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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:33 PM
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WP: Spitzer's Troubles May Hurt Clinton, Monica all Over TV, TRUE WEB PHOTO OF "KRISTEN"?
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 05:50 PM by Dems Will Win

MONICA & KRISTEN

Huffpo believes that might be the 5'5" Brunette Kristen from NY who serviced Spitzer. Huffpo on Kristen pic:

Pagesix.com has this screengrab. It appears older than the others below, as at some point the Emperors Club VIP website stopped using faces and switched to a black background from white ones, as seen in the other profiles below. Unlike all the others Huffington Post cannot vouch for it's legitimacy. The physical description of the former bikini model matches that of Spitzer's February 13 tryst with a Kristen/

Spitzer's Troubles May Hurt Clinton


Echoes of the Past Could Drown Out Campaign Messages

After all, it was Spitzer who, in the view of her advisers, caused the slide that put her where she is today, fighting from behind for the Democratic presidential nomination. A question about his proposal to let illegal immigrants get driver's licenses tripped her up in a debate in late October and ended 10 months of unquestioned dominance in the race for the nomination.

Now, his apparent involvement with a prostitution ring has not only distracted attention from her efforts to take down the front-runner, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), it has also brought back unhelpful memories of her own husband's dalliances in office. There on cable television again were pictures of Bill Clinton hugging Monica S. Lewinsky. And the image of Spitzer's wife standing painfully by his side while he acknowledged unspecified wrongdoing could not help but remind some of Hillary Clinton's own stand-by-her-man moment.

This certainly is not the way Clinton's strategists would have mapped out this week on the campaign trail. They want voters to be thinking about that 3 a.m. phone call in terms of who is ready to handle a crisis in the White House, not in terms of where an unfaithful husband might be catting around town. And, sure enough, the late-night comedians wasted little time linking the Spitzer case to the Clintons. Jay Leno joked Monday night that Spitzer's scandal "means Hillary Clinton is now only the second angriest woman in the state of New York." David Letterman offered a Top 10 List of excuses Spitzer might cite, including the No. 1 excuse: "I thought Bill Clinton legalized this years ago."


Hillary Clinton was asked about the case late Monday and, predictably enough, tried to brush it off without comment. "I obviously send my best wishes to the governor and his family," she told reporters. Still, it is hard to imagine that will be the last time she is asked about it.

Spitzer has been a bad-luck charm for Hillary Clinton up to this point. His proposal on illegal immigrant driver's licenses arguably led to the first time she was truly thrown off stride in this campaign. Fairly or not, her muddled answer at a debate in Philadelphia about whether she supported it played into the narrative promoted by opponents that she is more about calculation than principle. That led to a bad patch for her that lasted all the way through the Iowa caucuses. Her advisers pinpoint that inartful two-minute answer as the moment when the race turned.

Now Spitzer may throw her off stride again at a moment when she needs to keep her momentum going.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR2008031102833.html?hpid=topnews

Spitzer scandal may hurt Clinton campaign


BY GLENN THRUSH |
March 12, 2008

The Clinton-Spitzer relationship has been chilly for months, but the governor's sex scandal is drawing in the former first lady. Spitzer's alleged infidelity with a high-priced call girl is evoking comparisons to the Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky affair, with cable networks rebroadcasting images from the 1990s imbroglio round-the-clock.

And that's put Clinton's campaign on the defensive at a time when it has been regaining its footing against Barack Obama. Asked if Spitzer's fall would hurt Clinton, her spokesman Howard Wolfson offered a two-word reply: "It doesn't."

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-usclin125610538mar12,0,515223.story

Husband's past scandal puts Clinton in tough spot on Spitzer case



Globe Staff / March 12, 2008

WASHINGTON - As New York Governor Eliot Spitzer weighs his political future after being accused of patronizing a high-priced prostitute, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton is faced with an awkward choice: Call for the resignation of a fellow Empire State Democrat and raise comparisons with her own husband's behavior as president, or keep quiet and risk the appearance of condoning Spitzer's alleged offense.

"In the end, this could hurt Senator Clinton - unfairly so," said Jon Delano, a political analyst at Carnegie Mellon University. "There's nothing worse than guilt by association."

A Spitzer resignation in its starkest mathematical terms would deprive Clinton of a coveted superdelegate in the race for the nomination. Normally, the new governor - in this case, Lieutenant Governor David Paterson - would move up and take the superdelegate slot. But because Paterson is a Democratic National Committee member, he is already a superdelegate, and would not get another vote upon becoming governor, according to the DNC.

