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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:41 AM
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The Press v. Barack Obama: Fear and Loathing in ‘08
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:24 AM by McCamy Taylor
Intro

If you haven’t read Hunter S. Thompson’s Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72 do so. While you are reading, keep in mind that Thompson wrote and published his installments for The Rolling Stone as events were unfolding that year, so he did not know the reason for the strange, bizarre, catastrophic occurrences that befell the Democratic Party. Whenever he sensed that anything was wrong, he blamed it on Humphrey—-the way that Pat Buchanan, Dick Nixon and CREEP wanted him to.

From Pat Buchanan’s dirty trick handbook, strategy number one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/stories/buchananmemo.htm
The preparation of attacks on one Democrat by another


If you do not have time for that, here is a short document that lists the attacks that CREEP launched against Muskie in 1972 to force him out of the primary. Note that it includes forging documents in which he smears his opponents, uses slurs against key voting blocks. It is likely that the drug use which Thompson describes is from drugs that CREEP secretly slipped to him. CREEP did not simply make him cry. They committed a series of crimes against him that sent Segretti to jail.

http://www.woodstockjournal.com/elections.html

Here are list of players in Nixon's 1972 campaign. Note that Karl Rove studied under Lee Atawater:

http://www.gopdirtytricks.blogspot.com/

Now that you are in the proper mind frame---scared, paranoid, filled with dread because an observer as astute as the Great Doctor Gonzo could not see what was happening around him---now you can go on and read this journal.

It is easier to see what is happening this time, because Karl Rove does not think of his own ideas. He is no Pat Buchanan. He is a magpie, who thieves from others. Faced with the need to steal yet another election, he decided to use the 1972 strategy. The plan is simple. Use dirty tricks involving his old buddies in the press to drive out the Muskie—-Edwards—and pit the McGovern---Obama and the Humphrey---Hillary---at each others throats while keeping them neck and neck, neither of them with the necessary number of delegates needed to lock up the nomination before the convention. Using the GOP machine in Florida to deprive the Democrats of Florida’s delegation was a stroke of genius, since it meant no one would have enough votes. At the convention, the supporters of the last two candidates standing are supposed to be so infuriated by all of the dirty tricks that Rove’s operatives have played---smears against one candidate that have been attributed by the press to the opponent---that they will tear each other into a bloody pulp. The Republican nominee will find it easy to dispatch whatever is left over from the conflict.

That is what happened in 1972. That is what the RNC hopes to see happen again.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0811,374100,374100,2.html/1

In Hillary and the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy: The strange case of conservative pundits and their love for Barack Obama Wayne Barrett records the political columnists and pundits---George Will, Bill Kristol, Rush Limbaugh among others---who, inexplicably spent much of last year lauding Obama. Why would they do that? He has been ranked the “most liberal Senator” by the National Journal . Maybe it is just that they hate Hillary? If that is so, why did their unrelenting praise turn to criticism early this year as Obama’s star began to rise. Time after time, Barrett documents this same pattern, without drawing any conclusion, except to say that the praise by conservative pundits probably helped Obama get some Republican votes in early primaries and the recent change may help Hillary.

The pattern he describes is consistent with my theory. When Obama was down in the polls, he needed support to build him up as a contender. When he surpassed Hillary and appeared to be on the verge of winning the race before the convention---bye, bye Brokered Democratic Convention---the right wing had to scramble to cut him back down to the size of the artificially reduced Hillary. In my journals about the biased election coverage at MSNBC you can see the same trend. The very day that Obama passed Hillary in delegates, Chris Matthews suddenly began cheering for her to make a come back.

Complicating the picture is the fact that McCain was not supposed to be the Republican nominee. Rudi was the man---until his devil’s pact with Roger Aisles was revealed. Since he had sold his soul to NewsCorp, he was suddenly unacceptable to the rest of the corporate media which sank his campaign faster than the Titanic. While Rudi was a good match up for Obama---he would not hesitate to use dirty campaign tricks to exploit Obama’s weaknesses and Rudi didn’t vote for the war either---McCain and Obama may not be the GOP’s ideal match up. McCain is not good at dirty tricks. They rebound on him. And McCain is particularly vulnerable on the war---Obama’s strongest point. Therefore, even though Rove obviously selected Obama to be his McGovern last year, this year, he may be having a little buyer’s remorse. We will have to see.

Ok, on to the good (or bad) stuff. The dirty tricks. Note. My second journal in this series will document all the really nasty stuff that people like Rush and Savage and O'Reilly have been saying. So, if that is what you are looking for, you will have to wait. This one covers the attempt to disrupt the 2008 Democratic Primary, which I consider the dirtiest trick of all. You expect your opponent to slime you in the general. You do not expect the opposition to slime you in the primary--and blame the other Democrat. But it happened in 1972, and it is happening again this year.


I. Operation Attack Obama and Blame Hillary

The recipe for this dirty trick is very simple. Have some right wing tool like Bob Novak announce that he knows for a fact that Hillary Clinton has dirt on Obama. Then have some right wing propaganda site say something libelous about Obama---and claim that Hillary made them do it. Then sit back while the corporate media gives the story weeks of overblown exposure---not because they believe that there is anything wrong with Obama. Oh no! They just want to find out why Hillary is spreading these awful stories!

There is an almost mythic quality to these attacks. Or a ritual quality, like Black Magic.

Step One: The Warning:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200612190010
“On the December 17 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources, San Francisco Chronicle columnist Debra Saunders claimed the "Clinton machine" would sling "mud" at Obama:
SAUNDERS: I think the other thing that people are waiting for is they're wondering what kind of mud the Clinton machine is going to churn out on Barack Obama, and they're waiting to see -- for the mud fight. That's what I'm waiting to watch.”


http://mediamatters.org/items/200701030007
Bay Buchanan on CNN 1-2007 makes similar “warning”

http://mediamatters.org/items/200701040011

NOVAK: Well, I think every reasonable person has to suspect. I don't have any evidence of this; I'd like to have some. It would be a very good story.
But I will tell you this, that people in the Democratic Party say that if, as he begins to really be a serious threat to Senator Clinton -- and I think Senator Obama is definitely going to run. All my sources in Illinois said that decision has been made. If he looks like he is a serious threat to her, watch out below, because the Clintons will do anything to win this nomination.


Step Two: The Smear

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background
Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.


The problem with this story is that Insight is a Moonie owned journal, and we all know which party the Moonies support. Also, there is nothing in the article that could not have been gleaned from Obama’s own autobiographies, internet articles like this one in Salon from 2004 by Scott Turow
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/03/30/obama/index.html
from 2004
The new face of the Democratic Party -- and America
Barack Obama has come to graceful terms with his mixed-race heritage. Now, as he runs for the U.S. Senate in Illinois, he's connecting with voters across the color spectrum.
By Scott Turow
His parents met as college students in 1960. His father, also named Barack Obama, was from Kenya's Luo tribe, the first African exchange student at the University of Hawaii. His mother, Anna, had gone to Hawaii from Kansas with her parents. Even in Hawaii's polyglot culture a black and white couple remained at best an oddity in 1961, when Obama was born; at the time miscegenation was still a crime in many states. Nor was Obama Sr.'s marriage welcomed in Kenya. Under those pressures, Obama's father departed when Barack was 2 to pursue his Ph.D. at Harvard, leaving his son with mother and grandparents. When Obama was 6, Anna remarried. Her new husband was Lolo, an Indonesian oil company manager, and the new family moved to Djakarta, where Obama's sister Maya was born. (Obama describes her looks as those "of a Latin queen.")
After two years in a Muslim school,


And the liberal application of lies that turned “two years in a Muslim school” into four years in a madrassa.

Note that this right wing smear piece by Debbie Schlussel appeared before the Insight story and contained much of the same information (except that she does not turn 2 years into 4 years), making it a more likely source for the story.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html

Here is what wikipedia says about Insight and the madrassa smear, in which the MSM kept asking the question Is Obama a Muslim? and stating as certainty Hillary is a Bitch who used dirty trick!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insight_(magazine)
Insight (formerly Insight on the News) is an American conservative Internet magazine owned by News World Communications, identified by Columbia Journalism Review as "the media arm of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church"

“On January 17, 2007, Insight published what would quickly come to be known among journalists and media experts as "the first anonymous smear" of the 2008 U.S. presidential election campaign, and as a "double smear" on two of its candidates.”

