ANGRY WHITE FEMALE???

[polichick]

Michelle Bernard (Independent Women's Voice), a guest on Hardball just suggested that, with Geraldine Ferraro's statements and the Clinton campaign, we may be seeing the emergence of the "angry white female."

What do you think??

[leftofcool]

1. Angry?

I think not angry but rather the feeling that those things some of us older gals have worked for all of our lives are not going to happen in our lifetime.

[elehhhhna]

4. Cheer up. Maybe Condi will run in 2012.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. ewwwwwwwww

:thumbsdown:

[woolldog]

67. She has absolutely no charisma or personality.

I can't imagine her campaigning successfully.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Why are you resting your hopes on Clinton?

She's the savior of the American White Woman?

[pnwmom]

17. No. It's because the same sexist, misogynistic attacks that were used on her

will be used on the next Democratic woman who runs -- at least by the media.

If it's a Rethug candidate, the MSM might hold its fire. We'll see.

[JackORoses]

24. people don't dislike Hillary because she's a woman,

They dislike her because she is a dirty, lying, cheating politician.

That is not sexism, it is good judgment.

[pnwmom]

29. The attacks on HRC began before anyone knew anything about her.

From the time Bill took office, she was attacked for her body shape, her ankles, her headbands, her decorating, and her commitment to having a career of her own and wanting to do something more than "bake cookies" while she was First Lady.

From the first moment he took office, she was attacked for not living up to the stepford version of being a woman.

[Nederland]

37. Nonsense

There was a time that Hillary led in the polls by 30+ points. It makes absolutely no sense to say that the reason Hillary fell from that height to where she is now because voters suddenly developed a severe case of sexism in the last four months. It makes much more sense to say that over the last four months a large number of voters found out more about Obama and discovered they preferred him over Hillary.

[pnwmom]

72. No, I'm saying that Hillary has been the victim of sexist and misogynistic

attacks since the day Bill took office, because it was clear that she wasn't in the normal First Lady mold -- she was clearly ambitious. Any other strong women would have also faced these sorts of attacks. (I'm concerned about Michelle and what she may be facing, since she's also clearly smart and ambitious.)

I am not AT ALL saying this is the only reason HRC has fallen in popularity lately. And I'm NOT saying there aren't good and valid reasons for criticizing her But valid criticisms would be based on her actions and policies, not on her being a woman -- or not being womanly enough.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Funny, I *liked* her during that entire time. I stood up for her. Hell, I still like her..

but frankly, her actions since she entered the Senate, and during this campaign, are what I have the most problem with. Voting for the Iraq war and then playing semantic games instead of simply acknowledging, as Edwards did, that the vote was a MISTAKE.

Pursuing pandering bullshit like flag burning and video games instead of addressing real problems in the Senate.

And most of all, a whole ton of tiresome Clinton-style triangulation; even worse, triangulation based upon so-called "conventional wisdom" (voting for the Iraq War is a sure fire vote getter!) which isn't even right...

fast forward to the 2008 Primary Process, where her campaign's entire early "strategy" was to tell- sorry, to YELL AT- Democratic Voters repeatedly that she IS the nominee, that she's entitled, that it's "her turn", that anyone even daring to challenge her coronation was merely blocking the inevitability railroad.

While they were doing this, of course, they were failing to make the case as to why she had earned the nomination.. The whole strategy was to bluster, loudly and often, that it was hers by default.

Didn't work. And now that everything else has failed, they're falling back on this tired idea that they can make it about "sisterhood" and about baby boomer women feeling mad because a younger man is "stealing" a job that supposedly "belongs" to Hillary.

See, that's the problem right there- the nomination wasn't hers to begin with. She needed to win it. She didn't.

When Barbara Boxer runs in a Democratic Presidential Primary, you bet your bippy I will be out there on the front lines stumping for her. But not Hillary, not this time.

[pnwmom]

69. But that's the point. You had to stand up for her against stupid sexist attacks.

Barbara Boxer has spoken at some length about enduring the same kinds of attacks herself. That's probably why there are only 16 women in the Senate even today.

