Why is Republicans voting for Obama good, but for Clinton bad?

[RestoreGore]

Why was it that not too long ago I read here that Republicans were registering to be "Democrats for a day" courtesy of a flyer sent out by the Obama campaign to vote for him, and people were all excited that he had 'reached' Republicans who were 'moving over'... yet, news that Republicans may have voted for Clinton is bad? Double standard? Oh wait, I know... because Republicans generally hate Clinton but love Obama. So now Democrats are supposed to love Republicans too if they vote for the candidate of choice because only "pure and chaste" Republicans would think to vote for him?

[Lucinda]

1. K&R

[anonymous171]

2. It's a collision of two factors:

1. Clinton has NO crossover appeal, in fact, she probably has negative crossover appeal.
2. Rush Limbaugh encouraging repugs to vote Clinton. Suddenly her numbers with republicans shoot way up.

[RestoreGore]

6. Oh, but didn't I also read right here that Obama advertised on Limbaugh's show?

Lame excuse if that is true.

[jgraz]

8. As lame as Bill Clinton actually APPEARING on Rush's show the day of the TX primary?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/wtf-bill-clinton-on-rush-limba.php

[RestoreGore]

11. You just proved there is then no differrnce between them

So again the question: why is Obama's playing to them GOOD, but Clinton's playing to them BAD?

[jgraz]

23. I did no such thing

Obama is asking them to JOIN him. Bill just wants them to fuck with the primaries, knowing full-well that, come November, there will be ZERO support from Repugs for Hillary Clinton.

[RestoreGore]

27. Oh really?...

So it's OK for Obama to ask Limbaugh's putrid Republican followers to JOIN HIM after what their enabling has contributed to?

[jgraz]

31. If it's an attempt to secure sincere crossover votes, yes.

Why the hell WOULDN'T you want to be converting Rethugs??? We can't simply get rid of them, as much as we'd like to.

[RestoreGore]

51. And yet you call them "rethugs," great way to "convert" them

And, 'convert'? Is this a religion? How do you know they have been "converted?" Does a bolt of lightning come down and strike them? How do you know their votes are sincere? You can't really say that entirely about either Obama or Clinton which again then begs the question, why is it good for Obama but bad for Clinton if you have no problem with wanting to "convert" them?

[jgraz]

54. You are making no sense.

[RestoreGore]

65. yes I am. You just refuse to see it

[Blarch]

35. easy.

The repubs voting for Obama will show up and vote for him in the GE, they are the real deal.

Hillary's repub voters will vote MCCain in the GE, they are just fucking around right now ...far from the real deal ...the true crossover vote.

[RestoreGore]

66. yeah, OK...

[TwilightGardener]

12. Bill Clinton was interviewed, and the interview was run the next day, by a guest host

on Limbaugh's show--Limbaugh declared he was going to be "sick" on Monday, the guest host filled in and ran the interview, and Limbaugh was back the next day. Guess the Clintons only hate the VRWC when it makes them look like martyrs--otherwise, they can do business.

[RestoreGore]

24. Well, Obama praises Reagan every chance he gets. So again, I see no difference between them

Though hard as you are trying to divert from that fact.

[anonymous171]

32. lol generalization.

Obama praises Reagan (his ability to motivate the nation and change our trajectory (into the toilet)) ONCE, ClintonCo appears on Faux regularly and now Bill fucking Clinton appears on Rush Limbaugh's show.

[RestoreGore]

68. I believe it was more than once....

And once is even TOO MUCH for any Democrat who knows Reagan's record. And to my knowledge Obama never stated that Reagan changed our trajectory "into the toilet," but if you have those exact words in a quote with a source I would love to read it. You see, I'm not really a Clinton supporter either ( though i am not seething with freeper hatred for her either like I have seen here), so these answers really don't do anything to sway me. I actually postd this because of the blatant hypocrisy I have noticed on the part of many who seem to think he is perfect. The bottomline to this is that to state unequivocably that Republicans voting for him are all the "real deal" and pure sincere Republicans, while those all voting for anyone else are "Limbaugh" drones is a crock simply based on logic.

