Ferraro: Obama machine tried to fire me from my job, this is the last time O can play the race card

[jackson_dem]

She is being interviewed live on NBC's nightly news and claimed her words were taken out of context. She noted the two Obama folks who attacked her as a racist, including Susan Rice, knew her (and presumably didn't think she was a racist before). She pointed to her having a record (some pols have records) of fighting discrimination for 40 years. She spoke of the Obama machine's efforts against her, including 100 e-mails against her and even the machine (she said "they") calling the firm where they thought she still worked to get her fired. She concluded by saying this is the last time Obama can play the race card. While I personally believe Obama was right on this issue, he has cried wolf far too often in order to swiftboat the Clintons on race (remember he desperately needed a big win in SC after losing in upsets in NH and NV. Swiftboating Hillary in time for a majority black primary was the way to do it.) and the act will get tired soon and may even produce a backlash. He barely cracked the 30's among whites in Ohio, got 21% of white Democrats in Alabama, and is at 29% among Pennsylvania whites. There aren't enough Latinos or Asians in these states for any reliable data to exist for them.

It is scary the Obama machine would try to get someone fired, not from a campaign but from her regular job, for criticizing St. Obama. This suggests what we see among Obamites is a mentality shared by the Obama campaign itself.

[tabatha]

1. The Hillary camp called for Power's resignation.

[jackson_dem]

4. Did they try to get her fired from Harvard?

[melody]

10. They try to get anyone fired who doesn't toe the Hillary line n/t

[rodeodance]

108. Where is your proof??--NOTHING --you have nothing but LIES

[tabatha]

61. What are you talking about.?

They were both campaign workers - and they were both removed from the campaigns.

[jackson_dem]

93. The Obama machine tried to get Ferraro fired from her regular job as well

[hezekkia]

2. Andrew Jackson was a racist too.

eom

[jackson_dem]

12. Just like Jefferson, Lincoln, and FDR

And even JFK appointed some segregationists. What is your point? They lived in different times and need to be judged by the times they lived in.

200 years from now Obama will be viewed as a retrograde homophobe, and perhaps even a racist depending on how history judges his campaign. Only Obama's campaign would tell superdelegates to vote for him because of his color. That has to be the most blatantly racist campaign since his hero Reagan in 1980.

[NDambi]

18. AND Hillary wants the SD to vote for her because she's a white woman

[jackson_dem]

94. When did she say that?

[cbayer]

111. Where in the world do you get that idea?

Clinton wants the SD's to vote for her because she wants the nomination.

It's not nefarious. It's really very simple.

[Qutzupalotl]

22. When did he do that?

"Only Obama's campaign would tell superdelegates to vote for him because of his color."

For that matter, when did he say Reagan was his "hero"? With context, please. :)

[Exilednight]

87. Obama's Reagan comment was taken out of context......

Obama said he changed the trajectory of the country, and I agree with that statement. For better or worse ( and we all know it was for the worse) Reagan took this country into a new direction.

[Chulanowa]

88. I'm curious, too

But I smell a faint waft of purposeful disinfo here.

Sigh. More and more, DU is reminding me of my days trolling right-wing sites. I wish one candidate or the other would bow out at this point, if just so this place can stop smelling like a manure heap at high noon.

[jackson_dem]

96. Yes, Obamites always happen to "not see" the bad stuff about Obama

There were only about six threads on it.

[Chulanowa]

130. Do share, please

I never saw any of them, and you seem to be familiar.

[jackson_dem]

95. Jesse Jackson Jr., his national co-chair, has been busted for doing that

[Bullet1987]

38. Hillary will be known as a powermad wannabe...

[JackORoses]

58. so you feel at home with racists? I've heard all I need to hear.

Jackson sucked ass as a President.
Worst abuser of Executive Authority until W.

[jackson_dem]

97. I agree with Barack Obama

"We are the party of Jackson, who took the White House back for the people."

Obama also praised Jefferson and FDR in that same speech--at the Jefferson-Jackson day dinner....