[JackORoses]

51. irrelevant. The criticisms she is drawing now are due to her own actions and attitudes

[Cha]

43. And the hilarys like that one the OP mentioned on tv

are freakin' gender baiters.

[anonymeme]

54. You Mean Like the "Good Judgment" Obama Used When He Got His House Thru' Rezko?

You Mean Like the "Good Judgment" Obama Used When He Got His House Thru' Rezko?

You mean THAT kind of "good judgment?"

And do you really believe that Barack Obama stepped out of the dirty, lying, cheating type of politics in Chicago, clean and innocent as a new born babe?

Hey, I got a bridge, interested in buying it?

[susankh4]

64. Be careful.

We aren't allowed to say such things about St. Obama.

What? They are true?

No matter.... it's racist if you say them......

[anonymeme]

61. ANGRY?! DO I SEEM ANGRY TO YOU?! x(

ANGRY?! DO I SEEM ANGRY TO YOU?! x(
DARN TOOTIN' I'M ANGRY! :grr:
THE OBAMAMANIANS ARE MADDENING!!!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::nuke:

[On the Road]

2. I Think DU Might Have Beaten Her to the Punch

:smoke:

[K Gardner]

3. I thought it was already here, but then again, I read DU.

[Barack_America]

6. So that's all you got from that refreshing and intelligent discussion on race?

The one "angry white female" line?

[DJ13]

8. I would call it the "entitled white female" syndrome

Not getting what they expected with Hillary as their candidate is whats made them angry.

She was supposed to ride into the WH unopposed, and her supporters cant understand why she didnt.

[polichick]

12. I think that might be it too...

It was "inevitable" and now it isn't. As a woman, I very much want to see a female president ~ but not one who enabled Bush and who would throw the party under the bus in order to win. I want a woman in the WH to bring "feminine" sensibilities that will balance entrenched masculine sensibilities. Not war and winning at all costs ~ but peace and justice.

[DJ13]

15. Right on the money!

:thumbsup:

[pnwmom]

18. Her supporters and even some of those not in her camp (like me)

were disgusted by the sexist attacks that have been directed against her.

[polichick]

23. There have been no sexist attacks by Obama or his campaign.

[pnwmom]

26. No, but plenty by his DU supporters. n/t

[anonymeme]

57. Be Sure to Tie the Word "White" to Any Negative Ideas You Can Find, But You're Not Racist, Are You?

Be Sure to Tie the Word "White" to Any Negative Ideas You Can Find, But You're Not Racist, Are You?

Why even Oprah Winfrey says that blacks can't be racist...

She also believed that the Celestine Prophesy was going to come into being...

You can't really fight racism, by using it in the other direction.

[Spazito]

9. I have no problem with angry females, angry males if they are

angry about discrimination of ANY kind. We should all be angry about that - be it race-based, gender-based, sexual-orientation-based, religious/anti-religious-based.

[nomorenomore08]

19. But I thought the whole problem with the archetypal "angry white male"

was seeing discrimination where none exists, or at least, mistaking the source of it (i.e. blaming "reverse racism" instead of unfair economic policies that benefit the rich). Actually, come to think of it, those who view any criticism of Hilary as an attack on all women have more in common with the Limbaugh crowd than they realize.

Phrases consisting of "angry white..." anything always make me pause and raise an eyebrow. Not that people have nothing to be angry about just because they're white (and therefore have an advantage in this society), but it seems like the target of that anger is usually misplaced, i.e. attacking the vulnerable (racial/sexual minorities, immigrants, etc.) instead of the powerful.

[Spazito]

25. I didn't use the word "white" and did not do so deliberately

because to do so would negate the point I was trying to make. It is not the color of one's skin, which gender one is, what your sexual orientation is that should determine whether one should be angry about discrimination. Everyone should be angry about discrimination and condemn it when it raises it's ugly head.

