VIDEO of Jeremiah Wright saying the government lied about creating HIV to kill black people

[Herman Munster]

You said I was making this up. Here's the video proof from O'Rielly's show today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ38N8OUg3Q

[judaspriestess]

1. thank you for posting

let the spin begin

[leftofcool]

2. Hell, all the naysayers have to do is order the damn tape!

[DemBones DemBones]

29. Yes, the church itself sells them.

How could a Harvard-educated lawyer not see this coming back to bite his ass?

He's gone to the Rev's church for TWENTY YEARS, calls him his mentor, has him working
as a campaign advisor.

Is he TRYING to make McCain president?

[anonymous171]

3. O'reilly. Really.

Again, was Wright speaking as a representative of the Obama campaign? Does an endorsement mean everything that comes out of his mouth a message from the Obama campaign?

[loveangelc]

7. no, but the fact is, this is almost worse. what geraldine said was outrageous

and should be condemned. just like what this man says should be condemned. the fact is though, obama is very close with him, or has been. sadly this raises questions to a lot of voters.

[rodeodance]

50. What GF said was true. But in the midst of a political season not good. bad timing

[ruggerson]

51. I admire that you're doing this

because you're 100% correct and the fact that some here don't understand how explosive this is completely baffles me.

[goldcanyonaz]

4. Wow.

[Thurston Howell III]

5. The only things I could see that was out landish was the Aids thing

and a couple of other things. But the rest was fine. No WMDs, etc.

[leftofcool]

15. I guess the humping part got pulled

[Bobbieo]

27. Why is there so much hatred in certain segments of religion??

I see it in most of the fundamentalist sects. Why?? I am an agnostic and religion never enters my mind, yet I do not consider myself to be a bad person because I am not religious. Why can't people just live and let live?

[DemBones DemBones]

54. Human nature. There is a lot of hatred

among atheists and agnostics, too, usually against theists.

I don't doubt that you're a good person, plenty of atheists and agnostics are. I'm a practicing Catholic and my closest friend is an atheist. In her actions, she is a better Christian than many Christians, though she stopped believing years ago. She doesn't
hate religion per se, only the hateful forms, as you do, and as I do.

Live and let live is a good policy, as long as somebody else's idea of living doesn't interfere with your rights. It's too bad it's not practiced more.

"Hate nothing at all except hatred" = Bob Dylan

[intheflow]

63. This denomination is one of the most liberal Christian denominations in the country.

It is not a sect and has deep roots in American politics. No less than 13 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Congregationalists (the denomination that eventually became the United Church of Christ), including John and Samuel Adams, and John Hancock. A historically (and still predominantly) white, privileged denomination, they worked for abolition, women's rights, accessible health care and prison reform. Today the UCC church preaches fervently in favor of peace (opposing the Iraq war), working on anti-racism (deconstructing white privilege), in favor of restorative justice, in favor of economic equality, in favor of green (ecological) ideals, in favor of GLBT marriage, and in favor of a liberation theology (the idea that God gave each individual inherent worth and thus humanity is entitled to live free of tyranny). This is not a fundamentalist religion.

You're confusing an oratory style with theology; Wright's father was a Baptist minister, so his preaching style has been influenced by that evangelicalism (which is not the same as fundamentalism) and the black church experience. Please do not confuse the preaching style with the message. This man is a bona fide bleeding heart liberal. The fact that he is also Christian, black and a fiery preacher should not be held against him, imo.


Other famous UCCs:
(Current)
Howard Dean (Chair of the DNC)
James Jeffords (US Senator, Independent, one of 23 senators to vote against invading Iraq)
Andrew Young (US ambassador to the UN 1977-79, close friend of MLK)
Pat Schroeder (12 term Representative from CO, longest serving woman in the House)
...among others

(Historic)
Harriet Beecher Stowe
Thomas Edison
John Milton
Hubert Humphrey
...among others

[musicblind]

72. Please do not judge all religion by

the misguided, angry, hateful few. We are not all like that. Many in religion agree with you. Religion is about finding personal comfort, structure and ways to express and experience love. Religion should never ever ever be about hate. I am openly gay, liberal as all get out, yet I am also a proud Christian. I have my own personal take on the Bible and how I interpret it. I think if you look at the New Testament verses the Old Testament and look at what Jesus himself preached, not some of the commentary that is attached to it, many Christians would find that Jesus would be shocked at the way they have twisted his ideas of love and acceptace to become hate and intolerance. A real Christian loves everyone, a real Christian would allow gay marriage, a new Christian does NOT judge because it is not his right. Many say "I don't judge them, I just hate the sin and not the sinner." No, that is not cool, you cannot hate anything and you cannot determine, imho, what the sin is because that is judge. We should love everyone, and if something is not right, that will be explained to that person later on by God. And I believe that God will be kind about that too. I believe that God is a loving God, not a hateful one.

Sorry for the random rant, lol. People who use religion for hateful purposes or to serve their own fears, discrimination, etc... those people make me very sad. Please don't think that we are all that way.

[ProSense]

6. Whoa!

I saw white people in the audience!

