Has Barack Apologized For The Race-Baiting From His Former Pastor?

[Danzo]

In the following video clip you'll hear the former pastor from Barack's Church saying "(I know why so many people hate Obama--because he's black)."

Sounds like race baiting to me. Yet to the best of my knowledge, Barack Obama hasn't offered ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES and apology. Despite that, Obama zealots including Keith Olberman HYPOCRITICALLY BERATE Hillary for not expressing ENOUGH regret at Geraldine Ferrara, despite the fact that I don't believe that Obama has offered ANY disapproval for his former Pastor claiming that people who hate Barack Obama are automatically RACIST.

The Obama camp shouldn't be throwing stones from their glass houses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs

[DearAbby]

1. Sounds like the truth....the very reason you are featuring this clip

is because you hate Obama, and why? Because he is black...what other reason can I think of?

[provis99]

4. no kidding. The OP uses race-baiting against a black man,

and then blames the black man. The Clinton campaign would be proud.

[dchill]

17. It's just sublime.

Isn't it?
:eyes:

[Danzo]

Get A Clue

He BASELESSLY accused those who don't like Obama of being RACIST?

Why is that concept so hard for you Obama zealots to understand?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

56. how many people posting here - are Christians and have perfect churches?

and worship God?

[DearAbby]

58. Same shit different day

The angry resentful black man. Same old terror fear tactic. But very subtle. These tactics are the same bullshit, as the photo of Obama in Somali native clothing...same shit different day

[BlackVelvet04]

8. it's the hypocrisy........n/t

[DearAbby]

15. Well sheeet maybe Obama should apologize for being half black

Seeing how Black people have had it soooooo great in this country for the last 300+ yrs.


Edit to add the :sarcasm: thingy....just in case :shrug:

[dchill]

18. He should definitely half-apologize.

:sarcasm: (to be safe)

[DearAbby]

26. snarf

::wipes nose::: I hate it when you snarf pepsi out the nose laughing :rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

57. How "Christ-like" these self professed critics are, aren't they?

its ironic to see the poison cloud that comes from the Klinton Klan,
all wrapped in the cloak of religion, isn't it.

[Danzo]

34. EXACTLY!

[Danzo]

48. Why Do I Hate Obama?

Poor voting attendance in Congress, a love of Reagan, HUGE support for anti-regulation business groups, dishonesty about his ties to lobbyists, support for racially divisive people, Rush-Limbaugh like pretentiousness in his speaking styles, his cowardice when Hillary challenged him to more debates, Obama getting only a 20% rating from the Humane Society...

But go ahead and keep slandering me by calling me a racist.

[Danger Mouse]

59. A love of Reagan...what bullshit.

[Kittycat]

61. Hate is a strong word

He doesn't LOVE reagan, he only pointed out the genius in his campaigning style in order to get indies & dems to cross over.

Also, he's already stated that he didn't support that view of his pastor. And in case you missed it... He stood in front of one of the most prominent black churches in the US and condemned such behavior (including the anti-gay behavior).

As for the debates, please don't make me laugh. Has Hillary agreed to his NC debate yet?

[Seeker30]

65. No, because Wright is racist towards whites

and its people like him that continue to divide this country, but thats ok to hypocrites like you.

[movonne]

2. And Gerry didn't say what she said...

[geek tragedy]

3. Another new poster using Fox News attacks on Obama

and his race.

Yawn.

[scheming daemons]

5. I'm all for a new rule that a new user gets no OPs until they have 500 posts....

Too much freeper invasion going on...

[DearAbby]

6. flying monkeys slinging shit to see what sticks n/t

[SaveOurDemocracy]

13. Kinda like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5070377&mesg_id=5070377

[DearAbby]

22. Jesus, not that shit again.....

I dont care what two consenting adults do. I see Obama has never opened that can of worms. He could've taken that low road. But we all know that what happens between two consenting adults is really none of our business, and it has absolutely nothing to do with HRC.

[dchill]

21. Too easy.

1000.

[Danzo]

33. Intolerance and personal attacks from you, FTL

I happen to think that it's wrong to BASELESSLY call people who don't like Barack Obama RACISTS.

Do you have a problem with that, buddy?

[jackson_dem]

7. The race card again. Where was Obama's race attacked? He was attacked for having a racist mentor

[geek tragedy]

10. Yes, angry black people are racist.

They should be grateful their ancestors were dragged over here in chains.

[jackson_dem]

20. Wright isn't a racist? Then who is? Oh yeah, Bill Clinton!

:eyes:

Keep playing the race card. :)

[anonymous171]

9. Was he on cable tv or a radio show?

[zulchzulu]

11. Actually thanks for that link to the speech. It was FANTASTIC!

Tell me what part of the speech is wrong. It was all true...sad, but true.

As for Geraldine Ferrara, her foot is still stuck in her piehole.

[Noirceuil]

12. Olbermann

If you're waiting for Keith Olbermann to do a "Special Comment" about Obama's refusal to denounce his hateful pastor or Obama's campaign manager, David Axelrod, blaming Hillary for the murder of Benazir Bhutto, you are going to be waiting a VERY LONG time.