[nomorenomore08]

28. I realize that, and I wasn't criticizing you. I was just trying to explore

the phenomenon of supposedly "angry" people, and "angry white male" is a phrase that's been used a lot in the public discourse.

[Spazito]

33. Ahhh, got you....

To me there is a world of difference between "angry" people and "angry white male" or, as was used in the OP quoting someone on television, "angry white female". I guess what I was trying to do, in a very small way, was to acknowledge the legitimacy of anger at injustice while refusing to legitimize an exclusionary form of that anger such as I see when I see the word "angry (insert color, gender, sexual orientation)" when it comes to discrimination.

Thank you for your wanting to explore this, your posts are making me explore at a deeper level why I responded the way I did, so thank you again.

[Bucky]

10. They already exist. I can't explain in detail now cause she's making me get off the computer.

[polichick]

14. Lol :)

[Beacool]

11. Well, this female is angry enough

and many of my friends too. Not to mention all the NJ campaign volunteers of both genders (it's not just the women) with whom I had lunch on Saturday as we plan our strategy to go to PA for the next month and a half.

Expect a backlash in November........

[Cali_Democrat]

13. God your such a fricken baby

:cry:

[gulfbreeze]

27. I think I'm there too

I rarely respond but I do read du. I also read other sites just trying to understand why people feel the way they do and why our party is coming apart at the seams. I believe it will take us all coming together to win (I don't see any other way in the general election) but that's really not going to happen. It has been divide and conquer.... I'm divided and I guess I'm conquered. For the first time since I registered to vote at 18, (I'm 54) I think I'm hanging it up. It's just too painful to see our party being torn to shreds by our own, and handing John McCain the presidency.

[Beacool]

32. I think that at this point the only way to save the election is the one way that all here hate:

a unity ticket. Either they both run together or they both lose......

[polichick]

39. The way to save this election is for Hillary to behave with integrity, the way Barack does...

...instead of trying to steal the election by way of MI and FL, letting her surrogates say racist things, using fearmongering in her ads, or endorsing McCain.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

49. I don't think there will be a backlash against Obama. Time heals all wounds.

[LSparkle]

16. I'll cop to being one ... for Obama

I don't want a woman candidate who concentrates on being a
"fighter" in order to win. I'd prefer a woman candidate
who can win by the strength of her policies, by her ability
to connect with voters and to inspire people, who brings heart
and intelligence to her campaign, not just a candidate who
can play the game better, who is "wilier."

MSNBC showed a profile of Hillary that was quite a revelation.
In the opening minutes, it showed her recalling how her mother
taught her how to deal with another little girl who was pushing
her around -- to go out and "deck" that girl. And Hillary
gleefully recalled how she went out and did just that -- and then
felt like she could play with the "big boys." She's still equating
fighting with playing with the "big boys" -- forgetting that
fighting isn't the only thing the country needs in a leader.

Part of electing a woman, IMHO, would be to bring a less combative,
more diplomatic, less testosterone-fueled approach to governing.
Unfortunately, Hillary makes me angry because she's not using those
feminine attributes; she's trying to cover those up and just trying
to "deck" the boys.

[nomorenomore08]

20. I understand what you're saying, but be careful with the gender essentialism stuff.

nt

[LSparkle]

22. If there's no difference between the way men and women approach

problems, then what's the "historic" angle of Hillary even
running? I may be generalizing, but I do think there are
differences between the way the sexes think (and I've been
described by my friends as a very masculine-thinking female).

[AtomicKitten]

21. The anger is because Hillary is losing. It's logistics and has nothing to do with gender.

[Arugula Latte]

30. I'm an Angry White Female -- I'm angry at that arrogant party wrecker Hillary!

At this point I believe she just wants to destroy Obama to save her chances for 2012.

:grr:

[polichick]

31. I'm with you - the Ferraro thing has pissed the hell out of me!

[hell-bent]

46. What an asinine assertion.

Hillary is only behind by what: 127 delegates? After Pennsylvania, she probably will be ahead in the popular vote. Who said this primary race is Obama's "party"? Get a grip on it, will ya. Will you bolt to Nader if he loses to Clinton?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

50. Another voice of reason. That's exactly what pisses me off.

[ecstatic]

34. A reporter embedded in HRC's campaign noticed the same thing

He cited examples of some women shouting epithets about Obama with as much venom in their voices as they could muster.