So you hate FDR? It is funny how the chic crowd shuns Jefferson, Jackson, and Washington, is ambivalent toward Lincoln but loves pro-segregation FDR who had his own trail of tears with Japanese-Americans. If there were consistency I would respect it. I judge history by a consistent standard. It is a shame much of history is being perverted by some who are judging it based on what is in vogue

[Danger Mouse]

84. the 'trail of tears' was disgustingly unforgivable.

[jackson_dem]

99. Yes, just like the chic favorite president of the same anti-AJ, TJ, GW crowd: FDR

FDR had his own trail of tears but the historical revisionists love FDR while assailing Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, and sometimes even Lincoln (who favored ethnic cleansing of blacks). It is intellectually dishonest. You have to judge history by one standard.

[Danger Mouse]

105. It was a severe black mark on an otherwise marvelous record for FDR.

Which is why I hesitate to call him my favorite president.

[jackson_dem]

115. You are consistent and I respect that

My annoyance is with the inconsistent folks who are perverting history via revising it to fit what is in vogue at the moment. I believe folks should be judged by the time they live in. Let's face it, in the future both Obama and Clinton will be seem as backwards for opposing equal rights for GLBT people just as those who wanted separate but "equal" facilities for blacks correctly are seen today. They may also been seen as backwards for living in luxury while millions suffer in poverty. Who knows how society will evolve in 100 or 200 years, although the GLBT thing seems to be a relatively safe prediction.

[skipos]

13. OT: but I think Jackson would be a Republican

if he was alive today. He certainly had a lot of Bush-like qualities, and was one of the biggest white supremacists to ever to win the Presidency.

[Exilednight]

91. I agree, he would have been a repug. He was a uniformed military man while serving ......

as Governor of Florida.

[jackson_dem]

101. Would Jefferson, a racist former governor of Virginia, have been a rethug too?

You think he would have endorsed Allen? We all know how often rethugs risk their political careers to fight the economic elite on behalf of the people. :eyes: I don't know you but it is clear most of the leftist critics of Jackson, Jefferson, and Washington oppose them simply because it is chic in progressive circles. The same "rules" aren't applied to the hero FDR.

It is pointless to speculate which party a figure from the past would be in because the issues change as times change. The fundamental thread that remains is the battle between the special interests who represent the interests of the elite and the forces of social justice. The latter has been the common theme of our party from Jefferson straight to the present.

[melody]

3. C'mon now -- what she said was obnoxious and racist

I'm not a big Obama person. I was an Edwards person. I only (prior to this) preferred Obama by a hair,
but dear lord, the viciousness and divisiveness coming out of her camp is astounding.

[Carrieyazel]

90. I don't agree with you. This isn't like the obnoxious racist commentary that we've heard before.

I agree that Hillary's campaign has been divisive, but really, do you believe that is was a coordinated comment?

[goclark]

114. It was a "wink,wink" comment IMO

Pillary was taking so much heat from her negative comments, her BFF gave her the "wink,wink" and she took over.

Haven't you seen two Paris Hilton look alikes figure out how to be catty?

Well, there you go Pillary and Howdy Doody, her little puppet.

[melody]

126. No, I don't, but it appears that it was ... that's the problem n/t

[skipos]

5. She really is awful

but she
just
can't
stop
saying dumb shit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Uh huh.

So the Obama camp was right when they were pointing out racism from the Clinton camp, but they shouldn't have said nothing. It's there fault.

:eyes:

[anonymous171]

7. Criticism is one thing. Belittling all his accomplishments as a result of his race is another.

[Liberal Veteran]

55. Exactly, given the overt and covert racism, he has accomplished more than Ferraro ever did and....

...he did so IN SPITE OF his skin color....not because of it.

[tekisui]

8. The Clinton Machine got someone fired and someone suspended

for criticising Hillary.

Ferraro may not be a racist, she just makes racist comments, defends those comments, and expands those comments. All the while enjoying Hillary's support.

Keep talking Ferraro, keep digging.

[jackson_dem]

16. Did they get fired from their livelihood?

The last I checked Power still works at Harvard.

[Hepburn]

74. So....are you saying that Ferraro's livelihood was...

...working for the Clinton campaign????