[TwilightGardener]

39. Well, I see there's no reasoning with you, once you bring up Reagan.

Whom Obama brought up maybe twice in his career, and only said he ran a transformational campaign and had a few accomplishments, by way of historical analysis. Compare discussing a former President to going on that POS's show, to sell your wife--Limbaugh has made a career out of Clinton-hating. David Schuster says something insulting RE Chelsea = bad, must fire him. McCain says something nasty about Hillary AND Chelsea, and Hillary holds him in higher regard than fellow Dem Obama. Limpballs spends 16 years attacking the Clintons relentlessly--go on his show as a reward. The Clintons are dirty people.

[jackson_dem]

21. How do you know she has no crossover appeal?

Did Obamites realize many of his rethug support earlier was anti-Clinton, not pro-Obama?

[anonymous171]

38. You just answered your question.

What kind of republicans would sincerely support Bill CLinton's wife, the man who they fought throughout the 90s. If her support is anti-obama, then that is good. It means they fear us.

[jackson_dem]

41. Neither have magic crossover appeal. The rethugs who voted for Obama will vote for McCain

They switched sides because they want to drag it out. Expect them to return to Obama in May to finish off Hill.

[jconner27]

Bull

More horse crap from the cult of Obama

It seems like a double standard when Obama "wins" Republican states every two bit Obama cheerleader from Randi Rhodes to Keith Olbermann see he has reach despite the fact they know the 12 states he won won't even go to him in the fall. When Hillary get some form of Republican support oh they're enacting their plan.

PS Randi Rhodes sucks

[RestoreGore]

37. Sure seems hypocritical

And honestly, I am not supporting either of them. Maybe that's why I can see it?

[jconner27]

33. Bull

More horse crap from the cult of Obama

It seems like a double standard when Obama "wins" Republican states every two bit Obama cheerleader from Randi Rhodes to Keith Olbermann see he has reach despite the fact they know the 12 states he won won't even go to him in the fall. When Hillary get some form of Republican support oh they're enacting their plan.

PS Randi Rhodes sucks

[frylock]

46. post it a few more times..

for emphasis.

[Qutzupalotl]

50. He's won a lot more than 12 states.

And turnout was higher on the Dem side than the Republican side, even before McCain had the nom, so you do the math.

If Limbaugh is stupid enough to announce his intentions on the air, we ignore him at our peril.

[HereSince1628]

3. Cuz Obamabots Got Good Syntaxz?????????????????????

[eissa]

4. From my experience

in speaking with local republicans (and there are many in my neck of the woods): the ones that wanted a Hillary win were the ones that generally supported McCain and thought she'd be the candidate easiest to beat. The ones who liked Obama were the ones who were disilluisioned with the republican party, and although they had issues with Obama, generally seemed to tolerate him better than Hillary, whom they absolutely hated.

[RestoreGore]

40. yes, I'm sure

[TwilightGardener]

5. You realize that there is a well-publicized, concerted effort to get

Repubs to cross over and vote for Hillary so that they don't have to face Obama in the fall, right? You realize that Laura Ingraham has declared "Operation Stop Obama" on her show and advocated the crossovers, as did Limbaugh ("Operation Chaos")? Right? Or do you really think the Repubs suddenly fell in love with her?

[RestoreGore]

10. I don't think they really fell in love with EITHER of them

Which was my point.

[TwilightGardener]

14. There are Repubs and Indies that do like Obama. My husband is one of them.

[jackson_dem]

26. And there are many that like Hill and that liked Kerry and Gore

Kerry got 6% of the rethug vote, Gore 8%, and Clinton 13%. All three won indies. Bush won 11% of Dems each time and Dole 10%. There is always some crossover voting.