[Cali_Democrat]

35. Link?

Do you have a link or could you provide more detail? What were they shouting?

[Independent-Voter]

36. HRC's consistently done well with old, low-educated white women. Dont' know if they're angry/bitter

[hell-bent]

40. Hasn't Obama consistently done well with

old, low-educated black women and men? Don't know if they're angry/bitter. He(Obama) received 90% of the black vote in Mississippi I beleive. I didn't realize that the state had so many well-educated individuals. :wtf:

[Nia Zuri]

47. and young educated white males, young educated white females

old educated white males; educated black males & females

[hell-bent]

52. Holy Crap!

It appears you have the entire spectrum of educated individuals voting for the Anointed One. How come you didn't win California and New York? Oh, those states have demographics which indicate less educated voters than say Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Alabama. Ok, I understand now. Ha,ha,ha......

[anigbrowl]

38. Geraldine Ferraro is the hero of the hour over on Stormfront

...which should tell you something. I'm reluctant to say that her arguments were calculated to appeal to that Demographic, but running off to be comforted by Bill O'Reilly sure makes you wonder.

Prediction: if Obama gains the nomination, look for self-appointed 'Reagan Democrats' to appear, branding themselves as moderates who are 'concerned' about the party's dangerous shift to the left or some similar bullshit. There will be a lot of fake white victimology going on over the summer.

[polichick]

41. "I'm hurt," she's saying in a clip they keep playing on msnbc...

I feel like bitch slapping Geraldine ~ and Hillary to boot!

[hell-bent]

60. I would wager

that Hillary could beat the living crap out of you with one hand tied behind her back.

[polichick]

71. I'm sure she could...

And you help to make my point ~ she's comfortable rolling around in the gutter.

My purpose in metaphorically slapping them was to WAKE THEM UP not BEAT THEM UP.

[Catherina]

56. :( They pandered to the lowest instincts and it worked. Stormfront?

:scared:

[hell-bent]

59. Do you think that there

will be some fake black victimolgy going on over the Summer or Fall if Obama isn't the nominee?

[Cha]

42. Angry deluded

hilary pimp is more accurate.

[sniffa]

45. THEY WILL NOT BE IGNORED

[polichick]

53. Yikes :)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. We saw what the "Angry White Male" got us: WAR! Hillary would just give us more of the same.

[hell-bent]

55. Is that the standard

line to be used by the Obama surrogates? Have you been programed?

[anonymeme]

58. Really Reaching... And Completely Ridiculous! Can You Say "Kitchen Sink Approach?" [NT]

NT

[susankh4]

66. You mean....

if Michelle doesn't scratch her eyes out. Right?

Or, wait... that was Bill's eyes.... I think.

Sounds like an angry black female to me.....

[susankh4]

62. Damn straight!

I'm mad as hell, and I am not planning to take it any more!

Hillary is a socialist.... no she's "right wing lite."

Hillary is cold & calculating.... no, she's too emotional.

Hillary is a racist.... Hillary is a bitch.... Hillary is a liar..... Hillary is a monster.... Hillary is a lesbian....

Nobody should have to submit to this constant onslaught of insults and keep smiling. God forbid that we, white women, say *anything* at all about Mr. Obama....

I've had it. And so has Geraldine. And we aren't the only ones.... it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

[polichick]

68. Obama has said NONE of those things...

...and those in his camp who do are let go ~ not so in the Clinton camp.

[Thepricebreaker]

63. She sounds angry.. and the last time I checked she is white and female... so it fits...

[JVS]

65. I certainly hope not. Racism like Ferarro's would make our party as bad as the Angry White Male...

made the republicans.

[NorthernSpy]

70. It's better in Obamaland: no grievance politics stinking the place up...

:)