I hate to say this but we might need Hillary ; (

[BigD_95]

I decided to support Obama and I plan to vote for him in PA.

With that said Im scared that with Hillary going so negative that she might have cost a Obama win in the Primary a lost in the General election.

She has divided the Dem party so much and ruined the amazing good attention the Dem primary was getting; with now just dragging the primary into the mud.


We know that there is no way that if Obama wins, he will take Hillary as a VP and I dont blame him one bit. As a matter of fact with all the crap she has done, I think he should suggest that she should be McCains VP because she is acting like a Republican.

So that leaves the only way to bring the party back together, is if she was at the top of the ticket and Obama is the VP. I hope Im wrong but I dont see how all the damage she has done the party can be repaired any other way.

If we lose this general election I hold her 100% responsible.


It just sucks because the worse this primary is drug through the mud the more of a case she makes hat she needs to be on top of the ticket. Its the only way there would be the so called "dream team".

I hate her for this but as a Dem with all the problems this country faces we need to have the White House.

So I ask whats more important:

Have Obama win the nomination and have a good chance of losing the general election.

or

give Hillary something she doesn't deserve with the campaign she has run but have a better chance of uniting the party and winning the White House?



I'm still going with nominating Obama and rolling the dice ( no pun intended )

Just wanted some thoughts from Obama supporters.

[K Gardner]

1. Its absolutely ridiculous. No one "needs" Hillary. She doesn't get rewarded with ANY spot

in the WH for running the most hateful and divisive campaign democrats have ever seen.

Obama will take this country forward. She is old and bitter news.

[easy_b94]

2. NO WAY/Hell NO/Hell to the NO...........

The R's have a play book for Hillary....They don't have one for Obama

[LakeSamish706]

3. The only thing we need Hillary to do is take a long hike and take hubby with her. n/t

[Kittycat]

4. Do you have children? Serious question?

Would you reward this behavior?

[Not the Only One]

19. Precisely

We have to make it know that Hillary's tactics are intolerable and that there are serious consequences for using those tactics.

[book_worm]

5. I don't think so. Obama needs somebody like a Biden, Richardson or Dodd

and besides Hillary has too much baggage and doesn't add anything to the ticket. In actuality, she would need O as VP more than he would need her.

[leftynyc]

10. For geographic reasons it

has to be Richardson

[KittyWampus]

15. Bob Graham as VP

[leftynyc]

24. He's older than McCain

and not so much into politics in FL anymore (I assume that was one of the reasons you think it's a good choice). Richardson opens up with southwest and will help with the Latino vote. I'm also very biased as this is who I wanted for President.

[ClassWarrior]

6. We need ALL good Dems... But vote your heart.

NGU.

[Exilednight]

7. I refuse to jump into bed with someone using the very tactics that I fight so hard against.......

I hate shrub for using these tactics, and I will not be bullied into voting for Hillary because I 'need' her. Her campaign tactics are everything I stand against, and is the very reason I chose to be a Democrat.

[BeyondGeography]

8. We need Hillary all right

We need her and Bill to move on with their lives so we can redefine the Democratic Party as a voter-focused, drama-free organization committed to changing the way government works for the benefit of all 50 states.

Please, Billary, meet our needs.

[BigD_95]

9. Im not changing

my vote to her. Im just wondering if its the only way we can win back the White House.

[Andy823]

17. If Hillary is the nominee

No matter who is her VP, we lose the whitehouse!

[Beacool]

11. The polls have proven time after time,

that more Obama supporters would vote for Hillary than Hillary supporters would vote for Obama.

I for one can tell you that if she's not on the ticket Obama will not get my vote. Heck, I would rather vote for a potted plant than for someone who I don't think is experienced enough to handle the job at this point in time.

Just check the NJ polls that say that if it's Hillary v. McCain she would win 50% to his 39%, but if it's Obama v. McCain, it would be a toss up. Also consider that this is coming from a very blue state which is essential to the Democrats if they wish to win the WH in November.

