Don't be so quick to judge Rev. Wright about aids - Article says it could be true...

[1776Forever]

Don't be so quick to judge - This man says it could just have some merit - Please read....

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/10/20/aids_called_black_genocide_us_special_virus_program_chart_vindicates_maathai.htm

October 20, 2004

AIDS Called Black Genocide - US Special Virus Program Chart Vindicates Maathai

In what appears to be a confirmation of Nobel Wangari Maathai's statement that Aids may be a man-made illness, Boyd E. Graves J.D. has published his research into the US government's “Special Virus” program on a site dedicated to the issue. According to his timeline, the research program goes back to the late 1800s. Graves charges that the program is specifically directed against Blacks with a view to reducing their population, both within the United States and across the African continent. The research is documented in a 1971 secret government flow chart, the existence of which, says Boyd, was only discovered in 1999.

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You know it is easy to jump at declaring someone "crazy" but can we really put ANYTHING now off the table here in the U.S.? It seems like this person may know something that we don't!

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Just found this -

http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/NR010708.html

New Book Links HIV/AIDS to African American Genocide:
Compelling National Security Documents Target Black Groups

Sandpoint, ID A new book by an award winning health science writer, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, concludes that the predilection of HIV/AIDS for black America and Africa is the likeliest result of successful national security policies advanced during the Nixon and Carter administrations. Compelling national security documents reveal the intentional targeting of black Americans and Africans for population control, including depopulation, as is being accomplished by the AIDS epidemic today.

Not likely a coincidence, according to U.S. Government documents reprinted in Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare (Tetrahedron, LLC, 2001; 1-888-508-4787), every sociopolitical and economic outcome secretly planned for Black America and Africa by intelligence agencies during the Nixon and Carter years, has come to pass. Dr. Horowitz, a Harvard graduate in public health and emerging diseases expert, likewise links the AIDS epidemic's devastating toll on Black populations as reflective of the secret policies.

During the early 1970s, Dr. Horowitz writes, National Secret Security Memorandum 200, advanced by Nixon's National Security Advisor, Henry Kissinger, called for massive Third World depopulation among efforts to maintain the economic alignment of the superpowers. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who replaced Dr. Kissinger for the Carter administration, secretly dispatched National Security Memorandum 46 to cabinet chiefs only. This document, the most telling, authorized the FBI and CIA to initiate genocidal policies.

Let's at least say it COULD be true.

[DURHAM D]

1. Your link does not work - Darn, I always like to read crackpot ideas. eom

[Yes We Did]

2. Yeah, cuz nobel prize winners are all crackpots.

[cali]

4. First of all it's the Nobel, not the Pulitzer- huge difference

and secondly, damn straight there have been some batshit crazy Nobel winners.

[Yes We Did]

7. oops... tired... sick... cough cough

[Dr.Phool]

9. Hey, Henry Kissinger won one. And Milton Friedman.

Says a lot for the Nobel, huh?

[Occam Bandage]

32. Not all of them. Some certainly are.

[1776Forever]

6. I think I fixed it -

:eyes:

[iconocrastic]

27. Wright shouldn't be so quick to judge either

But nobody's holding him accountable. Nor apparently ever has.

[cali]

3. That's been completely debunked

Though I understand where the suspicion in the AA community comes from, it's pure bunk, and it's dangerous bunk at that.

[1776Forever]

10. This may be where some got this idea from though. It has loads of links on the page.

I really don't know what to think. Just struck me that it could be true. There have been so many experiments done of U.S. citizens in the past.

:shrug:

[anonymous171]

5. I've heard of this conspiracy theory. Sounds interesting.

Although it most likely (99%) isn't true.

[Yes We Did]

8. I'm sorry, I don't put anything past our government.

Current or former.

[1776Forever]

17. Nor do I - I just told some of those who think it couldn't happen about the CIA program....

Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a CIA mind-control research program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

It can and does happen - as for Aids I don't know but all I said was it could have. With things like this going on it is easy to see why someone might think that way.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. What does a Peace Prize winner know

about retroviruses?

