Obama folks Condemn Paul Krugman (a hero of truth and left wing economics)

[amborin]

all along, Paul Krugman was the shining star for all dems and progressives

now, Obama folks condemn him

why?

because Paul Krugman, a Princeton economist, bastion of truth and shining star in academia, speaks the truth: Obama is an empty suit, and Hillary's the preferable candidate

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Are you still sending out that spam?

Implying Obama is a terrorist?

[feedingfrenzy]

58. Easy to see Why Obama Supporters hate Krugman

Look at their posts in the blogs.
They are total BIMBOS. They probably can't even READ
Krugman.
Ask them about Obama's proposals, and they'll look at
you with a blank stare.

[Coexist]

68. link?

:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

69. LOL!

:popcorn:

[jackson_dem]

78. A thread was posting about a Krugman article on poverty

A horde of Obamites, like robots, attacked Krugman as being anti-Obama even though the article had nothing to do with Obama.

[bicentennial_baby]

2. I'm a leftwing Econ major, and I don't condemn him

I just happen to believe that he couldn't be more incorrect on this topic.

[Barack_America]

7. Isn't disagreeing with someone on par with condemning them?

:shrug:

(Please note my sarcasm here. But isn't it sad that this is predominant attitude around DU lately? So much drama...so little actual thought.)

[AX10]

3. Obambots will opt to not hear this.

[Occam Bandage]

42. Hilariously,

Obambots have come out in force to reply, and OP scurried away in terror.

[EmilyAnne]

49. I still admire him and read every column. Sometimes, even before this primary, I disagreed with him

Its OK to disagree with someone on particular points. It really is. I promise.

[ellacott]

4. People are also condemning Keith Olbermann

Who once was lauded as being the only voice of truth and courage on TV. They've condemned Te Kennedy and anyone else who have endorsed Obama.

When will this tit for tat game stop?

[JoFerret]

23. For good reason

KO was fun when he was a blowhard blasting Bush but when he blows his brains he bombs.

Point is - in the end the shock jocks and ranters and ravers are irrational. Maybe we all have to grow up and see the tantrummers for what they are - loudmouth narcissists and demagogues. O'Reilly comes to mind. KO and the rest. They cross the political spectrum.

Thoughtful analysis and careful thinking is always worth time. And that's the difference between the two.

[ellacott]

44. I still like Keith

and don't see him in the same light. Most people view him in this light because of his choice not to treat Clinton with kid gloves.

Many of you all act like he just woke up one day and decided to start beating up on Hillary. She should never have given him stuff to use. He's not making up what he's saying.

[JoFerret]

76. And later - he will move on

Not a reliable guide to rational thinking and thoughtful analysis.

Hiss and spittle showman.

[Bake]

27. Don't forget Joe Wilson and Wes Clark

The O-bots threw them under the bus.

Bake

[ellacott]

45. As I said

When will the tit for tat stop?

[Bake]

64. Oh. And the boomers. And the gays.

More fodder for the bus wheels, courtesy of Obamarama.

Bake

[ellacott]

66. Now what are you talking about?

I guess you're trying to say that he threw the boomers and gays under the bus.

This is like recess, damn

[Bake]

71. Obama did just that.

"The boomers need to get over it ..." And McClurkin.

Exactly.

Bake

[cali]

5. uh, no. I like Krugman

I just disagree with his OPINION on this. Do educate yourself, dear and learn the difference between opinion and fact. It's quite an elemental thing. I'm sure you'll be able to grasp it someday. Oh, and your language is terribly hackneyed: "Bastion of truth"? "Shining star"? How embarassingly bad.

[Barack_America]

9. Lol. Despite the topic of his writings, looks like Krugman's got a "cult"...

...following of his own. :eyes:

[XemaSab]

6. Krugman's a good guy

but I happen to disagree with him about this.

[Armstead]

8. I don't condemn him -- But he jumped the shark in this primary

[LiveLiberally]

10. I like Krugman (and Keith O. for that matter)...

and frankly I dislike the fact that both of them have become punching bags for Obama-Clinton partisans. They are very different, but I do think they share one thing, which is a dislike of hypocrisy AS THEY SEE IT. (In other words, you or I may not agree!) Keith O. sees -- rightly or wrongly -- the Clinton campaign as adopting some of the same tactics he has eviscerated faux news & the Bush administration for years. Krugman sees hypocrisy in some of Obama's policies, particularly on Health care, arguing that a proposal without mandates (except for kids) is NOT universal health care and shouldn't pretend to be one for political expediency.

[DS1]

11. I don't mind Krugman. He's entitled to his opinion, and it's at least pro Democrat

It's not like he's pushing McCain over Obama

[JoFerret]

77. That's so broad minded of you. Gosh

.

[Captain Hilts]

12. Spritzer hasn't been a good example of successful young men in their 40s, has he? JFK too. nt

[LSparkle]

13. And the Hillbots now condemn Olbermann, Maddow, Rhodes ...

Leftie icons all ... Did Krugman work for Bill C.? What's his background?
I respect his intellect, but could it be that he's angling for a position in
a second Clinton administration?

