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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:58 PM
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STILL UNCOUNTED: 126,443 PROVISIONAL BALLOTS FROM OHIO PRIMARY
There were 126,443 provisional ballots cast statewide in the March 4 primary, compared with 129,432 votes cast in the 2006 general election, when there were 735,000 more voters than in last week's election.

-snip
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/13/absentee.ART_ART_03-13-08_B1_3A9KKBB.html?adsec=politics&sid=101


The 2006 general election shows 9.7% absentee ballots rejected. Better performance than provisionals at 19.2% rejected, but something to keep in mind.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/ElectionsVoter/results2006.aspx?Section=1840

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:01 PM
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1. WTF?
There were 126,443 provisional ballots cast statewide in the March 4 primary, compared with 129,432 votes cast in the 2006 general election, when there were 735,000 more voters than in last week's election.

Experts fear that some voters are being given provisional ballots who should not get them, and a regular ballot is preferable because it is counted on election night. A high number of provisional ballots this fall also could affect a close presidential race.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:01 PM
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2. Election Count Starts March 25:
Election count starts March 25
BY THE ENQUIRER

HAMILTON CO. -- The Hamilton County Board of Elections expects to begin counting more than 12,000 provisional ballots March 25 and will know by April 3 whether any races are close enough to be subjected to an automatic recount. Ohio law requires the official count, which involves counting provisional ballots and retallying the ballots from Election Day, to begin between March 25 and 29 and be complete by April 4.

The results must be certified to the state April 8.

If the margin in any race is within one half of 1 percent of the total votes cast in that race, the race is subject to an automatic recount.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080312/NEWS01/803120426/1056/COL02
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:06 PM
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4. Any close districts in Cleveland with a high number of provisionals?
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:21 PM
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11. I've got a story... forgive me for the length
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 11:31 PM by CitizenLeft
I live in Euclid. I rec'd my pre-election flyer from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections like I always do about 6 weeks prior to Mar 4th, as is standard before every election. That flyer verifies that I'm a registered voter, and tells me where to go to vote, listing my precinct and polling place. I set it aside for later; I like to take it with me in case there are any shenanigans at the polling place (like... being told I need a provisional ballot. This has never happened to me before, but Ken Blackwell made me very paranoid).

The night before the primary, I couldn't find my flyer. I looked everywhere and got nervous... I knew where I THOUGHT I was supposed to vote, but I wanted to make sure, in case anything had changed. So I googled "find polling place" and, lo and behold, www.barackobama.com came up. Since I intended to (and did) vote for Obama, I said "cool!" I got onto the site, entered my info, and... oh no... the WRONG precinct and polling place came up. I panicked, because, hey, nobody told me to go to Polling Place B instead of Polling Place A... was it a mistake?

So I tore the house apart and found the damn flyer, and sure enough, the Cuy. Cty B. of E. was telling me to go where I thought I should. So the site was wrong. I then felt embarrassed for the campaign, thinking... oh Lord, they're sending people to the wrong polling places to vote. There are going to be a ton of provisional ballots.

In the morning, when I got to work, I called the Obama campaign and told them what had happened. The young lady I spoke to was very concerned, and took my name and number and said she'd get back to me. When I hung up, I called the Board of Elections and verified that, yes, the flyer is CORRECT. A few mins later, the Obama campaign called back, and said that she was told that the information on the Board of Elec. site is INCORRECT, and that the polling place on the Obama site is WHERE I SHOULD GO. I told her that I'd just gotten off the phone with the B. of E. and was told the exact opposite. Now she was really worried, and said she'd call me back. AGAIN, I called the B. of E., explained the whole thing, and was told AGAIN that my flyer was right, and that the Obama site was wrong.

Now comes the weird part: the young lady from Obama HQ called me back again, and said that she had heard, from 3 different sources and verified in numerous ways by the B. of E., that, again, according to the Board of Elections, the Board of Elections site was INCORRECT, had INCORRECT POLLING PLACE INFO, and that the Obama site was CORRECT.. Now I got paranoid. Why the HELL would the B. of E. tell them that??? I tried to tell her that was wrong, but she trusted what she was told.

To make an already long story short... the flyer was correct. I got to the polling place listed on my B. of E. flyer, was listed in the register books, and voted.

So WTF was up with the misinformation? I admit it, I do... it was not lost on me that the Board of Elections is controlled by the Sec. of State. Now, after living through Ken Blackwell, and seeing how Katherine Harris operated, it was also not lost on me that Ted Strickland, our gov., is a strong and very active Hillary Clinton supporter.

I'm not saying anything. I'm just sayin'. Since OH went for Hillary by a larger margin than at least I expected, I thought nothing of it afterwards. But now, hearing about all these provisional ballots, how many other polling places were listed incorrectly on the Obama site? And was it done deliberately, as in... did the Cuyahoga Cty Board of Elections, who gave the Obama campaign their data to load onto their site, give them the wrong info intentionally? Remember... some of those folks from that very office are IN JAIL for rigging the OH recount in 2004.

How many people even checked their polling places from the Obama site? Unknown, maybe hardly any at all. It may mean nothing at all, maybe 10 people got sent to the wrong place, maybe 100, maybe 1000. I know that my precinct, at least, is comprised of older, settled voters who would know where to go - as I did, ultimately - and wouldn't need to check any site for their polling location. But young people... they may rely on such a tool.

My one residual question is... WHY did the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections tell the Obama campaign that the Board of Elections site WAS WRONG when it wasn't? ... and that the Obama sites info was CORRECT when it wasn't?

Odd, that.

(edited for clarity and spelling)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:41 PM
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15. If I'm not mistaken, didn't they just redraw the Wards in Euclid due to
a federal lawsuit...

I would think that was one of the reasons for some confusion...

But if you really want to believe that Strickland has his hands in the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections after Jennifer Brunner cleaned out the political folks on the board and ordered a whole new election process, then have at it...

Just remember one thing, the people who work at the Board of Elections are only humnan...

The Secretary of State scrapped the whole voting machinery around Christmas...

They got the scanners up and running and ran a fairly good election...

Mean time, the court went in and redrew all the Ward boundaries in Euclid just a while ago...

That would more than likely change where people voted...

Why was Obama's information different than the Board of Elections...

Perhaps they had their ballots printing before the Ward boundaries were redrawn...

Oh BTW, those two workers were released from jail a few weeks ago...
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:02 AM
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16. uhm... the patronizing tone was entirely unnecessary...
...but you have at it.

I know the wards were redrawn. I was told that by the Bd of E... and passed that info on to the Obama campaign. It was not the reason for the mix-up... again... perhaps you missed it the numerous times I mentioned it: the BOARD OF ELECTIONS told the campaign in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that the information on the BOARD OF ELECTIONS WEBSITE was INCORRECT.

I am entirely aware that the people who work at the Bd of Elections are human... I remember the very human attitude they took towards the people who volunteered for the recount... of which I was one. They treated us with disdain every day that we showed up... the very people who, yes, were in jail for rigging the recount. So don't give me that shit... I looked them in the eye and smiled while they sneered at me every day for having the audacity to question the election results.

I'm aware that the election machinery was scrapped... didn't I just say I voted? Which, uh,... like... means I KNOW I didn't use an electronic voting machine this time, and used paper/scanner.

By the way, do you always use this tone when you talk to people? Just on this board, or in real life too?

You repeated yourself... yes, again, I KNOW they re-drew the lines.

Yes, it would more than likely change where people voted... which is why I wanted to verify where I was supposed to vote.

Why was the Obama campaign's info different? I believe I said more than once that their info came from the database given to them by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. Do I have to repeat that?

The ballots printed? Not sure what you mean. It was the pre-election flyer that I was questioning, which was correct. The flyer was correct; the information for my polling place on the Bd. of E. site was correct; I voted in the correct polling place... but the Obama campaign... let me say it again... was TOLD BY THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS THAT THEIR OWN INFORMATION, on the Bd. of E. site, WAS INCORRECT and that the Obama campaign's info was CORRECT, which it was clearly NOT, and easily verified by myself. Why were they lied to? I don't know.

I will give you one point - I didn't know that the people who rigged the recount had been let out of jail. Considering that I thought I was being fairly even-handed in the telling of a story I had dismissed myself as insignificant, you were pretty dismissive and condescending in your response. Totally unnecessary. But you go for it, baby!



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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:38 AM
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18. It's just that you were so quick to lump Strickland, who has next to
nothing to do with the elections in the state of Ohio, with Kathleen Haris...

You set the tone with a wild allegation such as that...

You may have known all of those items I mentioned, but you didn't mention them in your story...

I just was trying to give you an out for diving so quickly into the murk of conspiracy...

And oh yes, I do treat people the same whether it is face to face or on line...
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:56 AM
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19. let me cut and paste my "murk" for you again...
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:10 AM by CitizenLeft
"To make an already long story short... the flyer was correct. I got to the polling place listed on my B. of E. flyer, was listed in the register books, and voted.

So WTF was up with the misinformation? I admit it, I do... it was not lost on me that the Board of Elections is controlled by the Sec. of State. Now, after living through Ken Blackwell, and seeing how Katherine Harris operated, it was also not lost on me that Ted Strickland, our gov., is a strong and very active Hillary Clinton supporter.

I'm not saying anything. I'm just sayin'."


Yeah... that was reeeeal murky. I took a real dive there. I made alllll kinds of wild accusations there, didn't I? Jesus.

"To make an already long story short"... means... I left out stuff. So as not to make an already boring post more boring. I thought I left the pertinent information in there... which I did.

"So WTF was up with the misinformation? I admit it, I do... it was not lost on me that the Board of Elections is controlled by the Sec. of State. Now, after living through Ken Blackwell, and seeing how Katherine Harris operated, it was also not lost on me that Ted Strickland, our gov., is a strong and very active Hillary Clinton supporter."


YES... it was not lost on me that Strickland supports Clinton. YES, that popped into my mind, especially after all the ugliness and the distortions flung around by her campaign. After what we've seen here in Cuyahoga County - where DEMOCRATS rigged the recount, are we to never think of anything negative about our own party members, even those we VOTED FOR? There's been an awful lot of precedence for "murk" here... so sue me for thinking that with the image in my head of Ted Strickland eagerly nodding his head behind Hillary Clinton on stage as she waived those mailers around in the air and vehemently derided Obama in self-righteous outrage with "SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA!" Yes. That image was in my head.

Yeah. I was so deep into that vast left wing conspiracy murk that it took me this long to post this, and I even buried it in a thread that wasn't getting a lot of attention. :eyes:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:05 PM
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3. Probably more than you ever wanted to know about PVs in Ohio:
Provisional Voting

Before or on Election Day
Voting by Provisional Ballot (R.C. 3505.181)

Every voter must provide proof of identity at the time of voting. A person who casts a provisional ballot and does not provide acceptable proof of identity at the time of voting is allowed to provide such proof within 10 days after the election, in accordance with law.

Moved or changed your name and did not update your voter registration

If you are an Ohio voter who moved from one Ohio precinct to another Ohio precinct and did not submit your change of address to election officials by the 29th day before the election, you still may vote in that election by taking the appropriate steps
described below:
1 If you move from one precinct to another in the same Ohio county, you may report the change and vote using one of the following procedures:
a During the 28 days immediately before the election, go to your county board of elections office or designated site, submit a proper change of address, complete a provisional affirmation statement and vote a provisional ballot for your new voting address.
b On Election Day, go to one of the following three places: the polling place in the precinct in which your new voting address is located, the board of elections office, or a site designated by that board of elections; submit a proper change of address, complete a provisional affirmation statement and vote a provisional ballot for your new voting address.
2 If you move from the Ohio county in which you are registered to vote to another Ohio county, you may report the change and vote using one of the following procedures:
a During the 28 days immediately before the election, go to the board of elections office of the county in which you now reside, submit a proper change of address, complete a provisional affirmation statement and vote a provisional
ballot for your new voting address.
b On Election Day, go to one of the following two places: the board of elections office in the county in which you now reside or a site designated by that board of elections; submit a proper change of address, complete a provisional affirmation statement and vote a provisional ballot for your new voting address.
3 If you change your name, you may report the change and vote using one of the following procedures:
a During the 28 days immediately before the election, go to your county board of elections office or designated site, submit a proper change of name, complete a provisional
affirmation statement and vote a provisional ballot.
b On Election Day, go to one of the following three places: your polling place for your precinct, the board of elections office, or a site designated by that board of elections; submit a proper change of name, complete a provisional affirmation statement and vote a provisional ballot.

Providing Proof of Identity Within 10 Days After the Election

Before a provisional ballot can be included in the official count of an election, the board of elections must confirm the voter’s eligibility to cast the ballot, as well as the validity of the ballot that was cast. In some cases, a provisional voter can establish his or her eligibility to vote by appearing in person at the board of elections office within 10 days immediately after Election Day and completing the appropriate steps:
1 If you cast a provisional ballot because you had – but could not provide to election officials at the time you voted – acceptable proof of your identity or the last four digits of your Social Security number, you must provide to the board of the elections one of the following:
a Acceptable proof of your identity in the form of a current and valid photo identification, or a military identification that shows your name and current address, or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document (but not a voter registration notification mailed by a board of elections) that shows your name and current address; or
b The last four digits of your Social Security number.
2 If you cast a provisional ballot because, at the time you voted, you had – but declined to provide – an acceptable form of identification or the last four digits of your Social Security number, and you declined to execute the written affirmation statement, you must provide to the board of the elections one of the following:
a Acceptable proof of your identity in the form of a current and valid photo identification, or a military identification that shows your name and current address, or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document (but not a voter registration notification mailed by a board of elections) that shows your name and current address; or
b The last four digits of your Social Security number.
3 If you cast a provisional ballot because, at the time you voted, you did not have any acceptable form of identification or a Social Security number, and you declined to execute the written affirmation statement, you must do one of the following:
a Provide to the board acceptable proof of your identity in the form of a current and valid photo identification, or a military identification that shows your name and current address, or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document (but not a voter registration notification mailed by a board of elections) that shows your name and current address; or
b Provide to the board the last four digits of your Social Security number; or
c Complete the affirmation statement.
4 If you cast a provisional ballot because your right to vote was challenged at the polling place under R.C. 3505.20, and the election officials either determined that you were ineligible to vote or were unable to determine your eligibility, you must provide any identification or other documentation required to resolve the challenge.

Election Day provisional voting for other reasons (R.C. 3505.181)

You will be allowed to cast a provisional ballot at the polling place after completing and signing a provisional affirmation statement for any of the following reasons:
• Your name does not appear on the official poll list for an election, or an election official asserts that you are not eligible to vote or is unable to determine your eligibility.
• You are unable or decline to provide the required proof of identity, which includes a current and valid photo identification card, military identification, a copy of utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check, or government document showing your name and current address. (Note: You cannot use as proof of identification a notice that the board of elections mailed to you.)
• Your name appears on the poll list or signature book as having requested an absentee ballot.
• Your name is marked on the poll list or signature book with a notation that registration mailings have been returned as undeliverable.
• A hearing on a challenge to your eligibility as an elector has been postponed until after Election Day.
• Your signature, in the opinion of the precinct officers, does not match the signature on your registration form.
• Your eligibility to cast a ballot has been challenged by the precinct officers, and you refuse to make the required statement.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/PublicAffairs/VoterInfoGuide.aspx?Section=19
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:33 PM
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14. Mod Mom... see my story above.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:49 PM
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5. Here we go again, Obama loses Ohio so
the election was unfair. If you don't get the results you like someone cheated.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:55 PM
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6. wow the OP didn't say that
What are you a fortune teller?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:08 PM
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9. Obama didn't win Ohio, so I guess a Clinton
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 11:12 PM by doc03
supporter wouldn't be questioning the results. 2+2=4

