Why Kerry's performance on MTP wasn't so hot!

[Classical_Liberal]

MR. RUSSERT: On Thursday, President Bush broke with the tradition and policy of six predecessors when he said that Israel can keep part of the land seized in the 1967 Middle East War and asserted the Palestinian refugees cannot go back to their particular homes. Do you support President Bush?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: Completely?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4772030/

[mouse7]

1. Quit trying to start I/P flame wars outside the I/P forum

You want to have an I/P flame war, start it in the I/P forum.

[Classical_Liberal]

4. It isn't a flame war. It is a discussion about John Kerry

When you get a moderator job. Maybe you can tell me what to do.

[liberalnurse]

Open discussion is necessary.....

Rank and file thinking only kills this board......The poster has identified an important issue for our candidate to explain.

[still_one]

2. Please remember

in 1967 the entire Arab coalition was trying to push the Jews into the sea.

It was only then that Israel won that war.

What did you expect them to do, wait to be slaughtered?

[Classical_Liberal]

7. settlement prevent them from being slaughtered?

I don't think so.

[BeatleBoot]

3. Personally, I thought Kerry

hit a grand slam out of the ball park on MTP.

And juxtapose his performance with that of junior's performance on MTP a while back and I can't see why anyone would vote for Bush...

[still_one]

6. I agree

In addition, he indicated that if Hamas would stop calling for the destruction of Israel, perhaps progress could be made

[Classical_Liberal]

8. How can progress be made if half the west bank is gone?

?

[WVhill]

5. Kerry needs to keep the Jewish vote

especially in New Jersey. To the extent that supporters of Israel feel keeping the land is justified, Kerry may have nullified some of the 9/11 effect that showed up in NY and NJ.

[Classical_Liberal]

9. Clinton kept the jewish vote without doing this

most jews don't support settlements.

[still_one]

10. You are correct

right now the bush administration is trying to con the Jewish vote that only they have Israel's interest at heart. In reality, they are being used. When bush took office in 2000 he could have continued where Clinton left off, and perhaps the Palestinians might have a state, or well on their way, instead bush did everything to ignore, and perhaps instigate the current crisis

[Classical_Liberal]

11. IF Clinton could win without supporting Likud, why can't

Kerry?

[KoKo]

28. The Jewish vote isn't the only vote that's important, though. Bush has

a good portion of the Jewish vote sewn up because of his policies. So, Kerry needs to think about those of us who aren't Jewish, too.

[blm]

12. Sorry, CL. You aren't going to sabotage Kerry's support for November.

Why waste your time trying to divert support FROM Kerry? I trust Kerry's liberal creds over the last 35 years over someone who claims to be liberal on an internet message board.

Kerry was looking out for ME on BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning investigations he pursued.

Kerry was looking out for ME when he racked up the best environmental record of ALL the candidates including Dennis Kucinich.

Kerry was looking out for ME when he wrote legislation advocating for public financing of alections.

Kerry was looking out for all of us when he testified that gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military.

Who are YOU looking out for?

I don't TRUST anyone who advocates campaigning AGAINST Kerry with the result being Bush gets an easier ride.

No way. No day.

[Classical_Liberal]

14. I don't advocate campaigning against Kerry

I don't advocate nader voting or not voting. I am critical of this stand however and will continue to criticize him so long as he moves to the right of Carter and Clinton.

[still_one]

16. don't worry I will vote for Kerry

Carter and CLinton, both did not advocate going back to the 67 borders.

[Classical_Liberal]

21. No they advocated the Palestinians negotiating them

rather than us giving the Israelis land we have no authority to give them, like Kerry just did.

[blm]

20. Kerry's RECORD is well to Clinton and Carter's left.

Carter and Clinton were both moderate centrists.

Kerry is a liberal who uses moderate language.

Whatever his campaign strategy is he is welcome to it, and deserves the trust of those who NEED him to win in November by any rhetorical means necessary. Kerry knows he can't afford the election to be even close, because close means Bush wins, no matter what.