“Ten days after the Insight story broke, ABC News quoted Norman Ornstein of the conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute saying "There's now almost a predictable process here. People have learned how to get things covered, even when they shouldn't be covered...You either start with a revelation in the Drudge Report or Insight magazine, then that gets picked up by the New York Post or The Wall Street Journal and Fox News and by the blogs, and before long there's enough noise out there and enough buzz that comes from it that everybody from The New York Times to The Washington Post to the network news broadcasts decide they have to cover it. And it doesn't matter if it's true or not."


Here is the Media Matters summary of the madrassa smear story.http://mediamatters.org/items/200701300007

Step 3. The Phony Resolution
The Corporate Press eventually backs off, admitting that the smear against Obama was a lie but leaving open the possibility that Hillary the Bitch really planted the story in the right wing site.

Here are a bunch of links you can check out if you want to be offended:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701200003
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701220002
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701250001
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701250006

ABC Jake Tapper at it again.

On the morning of January 25, on the front page of ABC News' website, a headline read: "Madrassa Madness: Was Hillary Behind Obama Smear?" below pictures of Democratic Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY) and Barack Obama (IL), despite the fact that the article to which the headline links notes that the accusation that Clinton is responsible for the smear "remains unproven and unsubstantiated."


http://mediamatters.org/items/200701260014

Excellent summary of the MSM’s attempts to paint Obama as a Muslim Terrorist—and blame Hillary the Bitch as of the end of January 2007. Pattern among reporters is to bring up the issue of his middle name or his father’s religion and then ask who is bringing it up, is it his political opponents etc.

In recent interviews, CNN host Anderson Cooper and NBC News chief White House correspondent David Gregory both asked presumptive 2008 presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) how his political "opponents" or "enemies" would attempt to use his middle name, Hussein, against him. Cooper also asked how Obama's "opponents" would use Obama's "father's religious background." Additionally, Cooper, Gregory, and CNN host Soledad O'Brien all asked Obama about the discredited smear that as a child Obama attended a madrassa -- a radical Muslim school. In their questions, Cooper, Gregory, and O'Brien did not name any of these "opponents." Indeed, by framing the questions in terms of political "opponents," they ignored the role of the media -- including CNN and MSNBC -- in promoting these story lines and, in cases, even originating them.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200702070013

This story just goes on and on. It will be revived later.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200706130008
It is summer and Insight is now claiming that it never said Obama attended a madrassa. It now says it was saying that Hillary was doing research to show that he went to a madrassa and that the LA Time and the New York Sun confirmed this—but they did not.


For an excellent summary of the many right wing attacks on Obama in just the first three months of 2007, check out this Media Matters article:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011

In recent months, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) has been the target of attacks, smears, and innuendo throughout the media. He has been called a Muslim who attended a madrassa and has heard his Christian church in Chicago accused of having a "separatist" doctrine that "contradicts the basic tenets of Christianity"; he has been accused of lying about issues he first addressed in 1995; the media have misrepresented or ignored his past statements to accuse him of dishonesty; he has fended off baseless accusations of scandals; and he has heard playground insults mocking his name and has even listened to media figures question his racial identity.


It is a huge list. As I mention above, some of the worst mainstream media attacks have come in the form of repeated mentions of the debunked “madrassa” story which the press kept resurrecting under the pretense of asking “who wrote it”. Duh! Insight wrote it. The Moonies wrote it! It smeared both Democratic front runners very effectively. I am sure that Insight’s editors’ bosses gave them big bonuses.

II. Operation Attack Obama and Blame Hillary Redux

Fall was in the air in November, 2007. Time for Bob Novak to start spouting off again.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711200001
Bob Novak wrote a column linked here http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23467
and then appeared of Fox claiming that a neutral Democrat was told by someone in the Clinton campaign that Hillary has scandalous info on Obama but wasn’t going to release it yet. If you believe that, I have some used FEMA trailers to sell you real cheap.

From the November 19 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
STEVE DOOCY (co-host): Thanks for joining us on this Monday morning. Is Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign hiding damaging dirt about Barack Obama? A recent column got quite a reaction, even from Obama himself.
BRIAN KILMEADE (co-host): We now have an exclusive interview with the man who wrote that article, syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor Robert Novak. Bob, welcome back. Again, controversy surrounding -- surrounding one of your columns -- which is good -- using one of your sources. What did you write, and what caused such a reaction?
NOVAK: I wrote that the Clinton campaign had injected into the Democratic political bloodstream a report that they had derogatory, scandalous information about Barack Obama, but were not going to put it out because it would hurt the Democratic Party and probably hurt Senator Clinton if that information was out. But they thought my source, who is a well-known Democrat, but neutral so far, but they thought he should know about this information. I then checked with another source who is neutral and said he had heard the same thing from Clinton -- Clinton people.
This is – this is very similar to the kind of tricks that Richard Nixon used to pull, where he would say, "I know some very bad information about the Communist-supporting <1972 Democratic presidential candidate> George McGovern, but I can't put that out because it wouldn't be right, but I'm just too good of a guy." Now, what -- whether there is any such scandalous information, I don't know. But what I know is I'm confident in my sources, who I trust, were told this by Clinton people that there was such information out.
From the November 19 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse:
HILL: There is trouble on the campaign trail after a report surfaced in Robert Novak's column that said that team Hillary had some, quote, "scandalous information" on her rival, Barack Obama, but wasn't releasing it -- yet. Obama is calling on Clinton to come clean about it, but her team is denying the charge, saying Obama is falling victim to a right-wing trick.
Major Garrett is live in Knoxville, Iowa. Major, Obama's impression might leave some -- reaction, that is, might leave some with the impression that he might, perhaps, could have something to hide. I mean, if you're coming out that strongly instead of just sort of blowing it off and saying, "What is she talking about?" is that a risk?


Bob Novak is a disgrace to the name of journalist. He makes up gossip and then sits back to watch the sparks fly. What is Obama supposed to do. Novak as good as said “Obama has a skeleton in his closet.”

Actually, Obama should have confronted Novak about the story—or else ignored it as right wing divide and conquer politics. Blaming Hillary in front of the MSM was exactly the kind of response that Karl Rove and the RNC were looking for. It showed them that the Obama campaign—which had resisted the impulse to blame Hillary for the Insight smear the year before---was now primed to react the way that the McGovern campaign acted to CREEP’s dirty tricks in 1972. They would blame them all on their Democratic opponents, either out of political inexperience or paranoia—it should be noted that one Clinton volunteer had been fired for forwarding an email about Obama’s possibly Muslim ties in Iowa--- or through a short sighted opportunism since they were now in the primary season.
This signaled that it was time to start full scale operations.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200711200006

CNN’s Beck changed Novak’s story—said Novak’s story came from Hillary’s campaign
He also highlighted Obama’s angry response.

Remember how I said that Insights madrassa story would never die?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802757.html?hpid=topnews
ON THE DEMOCRATIC FRONT
Foes Use Obama's Muslim Ties to Fuel Rumors About Him
By Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 29, 2007; Page A01
In his speeches and often on the Internet, the part of Sen. Barack Obama's biography that gets the most attention is not his race but his connections to the Muslim world.
Since declaring his candidacy for president in February, Obama, a member of a congregation of the United Church of Christ in Chicago, has had to address assertions that he is a Muslim or that he had received training in Islam in Indonesia, where he lived from ages 6 to 10. While his father was an atheist and his mother did not practice religion, Obama's stepfather did occasionally attend services at a mosque there.
Despite his denials, rumors and e-mails circulating on the Internet continue to allege that Obama (D-Ill.) is a Muslim, a "Muslim plant" in a conspiracy against America, and that, if elected president, he would take the oath of office using a Koran, rather than a Bible, as did Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), the only Muslim in Congress, when he was sworn in earlier this year.


Note the title. It bashes Hillary and Obama. This is no hit piece planted by Hillary.

