you could make that argument based on your points but she has no chance of winning the Democratic Nomination.

Rp

[Avalux]

4. Obama hasn't folded. The Clintons have not been effective in their efforts.

Obama has done well with white voters and that 90% of the black vote? Both Gore and Kerry got 90% when they ran for Prez. You are legitimizing Clinton's attempts to make Obama the 'black' candidate in your post without any proof to back it up.

[Botany]

5. What are you talking about?

Obama went 4 and 2 in March
Texas, Vermont, Wyoming, & Mississippi (Obama)

Ohio & Rhode Island (Clinton)

His lead has grown and Clinton is all but mathematically out
of it.

[Tropics_Dude83]

6. In TX

Just 33% of Hispsnics and 44% of whites supported Obama. proof of the strategy right there. Not sure what it was like in Ohio.

[madfloridian]

15. That's not a bad percentage.

Not really.

[scheming daemons]

16. 44% of WHITES in Texas will WIN HIM THE ELECTION against McCain....

Relax....



If Obama pulls in 44% of the white vote across this country in November, splits the hispanic vote (which he would against McCain), and gets 90% of the black vote...


He's our next President.

[Hepburn]

18. Sooooooooo....

...if Obama gets the nom, the Hispanic vote is for sure going to McCain???

I don't think so! At least not in SoCal where I live.

[BlueManDude]

7. The Clintons have tarnished themselves, not Obama.

As someone who has admired and defended both for 17 years this campaign has horrified me.

[tabasco]

35. My sentiments exactly.

I recall so many times defending Hillary from hateful, irrational freeper-types.

I have lost virtually all respect for H. Clinton.

[razorman]

8. Instead, I think she may have handed the general election to McCain..

[scheming daemons]

11. Where do you get "she has won the nomination"...... she hasn't.... and ....

no way in hell does Obama ever fold...especially when he's ahead.


There hasn't been a SINGLE superdelegate that has defected from Obama to Clinton... but there have been lots that went the other direction.


The continual drip of SDs to Obama will continue over the next six weeks too.


Have as much faith in Obama as he has in you. He's going to get the nomination.... and in the process, he will have defanged all of the talking points that McCain would have been able to use against him.... because Hillary already would have used them and failed.

[Medusa]

19. But what will she win come November?

Hint? It won't be the presidency.

[Strelnikov_]

21. That is the crux of the biscuit

Four more years.

On the plus side, the Republican Party will be destroyed.

On the minus side, so will the country.

[Johnny__Motown]

20. to little to late, his lead is so large she won't catch up in pledged delegates. you are wrong

also many whites (such as myself) are infuriated by the racial attacks that the Clintons have used.

Look at Teddy Kennedy's reaction after Bill shot his mouth off in SC. Backlash baby, get used to it.

SDs need the African American vote to keep their jobs, Clintons are screwed and their legacy is diminished

[Raffi Ella]

22. Riiiight.

Once upon a time Bill was considered -by blacks- to be the first Black President.All of a sudden he's a racist no good sorry ass mofo...why the 180?Cuz a "brotha" entered the race and needed to take him down.

Obama has run a racially charged campaign from the very beginning - The Obama's have demanded the black vote as their right and priviledge and have been shameless in using the race card to get that vote.

The only way to take the Clintons down was to take the black vote and they did just that.ANY way hey could.

But it's The Clintons fault,The "First Black Presidents" fault.Ya'll just dont' wanna see it for what it is but Historians are gonna have a field dayover how America was played by a black man using the race card.

I stand with The Clintons against these scurrilous charges.I support Hillary Clinton and hope to see her nominated in November.I will work my ass off to ensure that happens.

[Kaylee]

25. No. Hillary lost blacks on her own.

When Obama first came out, we didn't give him the time of the day. I still remember listening to the morning shows debate whether he was "black" enough. So the appearance of a "brotha" on the scene did not magically cause all blacks to fall in line behind him. If Obama wasn't as dynamic as he is, his candidacy would have petered out without a black majority (or white support for that matter).

It was only after Obama started winning and we started paying attention to his message, that more and more African Americans started viewing him as a viable candidate. But, most blacks were still loyal to the Clintons.

And then Hillary and her surrogates lost their mind, forcing a huge majority of the black support she had left towards Obama.

Obama has always worked very hard to try and make everyone "forget" he was black. You have never heard him say, "Vote for me, the first Black president". Being "black" is not an advantage in a presidential race. And Hillary and her surrogates attempts to turn him into Jesse Jackson II (as another poster put it) is really pissing me off.