The government lied about a lot of things. They lied about Iraq, caused the death of more than one million Iraqis.

[rodeodance]

33. The OP topic is on AIDS. try to stay focused.

[ProSense]

45. Your canned response didn't take this into account: "The government lied about a lot of things." n/t

[rodeodance]

46. too bad. You are still wondering of the topic. as teachers say to the kids. stay on task please.

[ProSense]

52. Too bad you didn't watch or understand the video. F! n/t

[rodeodance]

56. you do have a problem of straying of course. tsk tsk

[C_U_L8R]

8. That's a pretty funny tape

Now what part is untrue?

[grantcart]

53. well I guess the part that said he was retired lol

[pocoloco]

9. Damn, I didn't know that! Who was president...Raygun??

That's hard to believe alright, but Rev Wright is exactly right about everything else in the video!!

[geek tragedy]

10. Guilt by association! Guilt by association!

Hillbots are O'Reillybots.

[rodeodance]

25. How soon you little brain forgets about G. Fererro!!

[formernaderite]

71. look as much as I like Obama

he did write about his close relationship to Wright in his first book, and I got no inkling that the guy was a looney toon. This is a political season...everything, and everyone you associate with is a picture of who you are. Maybe us atheists are always bothered a lot more by inflammatory religious types..but Wright seems to use his pulpit to "educate" the congregation. We'll see if this hurts Obama in the upcoming states. I will be pretty pissed off if this grows as an issue and we get stuck with Hillary.

[AlCzervik]

11. Did anyone here see "The origin of Aids" on sundance? Anybody?

http://www.aidsorigins.com/

And Really Herman are you printing out your threads and filining them under "Spank bank"?

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

next thing you'll tell me the govt gave syphallis to black veterans

That would be totally unbelievable!!!

How could a black man in his 60s think the govt would intentionally give African Americans STDs?

[rodeodance]

17. You are distracting from the OP--go start another thread if you want to talk about that topic

[AlCzervik]

19. who made you the pope of this dump?

[rodeodance]

24. It is very Rovian of you to change to subject matter.

[AlCzervik]

26. you just need a hug.

:loveya:

[DemBones DemBones]

23. You seem to think that happened. Got proof?

[Straight Shooter]

64. I don't think they "gave" syphillis to black veterans.

I think the program you're referring to is where they claimed to give treatment but didn't actually treat them, so the medical scientists could chart the course of the disease if left untreated. It was totally vile, just as it was vile to allow women in factories to work with radioactive chemicals to give watches "glow in the dark" hands. Many of those women developed cancer in the neck region and died of it. By the way, at the time those women were painting on the chemicals, those who were in charge knew they were deadly carcinogens.

There are many things our government and our country's industry have done to citizens over the years, and military personnel have not been spared, either. Maybe you remember the LSD experiments the government conducted on military men.

Sorry I don't have a link for these events, the bookmark is on my former computer and I haven't transferred all my bookmarks to my new computer.

[rodeodance]

12. I did not doubt you HM. You have been a very credible poster.

[kwenu]

13. Jeremiah Wright is not running for president. Obama has been clear on his stance regarding Wright.

Admit it. Wright is being used to try to attack Obama because you have no legitimate beef with him. You're stretching to make an argument and if no other presidential candidate has ever been held responsible for what his pastor says why are some people trying to make Obama the first? Why is Obama being expected to answer for things never asked of other candidates?

[rodeodance]

20. ADMIT IT---Ferrrero was USED to attack Hillary. GF was not a candidate.

[kwenu]

38. Yeah. Obama put Ferrero up to flapping her gums in order to get at Hillary.

:eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

48. Pay attention. The MEDIA took one sentence out of

a lot of things Ferraro said and used that to try to smear HRC, who obviously did not say
it.

The MEDIA have smeared HRC for 16 years, without being able to destroy her.

Now the media, which had been treating Obama as the heir apparent, a veritable Messiah,
have scented the blood in the water around him. They could have brought out all this stuff about his mentor/pastor earlier but they want the Dems to nominate a loser.

The media are paid to play for the GOP, always.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

70. Um, I've read Ferraro's statements.

All of them. And it wasn't taken out of context. Quite franly the statement looks even nastier with the additional context.

[moxie_1]

31. Because Obama calls this man his spiritual mentor.

It's a reflection on Obama's judgment of character.

[DemBones DemBones]

37. Exactly, and that's why he'll lose to McCain. We need HRC to win!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[moxie_1]

67. Thanks. : )

[musicblind]

75. Hey welcome to DU!

I'm newer around here too. Since January, but this is an AWESOME place! Don't let the infighting in GD: P keep you from it. The Late Breaking News and General forums are awesome to read and keep up with the world as well :)

[DemBones DemBones]

32. Obama has gone to his church for TWENTY YEARS,

listening to his sermons, and he has him working on his campaign as an advisor.

No way will most Americans vote for Obama with his ties to this guy, who is tied to Farrakhan and Qadafi.

IF BO is the nominee, the Greens will do very well and McCain will win.