Here is the Media Matters debunking of the story:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200711290005
In a November 29 front-page article on how Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "has had to address assertions that he is a Muslim or that he had received training in Islam in Indonesia, where he lived from ages 6 to 10," Washington Post staff writer Perry Bacon Jr. reported that an "early rumor about Obama's faith came from Insight, a conservative online magazine. The Insight article said Obama had 'spent at least four years in a so-called madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia' " . But rather than citing the investigative reports by CNN, the Associated Press, and ABC News conclusively debunking the smear, or providing his own reporting on whether the school Obama attended was, in fact, a madrassa, Bacon reported only that "Obama denied the rumor." CBSNews.com featured the Post article as the top story on its home page during the afternoon of November 29. Beneath a picture of Obama, the headline read "Obama Dogged By Muslim Rumors," with the accompanying text: "Washington Post: Foes Use Candidate's Muslim Ties To Fuel Speculation About His Faith."


Obama has been slimed again, this time near the start of the primaries. And, because of Novak and Beck, Hillary Clinton has been blamed for the slime. No doubt countless members of the left wing of the Democratic Party were convinced that the information which Hillary had was this recycled garbage from January. Since Iowa voters hate dirty tricks, the immediate result would be to damage Hillary before the caucuses and boost Obama. The long term result would be to damage Obama in the general election by making a large number of voters familiar or comfortable with the Big Lie Obama is Muslim Terrorist And we all know what happens when you repeat a lie often enough.

III. Operation Attack Obama and Blame Hillary Let’s Do It Again!

Here is something that I will bet that few of you remember. A solid year before Billy Shaheen said a word about drugs, the Washington Post printed this smear piece about Obama around the same time that Insight was smearing him about the madrassa. It was also about the same time John Solomon was doing his John Edwards is a phony series about the hair, house and money, so I can see how people forgot it. But I just think we ought to be clear about who actually started this campaign of innuendo culled from Obama's book about his past drug experimentation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201359.html

Effect of Obama's Candor Remains to Be Seen
Senator Admitted Trying Cocaine in a Memoir Written 11 Years Ago
By Lois Romano
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 3, 2007; Page A01
Long before the national media spotlight began to shine on every twist and turn of his life's journey, Barack Obama had this to say about himself: "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high push questions of who I was out of my mind."
Snip
In the book, Obama acknowledges that he used cocaine as a high school student but rejected heroin. "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though," he says.


That same day Same Jan 3, 2007 Fox Hannity and Colmes take the story to TV to discuss his drug use in a round about way—by claiming Hillary broke the story—without proof.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701040011
HANNITY: Hang on a second. The Clinton-Obama -- well, but the timing is interesting, that this was highlighted. You know, the Clinton-Obama differences show up yesterday. Today, it's Obama's past can be a big issue. Why do I suspect, Bob Novak, although I have no proof whatsoever, that dirty political tricks, leaking damaging information at a time where he is ascending quite rapidly? Do you suspect that might be possible?
NOVAK: Well, I think every reasonable person has to suspect. I don't have any evidence of this; I'd like to have some. It would be a very good story.
But I will tell you this, that people in the Democratic Party say that if, as he begins to really be a serious threat to Senator Clinton -- and I think Senator Obama is definitely going to run. All my sources in Illinois said that decision has been made. If he looks like he is a serious threat to her, watch out below, because the Clintons will do anything to win this nomination.
Is this what passes for journalism in this country? “It would be a very good story.” “I don’t have any evidence.. I will run my mouth off just so I can spread rumors about Obama snorting coke and Hillary being a bitch.” As you can see, using material that was obtained from Obama’s own best selling autobiography, the MSM put together a story package that they used for another combined Obama/Hillary hit back in January, 2007.


OK, back to the fall of 2007 and primary season .

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/12/post_235.html

The press was on a roll. When the husband of former New Hampshire governor and U.S. Senate candidate Jeanne Shaheen, Clinton campaign New Hampshire co-chairman Billy Shaheen did the unforgivable and suggested that her campaign explore his history of drug use which he described freely in his best selling autobiographies, he was swiftly booted from the campaign and his remarks were rejected as not reflecting Clinton policy.

That did not stop the MSM from seizing upon this opportunity to talk about something that they had long wanted to rant about----Obama’s history of drug use. Those who think that Clinton taught Machiavelli everything he knows will say that she did it deliberately, knowing that the press would use it as an excuse to talk about his drug history for weeks on end. However, a cunning campaigner would attribute the smear to some one else--the way that Rove is doing. And how on earth could Hillary force some one like the husband of a former governor and current senate candidate to put his wife’s political career in jeopardy by making a statement in order to play agent provocateur? A nameless campaign aid, maybe. Not Mr. Jeanne Shaheen.

Chris Tweety Matthews was the corporate whore who sprang to action to turn this isolated incident into a major offensive in the RNC’s war on the Democratic Primary. I guess he just couldn’t wait to have an “All Obama, All Coke” show during which he repeated things like “Do things go better with Coke?” and repeatedly asked guests Axelrod, Penn and Trippi to speculate about Obama’s drug use, did he sell drugs, did he share drugs. Media matters has the transcript of his interview with Penn. Matthews kept attempting to question Penn about Obama’s drug use, a topic Penn obviously did not want to discuss but which Matthews was not about to let go. Finally, instead of “drugs”, Penn says “cocaine” (Obama’s autobiography mentions cocaine) and Trippi gets mad---if you watch the interview it sort of seems like he is more mad at Matthews for making them talk about a stupid topic like Obama’s youthful drug experimentation when they could be spending the time talking about the issues.

But later, Tweety and then the whole line up at MSNBC concocts a smear that Penn came onto the show and out of nowhere, like someone suffering from a weird form of Tourettes, just blurts out “cocaine” and begins smearing Obama. Never mind that Tweety invited all three guys on the show and would let them talk about nothing but Obama and drugs. In the world according to Matthews, Penn came onto his show and introduced the Big Lie Obama uses Drugs

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712140011
Here O’Donnell participates in the Big Lie (and Media Matters explains it). Transcript of the line of questioning that Penn endured before he said the fateful word is included.

The New York Times repeated the distortion/smear against Penn
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/us/politics/14clinton.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1205338199-dcsbT+i/GUKY+11y+mfplA&oref=slogin

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712170004
Tweety used the previous day’s drug fest and the use of the word Cocaine (twice by Penn, many more times by him) as an excuse to say the word cocaine again and again and talk about (the RNC approved Big Lies) Obama’s drug use and Hillary’s dirty trick. Graphic had title “Low Blow?” In this way, he was able to take what should have been a passing thing and turn it into a major issue---before Matthews was through every American was going to associate Barack Obama with “cocaine”. This video is recommended viewing!

“Matthews also further distorted Penn's remarks, claiming that Penn "says, 'Barack Obama called my candidate disingenuous, so I'll suggest he's a drug dealer. That's not exactly even-steven." But Penn never used the term "drug dealer" during the December 13 Hardball, and his reference to drugs came directly in response to Matthews' question about whether "going after his perhaps youthful drug use" is an "appropriate shot[] at the opponent or ... below the belt."’


Have your outrage handy as Matthews and Scarborough attempt a Divide and Conquer Tour du Force. Or Farce.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712220005
Summary: Chris Matthews introduced the "Hot Topic" for the December 20 edition of Hardball: "Is the Hillary Clinton campaign trying to obliterate Obama's candidacy? Not just beat it, but strangle it in the crib before there's any chance he catches on?" Matthews used imagery of Clinton murdering an infant Obama several times during the show, including saying that "the goal is to smother the young senator in his crib."
MATTHEWS:. Let's talk about this fight here. My conjecture here, which I opened the show with, was the Clintons believe they've got to stop Obama early. They want sudden infant crib death, is what they want. They want this guy to die before Iowa. And they are unleashing everybody they've got, everybody who wants -- every meal ticket they've got, everybody that wants to be a cabinet member, a VP, a staffer. They're all out there -- Bob Kerrey , Vilsack, Billy Shaheen, Mark Penn, Phil Singer.
Everybody's got a job in mind, and they're willing to put the knife in this guy in the crib to get that job. Is that too strong a language, Joe Scarborough?
JOE SCARBOROUGH (MSNBC anchor): No, it's not, because if she wins Iowa, she walks toward the nomination. The problem is, they're trying too hard. I can't help but go back -- and I know you were there, too, Chris -- in 2004 in Iowa, and you had all these people shipped in from out of state and it ended up making the Iowans just roll their eyes and toss Howard Dean to the side and go with John Kerry.
No, I think actually the person who is damaged goods right now is Hillary Clinton. If you look at the latest NBC poll, which shows that Obama does much better in general election match-ups, and Hillary's negatives are above her positives now.
MATTHEWS: Let me go to the question of tactics here. She is using things like having AFSCME -- the union, the federal, the state and county employees -- put out a letter that looked like it came from John Edwards, apparently, attacking Obama, so that she gets the knife into Obama without her fingerprints on it.
<...>
MATTHEWS: Will she continue -- Andrea, you first. Will she continue to have surrogates drop these little poison pills in the public reservoir of public opinion?
MITCHELL: Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: Hussein, Muslim, blah, blah, blah, coke, all kinds of stuff. Will they continue to drop these poisons in the water?
MITCHELL: I think it will continue to be this kind of tough, nasty campaign


You got that, right? Hillary is a bitch. And Obama is a cokehead Muslim terrorist but he is also a baby who can not take care of himself. Of course, in the Democratic Iowa primary, all they will care about is the dirty politics that Hillary stands accused of, so this kind of talk helps prop up Obama (the Brokered Democratic Convention strategy) while softening him up for the general, where issues like drug use and religion actually matter to the voters.