[CoffeeCat]

12. We need Hillary like Spitzer needed prostitutes...

We need a Dem who is so hated by Republicans, that she will galvanize massive Republican
turnout, voting for McCain?

We need a Dem who has salacious sex scandals--complete with graphic details about
cigars, blow jobs, "kiss it" and semen-encrusted blue dresses?

We need a Democrat who engaged in manipulative, dirty campaigning that will turn off
Independents and other voters who do not like planted questions, personal attack and
Rovian-inspired tactics?

We need a Democrat whose own campaign failures evaporated 20+ point national and state
leads and turned "inevitability" into a laughing stock?

We need a Democrat who can't inspire an effective ground game?

We need a Democrat who voted for the Iraq war, who then refused to apologize for that vote, and
then went on to vote in lockstep with Bush on Kyl/Lieberman?

We need a Democrat who is flat-out rejected by 20 percent of members in her own party; who suggest
that they will vote against her in the General Election?

NO WAY IN HELL WE NEED ANY OF THAT.

[Orsino]

13. Well, duh. She's beloved of millions of Democrats.

If she feels like endorsing a Democratic nominee other than herself, that will count for a lot.

[DJ13]

14. Hillary HERSELF has put Obama in a place where he CANNOT have her as VP

All Hillarys rants that McCain has the experience to be CinC but Obama doesnt will nowe force Obama to seek out someone with real foreign policy experience as a VP.

And despite her campaign BS, that aint Hillary.

[Adelante]

16. Exactly nt

[scheming daemons]

18. Don't cave to the fear. Obama has a greater chance of uniting the party than Hillary has...

..
Hillary's damage to herself for the GE is irreversible now.

[Zavulon]

20. The Republicans need Hillary, not us.

This is why El Drugbo was begging Texan Repugs to go out and vote for her.

Hillary runs, and Repug turnout will be record high. Obama runs, takes a solid lead over the clown Repugs actually think is a "liberal," and lots of them stay home.

We don't need Hillary at all. We need her to drop out of the race for the good of the party, go back to the Senate and shut the hell up.

[karynnj]

21. Ask the parallel question - Would HRC win the general election

She has run an awful campaign for the nomination - which should have been the easy part for her. She had Bill, the media and the party apparatus. On top of that superTuesday was essentially designed for someone like her. This was suppose to be the no-brainer part, as everyone said Bill Clinton was both the most powerful Democrat but the biggest superstar. When this didn't work, they went mean. This is the first time I ever heard a campaign say they would throw the kitchen sink at their party's probable candidate.

Pick up a newspaper and look at the political cartoons - the way they are drawing HRC now is totally different than last December. People's perceptions are shifting and not for the better.

Also, across the river here in NJ, corruption is an important issue - with McCain/Clinton the truism that both are corrupt will be the theme - but Obama can speak of ethics reform.

You're following the dice with HRC as well - even though they are hoping you will buy that she is inevitable in the ge, when that didn't work in the primaries.

[LiveLiberally]

22. Principles and Political Realities unfortunately don't always go hand in hand...

Leaving aside the principle of whether Obama should choose Clinton as VP OR vice versa, here's my sense of the current political realities:

If this primary campaign continues until June and there is not a clear victor (either in pledged delegates or pledged combined with superdelegates who have announced their allegiance) then I don't think EITHER candidate will have a choice but to offer the VP to the other. The reality here is that we simply can't win without the democratic base and two of its crucial pillars are people over 60 and African-Americans. Already these two demographics have become polarized; by June, they will probably be irretrievably so without a unity ticket.

Just my two cents.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. She says he's not ready to be president - that means, then,

that he is not ready to be VP - so all the talk about her taking him as VP is just more Clinton spin. The VP MUST be ready to step into the presidency from day 1. Look at Harrison and Tyler - there is NO guarantee that the elected president will survive even the first 30 days in office. If she is saying he is qualified to be VP, then he is also qualified to be President. And if he is qualified to be president, there is no reason why he, as the front-runner, should accept the vice-presidency.