June 3 Michigan re-vote is very possible

[papau]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/13/767355.aspx
June 3 Michigan re-vote is very possible
March 13, 2008 4:22 PM by Chuck Todd
From NBC's Chuck Todd
While the idea of Florica re-vote seems to be fading, there is a lot of momentum among Michigan Democrats for a June 3 re-vote, according to informed sources in the state. There are a couple of hurdles, including who would pay for the primary (100% Clinton donors or 50-50 split between Clinton and Obama donors; the preference of state Democrats). The state would pass a law that would appropriate the money to run this special primary election; not a mail-in, but a full bore in-person 100% open primary. The state, in turn, would be reimbursed by the Democratic Party or potentially other entities or even seeing if it's possible for donors to contribute to the state directly. Everyone seems to be on board in the state Democratic world of Michigan, including the governor, the Dingells, Carl Levin, the Kilpatricks and the U.A.W. For those that follow Michigan Democratic politics closely, you'll know getting all those folks in agreement isn't easy.

Also, there appears to be very little GOP resistance in the state legis. (or even the McCain campaign) from allowing this to happen. So, barring some major objection by the Obama folks (who are being briefed on this plan later today), the possibility of a Michigan re-vote on June 3 is very high. The only thing that could stop this primary logistically is if the state party is told, legally, they can't raise the large soft money contributions they would need to raise in order to come up with the $10-12 million.

All of this needs to be agreed to (including by the state legislature) in the next 10-14 days. <snip>

[MadBadger]

1. Good, she is going to lose there.

[Obamaniac]

15. This is great news...

Obama can only do better than 0%, we'll get a new vote and I think Obama will win it.

[skooooo]

17. How do you know?

Are there polls there, or?

[MadBadger]

21. Yep...Rasmussen polled it after OH/TX and it was tied 41-41.

[ossman]

2. Obama will win... but what about Kwami's endorsement? Ugh.

That should be interesting for Obama. Kwami is such a scumbag.

[Hepburn]

3. Kewl........

...Obama picks up more against Hillary! :hi:

[K Gardner]

4. Good news ! I'd like to see them both run in a MI primary. Let's hope this one gets settled soon.

[Frances]

5. It's not about Advantage Hillary or Advantage Obama

It's about having as many people as possible participate in selecting the eventual Dem nominee.

[Selatius]

6. I honestly think the legislators should pay for their fuck-up by deducting it from their own salary.

The only way I'd be happy for this is if the state legislators who fucked up in the first place by changing the laws paid for it themselves by deducting the total cost of a re-vote from their annual salary. Maybe that will teach them not to fuck up next time. They should pay for it themselves instead of getting people to give even more money for a re-vote.

[TahitiNut]

7. FUBAR compounded

One major flaw would arise IF people who voted in the REPUBLICAN primary already held were allowed to then vote in the Democratic primary in June. This is normally impossible without voter fraud.

This is so no matter if they have the new open primary only for the Democratic candidates that remain or, in an almost pro-forma way, run parallel party primaries. After all, a Republican primary is moot.

While I strongly favor open primaries, there's no telling how extreme the shenanigans might get with this arrangement and the conditions that exist.

There's no way to unring the bell ... the Democratic Party (state AND national) FUBARed big time. No campaign spending in the state that could use the bucks the most. Democratic candidates AFRAID to face the most disenfranchised labor pool of any state in the nation ... with more unemployment and a "brain drain" of college graduates and younger skilled workers to other states. The most severe foreclosure rate in the nation in and AROUND Detroit and the greatest collapse in home market values in Detroit with houses worth LESS THAN A NEW CAR.

They blew it ... big time. They took a 10::7 advantage to win Election 2008 and threw it to the GOP in this state.

Stupid. Deep, dense, rock-hard STUPID.

[MichiganVote]

9. I couldn't agree more.

[MichiganVote]

8. Michigan voters pay for a re-do for the sake of the Democratic party???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

WITH WHAT????

Not going to happen.

[Yes We Did]

10. No kidding. Michigan is one of the brokest states in the country.

[psquare]

11. This would be great - if it works out!

No way Clinton wins in MI this time around, that would have been her internal logic for seating the existing delegation.

Also makes Obama (and Edwards) look like geniuses for pulling their names off the ballot, which I'm sure had a LOT to do with swaying TPTB onto the re-vote.

And with FL re-vote looking less and less likely - looking forward to a 20+ delegate bump from all this!

Todd has been saying that this would be the most likely outcome, IIRC he said before MS that he would guarantee that it would happen. Just hoping that it does.

[MichiganVote]

13. You know its illogic like this that has us all laughing our asses off in Mi.

Do you even bother to read the economic news in Michigan?

[DerekJ]

12. I have a feeling it won’t matter by then.

[MichiganVote]

18. For delegate counts it might not...in the long run...

two things we have a lot of in Michigan---water and memory.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. wtf are they going to pay for it with? Monopoly money?

[MichiganVote]

16. maybe they'll ask Kwami to cough up his stash...

[goldcanyonaz]

19. At least chip in that diamond earing of his.

[TahitiNut]

20. Well, maybe Hillary could go and ask Dick DeVos. Or Erik Prince?

They got the bucks. They'd LOVE it. :rofl:

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. That's excellent news...

hopefully something can be resolved in the case of Florida, too, rather than stripping half of their delegates. A revote in both states is the fairest solution, regardless of which candidate it benefits (I'd predict a Clinton win in Florida, and probably close to 50/50 in Michigan).