Jonathan Alter also repeated the Matthews lie about how Penn brought up Obama’s drug use by saying “cocaine” on Hardball . Matthews brought it up later when he lied that three Clinton staffers had used the word “cocaine”---only Penn used the word, and he did not bring up the subject. Shaheen who brought up the subject, did not use the word. And BET founder Robert Johnson was never a staffer, and billionaire endorsers are notoriously hard to rein in. David Schuster had the audacity to lie about it to Penn’s face in an interview.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802070002

When Tweety finally got his comeuppance no one noticed. Please watch.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801240011

Tweety rambled on with his lies, talking about how the Clintons were putting Obama back in the streets. He seemed to be referring to Pat Buchanan’s theory about ghettoizing Obama (which you can read here http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/ghettoizing_barack.html but you really shouldn’t, because Buchanan is the reason we are in this mess in the first place) a nasty piece of Divide and Conquer propaganda. He repeats his tired old lie about how three Clinton surrogates have used the words cocaine.

Note that the guest tells Tweety that he was the one who was harping on cocaine on that first show. Saying things like “Do things go better with coke?” The guest is obviously implying that Matthews is full of it and Tweety says at the end of the interview:
MATTHEWS: Yeah, you're right. You're right. You caught me there.

Priceless.

If Pat Buchanan is the Lord of Lies, Chris Matthews is the Devil’s Little Helper.

IV. Operation Interject Race into the Race: Tweety Did It First

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews is a trend setter among mainstream media pundits. According to Media Matters MSNBC host Chris Matthews -- not a Republican operative -- was apparently the first to mention Obama's middle name as a possible political issue. On the November 7, 2006, edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Matthews said: "You know, it's interesting that Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein. That will be interesting down the road, won't it?"

And in the wake of Obama’s loss to Clinton in New Hampshire, Matthews is the one who precipitated the equivalent of a political race riot with his (in my opinion) deliberately Divide and Conquer comments.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/01/10/matthews-lectures-forked-tongue-paleface-bigots-new-england
Matthews declared he thought this was over in 2006: "I thought white voters had stopped being what they want to be. And you know what it tells me? People aren't proud of who they are." Host Joe Scarborough, asking Matthews to address the alleged bigotry in New England, drew out Matthews, the former top aide to Boston-area Rep. Tip O’Neill, to denounce the whole Boston area: "There's different kinds of prejudice, as you know, in the north than there is in the south, but it exists. It may not be ‘I think I'm better than you,’ but it might be ‘I don't want to live next door to you.’"


He said this on national television repeatedly, so that as many people as possible could hear him. He created quite a stir at DU, where people drank the kool aid and accused New Hampshire citizens of being racists. He also hinted broadly that the vote in that state had been hacked----prompting Kucinich to call for a recount that further increase the hostility between the Obama and Clinton camps.

Here is why I think that Matthews—and his mentor Buchanan---were full of shit. Like me, they come from Irish-American families. Now, I have never been to New England, being a southern gal, but when I saw the results in New Hampshire, I thought Irish American Matriarchy There are a lot of Irish in New Hampshire. Irish women are strong and they like strong women. Not only will they be inclined to vote for another strong woman, they will be disinclined to trust a male politician with their reproductive freedom, since men have probably sold them out before for the sake of political expediency. If given the choice between a man who may bargain away their rights for some cause he feels is more important and a woman for whom reproductive rights is of the utmost importance, an Irish American Democratic woman is going to choose the woman.

Tweety and Buchanan know politics better than I do. I am an observer, a hobbyist. They have worked in the field. If it was obvious to me, it was double obvious to them. Tweety was lying through his teeth.

And boy did the lie catch on.

Here is a must read article from Media Matters that documents the way that the corporate media committed one of its atrocities---changing Bill Clinton’s comment about Obama’s war policy to a comment about his campaign. They did this in order to propel two lies that the right wing wanted spread One, Obama is incompetent and of course the timeless classic Hillary is a bitch .

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801120001
Included in the Media Matters above is a critique of this Bob Herbert Divide and Conquer piece below that uses the stealth approach of “Hillary said it” to get out the message that
”Obama is an incompetent cokehead Muslim”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/opinion/12herbert.html?ex=1357880400&en=822a8b22f6498a64&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Op-Ed Columnist
Of Hope and Politics
By BOB HERBERT
Published: January 12, 2008
I could also sense how hard the Clinton camp was working to undermine Senator Obama’s main theme, that a campaign based on hope and healing could unify, rather than further polarize, the country.
So there was the former president chastising the press for the way it was covering the Obama campaign and saying of Mr. Obama’s effort: “The whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen.”
And there was Mrs. Clinton telling the country we don’t need “false hopes,” and taking cheap shots at, of all people, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
We’d already seen Clinton surrogates trying to implant the false idea that Mr. Obama might be a Muslim, and perhaps a drug dealer to boot. It struck me that the prediction of so many commentators that Senator Obama was about to run away with the nomination, and bury the Clintons in the process, was the real fairy tale.


Only this is what Clinton said was a fairy tale:
"Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since.'
Give me a break.

"This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."


Now, unless someone wants to claim that Obama is running for “the president of I didn’t vote for the war” the way that Rudi was running for “the president of 9/11”, I do not think that Clinton called his campaign a fairy tale. But the MSM spread that rumor just as hard and as fast as it could—and called it racist, even though fairy tales come from Europe.

Notice that MSNBC could not wait to propel the Big Lie “Obama is Incompetent.” Here is Howard Fineman saying something much worse that what the press claimed Clinton said:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801160014
During MSNBC's coverage following the January 15 Democratic presidential candidates debate in Las Vegas, Newsweek chief political correspondent Howard Fineman asserted, "What saves Obama is that he's such a likable guy that even when he's admitting that he can't manage his way out of a paper bag while he's running for president of the United States, everybody likes him." In fact, while Obama did discuss a statement he made that appeared in a January 14 Reno Gazette-Journal article in which he said that he is "not an operating officer," he did not "admit" during the debate that he "can't manage his way out of a paper bag."


It makes you wonder why the Obama camp does not attack the corporate media with the same ferocity that they attack the Clinton camp. The MSM is wildly unpopular with the Democratic Party. A few swift jabs at some of these SOBs would show that Obama is a fighter who knows whom the true enemy of the people is. If he is worried that he will make the press dislike him, it is too late. The press is already engaged in a major smear operation. More on that in the next journal, but let's just say that the so called "liberal press" is already favoring McCain over him at every turn.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/is-bill-clinton.html
Here is ABC trying to stir up trouble asking Obama in public if Bill Clinton is “getting inside his head claiming Obama lost his cool (he did not). The implication again is Obama is incompetent. He is a novice who can not handle the Big Dog. Be sure to watch the video. Obama puts the reporter in his place without ever losing his cool. Obama can handle himself just fine. However, the press is the one that is starting to lose it. They are showing their true colors.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801250008
Summary: On CNN's The Situation Room, Wolf Blitzer and correspondent Brian Todd aired a video clip of Michelle Obama's August 16, 2007, comment, "So our view is that if you can't run your own house, you certainly can't run the White House," falsely suggesting that she had recently made the comment in the context of exchanges between the presidential campaigns of Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. The remark, Blitzer suggested, showed Michelle Obama going "toe to toe with the former President Bill Clinton."


