Hillary loyalists have NO PROBLEM with super delegates deciding it

[mudesi]

To them a Hillary win is more important than anything in the world. But they're being duped by Ms. Clinton herself. If Hillary Clinton won the nomination (and the only way for that to happen is through super delegates), John McCain would probably win the presidency. Ms. Clinton knows this and the super delegates know this. They won't give it to her.

But by allowing this to continue for another 5 and a half months, she knows she can do enough damage to Obama so that when he takes the nomination, he may just lose the general election. This would perfectly position her to run again in 2012. She would easily make the argument that Obama "wasn't ready" and that it should've gone to her in 2008.

She's playing you all for fools. She knows she won't win the nomination. While it may be your collective pipe dream for the super delegates to hand it over to her, it's not going to happen. It would do you all well to start pressuring her to drop out instead of allowing her to manipulate your emotions like this.

[Arkansas Granny]

1. I have no problem with the nomination being decided by the rules

that have been put in place by the DNC. If it comes down to the super delegates, so be it. They are there to act as a safety valve and will pledge their support to the candidate that is best for the Democratic party and most likely to win in November. Regardless who the nominee is, I plan to vote for the Democrat on the ticket.

[Frances]

2. I agree with you 100% Arkansas Granny

The super delegates are there to keep a cool head and do what's best for the party.

Right now, neither Obama nor Hillary has the votes to be the Dem nominee.

I will support whoever wins the nomination.

[Vinca]

3. If there is the perception the nomination is unfairly given to Hillary,

it will be very, very hard to cast a vote in her direction. I probably will, but don't expect the hoards of new people Barack has brought into the race to show up. Superdelegates need to remember the newbies. They're showing up because of Barack.

[Frances]

5. If there is the perception that the nomination is unfairly

given to Obama, it could turn off the traditional Democratic base.

That's why I hope that time will make it clearer who is truly the candidate most likely to defeat McCain.

One good thing about the fact that neither Obama nor Hillary is seen as the winner at this point is that the Republicans are not able to successfully define either candidate the way they did Gore and Kerry.

[tabasco]

12. It will not appear unfair to give the nomination

to the candidate with the most votes and the most delegates.

It will appear unfair to do otherwise.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. Crazy!

:crazy:

/s

[Arkansas Granny]

6. Regardless who the nomination is given to at this point, there will be

some who won't show up to vote because their candidate wasn't chosen. I'm sure that the super delegates are aware of this and will keep it in mind as they decide which candidate to support.

[Lucinda]

11. Well said.

[CakeGrrl]

16. Leading on all fronts does not require a "safety valve"

As you posted on another thread, one role of SDs is to 'correct' a situation that's way outside the norm.

Winning MORE states is not a situation that needs to be corrected.

Winning MORE pledged delegates is not a situation that needs to be corrected.

Leading in the popular vote is not a situation that needs to be corrected.

If Obama goes to the convention with ALL of that intact? The will of the people has been "corrected" and it's as bad as the Supreme Court stepping in to hand Florida to GWB.

I'll support whoever wins the nomination fairly. The issue is that I don't see how Clinton can accomplish that with all the numbers in Obama's favor.

[Arkansas Granny]

20. That is the role that the super delegates were created for. I have

no problem with the rules of the DNC being followed in selecting our Democratic nominee. As long as these rules are followed I will consider it a fair nomination. The super delegates are independent of the popular vote and the pledged delegate count for a reason and I'm perfectly satisfied to accept the outcome.

[Frances]

22. All states aren't created equal.

Winning Alabama, my native state, is not the same as winning a swing state, for example. Alabama will never vote Dem in the general election, but a swing state may do so.

If the delegate count remains close, I would be more supportive of super delegates voting for Obama if they reasoned that Obama could carry more swing states than Hillary and thus have a better chance of winning the general election.

[Bill McBlueState]

25. So are you okay with caucuses then?

Lately, a lot of people have been in favor of the rules only when the rule in question is perceived to benefit their favorite candidate.

For example, Clinton supporters often complain about the rule that allows for caucuses, but support the rule that allows for superdelegates.

[Arkansas Granny]

29. Maybe the caucus system needs to be looked into for future elections.

I'm really not that familiar with them, although there has been a lot of discussion about them recently. What I'm saying is that there is a set of rules in place and these rules were in force at the beginning of this primary season. Those rules should be followed and if they need to be amended, it should be done before the beginning of a new election cycle.

[Growler]

30. I caucused in WA

> So are you okay with caucuses then?