[RestoreGore]

30. Do you have statistics for that?

[TwilightGardener]

43. Well, look back at the exit polling from the start of the race.

[RestoreGore]

70. For what?

The categories that read: sincere Republican or Limbaugh Republican?

[TwilightGardener]

74. Since Limbaugh didn't start his "Operation Chaos"/Hillary campaign until the 2 weeks

before OH and TX, that's where you might see a difference in genuine vs. non-genuine support for both candidate.

[jackson_dem]

25. Exactly. There aren't anymore "Obama republicans" than there were "Kerry republicans"

Obamites are twisting themselves like a pretzel when another Obama myth has been shot down.

[depakid]

17. And do you REALLY think a significant number of Republicans are going to vote for Obama?

Come November, they'll turn out for their new "Maverick" en masse, as they always do.

[TwilightGardener]

19. Not a "significant" number, but he'll get some, and he'll get even more Indies.

[depakid]

47. He'll hurt us less down ticket on state and local candidates and issues

that's about as much of an endorsement as I can muster under the current set of circumstances.

[RestoreGore]

34. I agree because their set up will be complete

As people sat here welcoming them to the fold. Makes me sick.

[Levgreee]

7. Hillary's vote % with Republicans jumped 20-50%(depending on state) once McCain was the nominee, and

when Rush Limbaugh asked his listeners to vote for Hillary to prolong the Democratic race.

With such an immediate jump in Republicans voting for Hillary, there had to be something that changed their minds. What else could there be?

[jackson_dem]

28. So why did Obama win rethugs 70-30 in Wisconsin?

What happened in MS? Racial voting. Which color are most Republicans and how did that color vote in MS?

[anigbrowl]

9. Republicans voting for either candidate out of conviction is good

I don't think it's bad that some of them are clearly voting for Hillary in order to weaken the Democratic party, but nor am I going to pretend to be blind to it. When all the major RW talk radio hosts are encouraging them to do so as an electoral strategy, it's unrealistic to ignore that as a contributing factor.

I'm sure a few were voting for Obama for that reason as well in past contests, but I'd say a pretty insignificant number, balanced by those doing the same for Hillary.

[RestoreGore]

18. Well, there is really no way to really know that is the reason for either now

And I tend to agree they are voting for both to keep it tight. Which is why I don't think Republicans should be allowed to cross overr during a Democratic primary.

[anigbrowl]

You misread my post

I did not say they are voting for both to keep it tight. I think that took in a very small number (maybe < 1%) of GOP crossovers in the early primary, when they were also concerned with selecting their own nominee.

Now that the GOP has a Presidential candidate, you're seeing a big swing towards Hillary. I don't argue that this is because Hillary is inherently more desirable to Republicans (though after her repeatedly talking up John McCain, I have to wonder), but because she is in the #2 position.

[kimmerspixelated]

13. Because, "the math" factor is bound to show up.

She was on a show with Karl Rove on the Faux channel for pete's sake! Mr. Steal Elections!

[RestoreGore]

42. But isn't that the Obama meme? Unifying with them?

[jakem]

15. OMFG. how many times do we need to review the answer to this?!

[RestoreGore]

36. And you clicked on this because?

[jakem]

55. i dont know. i look at car crashes too.

why do i check DU at all?!

[RestoreGore]

59. I believe that

[jakem]

63. yeah. its called human nature.

starting to see it is not so common. like logical arguments.

[ericgtr]

16. The difference is that Obama actually drew them while the right

is making a case that they need to beat the hell out of Hillary in the GE. Make no mistake, they are voting in spite of her, not because they want her to be president.

[jackson_dem]

29. Exactly. They hate her. That is why they voted for Obama heavily from IA to WI

He didn't "draw" anyone.

[RestoreGore]

44. It would seem in part then that he drew off the hatred for her

[anigbrowl]

57. So why have so many of them changed their minds?

Explain the sudden surge in GOP crossover support for Hillary.