This is a common tactic from the tabloid press that the MSM has begun to use. Take some old news and recycle it if the real men and women will not do what you want them to do. The Obama camp is not getting hysterical enough about the engineered “feud”? Then make them look angry. Make Michelle Obama look like someone who would sling mud.

In my journals about Hillary Clinton I document how the New York Times and others repeatedly misquoted Hillary’s remarks about JFK and LBJ to make it appear that she was comparing herself to MLK Jr when she was really comparing herself to LBJ and Obama to JFK (no racial overtones there). Again, another media lie used to fuel the war which helped Obama mobilize African-American support in South Carolina---important for the Rovian plan in light of Hillary’s win in New Hampshire. Obama had be propelled forward and making him appear to be the target of a racial smear and Hillary appear to be the victim was the perfect way to even up the contest for the RNC. Obama himself could not accomplish anything like this---no Democrat has this kind of control over the media. Only the Bush administration, with the power of the FCC can influence journalists to this degree. And I have not even mentioned what the right wing media was up to during all this----that will be discussed in part two of this journal.

After Hillary’s win in California, Bob Novak jumped in again to claim that the Bradley effect was to blame for Obama’s loss. He also tried to incite a little Black-Hispanic anger.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802110009

V. Operation Hillary Put Obama in a Dress

Will it never end? Drudge shows a picture of Obama wearing some African Tribal garments. Drudge says that Hillary made them do it. Obama says the equivalent of “Damn you Hillary!” The MSM rubs its hands in glee. The Republican Party is as pleased as punch.

Just another wild and crazy episode of the 2008 Democratic Primary. It would funny if the lives of our soldiers and millions of Iraqi civilians were not on the line. As the Democratic candidates’ reputations take a beating, John McCain eases that much closer to the White House.

Here is a link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=518585&in_page_id=1811

We have Rush Limbaugh pouring oil on the fire:

We had Michelle Obama, who was in Zanesville, Ohio, talking to a bunch of people that live there. The income, average income, is below the national average. So is the education level. And Michelle Obama is telling them, don't go into corporate America. Don't be -- she specified two things: Don't become a corporate lawyer and don't become a hedge-fund operator.
Now, Hillary was a corporate lawyer, and Chelsea is in the hedge-fund business. I think that Michelle Obama is seething over the attacks that the Clintons have made against her husband with that photo with, you know, the -- Obama looking like Ayman Zawahiri, all of this talk about his middle name and so forth.
I think this was Michelle Obama with a womb-to-womb frontal attack on Hillary Clinton, and I think Hillary Clinton's seething. I think she knows this. I know most men probably would not pick this up, but this is juicy. It is -- it is just too good.


Can we get some sanity?

VI. Operation If You Want to Know Obama’s Religious Beliefs Ask Hillary

Seriously, why are people even asking her? How would she know? Here is Media Matters attempting to be the voice of reason. However, as plenty of Obama supporters have shown, “as far as I know” is now the new, officially accepted slang for “yes” all across America. I am guessing they will update the on-line dictionaries soon.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803040012

Actually, we all know that Hillary answered the question “Of course not”. When she was badgered (asked the question the second time as if the interviewer was asking her for proof), she replied “No, no” The “as far as I know” was not a coy nudge, nudge wink wink comment. It was an aggressive chin squared, eyes opened wide and staring straight ahead confrontational response. You are just going to have to take me at my word, Why do you keep questioning me? comment. Her final comment which is so often cut out was

No, not at all. I mean, obviously, I've been the subject of scurrilous rumors for years, and, you know, it's hard to get them to go away and they, you know, they just keep coming back. And you know, I really sympathize with Senator Obama. It is -- it's -- you know, it's disturbing to turn around and see this all the time. And, you know, obviously, I hope that people get beyond it and ignore it.


This is offered as her reason for not believing the rumors. Hillary knows all about the right wing conspiracy and the way that it smears Democrats. She knows better than to believe what she reads on Drudge.

Unfortunately, some people do not have her years of experience. And some who have years of experience like Howard Fineman, will pretend to believe anything. He calls Hillary Nixonian. It is positively---Nixonian.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803050001

I hope I have demonstrated the pattern. Some right wing figure announces the coming of the smear. Usually it is Bob Novak. I guess that makes him the Fallen Angel Gabriel who got kicked out of Heaven for drunkenness. Then the smear arrives on Drudge or some Moonie owned paper. So Drudge is the Great Whore of Babylon and the smear is the AntiChrist if we want to keep up the mythic motif. The corporate media begins talking about the Baby Smear incessantly. Since the smear is the Son of the Lord of Lies, it feeds on rumor and distortion---MSM specialties--so it grows until it is a great big Behemoth Smear that everyone in the country has heard about. The press always assumes that Hillary the Bitch must have spread it-- just because. Not proof is ever required. If it is a matter of interpretation of the nuance of some remark, anyone---a blind, deaf non English speaking septuagenarian in Tibet can declare that it is a slur for poorly articulated reasons---and everyone in the press will exclaim in unison "It is a smear. Hallelujah!" Whether or not the contents of the smear about Obama are deemed true, the press discusses those details endlessly so that the public is left with the impression that there must be some story there. The smear is usually about some issue that will hurt him more in the general than in the primary---drugs, religion, things like that. Note that whenever the two sides declare a truce, someone at CNN or MSNBC will pull up an interview that was recorded before the truce or an article from months ago and print or air it in order to give the appearance that the truce has been broken again.

This is how you cause chaos and panic in the Democratic primary. Obama’s camp lives under the awful fear that they are under attack by the more politically savvy Clinton camp. The Clinton camp is scornful that the Obama camp does not understand the true nature of the attacks----or maybe the Clinton camp suspects that the Obama camp is pretending to be offended in order to portray itself as the victim to get more votes. This makes the Clinton camp angry and fearful. Both sides hate each others guts. Formerly sane left wing journalists are writing crap (see my fourth "Press v. Hillary Clinton" journal) in which they cite "smears" by Hillary against Obama that were debunked months ago. Anyone who remembers 1972 recognizes the pattern, the way that CREEP had Democrats fighting among themselves so fiercely that many of them considered Humphrey a greater evil than Richard Nixon. Humphrey a greater evil than Nixon!----

"But Hillary really is worse than Nixon", some Democrats are thinking in response.

Meanwhile, Karl Rove and the RNC are laughing all the way to their own primary.

Note that the above lies and smears are just a tiny fraction of the stories that have been circulating about Obama over the course of the last year. Most of the real dirt has been pushed by the right wing media to its Republican listeners. Part II of The Press v. Obama will cover the general election smears which the right wing corporate media (and sometimes the MSM) has been waging against him in parallel with the campaign I describe above.

Remember, Divide and Conquer is the RNC's number one strategy, and Solidarity is our strength. Either we stand together or we die together.

Great thanks as usual to Media Matters, the voice of sanity in the insane world of gossip and propaganda that calls itself journalism in America.















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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:54 AM
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1. Masterful post - a must read.
I am sitting here with a smile as all things become clear, even in the wreckage of another evening in the GDP. Read it twice, whoever your candidate is.
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DeanDem10 Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:27 PM
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26. Masterful, indeed
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:27 PM by DeanDem10
Thank you McCamy for another superb and exceptionally researched and written post. Simply awesome. Worth reading every single word....
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:55 AM
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2. K/R 5!
I thank you for your time to do all of that research!
:hi:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:02 AM
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3. Thanks for the hard work.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:03 AM by wlucinda
Bookmarking to read more thoroughly in the morning.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:06 AM
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4. Bob Novak, Matt Drudge, Jake Tapper, and the MSNBC Mafia...
seem to be the kingpins in pushing the propaganda.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:55 AM
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7. I think you may be right, but add in Fox News, too. They are educating the faithful
right wing of all the smears that the Republicans want to start spreading about Obama when the general election starts. I will start working on that one tomorrow. I had no idea that Fox has been portraying him as such a hippie liberal drug snorting unAmerican, Castro loving Muslim terrorist wimp crook for so long. This is exactly how they did McGovern in 1972. What amazes me is how they have managed to keep the smear that the right wing viewers are seeing under wraps so that the Democratic voters do not see it. I had no clue. I thought that Republicans were all getting a nice picture of him. I can not imagine why they have been voting for him. The RW shills are as shameless towards him as they are towards Hillary.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:46 AM
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5. 2008 Primaries -
Most Valuable Post, imo!

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:54 AM
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6. I don't agree with it just happy to see a Clinton piece that is well
thought out and researched k and r
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:54 AM
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13. Agree?
This is not an opinion piece.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:56 AM
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14. of course it's an opinion piece
The OP is basing his opinion on his interpretation of facts.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:38 AM
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18. and a damn fine one
Well researched, cogent, insightful -and most of all, prescient.

Possibly the best bit of analysis this forum's seen in 2007-08.

Even the most partisan among us has to give the OP major props.

K&R
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:03 AM
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23. so you prefer to continue to claim Hillary is behind everything? - OK
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:45 PM
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28. That's right.
Obamites want to blame HRC for everything that is bad. :eyes:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:58 PM
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40. In 1972 one of the dirty tricks was CREEP moles in the Dem camps.
So we have no idea how many people in the Obama camp are really working for the RNC. Since he has a lot of people who are "new" to politics, they would not have to present resumes---that would make it extremely easy for Rove to infiltrate his operation.

Before blaming Obama, we should consider that he might be the victim of some Buchanan style dirty tricks. A couple of months ago, I began to suspect that he had RNC or Rove moles in his campaign, because of some of the counter productive things that were happening. I was hoping Kennedy would help, but he doesn't appear to have done squat except leech off Obama's "hipness". If Obama hooked up with Hillary, I will bet that Bill could tell who the counter productive people are.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:22 PM
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43. Pathetic isn't it.
Democratic Underground should be shut down right now with the exception of this thread. Everyone who is posting as I type in one of those stupid "Its all Hillary's fault" threads should be forced to read this and then given a test.

After that, anyone who continues who blame everything on Hillary should be labeled a disruptor and not a Democrat and be kicked off of DU.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:12 AM
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8. Excellent. I still would like to know why Jesse Jackson Jr and others
helped the MSM in playing the race card against Hillary? People here are still blaming her for that.

He waited too long to say the Clintons weren't doing it and it was tepid at best. He also referred to the dress picture pre-Mississippi. He has embraced this, he has profited from it.

I don't see him as the victim.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:11 AM
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20. I agree -- the delay in responding was very transparent.
and proof that he did not represent change. I was undecided until that week. Since he was campaigning on "change" and didn't deliver when it would have been right thing to do -- he lost me and many others. Poor judgement.

The subsequent revelations about Rezko, and his affiliation with the vitriol espoused by Rev Wright merely confirmed his profound lack of judgment.
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doeadeer Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:28 AM
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9. Right On!
Hillary has actually *attacked* Obama very little.

Like the photo? Drudge of the Drudge Report said it was a Clinton staffer that passed it along.

Why should we believe Drudge? He is a far righter who consistently attacked Bill and Hillary as soon as he started his blog and really hates them. I doubt that has changed. He'd love to pin something on Hillary.

The problem with all this is that Obama has claimed again and again that Hillary has attacked him, so he believes it. And he continues to say it, and it builds up all this Hillary Hate that is undeserved. And, frankly I am finding it more and more unnerving too. It's like bloggers want to lynch her. I don't like seeing this degree of hate toward a woman. Most of the racist hate I see toward Obama is right wing, not left.

Yes, she questions his experience. They have voted 98% the same so they have to define themselves differently from each other to offer the voters a choice. And they are in a hot contest against each other.

I wish Obama would read your post.

At this point, though, I think it serves Obama to paint Hillary as an attacker.

I must admit that seriously ticks me off.

I am familiar with Rove tactics too, and I've been able to see some of this happening. Like the part of the video that was cut off when she answered no to thinking if Obama was a Muslim. I only found the rest of it later and I was floored that they had clipped that part off.

I must admit, I've been thinking all along it's been Obama himself slanting things. Distorting things.

I will now have to rethink this. Though I do think he does take total advantage of painting her as an attacker. And, as a feminist, I have already voted for Hillary, I do think she is better prepared to be President and handle Republican smears.

Very, very insightful. Thank you!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:01 AM
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10. The thing is these attacks hurt Obama, too---in the long run, in the general election.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 05:02 AM by McCamy Taylor
For instance, with the madrassa story that Insight attributed to Hillary, if the story had simply been dismissed as a Moonie lie, it would have been dropped and vanished from sight in a day, because CNN was able to debunk it easily.

Because the MSM pundits had the slant---was Hillary conspiring with Rev. Moon to smear Obama?---to pretend to pursue, the could keep talking about Obama's supposed Muslim upbringing for weeks. That got the idea firmly planted in the nation's consciousness just as he was announcing. On issues like drug use, religion, inexperience too much attention to these topics would do Obama serious harm in the general.

Attempting to exploit these scandals in the short run for Democratic sympathy votes is a November loser's strategy. If anyone in Obama's camp has suggested it, I would consider that person to be more concerned for the Republican Party's well being than Obama's Remember that people with impeccable Democratic credentials can be blackmailed thanks to AT&T and warrantless wiretap.


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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:14 AM
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11. "Attempting to exploit these scandals in the short run
for Democratic sympathy votes is a November loser's strategy. "

I couldn't agree more but that is what Obama's campaign has done. He used whatever the MSM and Rove were doing to profit in this primary season. He instigated a good deal of it.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:48 PM
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30. The Bloggers and Air "Anti" America Radio are ready to lynch..
her.

Kos, Huff, Buzzflash, Josh Marshall, Randi Rhodes, and the rest of the left wing mob have proven to be just as bas as their right wing counterparts.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:50 AM
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12. Wow!
Just. Wow!

Thanks so much for this!

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:08 AM
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15. yesterday i was wondering where are GHWB's covert hands in the hell he publicly promised to give
hillary if she dared as much to run for the presidency of the united states. mention of lee attwater, karl rove, the fox news machine, tweety matthews who sallivates for the bushes and all of that ... is, in my mind at least, like a trail leading to those covert hands.

sort of like the woman who, after finding possible traces of her husband's infidelity in their car, one day told her therapist that, "now i really know that my husband is cheating on me. today i found no traces of his cheating on me in the car."

well, sort of like a bad analogy ... maybe. no direct link to the elder bush's hands being involved in this hell the press is giving hillary...but all the crumbs out there (which i see all of the links in your piece as) seem to really point to .... yes...the man who promised to give hillary hell. the connections are there, anyhow.

and, yes, in the end he may get his objective: divide and conquer. obama is allowing himself to be used as a pawn in the bush/attwater/rove playbook. race is the bait being used to divide and conquer. he probably thinks that this divisive race-baiting campaign will open the doors of the white house to the oval office for him.

i, for one, will not be swayed into voting for baracka obama no matter what ... and on a replay of hillary's Q and A session with blackjournalists a couple of days ago, someone asked her what she would do to united the people (blacks i think the questioner said, or meant) who are voting for baracka obama hoping to see the first black president in the white house if she, indeed, happens to be the nominee. hillary's answer was basically something like whoever gets the nomination is going to have work to do to united the party. "i too have lots of people who have voted for me and barack obama will need their vote if he happens to be the nominee." in my estimation that was a brilliant answer, and one that probably many blacks and people on this board did not like. she was essentially saying don't count me out. she was also saying once a nominee is elected the democrats will be united in their fight to defeat the republicans.

well, hillary can count this democrat out and those democrats around this democrat as well, if baracka happens to be the nominee. we will not vote for baracka obama and we will not be intimidated into doing so.

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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:21 AM
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16. Once again, thanks! K&R
If more voters put even a fraction of their time into research that you do... we'd all be in a much better place right now.