But as long as Spitzer remains in office, his alleged behavior is an uncomfortable reminder of the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal, political specialists say.

Spitzer faces being charged with a sex crime while Bill Clinton engaged in a consensual relationship. Still, Bill Clinton was facing possible perjury charges, and if Hillary Clinton were to suggest that Spitzer should resign because of his alleged criminal wrongdoing, some observers might detect a double standard.

Still, some analysts say the public is unlikely to draw any parallels with Spitzer.

"People don't need to be reminded of that period - they'll think of it all on their own," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion in Poughkeepsie, N.Y.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/12/husbands_past_scandal_puts_clinton_in_tough_spot_on_spitzer_case/

Eliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton, Potential "Bimbo Eruptions", and Hillary Clinton's Campaign



But public revelations of Bill Clinton's private infidelities largely destroyed his ability to be an effective president during his second term, harmed the Democratic Party, and contributed to Al Gore losing the Presidency to George Bush, leaving us with the nightmare of the past 7 hears.

During the long campaign, Bill and Hillary rarely spend a night in the same city. Does Bill spend all those nights alone? (Obama makes a point of regularly returning to Chicago during the campaign to spend time with his family.)

Hillary will have a hard enough time defeating McCain if she wrests the nomination in a divisive Democratic Convention. Given the Clinton's history, one cannot discount the possibility of another Bill Clinton "bimbo eruption" in the middle of the presidential campaign. What would become of Hillary's chances if, during the campaign, she had to react to such public revelations and once again be forced to decide in public whether stand by her man or leave him?

I don't personally care whether Bill is unfaithful in private or whether he and Hillary have an arrangement that allows it. (And before readers accuse me of misogyny, this is not about gender. A male candidate having to publicly account for his wife's infidelity in the middle of a presidential campaign would be little better.) If Bill is still unfaithful and it becomes public during the campaign, it could that be the last straw that hands the White House to John McCain, prolongs the war in Iraq, extends tax cuts for the wealthy in the middle of a war and recession, and irrevocably hands an insurmountable majority on the Supreme court to conservatives for a generation?

And if Hillary does manage to get elected without a bimbo eruption during the campaign, what happens if there's a bimbo eruption after she becomes president? Would she throw Bill out of the (White) house? Would the nation have to live through the psychodrama of a presidential divorce? Would she yet again stand by her man? Most importantly, would such events cripple a Hillary Clinton presidency the way it crippled Bill Clinton's presidency and keep Hillary from implementing the "real solutions" that she promises?

Can Democrats take that chance?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/eliot-spitzer-bill-clint_b_90984.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:34 PM
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1. After all, it was Spitzer who, in the view of her advisers, caused the slide that put her where she
Well, I thought it was because Obama is black, or the media is sexist.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:49 PM
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3. I don't like Spitzer because he betrayed my local community over casinos
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:13 PM
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5. He did? Can you tell us
more?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:23 PM
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7. It was a sentence lifted from the article.
Read the article it again.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:49 PM
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10. The entire community is against casinos yet Spitzer and Clinton for that matter
support casinos in the Catskills and I felt like I was stabbed in the back by both!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:41 PM
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2. This is Farce...
"Echoes of the Past Could Drown Out Campaign Messages"

Messages of killing hope, racism, lies, hilary's a victim, more lies..damn time something drowned that out.

I'm sorry it has to be Spitzer..maybe he wasn't never that keen on hilary anyway and she made a special trip to get his endorsement..careful what you wish for, hilary.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:09 PM
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4. yup
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:13 PM
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6. They've posted Kristen's myspace site...
http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/nyregion/12cnd-kristen.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Personally, I think this is pretty crappy putting out a noname person like this.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:43 PM
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8. No mention of Vitter
who is still in the Senate?

Vitter used prostitutes the same as Spitzer.

Clinton and Monica were consenting adults. Monica flashed her thong at Bill. Bill paid her nothing.

To me the MSM is hypocritical in not talking about how Spitzer resigned and Vitter didn't. Vitter's still in the Senate.

By saying that this is a Democratic scandal, the MSM is hurting both Clinton and Obama.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:32 PM
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11. You're kidding right? Monica was an intern and Bill was the President
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:32 PM by Dems Will Win
She was a low-level employee and he was the boss in a position of power over her. He was just using power instead of money. Even worse, really, is what Clinton did, it was an abuse of power because she was an intern.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:49 PM
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9. That's fucked up
This may hurt Clinton they say, as they rain troughs of mud on her head. They never had so much fun since Lewinsky, so yippie-ki-yi-yay muthafuckers, it's Party Time in the "news" departments again. Shitweasels.
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