Jesus wouldn't be where he is today if he wasn't a jew!

[aasleka]

WTF is up with the Hillary campaign?

I actually heard people agreeing at work today with Ferraro I am friggin speechless....

I did however reserve three days off in January of 09 for the inaguaration and bought bumper stickers from the obama store for my other co-workers.

[leftofcool]

1. I think your header is probably correct

[dchill]

2. OK... So just exactly where...

is Jesus today? I certainly don't know. Pretty sure he's dead, though.

[shain from kane]

3. He didn't quite take off until He became a Christian.

[MADem]

5. He never "became a Christian."

Good grief. He was a Jew with a message. He died a Jew on a cross.

It was his FOLLOWERS who became "Christians"--you know, followers of "Christ."

[shain from kane]

9. Refer to Zahl, Paul F. M. --- The First Christian. His teachings were unlike

those of a Jewish rabbi.

See this review from Amazon.com



Editorial Reviews

From Booklist
*Starred Review* Pastor and theologian Zahl wants to restart the quest for the historical Jesus. Not the one just winding down, typified by the ranking of Jesus' sayings for authenticity and the portrayal of Jesus as merely a "Mediterranean Jewish peasant." Zahl has in mind the 1950s' Jesus quest, whose leader Ernst Kasemann sought for the Christian Jesus, a rabbi whose teaching upheld many Jewish beliefs and practices yet was radically discontinuous with Judaism. Starting where the Messianic Jewish prophet John the Baptist did, by calling people to repent, Jesus then proclaimed the kingdom of God, thereby altering the religious conception of history and announcing the good news of salvation--moreover, announcing it principally and pointedly to poor sinners, which Zahl insists was and is the most distinctive and evangelically effective Christian pronouncement. Of course, along with the good news came some that was pretty hard to take: that of original sin, which entailed a person's utterly contingent relationship to God, who would save one only because He would, not because of anything one did. Basic stuff, this, but Zahl, drawing on some marvelous resources, including the appreciative Jewish scholar of Jesus, David Flusser, restates it all so cogently and concisely (144 pages!) that this is the book anyone befuddled about Christianity should read to get a clear idea of the distinctives of Christian belief. Ray Olson
Copyright © American Library Association. All rights reserved

[MADem]

15. That's an opinion piece by someone who wants to rewrite existing history.

Don't give me a commentary, a theory, basically, and expect me to take it as "fact."

Jesus died a Jew. A radical Jew, but a Jew nonetheless. Jesus is a Christian TO Christians, but to his own self, he was a Jew with a Mission and a Message.

[shain from kane]

20. And I suppose Marx wasn't a Marxist. Jesus may have died a Jew, but He sure as Hell was resurrected

as a Christian.

[MADem]

22. No he wasn't. He wasn't a "self worshipper." That's what calling him a "Christian" is tagging him.

According to "the story," he was the Son of God.

Sorry, his FOLLOWERS are Christian.

Marxism wasn't a religion, BTW.

[shain from kane]

24. Here is an article about Marxism as a religion. There are numerous other essays.

http://www.mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/rae4_1_5.pdf

[MADem]

26. Fine, you believe that. There aren't any Marxist Houses of Worship nor are their

ministers of the faith, and you wouldn't get very far trying to get a tax deduction if you started up one of those churches or contributed to one....but you do go on with your bad self!

[MADem]

4. That's actually a true statement.

I realize you were trying to be snarky and ironic, and try to relate your "clever" remark to the Ferraro business... but that didn't do it, because your statement is a true one.

Jesus' very "Jewishness" and membership in The Tribe was a key part of his persona, vital to the development of his message, and did, plainly, overwhelmingly, and evidently, influence "where he is today."

[JuniperLea]

6. Yep yep yep

Oh, the irony!

[aasleka]

8. It did, you consider the label and not the contents

Because of a label his message is rendered as something less than what it actually is, like many still claiming Obama has no ideas.

[MADem]

14. No, I'm talking about the "contents." The act of being raised a Jew had a

great influence on Jesus. Not just the "Jewish label." The very foundation of Christianity is Judaism.

I'm not commenting on the message of JC. I'm commenting on the OP, which was designed to make some sort of "point" but, owing to a lack of historical and theological knowledge, ended up missing by a country mile.

[aasleka]

18. LOL you can tell all that from a metaphor?

[MADem]

19. I pull the string all the way back to the statement in the OP.

My response is plainly contextual.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Your coworkers agreeing with it was exactly the point.

Clinton is throwing the entire party, and country under the bus to get white working class people who loathe affirmative action, and blame it for a lot of their woes, to vote for her in PA so she can maintain some relevance going to Denver.

[NDambi]

10. Jesus was a black man that's why he got where he was..and is so revered...

:rofl:

[Mooney]

11. Jesus was black

and so was Cleopatra.

[NDambi]

12. you won't get an argument from me...

[aasleka]

13. agreed!

[MADem]

16. Jesus was a SEMITE. He probably looked a lot like Yassir Arafat.

He probably wasn't too tall, didn't have long golden hair, didn't have blue eyes, and was built close to the ground. He was probably MARRIED, too, as most Jewish men were, well before they hit their thirties:


http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282186.html

From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes. Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast. On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered. There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image (above) of the most famous face in human history.

[Indenturedebtor]

17. Unlikely but possible

Jews as a bloodline are most closely genetically related to Arabs. Now there are more than a few black jews in the world, and there were back then as well. But hey we're all black anyways... some of us with lighter skin though ;) We all came from Africa at one point anywho! Especially Jews. Hell Hebrew is an African language at its root! And so was Aramaic.

And unless I'm remembering wrong Cleopatra was a Ptolomeic Greek... who were quite Greek and quite white.

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On Jesus: Original Sin was not a new concept unfortunately. Now saying that you didn't have to do anything but love god to be forgiven, and that you didn't have to have a covenant with god was a new thing. But most of his spiel (as decided on at the Council Of Nicea in Constantinople a few hundred years later) was trying to get back to core Jewish principles of charity, democracy, etc.

There was actually a big movement to do so at this time in Jewish History, and new messiahs were a dime a dozen. If you get a chance to go to Israel you can visit some of the compounds where these groups did their thing. The priestly hierarchy had gotten out of control, and was in bed with the Roman Imperialist Corporatists, and people were fed up about it. If you'll notice in the NT, it wasn't only Jesus that was crucified, though none of the other holy men are mentioned.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. You are joking, right? I can't tell. (And the Mooney nick makes it doubly confusing)

I love Paul Mooney, but I do "know my history"... Cleopatra was Greek.

[jakem]

23. Um... and where is Jesus today anyhow?!

Unity '08?

[BlackVelvet04]

25. Actually, that's very true....

he was crucified because he was the king of the Jews.