You are becoming my fave blogroll! One of the first places I look each morning.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:27 AM
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17. "claim that Hillary made them do it."
Heads up kids -and keep your eyes on the prize.
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:32 AM
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19. FALSE FLAG ALERT- Don't forget Chicago 1968
I think the emotional state of everyone will be at such a crescendo come the Denver Covention in August, that things will be ripe for some agents provocateur action. You know, the "it all started when somebody threw a bottle at the police", ala Chicago DNC 1968 and WTO Seattle 1999. I expect tens of thousands of people in Denver, probably more Obama supporters than Hillary supporters, but volatile nonetheless. The false flag activity will ramp up on the second day. There will be convenient media reports of "protesters from each camp getting into shouting matches", and "reports of violence". It will build up to the point where there will be full-blown riots, police against protesters, Hillary supporters against Obama supporters, and the media will be there to lap it all up. The neocons might even stage a small bomb attack and blame it on Obama supporters. AVOID DENVER AT ALL COSTS. IF YOU DO GO, DO NOT JOIN ANY GATHERINGS AND STAY OUT OF THE POLICE'S WAY.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:42 AM
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21. K&R This deserves to be on the Greatest Threads page.
If Karl Rove read gd;p he'd probably be laughing with glee.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:43 PM
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27. The RNC has people posting on DU
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:32 PM
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31. which ones?
Mr. Taylor, which posters do you think work for the RNC?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:27 PM
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33. Look for poor grammar, inane mockery and low IQ
;)
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:25 PM
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49. Hmmm, thanks
I would think those people would be just your run-of-the mill Limbaugh types, like the ones who crossed over in OH and TX because they thought it was funny. I was wondering if he might have suspected some of the older, more lucid posters.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:13 AM
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22. K & R
:thumbsup:
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MidwestPerspective Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:11 AM
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24. Obama is part of Generation Jones, Hillary a Boomer...which explains much
Lots of great stuff here, thanks for the read. I think the generational context for much of the above is fascinating. Relevantly, there is a growing consensus in the media, and among experts, that Obama is not a Boomer, nor an Xer, but instead is a member of Generation Jones (born 1954-1965, the heretofore lost generation between the Boomers and Xers).

Just in the last month or so, several top media outlets, including The New York Times, Newsweek Magazine, and NBC, have all made the argument that Obama is specifically part of Generation Jones. I also heard a panel of generations experts recently on a national radio show discussing this specific issue, and four of the five experts conlcuded that Obama is, in fact, a GenerationJoneser…that his bio and political worldview closely match the GenJones archetype.

If Obama would publicly identify himself as part of GenJones, he would potentially benefit enormously by winning more votes from members of this long-ignored and huge (29% of the electorate!) generation.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:48 PM
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29. Generation Jones? Obama probably is a Gen X, because he arrived in the US in the 70s.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:52 PM by McCamy Taylor
so he didn't start getting used to U.S. culture---our crass materialism, our strident individualism, our arrogance and all our other characteristics---until the 70s. He missed out on the 1960s altogether. That may be why he does not really recognize the 1972 strategy the way that I do although I am only two years older than him. I followed Watergate closely---I was a Watergate junkie. He would have had other interests. International concerns.

Living through the 1960s is the important defining characteristic for Baby Boomers and these Gen Jones that you describe. The 1960s completely formed my character. I was who I am now by the time I was 5-7, growing up seeing images of police turning firehoses on children and women in Alabama and JFK and then MLK Jr killed, I had no doubt which side was in the right and which side was in the wrong. It made politics/history/anthropology fascinating to me even as a child--as it did to lots of children back then. There was no apolitical for urban kids in the 60s.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:58 PM
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50. I was born in 72 and am Canadian
So it's all water under my bridge. I agree with your hypothosis that Rove is following the 72 playbook. It makkes a lotta sense.

Buchanan had a hand in 72? Wow, I'm only familiar with Pat Buchanan through reading antiwar.com over the last 5 years. He may be slime, but he's not stupid slime. He's definitely not geopolitically retarded, like most Americans.
http://antiwar.com/pat/

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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:46 PM
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25. K and R
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:12 PM
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32. In and out of the Matrix
Mr. Taylor, I have read most of your posts and it has completely changed my outlook on this election. I guess I suspected the "Dirty Tricks" play, but I was still enraged at the Clintons, for several reasons. One is, shouldn't they know better, given their poltical backgrounds, that this possibly might all be a setup? They should have called it as such, on national TV maybe. Two, instead, Hillary accused Obama of being the one to use "dirty tricks" and referenced him to Rove. Rove certainly didn't stick his hand up her butt and make her say that. Nor did he do the same to Howard Wolfson, who accused Obama of essentially being Ken Starr. Nor did Rove make her put out the "3 A.M." ad (or did he?). I guess all I'm saying is, while I certainly believe you about the Nixonist strategies being employed, the Clintons surely aren't doing anything about it. And it is working as you have already pointed out. I dunno, am I missing something? Shouldn't all of this be glaringly obvious to the Clintons? Also, Terry McCauliffe was on the Bill Maher show about a week ago and I got the impression that he thought all of this was ok. Maher basically asked him, "Isn't all this fighting back and forth hurtful to the Democratic Party?". McCauliffe replied that this primary was bringing in more voters and money at record levels, and he hardly thought that it was hurtful. I got the distinct impression from him that he had no clue what was going on and was slightly amused by it.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:49 PM
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38. The press laughs when the Clintons talk about RW conspiracies. It needs to be Obama AND Hillary.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 06:50 PM by McCamy Taylor
Seriously. If she came out and said it, I can just see the panel. Fineman, Matthews, Buchanan, even Maddow. Maddow would say that Clinton was using the RW conspiracy to cover up her own dirty tricks. Matthews would second her. Buchanan would say that the two sides have been throwing mud. Fineman would make some joke about how Hillary thinks everything is a conspiracy and remind everyone that Nixon got paranoid towards the end.

Then they would start psychoanalyzing Hillary again.

Hillary and Obama need to come out together and say it. If it isn't the two of them--with some Dems of impeccable character and judgment behind them---the press will laugh itself silly.

You know that the press can not stand criticism. Some members of the press like Bill Moyers would help a lot.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:04 PM
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41. So right regarding Hillary - your work is fantastic.
Now, it just needs to be understood.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:58 AM
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53. Why should Hillary stand by Obama to criticize the press now? He stood by
and let her be trashed and profited from it. Now he is in deep doo doo and you expect Hillary to rally round?

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doeadeer Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:10 AM
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58. Yeah, they would call her a nut.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:00 AM by doeadeer
I remember when she mentioned a "vast right wing" conspiracy in the last year of Bill's Presidency.

A bunch of out here listening nodded our heads, uh huh, and knew exactly what she was talkng about.

It went over the rest of Democrats heads and the right made fun of her. She had to do some fancy stepping to recover and she never said it again, as I recall. But it was a "I know and you know" type of thing.

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doeadeer Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:22 AM
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59. Actually...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:01 AM by doeadeer
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:55 PM
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34. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
So I'll give it another :kick:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:15 PM
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35. MT you had me at Hunter Thompson. Stopped reading your brilliant piece to K & R.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 06:16 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
:kick:

:applause:

on edit, I am now returning to finishing yet another thought provoking, richly researched post of yours. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:31 PM
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36. masterful is the word of the day
I generally don't read long posts like that. I skim.

I made an exception for this one today.

:applause:
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:37 PM
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37. Congrats on a very rare post lately: 1.) worth reading and 2.) worth digesting. Thanks! (nt)
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:53 PM
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39. Next installment---the right wing's smear designed to hurt Obama in the general election--is up
Here it is. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5083398

And there will have to be a third. That one will deal with the smears that are specifically designed to make him weak to John McCain. Man, the press really is a big fat liar. And my back hurts.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:21 PM
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42. Right on!
Fascinating information. Worthy of Doctor Gonzo himself.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:49 PM
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44. kick
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:55 PM
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45. The Wright Smear is more Divide and Conquer and KO just fell for it.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 07:59 PM by McCamy Taylor
I am personally offended that Obama is being asked to repudiate his minister. This is America--religious freedom and all.

But this story has been out there forever--which means for a solid year. And the media waits until the Ferraro scandal and until after KO alienates his female base to release the tapes. I think they did this on purpose in order to anger Hillary's supporters, because they knew Wright would get a difference response from people like KO and other Obama supporters than they gave Ferraro:

Here is what the Hillary women are going to complain about:

KO invited Obama onto his show (and even showed up himself when he should have been off) to do a special interview to get Obama's pov

He accepted that Obama would disavow Wright's words but not repudiate the man. In fact, no one should have had to repudiate anyone. This is a free country. People can say what they want. You just don't have to hire them.

He accepted the delay in Wright leaving Obama's campaign and that Obama did not fire him.

He accepted Obama's word that he was unaware of these sentiments.