The fact is, we don't have the capability of making such a virus. We especially didn't have the capability over 50 years ago, when the first AIDS cases in humans occurred.

[totodeinhere]

12. With all that has happened in the past fifty years,

such as the JFK assassination, probably a conspiracy, the RFK assassination, probably a conspiracy, the MLK assassination, probably a conspiracy, and conspiracies to steal the past two presidential elections, I could possibly believe almost any conspiracy theory anymore.

[1776Forever]

21. Thank you for keeping an open mind - Isn't that what we Dem's pride ourselve in - please see link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5068087&mesg_id=5068634

[MonkeyFunk]

24. even one that claims

the US invented a retrovirus over 50 years ago? Before they knew what a retrovirus was? And a retrovirus that attacks cells that we didn't know existed?

That's some conspiracy.

[1776Forever]

26. Compelling National Security Documents Target Black Groups

http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/NR010708.html

New Book Links HIV/AIDS to African American Genocide:
Compelling National Security Documents Target Black Groups

Sandpoint, ID A new book by an award winning health science writer, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, concludes that the predilection of HIV/AIDS for black America and Africa is the likeliest result of successful national security policies advanced during the Nixon and Carter administrations. Compelling national security documents reveal the intentional targeting of black Americans and Africans for population control, including depopulation, as is being accomplished by the AIDS epidemic today.

Not likely a coincidence, according to U.S. Government documents reprinted in Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare (Tetrahedron, LLC, 2001; 1-888-508-4787), every sociopolitical and economic outcome secretly planned for Black America and Africa by intelligence agencies during the Nixon and Carter years, has come to pass. Dr. Horowitz, a Harvard graduate in public health and emerging diseases expert, likewise links the AIDS epidemic's devastating toll on Black populations as reflective of the secret policies.

During the early 1970s, Dr. Horowitz writes, National Secret Security Memorandum 200, advanced by Nixon's National Security Advisor, Henry Kissinger, called for massive Third World depopulation among efforts to maintain the economic alignment of the superpowers. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who replaced Dr. Kissinger for the Carter administration, secretly dispatched National Security Memorandum 46 to cabinet chiefs only. This document, the most telling, authorized the FBI and CIA to initiate genocidal policies.

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Again I say I don't know if this is true or not. Just saying it could be.

[redstate_democrat]

28. Didn't the US invent the

Atomic BOMB and Truman didn't have a clue about it when he was VICE PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES! We had the technology to invent something like that in the 40's, we had the technology to send a man to the moon in the 60s, yet we couldn't mix and match some animal viruses in a lab and mix it in with a vaccine?


GET REALS!

[Solon]

31. No we couldn't...

First, you would have to SEE what the hell you were looking for, second, these aren't CHEMICALS, these are ORGANISMS, you don't "mix and match" to see what works. Besides that, most animal viruses do NOT cross species, hell, this is true of HIV as well. They would had to of forced a mutation on SIV to be able to make it virulent in humans, and they didn't have the technology for that 50 years ago.

The Atomic Bomb analogy doesn't work in this case, around the turn of the century, radiation was identified. Einstein wrote out and published his theories around this time, and even then, it took almost 40 years before we could exploit that knowledge to not only create a sustained reaction, but a nuclear bomb as well.

Basically, creating or modifying HIV would have been akin to trying to build an atom bomb without using the work of Marie Curie, Albert Einstein, or any of those other scientists as a base to work from. They wouldn't have built it at all. You need theory before application, and they had that.

[redstate_democrat]

37. So

I guess you insist on injecting science and stuff into this, huh? I still believe it, though.

[MonkeyFunk]

34. Correct

atomic physics was, obviously, advanced enough to build a bomb. Virology was nowhere near as advanced. The notion that they had mastered something that a generation of the world's best scientists are still struggling to figure out is nonsensical.