on edit: I do know Obama was AWOL from SE Ohio and Hillary beat him 3-1 here.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:26 PM
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13. How would you know the vote totals if not all the votes have been counted yet?
How many votes were not counted in California's "double bubble" trouble ballots?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:57 AM
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21. Why are you afraid of counting all of the votes?
Counting the votes is not "questioning the results."
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:22 AM
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22. 1. Provisionals are still out (research PVs + HAVA) 2. Republican Cross-Overs:
Ohio GOP roots for Hillary

BY HOWARD WILKINSON | HWILKINSON@ENQUIRER.COM

One of the worst-kept secrets of the Ohio presidential primary is that Republican party leaders have a candidate they are rooting for on the Democratic side.

Her name is Hillary Clinton, and they believe that if she wins the Ohio primary and goes on to become the Democratic nominee, she will be the one who unites their dispirited and divided party and give them their best chance of keeping the White House this fall.

It is a belief that the Clinton campaign says is wrong-headed and they will campaign across the state for the next three weeks making the argument that their battle-tested, experienced candidate is the only one who can go toe-to-toe with John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee this fall.

-snip

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NEWS01/302130097




A movement is afoot ...

Some Republicans refer to it as "the plot."

It started a few weeks ago when conservative radio powerhouse Rush Limbaugh suggested that his Republican following cross over during the primary to vote for Clinton. Clinton, Limbaugh argued, would be easier for McCain to beat in November.

Soon, local morning radio show host Bob Frantz echoed Limbaugh on WTAM AM/1100, and the buzz began to grow.

-snip

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/crossover_voting_was_heavy_and.html





▪ What might have actually happened in Ohio and Texas? Tin foil hat?
▪ Clip:
: "Rush, I understand that the Rush Limbaugh audience is mobilizing in Texas for Hillary. Am I hearing that right?"

: "I don't know if the audience is mobilizing or not. I am urging people — I am using a phrase — the Republicans — our nominee is chosen. It's John McCain.

Texas is open. And I want Hillary to stay in this, Laura. This is too good a soap opera. We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it.

As you probably know, we're getting all kinds of memos from the RNC saying not to be critical there. Mark MacKinnon of McCain's campaign says he'll quit if they get critical over Obama.

This is the presidency of the United States you're talking about. I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose. They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It is fascinating to watch, and it's all going to stop if Hillary loses.

So yes, I'm asking to cross over and, if they can stomach it — I know it's a difficult thing to do to vote for a Clinton — but it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need. It would be fun, too."

http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=609&Itemid=113



http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3513.19


(B) When the right of a person to vote is challenged upon the ground set forth in division (A)(3) of this section, membership in or political affiliation with a political party shall be determined by the person’s statement, made under penalty of election falsification, that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote.




I

An Obama-Hater for Clinton, Temporarily
BY JASON HOROWITZ | MARCH 5, 2008 | T

Meet Todd Appelbaum, a 46-year-old from Columbus, who wore a shirt that says “Osama for Obama” to the Clinton campaign’s election-night event in Ohio last night.
The white t-shirt, with an image of Barack Obama dressed in traditional Somali garb, is adorned with a blue Hillary Clinton button, although Appelbaum is not what one would call a real Hillary Clinton supporter.
“I voted for Hillary today,” he said, “because I’m concerned that, God forbid, Barack Obama will beat McCain. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-hater-clinton-temporarily

6,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and voted Democratic in primary

Source: Plain Dealer

16,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and voted Democratic in primary
Sunday, March 09, 2008
Amanda Garrett
Plain Dealer Reporter

A staggering 16,000-plus Republicans in Cuyahoga County switched parties when they voted in last week's primary.