I'm a huge Obama supporter, and I recognize that he has done extremely well in caucus states. I caucused here in WA, and stood for Obama....

With that said, I have to say that I don't like caucuses, and would love to get rid of them for the next election cycle. It's too late now, and I am NOT advocating that... just saying I'd rather not go through that process again. Bleah.

[BigDDem]

4. Let me guess....

if the super delegates decide it for Obama, that's ok, right?

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. If he has MORE: votes, delegates, states won?

They'd be stupid not to. Why would they give it to the loser of the primary contests who is BEHIND after running in every state and US territory?

[Arkansas Granny]

14. That's OK with me. I am a Hillary supporter, but I have stated many times

on this board and in private conversations that I will gladly vote for Obama if he is the Democratic nominee. This election, with the propect of the next President nominating 2-3 Supreme Court judges, is too important for me to consider not voting for the Democratic nominee and that's just one of the reasons I feel this way. The Republicans have done so much harm in the last 7 years that it's almost unbelievable. I firmly believe that we must have a Democratic President in office, preferably with a majority in the House and Senate, in order to get our country moving back in the right direction.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. I Have No Problem With It. They Exist For A Reason.

If in the end of this all the public was so split towards both that both are acceptable candidates and neither won enough popular support to claim victory, and the SD's are the ones making the difference, then I have no problem whatsoever if they undertake their role and make an educated decision on which of the two would be most electable. After all, that's what they're there for and all that matters is winning in November.

And to squelch the whole 'overriding the will of the people' garbage, that isn't so. If it comes down to the SD's, it is because the public HANDED them 2 candidates that are highly supported. The rest of the candidates didn't make it, because the PUBLIC already weeded them out. The will of the people as it stands right now is that BOTH of these candidates have the popular support necessary enough to be a victor, or one of the candidates would be far more ahead. If it gets to the SD point, it is because the will of the people has already been expressed but that the will this time was that there are two good enough dems to lead as opposed to the one the public normally sends to the convention. So no, there will be no thwarting of the will of the people. In fact, the ONLY reason this would get to the SD stage is BECAUSE the will of the people sent both of them to that stage, as opposed to only one.

[Romulox]

9. What about OMG teh RULEZ!!!111!!!11!!!

You remember, the same rules that say Michigan and Florida shouldn't count?

You're not saying that Obama's love for the "rules!!!!" ends when those rules start to hurt him, are you? :rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

23. Oh noes. Not the rules again!

:rofl:

[tabasco]

10. That's their only hope.

They are hoping the party will immolate itself for the queen.

[Frances]

18. Why the sarcastic attitude, Tobasco?

Do you assume that the super delegates don't want to win the general election?

[tabasco]

26. If you believe H. Clinton has a better chance than Obama

we agree to disagree.

[HYSplease]

13. But it's not OK when it happens to Gore

The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

[bigtree]

17. generalize much?

[Skip Intro]

19. Super Delegates will decide either way. Neither will have enough pedged dels.

Allowing her to continue?

We have a system, a structure in place for determining the nominee. Have you no faith in democracy?

[Hoof Hearted]

21. Obama's campaign only whines about "the rules" when they favor him.

It's called politics. Is this your first rodeo?

[Frances]

24. Is this your first rodeo?

Good observation.

I get impatient with DU Obama supporters because they don't seem to understand how politics work.

BUT I will support Obama 100% if he wins the nomination.

Right now I would describe myself as on-the-fence, just hoping that the person most likely to win the general election gets the nomination, whoever it is.

[Hatchling]

27. Of course not, them's the rulz.

I complained about the caucus system being undemocratic. You said, "Sorry, them's the rulz."

I complained about Michigan and Florida not being seated. You said, "Sorry them's, the rulz."

I complained that Independents and Republicans were determining the nominee for the Democratic party. You said, "Sorry them's, the rulz."

YOU complain about superdelegates making thier own reasoned choice at the convention. I say, "Sorry, them's the rulz."

And then I hear, "Well then. we won't vote in the GE."
Or "We'll vote for someone else in the GE."
Or the most terrifying thing that really pisses me off, "I'm bringing a pitchfork to the convention!. They think '68 was bad, just wait!"

OMG, you guys screamed at the 3a.m. "fear" ad, but some of you guys aren't above a little fear-mongering yourself! If Obama gets the superdelegates, I'll be fine with that, PROVIDING they aren't threatened into it by the specter of a riot at the convention.

[MethuenProgressive]

28. Let's see... Super Delegates following the rules, or anonymous Internet typists... Hmmmm....

Who, O! who, do I want picking our nominee?
:rofl: