interesting conversation with a coworker, re: clinton

[Lerkfish]

my coworker and I talk politics all the time, we're both democrats, he has no strong feelings, but was supporting Clinton over Obama. I was up front that I didn't like Clinton due to the IWR vote and the Kyl-lieberman vote, way back when those happened. He disagreed with me, but it was amicable.
Today, he said I was right all along. The Clinton campaign has completely turned him against her, and he was for her before. It was due ONLY to the campaign, she lost him as a supporter.
Why? Well, he doesn't appreciate the racial underpinnings of her campaign. He said once or twice he could see, but after several times, and especially the latest Ferraro debacle, he finally agrees with me that she should step down for the good of the party.

I didn't convince him, her own campaign convinced him that he wants nothing to do with her. He pointed out that she's running the campaign as if she were a republican...he said "I expect republicans to attach Obama on race, but I never ever expected that crap from within our own party".,


just passing this on.

[better tomorrow]

1. you see, there IS HOPE after all....

thanks for sharing

[skooooo]

2. I think this will happen to a lot of people...

...most white democrats aren't going to like the looks of Clinton's campaign.

[NOLALady]

3. We should thank the HRC campaign.

[CitizenLeft]

4. yes, thank you

I wish I could ask my two close friends, both very strong Hillary supporters, what they think... but they're both white, and I'm black... I don't want to go there and jeopardize my friendship with each of them. I guess I'm just afraid of what I'll hear, then feel obligated to defend my opinion. Best not to bring it up at all. :(

BTW, they're both 50+, so they're her very base demographic.

[C_U_L8R]

5. I think it's safe to say they did themselves in

I started out supporting Hillary too but very quickly... the bending,
twisting, distorting, the triangulating took me right back to eight years ago...
when as much as I loved the Clintons, they were also an embarrassment.
I loved that we had D in the White House but we lost Congress, we lost the Supremes
...and most of all lost truthfulness along the way. My god we were debating the definition of IS !!!
I started out supporting Hillary but her tactics repulsed me. And I reached a point where I just
couldn't take it anymore. I do not want Hillary to be my President because I do not trust her or believe her.
And every day she's given us all more and more reason to not support her.
I kept hoping and waiting for her to come around... to start giving us reason to believe ...in her.
But instead, she divided us again.. and pulled us into the stink with her. Again.
And that is unforgivable. And it is sad.

[anonymous171]

6. Clinton isn't trying to win popular vote. She's trying to make Obama damaged goods.

That way, SDs will have no choice but to choose her. That's why she's attacking him like a republican.

[krkaufman]

10. yep. Well, the smearing and re-branding of Obama as "the black candidate" ...

... will help with netting more votes in PA, which will be a large part of the Clinton camp's argument for the SDs overriding Obama's pledged delegate lead.

[Liberal Veteran]

7. That's what happened to me at a different point. When it became clear....

...that Hillary was losing, she started playing dirty and it ruined any good feelings I had about her.

[Auntie Bush]

8. I just crumpled it up and threw it in the wastebasket.

So you can't pass it on. Sorry that ones taken and you'll have to make up a new one.

[Lerkfish]

11. not sure what you're implying, but I was being truthful

I typed in the post minutes after the conversation.

:shrug:

[ginnyinWI]

9. my husband is a white, middle-aged Independent voter.

He can't stand HRC. Whenever he hears her voice, he shakes his head and says he hopes he doesn't have to hear that for the next four years. And he likes Obama--for the first time he went willingly to a campaign rally of a candidate for President--in Feb. when Obama was here in Wisconsin.

He isn't really into politics and bases his opinions simply on seeing how each candidate presents themselves--their tone, expressions, humor, likeability. And he's not alone by far.

My point is that it doesn't take much to sway the average voter. This negativity HRC has taken on in the last few weeks will be more damaging to her than she realizes. You can't scare people into voting for you, and you can't convince them that you are Presidential by the volume of your voice, or how hard you seem to "fight".

And the Mississippi vote showed the results of bringing race into it. It was more split between black and white voters than any state primary so far. It's divisive, destructive and bad for the party overall.