[SeaLyons]

26. No, I think

Hillary and Bill were completely respectful (probably too much so and that's why they didn't due well Feb 5) of the race issue. No one will ever convince me the race card was ever used by the Clinton's.

[Raffi Ella]

27. We obviously disagree

about what went down in S.C. and I'm pretty sure no matter what either of us say we're not going to change the others opinion.

Having that said,it was Obama and his surrogates who were in desperate need of the black vote in S.C.,not The Clinton's.It is ludicrous to say that they would do anything to alienate blacks at that point or any other point.

The fact is Obama had to take Hillary down in S.C. or it was over.It was at that point that remarks made by Bill Clinton that had nothing whatsoever to do with race were attributed to being racial insensitive and or racist in their meaning.

Obama has worked very hard from the beginning,as has Michelle, to remind everyone listening that blacks have a history in America that say "Wait your turn", "they" said wait your turn" - he gave the people an enemy in Iowa to vote against and acted as though it was civil rights all over again that they were fighting for,not the 2008 Presidential race.

So to say that Obama has tried very hard to make everyone forget he was black is absolutely laughable.Michelle Obama as much came out and said "They will get it" when asked why Obama didn't have more of the black vote - her language and speaking to blacks as if they were one in the same person,chiding them for being "afraid" and not believing this could really happen - it's all racially charged.All of it.

to deny that is to deny history itself;The fact is he is Black and is this close to the Presidency AND he has used that in his Campaign and he has demonized two of Our Finest in his quest for the Presidency.He had to demonize them otherwise he would not have won the Black Vote from The First Black Presidents wife.

Let me say this,I do agree with your statement "If Obama wasn't as dynamic as he is, his candidacy would have petered out without a black majority (or white support for that matter)."

I give him that - I wish Hillary had a tenth of his charisma.But Dynamic and qualified are two different things.When Charisma over shadows qualification as it has in this race somethings not right.

And when you're running on a Campaign of Hope and Unity but demonizing your opponents Husband -who was considered by blacks to be The First Black President before Obama came along - as a racist in order to take her down,playing on the very sad history we are scarred with,Obama's message just doesn't wash clean.It comes out dirty just as it was when they started it.

[Kaylee]

36. I don't see Obama using the "Race Card" .

And I agree no amount of debating from either of us will change our perceptions of either campaign. Our perceptions are inconsequential to reality. To a huge majority of African Americans Bill Clinton's marginalizing of Obama's campaign using race was offensive.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. Yes. People conveniently forget that Clinton started out with 2/3 of the AA community behind her

Almost overnight it flipped to Obama. That's why it's so disgusting for her supporters to blame Barack for what happened. The Clintons deliberately betrayed the black community to court the white vote. When I heard the MLK comment she made in NH, I knew exactly what they were up to. She was sending a signal to white voters. For those of us of the liberal persuasion, it was a sop to our egos and guilt. She was telling us it was OK to vote for her because everyone knows that civil rights would never have been passed were it not for nice white people like us. It was also a coded message to white bigots who resent affirmative action. That comment was scripted, and deliberate. It was intended for small audiences of white people, like the one she was in. Had it not gotten wide media exposure, she would have used it over and over again.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. You throw out that "First Black President" comment, clearly not understanding the context of it

When Toni Morrison described him that way, it was at the height of the Lewinsky scandal. She was referring to the way Clinton was being excoriated for it, much like what happened to African-American politicians in similar personal predicaments. It was not a comment on Bill Clinton's record on issues affecting the Black community, which quite honestly was not that good - welfare reform and expansion of the phony "war on drugs" which put more Black males in prison than at any other time.

Learn your history.

[Raffi Ella]

30. Hah,

listen the fact is Blacks LOVED the Clintons before Obama came along.You gonna deny that?Tell me what happened to change that?What happened to change that?Obama happened,that's what.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Yeah, how dare Obama run against the Queen and force her to reveal her true colors!

Don't people understand it was supposed to be a coronation? :sarcasm:

[Raffi Ella]

34. ah,stay on topic now.

Don't try and distract and change the subject like that.We were discussing Obama's racially charged campaign and how he got the black vote...

[asjr]

23. Oh, such a hateful thread.

[durrrty libby]

24. Get your facts straight. Obama ran the race baiting campaign.

He is The Great Bamboozler and has Hoodwinked y'all

[Alexander]

33. I guess in Hillaryworld being black is "race baiting".

Get a grip.

[dailykoff]

37. Yes, nomination to has-been hall of flame.

Pelosi announced yesterday that Hillary's fifteen minutes are up.