I'm sure there are other academics (perhaps not as visible but no less
respected) who would vouch for Obama's competence.

[LulaMay]

19. For their BIASED 'reporting'. Krugman is quite conscientious. They've LOST IT.

[LSparkle]

32. You don't think Krugman's comments betray a bias?

[totodeinhere]

48. If you oppose Clinton you are "biased."

But if you support Clinton and oppose Obama then you are not biased. LOL.

[jconner27]

38. Here's the difference

Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow and Olbermann sound like Obama ads while Krugman points out the glaring flaws in Saint Obama. I wonder when Randi rips on Hillary is she getting her "research" from the RNC website or your average varity right wing blogger?

[redqueen]

14. No. I don't condemn him... I think he's great. (nt)

[Renew Deal]

15. Krugman is a crybaby elitist that's obsessed with Obama.

He should go back to pretending to be an economist. I have always appreciated his voice, but right now it's hoarse.

[Bake]

26. "Pretending to be an economist?"

Are you saying he's NOT an economist?

Bake

[dorktv]

81. I guess that whole Professor of Economics thing at Princeton is just

a big ol' joke!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

57. Paul luuuuuuurves him some outsourcing.

No wonder he supports the NAFTA Queen.

[MadBadger]

16. I dont hate him, I just have a disagreement with him. I dont go apeshit like people do over KO.

[LulaMay]

17. I met him on the Air America cruise. The Obama bias was ridiculous, and done purposely to drive

Hillary supporters away from the meetings.

He looked uncomfortable with the whole thing, the bias, and like he wished he was anyplace else.

He was very nice and of course brilliant talking about health care and the economy.


People can't stand the TRUTH sometimes, can they?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. Yeah, it would have been nice if Krugman had simply admitted he was for Clinton from the get go

But no, he had to put on a "neutral" act for several months, while shilling for the Clintons.

As for the "Obama bias" on the cruise, I would paraphrase your own comment toward you. People can't stand the TRUTH, can they? When it seems like an awful lot of people around you are coming to the same conclusion, they just may be right.

[cali]

Why do hilly supporters have such difficulty distinguishing

between opinion and fact? It's a conumdrum. I like Krugman, but I recognize that his opinion is just that- opinion That's why they call his NYT column an opinion column. I don't always agree with him- or anyone else writing opinion pieces. Some people think that Krugman is speaking truth, others think Frank Rich or Olberman are speaking truth. I recognize that they're expressing opinion; interpreting facts as the see them. You should learn how to do that.

[malletgirl02]

31. I agree

I wish we could recommend individual post, you are probably my favorite poster on DU. Like you said Krugman's column is just his opinion, no reason to get up in arms either way.

[cali]

35. oh, thank you.

I do think one can respect a columnist without enshrining him/her as some bastion of holy truth. I'll always enjoy reading Krugman. I won't always agree with him.

:hi:

[rodeodance]

50. I am sorry to hear that happened to him. Thanks for the post

[Growler]

18. I love Krugman, but disagree on this

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. If Dr. Krugman would have simply admitted he was shilling for Clinton, I would have been fine.

But he had to go and act like he was neutral, and then an Edwards supporter, while using his columns to trash Obama and spout Clinton talking points.

[jconner27]

46. Only if

Only if you Obama followers get Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes to admit their whoring for Obama.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

55. Randi Rhodes has come out for Obama.

Prior to that she maintained neutrality, being complimentary to all the candidates. Dr. Krugman's dishonest is particularly slimy, because he is a noted economist and columnist. Again, all he had to do was say he supported Senator Clinton, so that readers could put his statements in perspective.

[rodeodance]

60. has it occurred to you that he says what he says because he is an economist who

knows what he is talking about? has it?

[KittyWampus]

21. I think he's a brilliant Supply-Side Economist whose ego has caused him to lose perspective

when it comes to the Health Care debate. He's too emotionally invested in the arguments he's made.

He has a very flawed concept of political realities.

[mkultra]

43. ive never read krugman

But if hes supply side then im already biased against. Didnt voodoo economic supporters learn their lesson from reagan.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

63. He wants the people whose jobs he argued for outsourcing away

To be mandated to buy health insurance.


What's the problem. :shrug: :sarcasm:

[tishaLA]

24. Krugman has never called Sen Obama an empty suit

or anything like that. He disagrees with him on some policy issues. So do I. Big deal.

[sonias]

25. James K Galbraith thinks Obama is just fine

Krugman is entitled to his opinion. No one made him god for the whole left side of economics. I can still like him.

But this time around I'm siding with Dr. Galbraith and Obama.


Sonia

[redqueen]

28. I think this is called "projection".

[Political Heretic]

29. I don't condemn him. Do you condemn KO?

He's just wrong. I don't need to condemn him... he's right about some other stuff.

[Usrename]

30. I know you believe what you are saying...

...but you are mischaracterising the argument.


There is a different perspective than the one you have, different from the one that Krugman has.

Although their plans are very similar, much of the recent campaign debate has centered on their difference over individual mandates, which are included in Clinton's plan but only apply to children in Obama's. Clinton has argued that Obama's plan is not universal, as many would choose not to buy health insurance. Obama contends that people will buy health insurance if it is made affordable.