[leftofcool]

24. That's for sure

Especially when General Electric writes your paycheck and you say what you are told to

[dchill]

25. Freep me baby!

:eyes:

[DearAbby]

32. When was this pastor on Hannity and Combs?

Good Morning America? 60 minutes, meet the press, any program? Ferraro was everywhere spewing her crap.

People had to go and scrounge for these snippets, PAY FOR THEM at the Church site to glean through them to find what they consider to be the most inflammatory statements.

People like you are doing the Fundies work for them, you remember, the people who are against equal rights for Gays, you know, the racists, sexist Neocons? I am sure they are grateful.

[Danzo]

38. Yeah, Like I Said

Olberman's an Obama zealot. And lately he's been an embarrassment to humankind.

[MattP]

14. Can anybody put all this together in one thread?

Why aren't all the posts about the same subject put in one thread, are there any mods here that can do that. I mean it would clean up this site and make it so alot of subjects don't just sink to the bottom.

[dchill]

28. "put all this together in one thread..."

then delete it.

[Mooney]

16. I had to watch that three times,

but I finally rubbed one out.

[Melinda]

19. Has Hillary Clinton apologized for her current spouse Bill Clinton's sexual immorality?

Just as fucking relevant. :eyes:

[Noirceuil]

31. Ummmm....no

If you can't see the difference between having your husband cheat on you and attending a hateful church where the pastor preaches that the government invented AIDS to kill black people and America is to blame for 9/11, then there isn't much I can say. What I do know is that John McCain and the moderates Obama will need to win see the difference and this will be featured in every RNC ad in every swing state. This guy is killing Obama.

[Melinda]

55. Ummm, yes....

1) Okay, I'll play along. My husband wasn't POTUS, and if he had cheated on me, it for damn sure wouldn't have cost US taxpayers 70+ million dollars. A marraige is a civil union wherein both parties bear responsibility for what happens within said union. She has yet to apologize for the nightmare that was the 1990's and part and parcel of their joint legacy.

Situational ethics are part and parcel of the Clinton's belief system, and as such they are famous for their parsing of "morality":

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

You, unlike the Clinton's, can't have it both ways.


Now, back to common sense based reality.

Barack Obama is not married to, nor related by blood to Wright. Barack Obama is a member of a BLACK U.C.C. church (Christian denomination of millions of members of all races) wherein Rev. Wright is installed as minister. Barack Obama does not, presumably write the Rev's. sermons, nor proof-read them, nor bear any PERSONAL responsibility for them. If it is as you say, we don't know that 1) BO was present during said sermon(s), or that 2) BO did not speak with Rev Wright about said alleged sermon(s).

I've seen it batted around that, and I quote you, "the pastor preaches". Really. Assuming he has made such utterances on more than one occasion, are you so egocentric to deny, or uneducated, or willfully ignorant to realize that the US Govt has committed a multitude of atrocities against Blacks and other minorities during the course of American history? For instance:

The Tuskegee Experiment — the 40-year study in which black men with syphilis were allowed to die untreated so that their cadavers could be used for research.

John Brown, a slave purchased in Georgia in the 1820s, whose owner, a doctor, blistered his legs and arms on a daily basis to see how deep his black skin went.

Dr. Marion Sims, a 19th-century gynecological pioneer, was only able to achieve his breakthroughs by performing horrific surgeries without anesthesia on his female slaves.

The forced sterilization of black women (what civil rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer plaintively called her “Mississippi appendectomy”) got its start during slavery, but has persisted in less overt forms in recent years.

A 1991 experiment that implanted the now-defunct birth control device Norplant into African American teenagers in Baltimore was applauded by some observers as a way to “reduce the underclass.”

A 1992 Columbia University study looking for a genetic link to violent behavior only recruited young black boys from poor neighborhoods in New York City. Researchers misled the parents, claiming their children were simply coming in for a series of tests and questions, when in fact they were given potentially risky doses of the same drug found in the Fen-Pfen weight loss pill.

Slavery. American genocide. These are not myths, these are realities.

You do not know how Rev. Wright thinks or feels. None of us on DU know his personal history. But regardless, Black and other people of colors historical experiences are culturally relevant to their belief system.

And what Obama thinks or feels about what his pastor has said, is between them, and none of our business.

Just like Hillary's experience with adultery should have remained between her and her husband. (you obviously missed that my post was and remains, rhetorical).

So ask Obama how he feels about this "issue" if you really, really want to know where he stands. But I just somehow don't think you really, really care at all.

Oh, and welcome to DU.


*edited to remove one reference as I've just learned of verification.

[DearAbby]

60. There are some people who believe 911 was an inside job

so yeah 911 could be blamed on the white elitist BFEE...There are some who believe that America, after over 50 yrs of dirty dealing, fecking around with the governments of foreign countries, ie Iran and the middle east caused the retaliatory action 911. Again who is in control of our government?

The government in our name, has lied us into wars, we now torture human beings...and you don't think these actions would piss off some people to do a 911 type attack? I am not condoning these actions. But hey. find a clue here.