[totodeinhere]

36. I'm not necessarily saying that it happened.

I'm just saying that after all that has happened, I am cynical enough to believe almost anything. And I don't blame anyone else who also has that same attitude. You see, that's the problem. We have seen so much shit happen in our lifetimes that now hardly anything is off the table and that's really a crying shame.

[windbreeze]

38. How do WE know what THEY knew 50 yrs ago?

not asking that to be facetious either...We might all be surprised to know what "they" knew...after all, that was the late 50's...not the 20's...We actually have NO clue what they were doing in gov't laboratories, (great strides were made in those years)...there was far less chance we would know...all it takes is one scientist willing to experiment, along with someone willing to fund and encourage, with an ulterior motive...accidents do happen...and from the way I understand it, vaccines can/do mutate, and become unsafe..(kinda reminds me of the anthrax back in 2001)I figure, just about the time I think it isn't possible, maybe I better think again......wb

[BadgerLaw2010]

41. You're postulating that there are ten or so missing generations of biotech no one knows about?

That's just loony. The US isn't even particularly good at this relative to other countries.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. Nope

it's not a single discovery. It's based on many decades of the work of many many people. It was impossible then.

[Zynx]

13. I put it in the whacky belief categoy.

[1776Forever]

22. Please read the link - didn't say it was true - just that it could be -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5068087&mesg_id=5068634

[BadgerLaw2010]

39. How "could" it be? It postulates engineering fifty years ago no one can do now.

This shit is garbage.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. I Was Wondering Why Stock In A Large Aluminum Foil Company Skyrocketed Today. Now I Know.

Someone obviously made a HUGE purchase today...

[1776Forever]

19. Try this on........

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/adrastea.htm

Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

In 1932 the United States Public Health Service (PHASE), in cooperation with the Tuskegee Institute, initiated a study in Macon County, Alabama to determine the effects of untreated syphilis. The study would last until 1970 and follow 399 black men diagnosed with syphilis.

In order to ensure that they would not be treated, which became increasingly difficult with the discovery and widespread use of penicillin after 1943, local physicians, draft boards and PHS venereal disease eradication programs were given a list of the "subjects."

The men, the most educated of whom completed 7th grade, were told they were being treated for "bad blood," a term the white doctors claimed was a synonym for syphilis in the black community. One participant responded, "That could be true. But I have never heard no such thing."

..........

Is it any wonder that a black man would think that they have been a target of our government? I think not. If you care to take a look at all the U.S.Government experiments out there that have been done without the knowledge of the person it was performed on.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Oh God If You're Gonna Look At Me, Can Ya Turn Off The Lights First? The Glare! THE GLARE!!!!

MY EYES!!!!!!

Damn that shit's shiny!

[redstate_democrat]

29. What do you think about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_EHq7tvEu8

[JoFerret]

15. Outrageous nonsense. Please do not tell me you support Obama.

You would not be his only lunatic supporter but you know folks - Obama is a GREAT dem canidate. This kind of stuff drags him down.

[1776Forever]

16. Project MKULTRA, was the code name for a CIA mind-control research program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

This is documented - there are many more. I am not naive. Things have happened. I don't know if it is true or not about Aids, I just said let's just say it could be.

[Honeycombe8]

25. You got THAT right. I can't believe the nonsense that's spilling out, now.

It's getting to be bizarroworld.

[Johnny__Motown]

18. I don't buy it, but I can see why Rev. Wright might buy into it.

I am gonna say a very very bad thing here, maybe more than one.


It seems to me that if someone wanted to find a way to kill Blacks with a disease there would be more effective methods. Sickle cell anemia would seem to be the obvious choice. It targets only Blacks (unless I am mistaken) and had been prevalent for decades. If you wanted a disease that targeted blacks why not simply attempt to make the existing strain more virulent?

AIDS is clearly an effective way to kill lots of people but I don't see it targeting one race more effectively than any other.