[RestoreGore]

72. The media only reporting it now?

And why then have the reports for Republicans crossing over for Obama suddenly stopped?

[Qutzupalotl]

58. Yeah, I don't see anyone.

[phantom power]

20. I think republicans voting for *any* democrat is good news.

[Selatius]

22. It's a false dichotomy. You have to examine the intent of the voter.

Is the person voting for the Dem because this Repub wants another Dem to fail? Or is this Repub voting for a Dem because he or she believes the candidate is better than what the Repubs are offering with McCain?

You can't really answer that question. The truth is that it is likely a bit of both.

[ctaylors6]

49. Or the Rep votes for Dem X because he prefers Dem X to Dem Y and the R primary is irrelevant

The R may still vote for Mccain in GE, but at least the R gets a say as to which D would be better. Of the many Rs here in TX I know who voted in the Dem primary, some of them voted for Dem X because they'd honestly rather have Dem X than Dem Y be President if mccain lost. And from what I remember them telling those votes split much more in favor of Hillary than Obama.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. My impression is that some Republicans see Obama as the agent of change and. . .

they're as tired of Chimpy as we are. In Hillary's case, the Rethugs are merely trying to get the weakest of the two candidates nominated so they can chew her up and spit her out in the GE.

[RestoreGore]

56. Right, That's why they supported his war and voted for him twice

[Johnny__Motown]

48. repugs vote for Obama because they like him, they vote for Clinton because they hate us all

It is all about their intentions

[jmg257]

52. Repubs for Obama are genuine, those for CLinton want an easier GE, and a longer Dem primary

cause of how much damage she will do to the party.

[RestoreGore]

53. Sorry, no sell.

[NastyRiffraff]

60. Simple reason why

See my sig graphic below.

[slick8790]

61. Because they've only started to vote for Clinton in significant numbers

after the republican primary is over. When they could vote for whatever candidate from either party, they preferred to vote for Obama, and also in much smaller numbers, low single digits. But now, out to disrupt and with no reason to vote in their own primary, they pick Hillary 2-1, making up 12% of MS's dem primary voters.

Basically, it's bad because they're only voting for her when they have nothing left to do other than disrupt, stemmed from a concentrated effort from RW radio to prolong our primary season. Obama had none of those factors.

[Froward69]

62. ok

repubes for Obama tend to be upset with our current government as it exists. thus are disenfranchised as to their party. and WANT change.

Rethugs for hillary are stalwarts. Rethuglicans whom want to divide our party, hunt us "godless liberals" to the ends of the earth. win the GE for Mcaint.

in short Republicans who vote for Obama will vote for Obama in the GE

Whereas Republicans who vote for Hillary now, will vote for mcain in the GE.

understand yet???

[RestoreGore]

69. Oh, and you interviewed them all so you know this?.

Amazing.

[Froward69]

75. I pay attention

not so amazing, looking at returns, Observing and tracking the opposition.

without blinders and stalwart support for any one candidate. it is easy to see.

Hillary and her supporters believe anyone who does not support her are somehow delusional, crazy, out of touch.

when in truth they themselves are the ones who are closed off to reality. To Hillary folk returns, smaller states, delagate count. all do not matter.

sad really

truth is; "HILLARY OR THE REPUBLICAN ONLY" does not make a good democrat.

[applegrove]

64. Obama and McCaine are almost tied in numbers of crossparty votes. Hillary

is a little behind them both.

[texshelters]

67. Here's the difference

Republicans vote for Obama becuase they like Obama.

Republicans vote for Clinton because they fear Obama and want to extend the election.

Tex Shelters

[Radical Activist]

71. The differene is who the Repulbican will vote for in November.

Republicans voting for Obama because they think he'll make a great President is very different than Republicans voting for Hillary so that Democrats get stuck with a losing nominee. You know its true.

[DarienComp]

73. Because

the ones that vote for Clinton want her to lose. The ones that vote for Obama want him to win.