to his credit, Obama did remove McClurkin as soon as it was apparently hurtful.

[IndianaJones]

That was an honorable move. Props to Obama.

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Some people will accept no less than a pound of flesh.

I was one of those people who almost washed my hands of Obama, but quite honestly, I think he has more than made up for the McClurkin fiasco.

[JoFerret]

15. He has made progress

But we need to keep his feet to the fire on this one.

[Liberal Veteran]

17. Why? He certainly has made it clear he doesn't agree with McClurkin...

...and has given more speeches against homophobia and speeches advocating equality for gay Americans than the wife of the man who signed DOMA.

And he has given no indication that he intends to repeat that unfortunate fiasco, so why keep hammering at it?

[dsc]

2. No he didn't

He was booked for one event, he performed that one event, he wasn't fired or forced to resign.

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Seems to me that not inviting him back is a repudiation in and of itself.

In addition to making several speeches regarding how wrong homophobia is and publicly stating that he strongly disagree with McClurkin's views on gays.


"I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity and rights of all other citizens. And so I strongly disagree with Rev. McClurkin's views and will continue to fight for these rights as president of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division," Obama said.

Obama repeatedly has spoken out against homophobia in the black community and on several occasions to large church congregations.

[dsc]

4. Or it could be, as one of his campaign higher ups stated,

that they got what they needed from the event.

[IndianaJones]

5. well, there is that little poll conducted just a month earlier in SC that not many talk about. nt.

[Liberal Veteran]

8. Feel free to provide evidence of that, otherwise it's just cynicism.

He's certainly said more about gay equality and denouncing homophobia than Ms. Clinton has and that's to his credit.

[dsc]

10. that statement has been provided here on several occassions

no I won't do your homework for you.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. I see. So someone suggested that and you find it to be believable, therefore...

...it must be true?

[jackson_dem]

23. Obama's numbers in SC didn't start to move until his bigotry gospel tour...

[Yes We Did]

6. So he had him back? Is that it? I must have missed that.

[dsc]

7. I didn't say that

but if I hire someone to paint my house, he does it, and then I pay him and don't hire him to wash my windows did I fire him?

[Liberal Veteran]

9. If he was a handyman and you chose to not have him do any more work on your house...

...that's a pretty good indication that one is not on the "will rehire" list.

[dsc]

13. or it might mean

I only needed my house painted. Only one state had an electorate that had a big gospel music presence and that is the one he hired McClurkin for.

[Liberal Veteran]

18. That's certainly one hypothesis, but Obama had no reason to stand up in Georgia against homophobia..

....in a black church and denounce homophobia within the black community when also has a large black Christian community and isn't exactly known for being a bastion of gay equality.

For someone that has a cross on your rainbow flag, you don't seem to keen on seeing the best in people or forgiveness.

[DURHAM D]

11. I think the OP is playing with you. eom

[Iceburg]

20. Further, he never renounced or rejected McClurkin, nor made any apology/nt

[Yes We Did]

24. He did too. Knock it off already. Also... He is the ONLY candidate

that wants to get rid of don't ask don't tell & the Defense of Marriage Act.

So, what's more important? "words" or "actions"

Isn't that what you guys say... "just words"

Hillary isn't going to do away with them. Obama is.

[Liberal Veteran]

29. Yep...Hillary says she wants to "leave it up to the states" which means...

...she'll throw us under the bus so fast we won't even see it coming.

The Clinton's have RARELY taken a principled stand.

They folded on welfare reform.

They folded on human rights in China.

They folded on workers rights with NAFTA.

They folded on Don't Ask Don't Tell.

They folded on their own Surgeon General because she made a logical remark about masturbation (which is infinitely better than teen pregnancy and STDs).

They folded on DOMA. Clinton didn't have to sign it.

And they want me to believe in them again?

[Skip Intro]

12. "as soon as it was apparently hurtful" - ? ROFL!

Yeah, a real man of principles there.

[Liberal Veteran]

19. You mean like Clinton backtracking on gushing over NAFTA as soon as she realized it was hurtful?

:eyes:

[Skip Intro]

26. When pressed, Obamabots generally try to deflect attention toward something else.

seems to be a pattern

[Liberal Veteran]

30. Just pointing out that when it comes to principles, the Clintons haven't exactly be paragons.

And let's not forget Hillary is in bed with the insurance companies now.

[Liberal Veteran]

21. Strangely though, Obama wants to repeal DOMA, while Clinton says it's a "states issue".

Are you sure you picked the right candidate?

[Skip Intro]

25. Obama is a pandering, calculating politician being sold to the gullible as a savior.

Given the two choices - I'm sure I didn't pick the wrong candidate.

Are you?

[Liberal Veteran]

28. And Hillary is being sold as some great politician with vast experience...

...when obviously she has inflated her resume.

I don't trust Hillary. I find here cold, calculating, and addicted to power and unable to admit mistakes.

[Skip Intro]

31. I'll refer you to the title of this thread. Says it all, imho.

[JoFerret]

14. I give him that

...but the lurking McClurkin thinking that bothers me.

[annie1]

22. what are you talking about, he finished his 3 performances.

[alteredstate]

34. You're wrong.

McClurkin performed at one concert.

[BlueLizard]

27. Wow. Talk about re-writing history...

The HRC (Human Rights Campaign) practically pleaded with Obama not to give McClurkin the stage and Obama chose to do so knowing the hurt it would cause for GLBT individuals. To now try to re-write history and say that he removed McClurkin as soon as it was "apparently hurtful" is wantonly misleading... Obama knew it would be hurtful but chose to do it anyway. Which is much worse than if he had done it and not realized the hurt he would cause.

[Neshanic]

32. No, No, No, He was warned before the event, and he still did it.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. He did no such thing

He didn't "remove" McClurkin from anything - in fact, he continued with the concert knowing the objections of GLBT's. He didn't give a shit.

[cboy4]

35. No props to Obama because he I'm almost positive

he knew that it was going to be "apparently hurtful," yet didn't give a shit.

Because Obama is the candidate of pandering. Her will suck up to anyone to get elected, which is why he is completely untrustworthy.