I heard that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell blamed the Gays and people like me who support equal rights for gays, my tolerant attitude caused 911. Pastor Hagee Calls Catholics and their church most vile foul things. He Endorsed McCain...where is your fecking Post denouncing that bullshit? Hagee also says some pretty foul shit about the Jews and Israel. Where is your posts about that?

Tear down a fellow Democrat, Do the work for McCain and the Fundies why don't cha. Play the racist fear card...its the same thing as the photo of Obama in native Somali clothing, the playing the Muslim fear card...now its the playing the angry resentful black man card....put the fear in whitey.

Christ, this is soooo transparent

[Melinda]

23. Has Hillary Clinton apologized for her current spouse Bill Clinton's lying to America?

**Wagging finger at camera**

I did not have sex with that woman... Monica Lewinski

Just as fucking relevant.

[Melinda]

27. Has Hillary Clinton apologized for her current spouse Bill Clinton's perjury?

Just as fucking relevant.

[Melinda]

30. Has Hillary Clinton apologized for her brother Hugh Rodam's soliciting $$ for pardons?

Nope, but she did say this:

I knew nothing about my brother's involvement in these pardons. I knew nothing about his taking money for his involvement.

Where's the apology? Just as fucking relevant.

[bhikkhu]

29. "I apologize for everything that anyone I have ever know has ever said

that has caused offense to anybody".

Would that be sufficient?

Perhaps as there is some tendency for the words of Obama's associates, however distant, to be taken as his own, this could be the kind of all-inclusive blanket apology for all things known and unknown that some people seem to want...and we can all just feel better and get a good night's sleep.

[backscatter712]

35. He's already expressed his disagreement with Wright.

In a sane society, that would be enough.

[Danzo]

39. Hypocrisy Again

Hillary expressed her disagreement with FERRARA, but that wasn't enough for Olberman.

[backscatter712]

36. Why should Obama apologize.

He didn't make those statements, Wright did.

[Danzo]

40. It Goes Beyond That

Wright's been the pastor for 20 years, and Barack has attended the Church for 20 years, despite the repeated occasions where Wright has made bigoted statements.

[Gore1FL]

37. Is his former pastor a member of his campaign?

If not, what does he hae to apologize for?

[stolidus]

42. Yes. He is an official member of the campaign.

[Gore1FL]

46. Define official

and provide a link.

Thanks in advance.

[Danzo]

44. Barack's Tolerance For This Man's Bigotry

Like I said, 20 years of Wright being the Pastor; 20 years of Obama attending the Church, despite a history of bigoted statements by the Pastor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk

[Gore1FL]

45. So one speech in 20 years

is a reason Obama shouldn't attend?

This is the stuff that wasn't good enough for the last-resort kitchen sink attacks that ultimately didn't work.

[Danzo]

49. Kitchen Sink Attacks?

This is me expressing my opinion about Barack, his Pastor, hypocrisy, race baiting, etc.

I'm sorry if the act of expressing my opinion is unpleasant to you...

[Gore1FL]

51. It isn't offensive, but noce try to spin it on me.

If figured it was a Campaign talking point based on the number of posts.

The "kitchen sink" is the name given to the recent Clinton "jump the shark" attacks by the Clinton campaign itself. If you don't like the terminology, take it up with them.

The were ineffective and ultimately self-damaging. This ranks slightly below those in effectiveness.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

54. "1 speech in 20 years"...there are HUNDREDS of this mans speeches for sale by Rev Wright himself

[boppers]

41. On behalf of Obama, I apologize.

Racism stopped as of February 5th, 1972. Since then, there have been no nooses, no cross-burnings, no confederate flags, no need for discrimination lawsuits, no need for affirmative action, no forced bussing, it all went away.

Yay!

[Danzo]

50. LOL!

Another straw man, race card argument.

[boppers]

52. Can't tell if you're LOL'ing with me, or at me, and that's OK.

I just found it bizarre that people were accepting the idea that racism ended, so people couldn't possibly hate Obama for being black.

Conversely it would be like somebody saying that "Hillary is hated by misogynists", therefore, all Hillary-Haters are to be labeled misogynists.

At least, that seems to be the OP argument.

The piece of logic that seems to be missing is that Obama/Hillary haters are, by definition, haters, and thus reacting to something outside of logic.

[Hoof Hearted]

43. wont happen, he's his MENTOR.

[ProSense]

47. Leading black clergy group backing Obama

Leading black clergy group backing Obama

ABC's Ross reported Wright's 9-11 remarks -- but not that Obama disavowed them

Obama will be fine! Hillary's failed leadership skills were exposed in her handling of Ferraro's racist comments.

[barack the house]

53. Obama apparently did denounce him ages ago it's an oldstory made new.

[Jersey Devil]

62. Aaah Jeez!

plonk

[uponit7771]

63. What did Wright say that in that sermon that wasn't true!?!?!?!? Thank you in advance

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

64. wow, 177. that's a lot of posts from inside RNC HQ.

[blogslut]

66. How about you apologize for calling it race-baiting?

?