[Classical_Liberal]

22. I don't know why you would welcome a shitty campaign strategy

He is to the right of Clinton and Carter if he approves the Sharon plan.

[blm]

24. You think he ISN'T consulting with Clinton?

I am quite positive they have discussed all the possible ramifications and, importantly, what they would be capable of correcting come January.

[Classical_Liberal]

27. I am voting for him hoping thats the case

but I ain't going to bet on it. He could correct it right now. I wouldn't be so unhappy with him and the questioning would end.

[mouse7]

25. Like Skinner said, Kerry is president of ?WHAT? right now?

Hmmm he's not President now, is he? That means that what being said is campaign politics, doesn't it?

[Classical_Liberal]

26. Then it is bad campaign politics, and a fitting debate

.

[mouse7]

29. IN YOUR OPINION.

Your personal opinion on an issue is not a statement of fact.

[Classical_Liberal]

30. Siding with Lieberman is what created the Nader mess last time

. I don't think the Jewish vote is solidly aligned behind Sharon.

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2003%20Opinion%20Editorials/August/6%20o/Arab%20Americans%20and%20American%20Jews%20agree%20on%20path%20to%20peace,%20By%20James%20Zogby.htm

There are also many pro-peace swingstates particularly in the upper midewest. Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota.

[Occulus]

13. And on such a hotbutton issue

did anyone really expect him to take a controversial stand?

I'm 100% neutral on the I/P issue. Not only do I not know enough about the history behind it to make a good case one way or the other, I simply do not care. To me, it's the fault of both sides that this conflict has continued, and I apply the blame equally and evenly.

With that in mind, I cannot condemn or praise Kerry for his comment.

[Classical_Liberal]

15. This is a controversial stand.

or people wouldn't be complaining. The less controversial stand would be to support Clinton and Carter, and to criticize Bush for betraying them.

[Occulus]

18. see?

I did say I didn't know enough about the issue to make an informed decision either way :)

[w13rd0]

17. I'm not 100% neutral...

...I say we tell all of them to move out and turn the "Holy Land" into a friggin theme park. Nothing remotely holy about land over which so much blood has been shed.

[still_one]

19. I say we nuke Jerusaleum

that would end the problem

[mouse7]

23. Well, I'm 100% "They're all acting like children" on issue

The whole mess is like an elemantary school food fight only much more deadly. Everyone is yelling, "They gave me cooties... he's touching me... They looked at me."

I couldn't be more disgusted by everyone's conduct if I tried.

[Nicholas_J]

Kerry's job now

is to keep a low profile. Let Bush's record speak against Bush, and attack in areas that show that the Democrats were right about waiting to go into Iraq, letting the inspectors finish their job, and trying to get and actual U.N. supported coalition togetther before doing anything.

[Nicholas_J]

31. Kerry's job now

is to keep a low profile. Let Bush's record speak against Bush, and attack in areas that show that the Democrats were right about waiting to go into Iraq, letting the inspectors finish their job, and trying to get and actual U.N. supported coalition togetther before doing anything.

[sangh0]

32. The purists strike again

All it takes is one disagreement.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. Just because someone disagrees with a stance Kerry takes

does not a "purist" make. By that standard one could call you an apologist.

Do you know what happens when the party electorate is unquestioning of it's candidate? You get yourself a Chimp. Think about it.

[Classical_Liberal]

34. If I were a purist, I would want him to cut off aid

to Israel, as it is I would just like him to not approve of right wing things like giving Sharon settlements on the West Bank.

I voted for Al Gore.

[John_H]

35. Of course you didn't like Kerry's performance

He knocked it out of the park.

[Classical_Liberal]

36. If you consider that knocking it out of the park

I don't understand why? Honestly are you seriously trying to get Bush voters? Why wouldn't a Bush voter just vote for Bush?