[jackson_dem]

103. No. The Obama machine tried to get her fired from her regular job too...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

75. last I checked, Ferraro is a racist, stupid, oboxious

POS.

[davidinalameda]

9. and let's not forget that the Hillary folks got that one dude fired from

MSNBC or suspended or whatever

[jackson_dem]

19. Shuster didn't get fired

Calling a former politician's employer because she criticized you and trying to get her fired is positively Nixonian.

[Liberal Veteran]

26. No, he apologized and was suspended and her Highness Hillary said "NOT GOOD ENOUGH!"

Fuck her. I'm starting to believe everything that was said about her in the 90's short of Vince Foster is true.

[emilyg]

109. You do know he was not fired.

[gerrilea]

42. That dude was suspended for making remarks about Hillary's daughter!

Aren't the children of candidates off limits, as per the "MSM"...?

[davidinalameda]

80. if I remember correctly

he said something about Hillary pimping out Chelsea

and Chelsea is an adult, not a child

[gerrilea]

83. Yes you are right, but remember Cheney's daughter and the "outrage"

because Kerry said she was a lesbian? How was his remark any different? It's just the people around here are so forgetful...

[davidinalameda]

100. I thought the Cheney outrage was about as phony as Clinton's

or vice versa

[Medusa]

117. The "child" is 28

time she and Hill's supporters grow up,

[jackson_dem]

104. Has he been fired?

[Changenow]

11. Will you support Clinton

if she runs as an independent?

[Mags]

52. yes,yes,yes I wish she would

[juajen]

112. Me, too.

[jackson_dem]

106. Ooohh...the Obama machine takes loyalty oaths now. Just like the rethugs

I have answered this numerous times: I will support the Democratic nominee. I vote straight-ticket Dem.

[JVS]

14. WTF is she trying to do, win the Nathan Bedford Forrest Award for Race-baiting?

[Major Hogwash]

17. Hahahahahaha!

Good one!

[NDambi]

21. Lmao!!!

[JVS]

50. Oh wait, I think we have a new contender over here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5045989&mesg_id=5046883

[Danger Mouse]

86. deleted message. what'd it say?

pm?

[ProSense]

15. “willful ignorance”

…it’s not surprising that she is wrapping herself in the mantle of martyrdom and falling on the sword of her own making instead of acknowledging the errors of her statement. Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite:

I think of all the ways this comment is offensive and I’m having a hard time choosing between “staggering ignorance of U.S. history and current culture” and the insightful Catholic theological category for human sin, “willful ignorance.” I lean toward the sin concept, because I believe this is a sinful statement on a number of key levels. But I’m not going to ignore historical and cultural ignorance either, as I believe it is the way forward for the country beyond the Ferraros and their monovision.

The New York Times has reported the Justice Department statistic that “an estimated 12 percent of African-American men ages 20-34 are in jail or prison…The proportion of young black men who are incarcerated has been rising in recent years, and this is the highest rate every measured.” Just for comparison, note that 1.6 percent of white men in the same age group are incarcerated.

So, let’s see, to follow Ms.Ferraro’s logic, the other 88% of African American men are being promoted to high public office? Facts dictate otherwise. There are more African American men now in prison than in college and the employment rate for African American men has dropped to just over 50%. It’s nigh on to impossible to get a job in this economy anyway, let alone when you have a prison record. Incarceration rates, unemployment and poverty are linked.

The reason I believe this statement by Ms. Ferraro is an example of the sin of “willful ignorance” is that a person would have to will themselves to actively exclude evidence fully available in every paper, blog, and 24-hour newscycle to come to the conclusion that it’s a “lucky” break for Senator Obama that he was not born a white man.

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[angie_love]

20. Wow what an evil, hateful woman. She needs a drink.

:beer:

[elehhhhna]

69. No, it sounds like she needs less drink, imo.

[jmg257]

23. I heard it - "in context" she was even worse. But whatever, "the race card" will be played -wisely-

by Obama whenever someone stupidly (or maliciously) tries to make "race" THE issue.