[DemBones DemBones]

62. Obama has called him his mentor and close friend and

gone to his church for TWENTY YEARS! That's why people are paying attention to these
tapes, which the church itself sells.

Obama knows the kind of sermons the man preaches and somehow thought he could just
say they "don't agree on everything" and everything would be cool.

[loveangelc]

14. the "bill did us just like he did monica lewisnky" *does pelvic thrusts* was kind of funny...

and kind of disturbing. Ihave never seen a pastor...do that...

[leftofcool]

18. Not funny if Obama has his daughters in church

or other children for that matter

[loveangelc]

21. you're right, I hadn't thought of that.

I'm sure most children know about sex by the age they're actually paying attention to a preacher though.

[leftofcool]

39. And that makes it okay?

I am sure Obama supporters will find it acceptable

[loveangelc]

49. you're right. i find it unacceptable if kids are waching that.

[DemBones DemBones]

41. They shouldn't see that sort of thing in church

and most parents don't demonstrate pelvic thrusts when they talk about sex with their
kids. People figure out technique by instinct or reading books.

Think they'd show that on TV before 10 p.m.? TV is getting laxer and laxer but still,
pelvic thrusts from a preacher in church?

[loveangelc]

47. yeah you're right. I would feel uncomfortable if I were in that church, and I'm in my 20's

this preacher seems like the type of preacher who would have a scandal for getting a mistress pregnant tbh.

[DemBones DemBones]

58. Imagine having a 4-8 year-old child with you and seeing that.

As a mom, I'd have had words with that "reverend" about his act.

Kids should be taught about sex from an early age and be taught about it in a positive
way, so they never think of it as something dirty, but that doesn't mean they should be
told all the intimate details. Something should be left for them to discover themselves.

If they saw their minister making pelvic thrusts during church, they'd want to know what
that was all about, and it sounds as if he made it look and sound dirty.

[maddiejoan]

34. It was all very "Def Comedy Jam"

wasn't it?

[CookCountyResident]

35. Does it bother anybody else

that this pastor rants on about politics and yet there is no clamor for this church to be investigated for violations of 501(c)3 non-profit regs regarding churches' non-profit status?

[leftofcool]

40. I think there is an investigation now

[DemBones DemBones]

42. Yes, I think he has probably violated the law.

Go, IRS!

:popcorn:

[loveangelc]

43. There are soooooooo many churches that make political statements though.

on both sides. they should have to investigate every church almost.

[redstate_democrat]

16. Hmmm

I happen to agree with Mr. Wright on a lot of that. "How's that?" in the words of Geraldine Ferraro. lol.

I especially liked when he said there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and no connection between al quada and sadam. Turns out to be true. Go figure.

[zulchzulu]

22. Is Obama in the video? Didn't think so....

Do you have any links of Jeremiah Wright taking a shit?

If you have any GE products nearby and are using them, then you must like making bombs to kill babies.

[rodeodance]

28. kinda like Ferrero never stood next to Clinton yet she was guilty. yup

[maddiejoan]

36. Yeah

but they are both outspoken women with political aspirations (past and present)

So --like --they are the same person!

[DemBones DemBones]

60. HELLO, Obama's been going to his church for TWENTY YEARS, and calls

him a close friend and his mentor. He can't claim to know he didn't know the sort
of things the man said.

[rodeodance]

30. REC

[jackson_dem]

44. Obama ironically can't now say: "They are JUST WORDS"

:rofl:

[David Dunham]

55. Obama donated $25,000 to Wright's church last year. That's a lot.

[jackson_dem]

57. Well, maybe he can say "Just money"?

:shrug:

[DemBones DemBones]

59. True! This should be interesting. The part

that amazes me is that the church sells tapes of the rev's sermons so how could Obama
ever think all this would not be seen?

:popcorn:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

65. he's a bonehead :D...niters friend..I ready to face plant the keyboard

sleep well

[bridgit]

61. Yea Verily!! An offering of mass hysteria, be most aware of false prophets...

and they made rich with the passing of a plate filled with money, hate, and excuses

[Danger Mouse]

66. Looks like you'll have to wait 24 hours to post more hate.

:hi:

[David Zephyr]

68. Herman Munstser with "black people" in the title of his thread...once again.

You've got two of your three today on race...again.

[MethuenProgressive]

78. David Zephyr: "Barack Obama Isn't Being Tested. White Americans Are Being Tested."

:hi:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5077780&mesg_id=5078054

[Jawja]

69. Wright was wrong about

the government creating AIDS to kill black people. The Government actually created AIDS as a weapon, and they tested it on homosexuals in America injecting it into the Gay population through a hepatitis B vaccine. The case could be made, since it was spread in Haiti and Africa through vaccines as well, that it was also tested on black people.

This theory has been out there for awhile.

[indimuse]

73. I saw about 6 swift-boat ads in that clip!

this is bad!!!

[michaz]

74. Who cares?! This man is not part of this campaign team.

He is a pastor of a church. Who believes everything their pastor or priest says. Give this a rest!!

[mema42]

76. He is on a campaign Committee

He is on a campaign committe, at least he was, I presume he still is.

[MethuenProgressive]

77. "Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_committee.html