I am sorry if that was a offensive (I am repulsed by the idea myself), it was a point I felt needed to be made. This idea has been kicked around since '04 and I looked into it a little right after I heard about it. Still, not buying it.

[1776Forever]

20. I replied to this in an earlier post - I don't know I agree with it either - just saying it could be

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5068087&mesg_id=5068540

and this:

Black Female Ministries Target AIDS Danger
Run Date: 11/27/06
By Malena Amusa

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=2974

Female ministries are beginning to tackle a fact that activists say African American churches and the U.S. government alike have failed to adequately acknowledge or address: Black women are contracting HIV faster than any other group of women.

"When I first came here, I was doing a funeral (from AIDS) almost every week," said the Rev. Dr. Mark V.C. Taylor, pastor of the Church of the Open Door since 1990. "I realized I was in the middle of something huge. Then I began meeting people in the church infected by HIV and AIDS."

And:

http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/NR010708.html

New Book Links HIV/AIDS to African American Genocide:
Compelling National Security Documents Target Black Groups

Sandpoint, ID A new book by an award winning health science writer, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, concludes that the predilection of HIV/AIDS for black America and Africa is the likeliest result of successful national security policies advanced during the Nixon and Carter administrations. Compelling national security documents reveal the intentional targeting of black Americans and Africans for population control, including depopulation, as is being accomplished by the AIDS epidemic today.

Not likely a coincidence, according to U.S. Government documents reprinted in Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare (Tetrahedron, LLC, 2001; 1-888-508-4787), every sociopolitical and economic outcome secretly planned for Black America and Africa by intelligence agencies during the Nixon and Carter years, has come to pass. Dr. Horowitz, a Harvard graduate in public health and emerging diseases expert, likewise links the AIDS epidemic's devastating toll on Black populations as reflective of the secret policies.

During the early 1970s, Dr. Horowitz writes, National Secret Security Memorandum 200, advanced by Nixon's National Security Advisor, Henry Kissinger, called for massive Third World depopulation among efforts to maintain the economic alignment of the superpowers. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who replaced Dr. Kissinger for the Carter administration, secretly dispatched National Security Memorandum 46 to cabinet chiefs only. This document, the most telling, authorized the FBI and CIA to initiate genocidal policies.

.........

Again I say I don't know if this is true or not. Just saying it could be.

[verelsol]

30. The scientific community doesn't think AIDS was man-made

Just for the record.

[1776Forever]

33. That may be true - Just saying that a lot of black's do believe this - see following...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080201751.html

Washington Post article:

Talk Radio Can't Handle the Truth

By Casey Lartigue Jr. and Eliot Morgan
Sunday, August 5, 2007; Page B03

(snip)

A 1990 survey by the Southern Christian Leadership Conference found that one-third of black American churchgoers believed that AIDS was a form of genocide. One-third also believed that HIV was produced in a germ-warfare lab, and 40 percent of black college students in Washington, D.C., agreed. An even higher percentage of blacks polled said they thought that crack cocaine was custom-made to be planted in African American communities to keep them crime-ridden and poor and that the government deliberately targeted black elected officials to drive them from office.

These beliefs keep some black Americans from having their children vaccinated, from receiving AIDS tests and early medical treatment, and from practicing safe sex or using clean needles, as Patricia A. Turner and Gary Alan Fine note in their book, "Whispers on the Color Line." They also make seeking the truth an uphill battle.

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Just a note to say I cannot blame them after the things the U.S. has done like the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.

[RememberWellstone]

35. OMG

The sad thing is, you think this is true too.

Amazing what sheep will eat these days.

[1776Forever]

44. You know I cannot say it more then I have - I said it might be true - did you read the links?

There is proof that the black community in the Tuskegee incident and other times have been used for U.S. experiments. Are you really a Democrat? It is hard to tell with all these closed minded people. Are you that naive? Move along - there is nothing to see here.

