Gov's of IA, WI, WA, VA and Sen. McCaskill of MO call Hillary on her big-state bullshit

[BeyondGeography]

Memo: Debunking the Clinton Campaign’s Dubious “Big State” Spin

In an attempt to minimize the significance of Barack Obama’s success in winning more than twice as many states as Senator Clinton, her campaign’s supporters have attempted to diminish the importance of the states where Senator Obama has prevailed.

Senator Obama has scored important victories in each of our states – states that will play a decisive role in deciding whether or not John McCain will be given the chance to enter the White House and extend George Bush’s failed policies for another 4 years.

In each of the 30 primaries and caucuses that Obama has now won, including Mississippi yesterday, he’s shown the ability to motivate Democrats to turn out at the polls, win the support of blue collar voters in suburban and rural communities and attract the support of Independents and Republicans. That’s the kind of candidate Democrats need to nominate to beat John McCain in November, and it’s the kind of leader America needs to bring to Washington the kind of change we can believe in.

The Clinton campaign’s argument ignores relevant facts about how significant a role these states played in determining the outcome of the presidential race in 2004. In fact, Obama has won 7 of 9 of the biggest states that were close in the 2004 presidential election and have already selected delegates to the 2008 Democratic convention.

More than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. It’s also worth noting that polls in four of these five states show that Obama would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBTXr

[havocmom]

1. She seems to be running for President of the Limited States of McAuliffe

Somebody might offer her an atlas or something

[IDemo]

2. The United States of Mattersland n/t

[havocmom]

3. Nope, LIMITED States says it better

;)

HRC Campaign only seems concerned with those who support them. AMERICA, on the other hand does not seem to matter much.

Limited States, or the State of Arrogance, State of Sense of Entitlement, State of Change rules After Game When It Helps Hillary, State of Pretty Damned Exclusionary... but nothing about Clinton's campaign is about United

[feedingfrenzy]

11. OBAMA TELLS PA THAT THEIR VOTES DON'T COUNT

He's already won the primary.

[anigbrowl]

15. Fee fi fo fum - I smell a disrupting one.

Try to post links before spouting off, please.

[tekisui]

16. Isn't he campaigning there?

You are full of shit. Nothing Obama has said or done leads to that bullshit conclusion.

[tabasco]

18. That's not true.

Why are you a liar?

[XemaSab]

14. The Untied States of Hillville

:crazy:

[Cha]

23. The Young Turk says hilary should move

to a country where they just have big states 'cause our country have small states, too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/hillary-clintons-only-re_b_91143.html

[havocmom]

4. Off the the Greatest Page wit' ya!

K & R

[krkaufman]

5. They're all so last cycle.

Hillary's not running to be the nominee of the Democratic Party; she's running to be the nominee of the Democratic Primaries.

Caucuses don't matter. Delegates don't matter. All that matters is the popular vote; and, even then, only in the states that Hillary considers "relevant."

Kos had it almost right, except it appears that he was being overly generous. Hillary's now running an "Insult 46 States Srategy."

[ellisonz]

6. K & R

[K Gardner]

7. Ouch. Its getting pretty bad when governors get together to call you on your bullshit. WTG Hillary..

what an embarassment. Enough already.

[Mooney]

8. Thank god.

We're finally starting to try and make inroads in states we've ignored for years, and the Clinton campaign is shitting all over this effort. No, we probably won't win any states in the deep south this year. But if we don't start at least showing up and making an effort there, we'll NEVER win those states.

I'm a "big state" Democrat, and I'm completely sick of my party ignoring and belittling entire regions of this country. Thank god we have a major candidate who's at least making an effort.

[Judge_Mental]

9. Good for them.

We have to build a 50 state party.

[jconner27]

10. Calling out the govs and McCaskil on their bull shit

I have bad news for the Obama cult, the states he won will be going to John McCain in the fall the faster you accept this reality the better you will be. McCaskil barely won her race so she should keep that tidbit in mind. But look who I'm talking to, you guys don't mind Republicans picking your leader.

[high density]

12. I have bad news for the Clinton cult

If you guys want to replay the "blue states game" like Kerry did in 2004, you're going to lose just like Kerry did in 2004.