This is a significant difference, as most health care policy experts believe a voluntary plan can at best cover 95 percent of those eligible. On the other hand, this difference is less than meets the eye because Obama's plan, unlike Clinton's, includes automatic enrollment in the public plan for anyone who is employed and does not have access to quality affordable coverage. As a result, Obama's plan would likely lead to higher enrollment in the public option than Clinton's, which many health policy experts believe is the best way to effectively control health care costs.

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/272528

It has little to do with whether or not one likes Paul Krugman, it has a lot to do with whether or not he is correct about this.

[RichardRay]

33. I support Obama. I like Payl Krugman.

I don't agree with everything Barack Obama says, in some areas I think he's flat wrong, but he's my bes choice and I like him. Ditto Paul Krugman. One of the reasons I like Obama is that I'm pretty certain that a President Obama would reach out to someone like Krugman to get all the valuable input he can provide, and do it sincerely and well. Barack knows how politics works, and he does not through out babies with bathwater.

[candice]

34. Krugman just hasn't has his conversion. He's too logical to swoon.

Obama is channeling Hillary on healthcare now, so maybe Krugman will get religion.

[cali]

37. LOL. Are you suggesting that Pat Leahy, that crusty old

New England curmudgeon swooned? How patently foolish. Oh well, some of you don't mind looking brainless.

[elixir]

36. good post, krugman is a god and his allegiance to HRC is their issue

[Occam Bandage]

47. "Krugman is a god." "Krugman is a shining star."

The cultification of the HRC remnant continues.

[elixir]

79. What did you edit? Don't worry, you won't hurt my feelings unless you were correcting your spelling

then I would be offended.

[olkaz]

39. You know what's funny?

I haven't heard one Obama supporter say that "Krugman is dead to me now".

I read that about thirty times a day about Olberman from Hillary supporters.

Krugman is a good man, and I'm glad he's on our side, but he's wrong here. And he's not dead to me.

[cali]

40. *snicker* Your baseless premise got shot down but good, dear,

by the response of Obama supporters, and I note that you don't even have the guts to respond to anyone. Typical hit and run shit.

[Occam Bandage]

41. I don't "condemn" him. I simply think he's let this campaign season get the better of him.

[Ian_rd]

51. "bastion of truth and shining star"? Oh, wow. Ya'll are becoming totally incoherent and desperate.

Obama didn't even say anything about Krugman I assume then. It's his "folks," I see. We are attacking the great light of the universe, the life-giving force of knowledge of our existence! How dare Obama ('s folks) attack the very soul of righteousness and reason?

You Hillbots are gonna start drooling on yourselves at any moment. I hope a moment of clarity is coming soon for many of you.

[rodeodance]

53. "You Hillbots are gonna start drooling on yourselves" This is a very RUDE comment and

certainly does not contribute to a discussion.

[Ian_rd]

54. I would agree with you if the original post was somehow rational.

But if this ridiculous comment is the kind of thing that Hillary supporters are voting to the greatest page, then I'm standing by my response.

[rodeodance]

59. Krugman has taken an unfair hit by by obamafolks--i have the demonished posts--they

do a great dis-service to the Democratic Party by belittling him.

[rodeodance]

52. REC

[mrreowwr_kittty]

56. Jesus. "shining star for all dems and progressives" "bastion of truth and shining star"

And they say WE worship a messiah. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

61. Yes, the majority have dissed him royality.

[Teaser]

73. stats please

Can I get a post count, factored by unique internet addresses, that demonstrate conclusively that the majority of Obama supporters have "dissed Krugman royally."

Of course the very nebulousness of the concept of "royal dissing" will make your job somewhat harder. But I expect you will be able to get me some numbers shortly.

[rodeodance]

62. K

[GOTV]

65. I don't hate Krugman. I just disagree with him. n/t

[GeorgeGist]

67. krugman et al

miss the point. Health care should be for people not profit.

[hulka38]

70. What folks and what did these folks say exactly. Show the quote and where you found it.

[ProSense]

72. In addition to repeated distortions, Krugman called all Obama supporters cultish.

He was wrong to do it and deserved to be called out.

Paul Krugman is fast becoming a hack

What Paul Krugman doesn't want you to know about Hillary and health care

Edwards' senior economic policy advisor just endorsed Obama (I wonder if Krugman thinks Hindery is a cult member now?)

[depakid]

74. Where has Krugman said that Hillary s the preferable "candidate?"

Krugman focuses on POLICY and analysis.

In his commentary, he's simply found Obama's proposals lacking. And for good reason.

[amborin]

75. Obama's proposals are lacking, exactly

that's tantamount to saying Hillary is the preferable candidate

she's the best hope for some progressive programs getting implemented

[BenDavid]

80. Soon it will be that anyone that says anything against obama

and his campaign will be called either a bigot or a racist. Kinda strange being called a racist in the DU in cyber time but over the years in real time working to help campaign and elect blacks in Mississippi have been called N----- lover, and a whole lot worse....