[BadgerLaw2010]

40. This shit should be locked. Or moved to the 9/11 sewer.

No we did not cook up a retrovirus fifty years ago to kill black people, AND keep it absolutely secret despite the mammoth resources that would be involved in even attempting this.

[1776Forever]

47. NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL MEMORANDUM-46 - This is fact

http://www.finalcall.com/MEMORANDUM-46.htm

I keep saying I didn't say the accusation about Aids WAS true - but we cannot be so naive as to not try to understand why some black citizens believe this to be true.

I thought Democrat's were open minded - I am finding that to be true for only a few. The rest are robots - move on there is nothing here to see.

[1776Forever]

51. Just to be fair the Memorandum my be false - here is the link .......

I hope it is because I would hate for Carter to have done that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080201751.html

I will admit when I am wrong - but was the damage down by this so called Memorandum? Many the article says believe it to this day.

[AlCzervik]

42. i watched "The Origin of Aids" on Sundance no too long ago, it deals directly with

this subject. Well worth watching and yes it raises some bug questions.

http://www.aidsorigins.com/

[1776Forever]

45. Thank you for your open mind - I just said it might be true - We don't know a lot of things

It is scary what I found just in a few minutes. The CIA testing and the Tuskegee Incident and more. Here is a link to the National Security Memorandum 46 mentioned in my post. This is fact. Like I said I don't know if Aids was started by someone or not. But it does make one wonder about all this.

http://www.finalcall.com/MEMORANDUM-46.htm

[AlCzervik]

46. i am really surprised that more people here hven't seen that doc, it's packed with info

and it does matter, i know many are saying the whole thing has been debunked but that doc isn't more than a year or 2 old.

[1776Forever]

48. It just came out to the public - it was written in 1978 during Pres. Carter Admin

There is a lot out there like I said. Our 1776 Founders use to say "Keep Vigilant!". Remember to keep an open mind in all things. It will make and keep you free!!!!!!!


:hide:

[1776Forever]

49. There is an article out there that says that Memorandum is a fake - link....

Just to be fair - this article says it is a fake. I don't know who would have made this up though. You should read this though to make up your mind.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080201751.html

[AlCzervik]

50. I think what Wright is saying has nothing to do with "The Origin of Aids"

[1776Forever]

52. I don't know - I have to listen to the link you gave me

:eyes:

[1776Forever]

53. The link you gave me said this......I think your right about that

In 1999 I wrote a book, The River, which proposed the hypothesis that AIDS might be iatrogenic (caused by physicians), and that scientists might have unwittingly started the pandemic through an experimental oral polio vaccine (OPV) administered in central Africa in the 1950s. That book touched more buttons than I had anticipated, for it sparked a major cover-up among those who had been involved with making the vaccine, and among powerful interest groups within the medical community.

[AlCzervik]

54. holy shit, you wrote that book, you're him?

[1776Forever]

55. No - that's funny - sorry I just pasted it from here

http://www.aidsorigins.com/

Welcome to www.aidsorigins.com, the site hosted by Ed Hooper that seeks to provide impartial and uncensored information about the origins of the AIDS pandemic.

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It was Ed Hooper

Sorry I am tired - :boring:

[AlCzervik]

56. and that book is really hard to get, every time i try amazon they claim they have it

for $109 and then they never do. Anyhow i found the whole premise very interesting and it hasn't been disproved.

[1776Forever]

58. Thanks for intruducing me to it - I found it very interesting too. Mia Farrow -

She use to be married to Frank Sinatra - did a lot of Polio vaccine trips over to Africa. I wonder if she was old enough to have seen the start of this. She is the same age as Hillary I think. Pharmaceutical companies are another big problem in this country. Neutra sweet and Rumsfeld is a classic! If you don't know about that one look it up sometime. I was a student under a Nurse that worked for one of the major contributors of the research done on that in Marion, OH and she made us swear to never use it and tell our families never to use it because of what she knew to be the truth behind it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. and so is the tooth fairy