And he should - especially when those attacking him try to make race AND fear THE issue ('see - he is attacking me - a WHITE woman')

[Freida5]

24. The Obama camp has deceptively used race throughout campaign.

[Liberal Veteran]

28. Damn that black man for being black and forcing the opposition to make racially charged comments!

How dare he force Bill Clinton to compare Obama's victories to Jesse Jackson's or force that racist Ferraro to claim he's only where he is because of some kind of white guilt.

[angie_love]

48. LOL

:rofl:. Attack them with wit, b/c they have none.

[Armstead]

25. Couldn't she just admit that she mispoke and leave it at that?

Jeezum. We all misspeak. She keeps making it worse by spinning her tires.

[global1]

37. I Almost Think That What Has Happened To Farraro Is What The HRC.....

campaign wanted to happen to her. It is almost like they baited the Obama camp to walk into this so they can continue now to slam him. I don't have it in front of me - but I heard Farraro's resignation statement - and this is what I took out of it.

[Liberal Veteran]

41. As slimy and low rent as the Clintons are, nothing would surprise me.

Hillary has all the ethics and morals of a con artist without any of their good qualities.

[cbayer]

118. Can't we just admit that she mispoke and leave it at that?

This horse has been beaten to death.

[roguevalley]

131. mispoke about five times ...

[cbayer]

132. so did I today

Here in this very forum.

And I had to spend some time cleaning up my mess.

But I hope no one is still beating me up about it tomorrow.

[cali]

27. Wow. Just when I think you can't sink any lower.... you do.

Just when I think you can't post anything more disingenuous... you do.

And where's the fucking evidence that the Obama campaign tried to get her fired from Harvard? If it's just something out of Gerry's filthy race baiting mouth, that's not evidence.

[depakid]

29. Welcome to the world of politics!

It's a dirty game... Ferraro knows that, and ought to stop her whinging.

[washingdem]

30. LOL uh the obama campaign has fired people for less. get a clue.

[Liberal Veteran]

32. No, see "monster" is now a sexist term, didn't you get the Clinton memo?

[bhikkhu]

102. Last week's jobs report is all the proof we need. :)

[Liberal Veteran]

She reminds me of Miss Millie from the Color Purple....

In one breath saying and doing obviously racist things and then in the next screaming, "I've always been good to you people!!!"

[Catherina]

120. It came across the same way to me

It's come from her campaign and some of the worst supporters here.

I posted the "Hellllll NO" scene where Miz Millie asks Sophia "Would you like to be my maid?" yesterday.

It didn't go over too well. I'm glad most people in the party get it though.

Here's the Hell No scene. I love Sophia in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ha7TK13_0

[Upton]

31. Clinton supporters can no longer recognize racism

or they refuse to. Either one is wrong and doesn't belong in the Democratic party.

[cbayer]

119. Such broad brush statements without any basis in fact are irresponsible.

Clinton is not a racist. Her supporters are not racists.

[Upton]

127. You're right, I should have said "some" Clinton supporters

with that addition, I stand by my statement. On the other hand, when you state, "Clinton is not a racist. Her supporters are not racists." Is that not broad brush in itself?

[cbayer]

128. I appreciate that and thank you.

Yes it is broad brush. I should have said "Clinton is not a racist. The vast majority of her supporters are not racists."

[BumRushDaShow]

33. What happened to a pile of other states?

The below statement is nonsense:

He barely cracked the 30's among whites in Ohio, got 21% of white Democrats in Alabama, and is at 29% among Pennsylvania whites. There aren't enough Latinos or Asians in these states for any reliable data to exist for them.

How do you explain these states that Obama won?

Wyoming - 61% (0.9% Black population)
Idaho - 80% (0.7% Black population)
Utah - 57% (1% Black population)
Vermont - 59% (0.7% Black population)
Maine - 59% (0.8% Black population)
North Dakota - 61% (0.8% Black population)

<crickets>

[jackson_dem]

110. Nice edit. Why didn't you include the entire quote?

If the latest results are a trend he is in trouble.

Besides, if you wanted an honest look at his overall performance you would include all the states. He has lost the white vote nationally, just as he has lost the Latino, Asian, GLBT, and Jewish votes. You can always cherry pick a few states.

[Catherina]

34. I just read that Ferraro is the hero of the hour over at Stormfront

and other White supremacist sites. They agree about the victimization of Whites in this society :wow:

[mtnsnake]

35. In due course, Obama's sleazy tactics are all gonna backfire and come back to kick him in the ass

Even in this one instance alone, it looks like he has woken up a sleeping giant. I think Saint Obama has once again completely underestimated the passion of a woman...in this case, Geraldine Ferraro.

If Obama keeps fucking up like this, I dont know if he'll even last until the PA primary.

[bowens43]

40. Oh the irony!!!

are all hillary supporters on drugs or something?

[Liberal Veteran]

43. Explain how Obama "forced" Ferraro to make her racist commentary?

[mtnsnake]

44. That's weird. I dont remember ever saying Obama forced Ferraro to say anything

so if you think that's what happened then go find out on your own.

[Liberal Veteran]

47. So let's see if I understand your logic.

Some racist Hillary supporter makes a comment that basically says Obama is only in this race because he's black.

Obama responds to a question about her comment by saying that her comment was unfortunate and divisive.

And this is all Obama's fault?

What world do you live on?

[mtnsnake]

54. How much logic does it take to say I never said anything like you claimed?

Maybe you should try again with someone who might buy your feeble spin more than I will.

[Liberal Veteran]

57. Hey, you are the one who accused Obama of sleazy tactics and for a Hilbot....

...that's the height of hypocrisy.

[mtnsnake]

59. That's right and then you tried to change it into something I never said.

[Liberal Veteran]

63. Then by all means, explain yourself instead of blaming Obama for Ferraro's screw up.

[mtnsnake]

65. I didnt blame Obama for what Ferraro said. I challenge you to show me where I said that.

Reading comp isnt one of your strong points, is it.

[Liberal Veteran]

73. No, but you do seem to be blaming him for her being called to account.

Where your righteous indignation when Clinton was CLEARLY in a rage about the "pimping" comment.

[anigbrowl]

36. Frankly, at this point I don't believe her - or you

If Obama's campaign crossed the line into legal harassment, she can sue them for all I care.

[bowens43]

39. HIllary should have fired her as soon as she made the stupid, racist comment.

any shred of integrity that hillary has left is now gone.

[mtnsnake]

45. Do all you Obama puppets think that Hillary was in the same room with her when she said it???

Jesus H Christ...NOBODY gets fired for any comments until all the details are known and THAT TAKES SOME TIME. Wake the fuck up!

[Liberal Veteran]

49. That funny...I heard the comments in all their glory about 100 times by casually listening to news

How many more details do you need than an actual 5 minute video of her making the comment?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Bullseye-Hillary kept Ferraro around as long as possible to get the message out. As Chimpy would say

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! These people make me ill.

[Liberal Veteran]

53. What's really disgusting is the Hilbots trying to blame this on Obama.

As if he had his hand up Ferraro's ass and was making her say loathsome things.

[mtnsnake]

56. You are one sick puppy

As if he had his hand up Ferraro's ass and was making her say loathsome things

Seek some help pal ASAP.

[Liberal Veteran]

60. ROTFLMAO! Man....what is it with Hilbots and strategic transference of their own shortcomings?

Having Jedi mind tricks you do not.

[NMMatt]

81. I don't believe it is accomplishing much of anything

They certainly are playing Rovian with this, sure. It is also true that there are many whites in PA who probably react positively to this kind of thing. The best description of PA I've ever heard is that it is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama inbetween (I think it was Carville who said this). However, anyone who is currently feeling sympathy for Ferraro over this is almost certainly someone who would go into a voting booth and be unable to cast a vote for Obama regardless. Obama's appalachian vote, after all, has been consistently low even in VA and MD. These weren't voters who were thinking of voting for Obama, then all of a sudden because of Ferraro, became resentful of him being black. They likely had these feeling all along and never would have voted for him anyway.

The critical difference in Rove playing the racist card and this is that the typical approach is to appeal to racists by smearing a white candidate with some kind of racist association (think McCain in South Carolina). This will only backfire on the Clintons by alienating the African American vote further and likely alienating other ethnicities who are turned off by their tactics.

[cbayer]

123. That's it. I'm done with you. nt.

[NMMatt]

46. Ferraro is a racist, pure and simple, and Obama called her on it

Good for him. It's also no secret that there are many racists in Ohio and Alabama. Many of those people probably share your views and wouldn't vote for Obama if their lives depended on it. If Obama fails to win the General Election because of the racist vote, fine, at least many of these people are being shown for who they are. However, the majority of Americans are not like the Ferraros, jackson_dems, and many of the white residents of Alabama and and Ohio.

But this response to Ferraro is a line drawn in the sand for Republicans. They are welcome to trot out their racist smears, their disrespectful trivializing racism and its legacy and all this other crap that gets euphemized as "white ethnic resentment" but they will be called on it for what it is.

[Mooney]

62. Ferraro's not a racist

But what she said was really ill-advised, and the way she handled it was incredibly fucking stupid.

[Liberal Veteran]

64. But she said the same thing in the 80's about Jesse Jackson.

Once is unfortunate....twice is certainly indicative of some underlying issue.

[NMMatt]

68. Exactly -nt

[Mooney]

71. One can be ignorant and say stupid, racially insensitive shit

without actually crossing the line into full-blown racism. Nothing in Ferraro's past leads me to believe that she wouldn't hire blacks or that she would institute policies that are in any way discriminatory. There's just nothing in her long history to suggest that. So in that sense I don't think she's racist.

We have to define what the term "racist" (and for that matter "sexist") actually mean, because we're really throwing them around with impunity here, and I don't think it's accurate.

For the record, I don't think that HRC or anyone involved in her campaign is actually racist, but I think they don't mind having surrogates pick that scab if it suits their purposes. It's more Machiavellian than racist.

[Liberal Veteran]

77. Clearly that is true that one can be unintentially insensitive...however,

...the essential point of what Ferraro said was that he owes his status as frontrunner to being a black man.

It is condescending in the extreme to belittle the accomplishment of rising to prominence on his own and speaks to an attitude that somehow he was getting a free pass because of the color of his skin as though it were some affirmative action plan.

That isn't just insensitive, it's damned insulting and smacks of racism.

[Mooney]

82. Again, I'm not defending her comments.

I'm just saying you have to look at the whole picture of who she is and what she's done over the years. She's been in a position where she could have helped to institute racist policies and legislation, and she hasn't done it, and if she had then that, to me, would really constitute being racist. I see it as a question of what one can do on an institutional level to actively hold people back on the basis of their ethnicity. Her remarks were fucking idiotic, but I don't see anything in them to suggest that she believes that blacks are unqualified to be president. If she were saying that, that blacks are unqualified to be president, then I would say for sure that she's racist. But I don't see her doing that.

It may be that I give people the benefit of the doubt too much. She also reminds me of a lot of people I've grown up around here in NYC who will say the most ignorant, rock-stupid shit about people of other ethnicities, but who at the end of the day aren't going to actively advocate for holding anyone back. It's more about fear and ignorance than maliciousness.

[Liberal Veteran]

92. Would you agree that there is a spectrum of racism.

One need not be a grand dragon of the KKK to be a racist. One can be prejudiced against a group of people without necessarily actively trying to act on that prejudice.

By the same token, there is a spectrum of homophobia that goes from active violence all the way to "How many gay guys can you fit on a barstool?".

[Mooney]

125. Of course.

But again, I don't know her personally, and when you look at the whole of her record, there's just not much there to suggest that she favors or promotes institutionalized racism.

Again, I'm not defending what she said, but I don't think she should be excommunicated from the progressive community for saying something really ignorant and stupid. She's done a lot of good too, over a long period of time, and I don't think we should disregard that because of what she said.

[NMMatt]

67. Sure she is

She has a history of saying these kinds of things. What she said is nearly exactly the same thing that Rush said about Donovan McNabb. McNabb is a talented quarterback. Most normal people see that first and foremost, but racists see him as black first and foremost and it bothers them enough that they have to find a way to discredit his success by attributing it to "reverse racism."

The same is true of Ferraro. She cannot see Obama as a talented politician, rather, she can only see him through his race. She said nearly the exact same thing about Jesse Jackson (he wouldn't be a candidate if he wasn't black), so this isn't some kind of one time ill-advised statement, but obviously her being unable to keep her private racist thoughts in check. Her current indignation only goes to prove my further.

She obviously has a pattern of difficulty accepting a black candidate for president and feels the need to publically discredit them based on their race.

[Mooney]

76. I'm not defending her comments.

I repeat, what she said was really fucking stupid and ignorant. But there's nothing in her decades-long career to suggest that she's a racist. Again, you have to look at what she's done over the course of her career. I just don't see anything there to suggest that she favors instituting racist policies.

As far as her comments and how she feels personally, that's another matter entirely. But we can go by two instances which are separated by 20 years and draw conclusions from that, or we can look at what she's done over the course of her career. I mean, Strom Thurmond didn't publicly use the n-word (that I know of) for the last couple of decades of his life, but if you look at his actions in politics, there's no denying that the man was a racist.

[NMMatt]

85. True there are degrees and forms of racism

She may not even necessarily dislike blacks, but she obviously has a problem with them running for high office. Hers is probably the kind of racism that sees an ethnicity heirarchy or compartmentalizes people based on the melonin content of their skin cells. She is likely not as overtly hostile to black people as Thrumond was, I would agree with that, but that's really setting a ridiculously low bar for racism.

[Mooney]

122. I was just trying to give a really clear example.

My threshold for what constitutes a racist is certainly higher than Strom Thurmond. I was just trying to avoid an example with too much gray area. I guess I'm also just uncomfortable lobbing the accusation of racism at people I don't know personally or whose record I'm not intimately familiar with.

[cbayer]

124. I totally agree with you.

Very poor choice of words, even if you believe that she was making a valid point.

But it being used to call Clinton and Clinton supporters racists is also incredibly fucking stupid.

[DearAbby]

66. Why on earth are they putting a microphone in front of this woman

It's like driving by an accident...we're lookie loos, Its a horrible sight, yet we cant seem to stop looking at it. The woman is digging a hole further and further with each interview.

I wonder about her sanity. This is not helping Clinton campaign at all, and actually helping Obama's...The GOP are learning that they can not use the race card to attack. It's not going to work. Thanks Hillary, you did us a favor.

But it's ugly aint it?

[NMMatt]

70. She's freaking out because she has let the cat out of the bag

She probably is in denial of her own racism, which is why she's become so indignant about it. You are right, though. It's like watching a train wreck.

[Liberal Veteran]

79. IOW, the rage of Caliban at seeing his own face in the glass?

That's a pretty good explanation for her continued cluelessness.

[Dinger]

72. K & R (nt)

[Barack_America]

78. Her remarks were undeniably racist.

Her "explanation" of the comments, that she wasn't speaking to experiences, just doesn't add up. If she weren't talking about experience (and that African Americans can apparently get further with less), then why did she add that he wouldn't be where he was if he were a "woman (of any colour)"? Because the fact is, that we DO have a woman where he is now. Just one presumable with more "experience".

And I don't believe this "they" bullshit. Who tried to get you "fired", Geraldine?

[Danger Mouse]

89. she just won't stop, will she?

:puke:

[rodeodance]

113. Why should she? She is not about to be bullied by the obamacamp!

[Raine]

98. Ferraro is stupid...

stupid for reminding people how a woman couldn't even make it into office to be veep. Yeah she is really helping Hillary by sticking her face out there :rofl: keep on going Gerry and help us get Obama the nomination!

[Occam Bandage]

107. "While I personally believe Obama was right on this issue." But yet

that won't stop you from starting threads bashing him for "playing the race card," right?

[pdxmom]

116. I don't believe for one second that the Obama "machine" tried to get her fired.

You don't think they would know where she worked? And I'll bet you that she got well over 100 emails. Hell, I saw an email address for her here on DU. I don't believe her for one nanosecond. She's proven herself to be untrustworthy.

[workinclasszero]

121. The only machine on the dem side is the dirty rotten low-down racist Clinton machine

Obama has the peoples movement behind him!

[annie1]

129. This i'll agree with with ferraro. good for her.