That includes 931 in Rocky River, 1,027 in Westlake and 1,142 in Strongsville. More than a third of the Republicans in Solon and Bay Village switched. Pepper Pike had the most dramatic change: just under half its Republicans became Democrats. And some of those who changed - it's difficult to say how many - could be in trouble with the law.

At least one member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections wants to investigate some Republicans who may have crossed party lines only to influence which Democrat would face presumed Republican nominee John McCain in November.


Those who crossed lines were supposed to sign a pledge card vowing allegiance to their new party...

-snip
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/120505162549970.xml&coll=2



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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:57 PM
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7. Meds not kick in? Who said that?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:54 AM
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20. OSU ELECTION LAW: PAY ATTENTION TO THE PROVISIONALS: (Allocation of delegates)
Sunday, March 9

Pay Attention to Provisionals

That's one piece of advice I'd give to both election officials and candidates this election season. This lesson emerged during the 2004 election, when the large number of provisional ballots cast in Ohio delayed the decision to call the state -- and thus the presidential race -- for President Bush. In Ohio's 2004 election, provisional ballots amounted to 2.8% of those cast, and an even higher percentage of the state's voters cast provisional ballots in 2006.

A large number of provisional ballots can indicate problems in a state's registration system. Also, to the extent a state relies heavily on provisional ballots, it's likely that some voters will be disenfranchised. Moreover, county-to-county discrepancies in the way provisional ballots are verified can alter the result of a close election -- and possibly lead to equal protection concerns.

To illustrate the impact of provisional ballots, I've been trying to find out the number and percentage of provisional ballots cast in Tuesday's primaries. So far, the Ohio Secretary of State's website doesn't appear to have this information. (As I mentioned Wednesday, it's important that this information be released as soon as possible.)

I have learned that a large number of provisional ballots were cast in Franklin County (Columbus area) on Tuesday. The total reported turnout was 299,688, but I'm told that there are approximately 20,000 additional provisional ballots that have yet to be verified or counted. If that's correct, it means that around 6.25% of Franklin County voters cast a provisional ballot. That's a lot.

-SNIP
A large number of provisional ballots could have consequences for the allocation of delegates, as I explained Thursday. Although the statewide result in Ohio's Democratic primary wasn't that close, a relatively small change within a couple of districts ould alter the delegate allocation. Take the 1st Congressional District (Cincinnati area), in which Senator Obama has 66,342 votes to Senator Clinton's 40,112. If Obama were to pick up a little over 500 votes, he'd gain a delegate and she'd lose one. What I don't yet know is how many outstanding provisional ballots there are in the two counties within CD 1 (Hamilton and Butler). If the percentage of provisional ballots is comparable to that in Franklin County, it's quite possible that the delegate allocation could change. The same goes for the counties within CD 17 (Summit, Portage, Trumball and Mahoning), where Senator Clinton could net-gain two delegates with a couple hundred more votes.


http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/blogs/tokaji/2008/03/pay-attention-to-provisionals.html
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:57 PM
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8. I wonder if Ohio
I wonder if Ohio will ever get it's act together? That seems like quite a few provisional ballots even for a state that size. Didn't they get a new secretary of state after Blackwell? We can only hope they get their act together before the general election.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:09 PM
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10. Those usually split pretty evenly
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:24 PM
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12. Why aren't they counted yet? Hey, by the way, what about those 80 precincts in New York without
any Obama votes cast in them. Whatever happened there?
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:27 AM
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17. I will wait in anticipation to the results
:kick:& RRRRRRR


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:27 AM
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23. Interesting...
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