[BeyondGeography]

13. Kick

[tabasco]

17. All Hil is doing now is pissing a lot of people off.

She should consider how her campaign affects her Senate career at this point.

[stillcool]

19. The one thing I need to keep in mind...

Is that the Clinton's deliberately choose to fan the flames of racism to hustle votes. They deliberately Choose to use Islamophobia to hustle votes. And so do their supporters. They make a deliberate choice just as Julius Streicher did.

[rug]

22. Julius Streicher. The Nazi convicted of Crimes Against Humanity. And Hillary Clinton.

And you expect anyone to take you seriously.

[stillcool]

24. Julius Streicher...

and those who are fanning the flames of racism in the Clinton Campaign. Indeed. Ugly isn't it?

[rug]

25. What is ugly is your comparison of the Clinton campaign to war criminals.

Has your blind partisanship cost you your perspective?

[stillcool]

26. Race-baiters...

D. CONCLUSION.

It may be that Streicher is less directly involved in the physical commission of the crimes against Jews than some of his coconspirators. The submission of the Prosecution is that his crime is no less worse for that reason. No government in the world, before the Nazis came to power, could have embarked upon and it; into effect a policy of mass Jewish extermination in the way in which they did, without having a people who would back them and support them, and without having a large number of people who were prepared to carry out the murder themselves. (See Chapter XII on Persecution of the Jews.)

It was to the task of educating and poisoning the people with hate, and of producing murderers, that Streicher set himself. For 25 years he continued unrelentingly the perversion of the people and youth of Germany. He went on and on, as he saw the results of his work bearing fruit.

In the early days he was preaching persecution. As persecution took place he preached extermination and annihilation and, as millions of Jews were exterminated and annihilated, in the Ghettos of the East, he cried out for more and more.

B. STREICHER'S PART IN THE REMOVAL OF OPPOSITION THROUGH ANTI-JEWISH PROPAGANDA AND INCITEMENT.

The course of Streicher's incitement and propaganda may be traced more or less in chronological order by referring to short extracts from "Der Stuermer." The extracts which follow were selected at random. They were selected with a view to showing the various methods which Streicher employed to incite the German people against the Jewish race, but his newspapers are crowded with them, week after week, day after day. It is impossible to pick up any copy without finding the same kind of invective and incitement in the headlines and in the articles.

In a speech which Streicher made in 1922 in Nurnberg, after abusing the Jews in the first paragraph, he went on to say:

"We know that Germany will be free when the Jew has been excluded from the life of the German people." (M-11).

In a speech in 1924 he stated:

"I beg you and particularly those of you who carry the cross throughout the land to become somewhat more serious when I speak of the enemy of the German people, namely, the Jew. Not out of irresponsibility or for fun do I fight against the Jewish enemy, but because I bear within me the knowledge that the whole misfortune was brought to Germany by the Jews alone.

"I ask you once more, what is at stake today? The Jew seeks domination not only among the German people but among all peoples. The communists pave the way for him. Do you not know that the God of the Old Testament orders the Jews to consume and enslave the peoples of the earth?

"The government allows the Jew to do as he pleases. The people expect action to be taken. You may think about Adolf Hitler as you please, but one thing you must admit. He possessed the courage to attempt to free the German people from the Jew by a national revolution. That was action indeed." (M-12).

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Streicher.html

[Cha]

20. Thanks for this BG!

The Young Turk has a brilliant analysis on this too.

<snips>

Even if Senator Clinton won the remaining nine contests with landslide victories, she wouldn't even get to within a 100 pledged delegates of Obama. Even if they re-voted in Michigan and Florida and she won by overwhelming majorities in those states, she still wouldn't be anywhere near Obama's numbers.

Her big claim to fame now is that she wins the big states and the swing states needed for the general election. I don't know why people take these claims seriously. First of all, so what? If she wants to win on big states alone she should move to a country where there are only big states. But in this country, where we have states of all sizes, she has lost.

Second of all, when did Massachusetts, New York and California become swing states? The election she theoretically won in Florida was not contested. So, her claim is that since she won Ohio, why don't we just give her the whole election?

<much more>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5039931

[Scurrilous]

21. K & R

:thumbsup: