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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:59 PM
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This Deserves Its Own Thread... On The 40th Anniversary...
Please note the name of the artist in the lower right-hand corner.



Thank you Norman... I had no idea.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:02 PM
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1. I had never seen that image until now.
Damn, that is pretty stout.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:22 PM
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2. Me Neither, Funny That...
This country, or elements in it, have used NR's paintings to (sorry) paint a particular image of America.

I have seen dozens of of his works over the years, but it wasn't till a post here last night that I saw this one.

Another reason to love DU.

:shrug:


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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:36 PM
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4. Another good point.
I have spent a good bit of time in the business of Image Licensing.

And until now, I thought I had seen every image that the Estate held. But I suppose I have just seen the ones up for License.

I'll be damned.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:59 PM
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28. You And I, Are Gonna Have Cocktails Someday...
I'm almost out of debt, I'm thinkin May...

:hi:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:40 AM
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34. Fuck it, Man....
We will come to Sacremonious and I will buy.

I am moving to NYC, and would hate to miss an opportunity to share one with you, WillyT.

Tiburon...

Upper West Side...

Bay...

Hudson....

WTH?

Tom
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:26 PM
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11. He was a New Yorker and when he tried small-town life he didn't like it.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:26 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
He felt everyone was conservative and in everyone's business. (His wife was an alcoholic who was institutionalized, and the gossip mill disgusted him.)

When Shirley Jackson's THE LOTTERY came out he gave people copies of it as a perfect summation of the small town mentality.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:05 PM
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40. NR was a lifelong hater of descrimination. His painting of the little
girl going into the segregated school surrounded by federal marshalls is amazing. He's an amazingly diverse artist.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:27 PM
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3. It is 40 yrs? RIP. We've come a ways, got a long ways left to go.
We could return there, or stay there, so easily.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:37 PM
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5. I had no idea.
Thanks, WillyT, for posting this.

I always saw Norman Rockwell as someone who painted an America that didn't truly exist.

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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:23 PM
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9. He gave some great interviews in the 1970s about how he almost regretted painting the four freedoms
He said that in retrospect, it seemed smug.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:54 AM
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32. At the time, though, it was "right on." Funny how that is, some times. NT
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:48 PM
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6. Norman did some beautiful civil rights works. He was known for them during that timeframe
He was a thoughtful commentator on the "current" scene:






.... in his later years, Rockwell began receiving more attention as a painter when he chose more serious subjects such as the series on racism for Look magazine.<8> One example of this more serious work is The Problem We All Live With, which dealt with the issue of school integration. The painting depicts a young African American girl, Ruby Bridges, flanked by white federal marshals, walking to school past a wall defaced by racist graffiti.

In 1999, New Yorker art critic Peter Schjeldahl said of Rockwell in ArtNews: “Rockwell is terrific. It’s become too tedious to pretend he isn’t.”<5>

Rockwell's work was exhibited at the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in 2001.<9> Rockwell's Breaking Home Ties sold for $15.4 million at a 2006 Sotheby’s auction.<5> In 2008, a twelve-city U.S. tour of Rockwell's works is scheduled.<1>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Rockwell
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:27 PM
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12. Thanks.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:36 PM
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19. These are from his LOOK magazine period. The Saturday Evening Post was very RW
When he stopped working with the SEP in the early 1960s he started working for LOOK and revealing his very liberal self that had been submerged all those years doing bucolic SEP stuff.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:52 AM
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31. He did a pic of two dying US servicemembers in VNam, one black, one white,
blood comingling...LOOK refused to publish it--they got a bit chickenshit. But they did put a lot of his stuff out there.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:52 PM
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24. Yes He Was.. And I Love Ya For This...


:loveya:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:14 PM
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41. those kids are going to have so much fun. it takes a lifetime of
learning to hate.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:19 PM
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7. It's So Well Done... Those Shadows, They Say So Much...
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:41 PM by WillyT
:cry:

And the imagining of the final moments...

:evilfrown:

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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:31 PM
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17. yes they do.
Ominous. Thank you for this.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:22 PM
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8. Rockwell was a big liberal
He was the first person to try to turn in a cover painting to the (very backward, RW and rurally oriented) Saturday Evening Post that depicted a black person who was not a servant or a hobo.

(He was told that people were not ready for that sort of thing)

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:14 PM
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43. Thanks for the information.
I had judged him by his Saturday Evening Post paintings.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:25 PM
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10. Wow, who knew? I've never seen this before, i've only seen his Americana stuff.
how many people will never see this and should?

Thanks for sharing that Willy.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:29 PM
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15. Hey You.. And Even His Americana Stuff Takes On Greater Meaning, No ???


:shrug:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:30 PM
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16. honestly Willy i've never seen that one either.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:28 PM
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13. Wow! I've never seen this one before. n/t
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:28 PM
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14. Wow. I didn't know about this body of work
Thanks for sharing, and starting this thread. Beautiful art.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:31 PM
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18. Thank you...
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:37 PM
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20. Wait... DOH!
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:40 PM by CitizenLeft
Is this Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney? :banghead:

I didn't get that until I saved the graphic for my files and I saw "mississippi" in the .jpg title.

All the more impressive.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:55 PM
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26. Wow. Just wow.
A newfound pride in my heart for Mr. Rockwell.

NGU. NGU.


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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:03 AM
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29. Yes... It Is...
:cry:

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:37 PM
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21. What? I've never seen that before.
Shocking, beautiful, and poignant.

Damn.

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, WillyT.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:38 PM
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22. Hey All... I'd Like To Give A Shout-Out To The DUer That Turned Me On To This...
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:51 AM
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35. Kick for the morning crowd.
Your Welcome WillyT. It's a Good thread.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:40 PM
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23. And that's the site where Reagan kicked off his campaign, right?
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:54 AM
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33. I believe so.
And he made much of how he admired "state's rights". So much for St. Ronnie. The son-of-a-bitch.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:53 PM
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25. Wouldn't that be 44 years ago? In 1964?
Nevertheless, that's one amazing and sad painting.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:55 AM
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36. You're Right...
Thanks...

I'm at the age where I tend to think in decades.

44 years.

:hi:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:56 PM
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27. Wow, very powerful
Thanks for posting. I have never seen this either.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:18 AM
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30. Thank you WillyT, and OnceUponATime...

for bringing this to our attention. I never saw this one either.


It certainly DID deserve it's own thread ... it's a very stunning and poignant representation. I, too, had never seen this one.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:04 AM
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37. Mourning Kick...
:kick:
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:08 AM
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38. Norman Rockwell has some very poignant, insightful pieces on race relations
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 08:09 AM by EffieBlack
The Problem We All Live with is my favorite:

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:58 AM
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39. K&R
:patriot:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:57 PM
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42. One Last Kick From Me...
:kick:

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