He made excuses for Wright (he is from an older angrier generation) that could have been made from Ferraro (she is also from an older angrier generation where the Women's Movement was often treated hostilely by the Civil Right's movement which had a "you wait for us to get our rights then you get your" attitude)

He offered no criticism of Obama--certainly no rant--for being careless about creating a public perception problem as he did with Hillary.

I would not be surprised if we see more people on the left do the same thing.

A competent journalist would have brought up the issue of Ferraro and discussed the similarities and differences between the two situations. Hillary was in much the same bind that Obama was, but KO deliberately inflamed that smear using it to score points for his man, even knowing that she might be the nominee in which case he was doing the GOP's work for them.

This is the way that our lax standards for journalism contribute to the decline of Democracy in the US. And Countdown is supposed to be a friendly show.

KO does not see that his obvious bias makes him no friend at all to the Democratic Party. It only propels Rove's plans to Divide and Conquer us and make our convention brokered.

Can we please get some competent, professional journalists, instead of picking them for their looks and their voice and their charisma?

A competent journalist would have run this story: Why is the press airing this just days after the Ferraro attack? Is there a media war on both the Democratic candidates? But KO is afraid to attack the press. He has bought the lie that the press must air any kind of sensational dirt it can dig up as if this is some kind of commandment. Thou shalt leave no ratings untapped

In fact, the press does not have to rake mud. It often decides not to print controversial stories---for the good of the country or the public. It is just that those stories are always about Republicans or CEOs.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:59 PM
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46. Keith got it wrong. Wright was NOT part of Obama's campaign. Ferraro was part of Hillary's
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 08:00 PM by cryingshame
and your entire OP is predicated on the notion that Hillary Clinton does NOT ever feed opposition research to Drudge or other rightwing media outlets.

However, I will congratulate you on your attempt at spin. Well written and non-inflammatory. I'm sure fellow Hillary supporters will grasp at it.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:01 PM
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47. Then you should contact KO and ask him to issue a correction.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:12 PM
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48. I miss Walter Cronkite.
Or Huntley and Brinkley. Howard K. Smith.

I can't watch TV news of any kind anymore...except PBS. It makes me too angry.

Do you think Dems can survive these 'Divide and Conquer' tactics? I don't believe the US population reflects the meanness here at DU.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:47 AM
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51. I trust Howard Dean. He is smarter than Karl Rove. He has something planned.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 12:47 AM by McCamy Taylor
He just needs to be sure not to talk about it on the phone or by email or fax.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:59 PM
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57. Well, I hope you're right....
Rove's talents have nothing to do with intelligence....deception, cruelty, evil, and immorality...those are Rove's gifts to the world.

He better talk about it in a public park and make sure the other person isn't wired.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:06 AM
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52. BTW, I predicted the RNC would have us at each others throats back in November
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 05:10 AM by McCamy Taylor
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/95

Circular Firing Squad
Posted by McCamy Taylor in General Discussion: Primaries
Mon Nov 19th 2007, 04:46 AM

The Republicans are hoping to see the Democrats leave the convention with a nominee and a fractured party. The losers (they hope) will have either failed to endorse the winner or have grudgingly endorsed him/her. The losers’ supporters will be vocal in their disdain for the winner. This kind of scenario is most likely after a bitter primary battle in which a lot of name calling has gone on. In a perfect world (for the GOP), Democrats will be proclaiming their own nominee “no better than Bush” and a “warmonger”---the way that Democrats in 1968 called Humphrey a pro war candidate. Even if they are not talking about it after August, the Republicans can go back in time and pull up footage of the Democratic challengers and their supporters saying it during the primary battle. With the Democrat labeled for all the world as a hawk who will perpetuate the war just like the Republican (who is going to put forward a “secret plan to end the war” you can count on that) suddenly the War in Iraq is going to become muddled in people’s minds.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/?az=archives&j=2002&page=4
Silent Lies, Unholy Lies: Rove's Big Lie that the Dems Forced the US Into the Iraq War Gets Legs
Posted by McCamy Taylor in General Discussion: Primaries
Sun Dec 02nd 2007, 11:50 PM

If you come away from this thread with one thing, please let it be this. Karl Rove is actively involved in 2008 national Republican politics. Every word he says from now until swearing in day is designed to influence the election. Every corporate media journalist and pundit knows this. If they do not interpret his Lies (Big or Little) based upon this fact, then they are naive and need a swift kick in the pants, or they are participating in the Silent Lie.

The good news is that Karl Rove really does have a big mouth. Unless they put the GOP sock--the one that they usually keep in Dan Burton's trap---in Rove's pie hole, sooner or later he will start spewing so much election politics rhetoric in public that it will become clear to everyone where his preoccupations lie---and that the Turd(blossom) does not fall far from the Dumbya.


And yes, he is on Fox saying stupid things like "Obama is going to cut foreign aid to Israel." What a dumb ass.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/120

Chicago 1968: Dems, Don’t Let Yourself Be Herded Into a Circular Firing Squad
Posted by McCamy Taylor in General Discussion
Thu Jan 10th 2008, 06:43 AM

They are doing it to make Obama supporters hopping mad. And to make Hillary supporters out to be cheaters. And to start a war of finger pointing and name calling that will make Ron Paul’s followers chasing Hannity down a road throwing snow balls shouting “Fox News Sucks!” look like the height of decorum.

Even if this story never sees print in any MSM newspaper, it is all over the liberal bloggo-sphere tonight, simply based on the promise that tomorrow it will be in papers that say Tribune at the end. (And if it does not, then a whole bunch of people can scream and shout about a corporate media conspiracy to protect the corporate candidate. Oh fun.)


This was about a phony story spread by Robert Koehler of Tribune Media Service saying that MSMs were going to print a story he wrote the next day accusing Hillary of e-vote fraud in New Hampshire. Everyone in DU went wild that night. I think that I am the only one who thought "This sounds fishy. I wonder if there will even be a story?" It never appeared (of course). It was another MSM lie designed to drive a wedge between the Obama and Clinton camps. How easily we forget.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/122

Circular Firing Squad III: 60 Million Bucks Will Buy a Lot of Scriptwriters
Posted by McCamy Taylor in General Discussion: Primaries
Sat Jan 12th 2008, 08:21 PM
Remember that number, $60 million. It is how much money the United States Chambers of Commerce are willing to spend to make sure that John Edwards, son of mill workers, defender of consumers, champion of the middle class is not elected president. I am not sure that John Edwards has even raised sixty million dollars in his entire campaign, but special business interests in this country as so scared that he will roll back all their tax breaks and perks and government handouts, that they are willing to fork over a big chunk of the money that we, the taxpayers have been forced to give them to make sure that we are not able to pick the candidate of our choice in the upcoming election.

SNIP
That is the best that $60 million can buy? I could do better than that for free. I am tempted to say that O’Donnell is pulling the Chamber of Commerce’s leg, setting up a straw man that will be oh so easy to knock down with the faintest of breezes. And maybe he is. However, the fact that it was written at all, means that bits and pieces of it will be quoted out of context, which will cause no end of trouble within the Democratic Party. If the GOP is lucky, we could have 1968 all over again, White versus Black heading into South Carolina, just as we had male versus female heading into New Hampshire.


I mention the last one just so that you know that an Obama supporter---or at least a journalist who claims that he is an Obama supporter (maybe he is fishing for a producer for a new TV series) was willing to give John Edwards the full court Hillary-bashing treatment not so long ago in an attempt to enrage Obama supporters so that they would hound him out of the race the way that they are trying to hound Hillary out of the race.Lawrence O'Donnell called Edwards racist just for running for president. And who is going to get blamed for O'Donnell's column in the general election? Obama will.

That in itself should show that press--and that includes the Huffington Post and oh so precious Arianna who was a Republican not so long ago--- is not the friend of the Democratic Party. All of them care more for sensationalism and conflict and Trouble with a capital T than the care about the problems of working class Americans that they would probably disdain to talk to. Because if they cared, they would focus on the issues and would stop trying to pit the candidates against each others like combatants in a monster truck competition.

I think we should declare that from now on only Bill Moyers gets to interview and cover the Democratic candidates.
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doeadeer Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 AM
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60. Arianna
Yeah, I never believed she really changed her stripes.

Because:

1.) She used to be very anti-feminist and site is very anti-Hillary and encourages attacking her in very anti-feminists ways. If she had really changed her feminist stance that would have changed too.

2.) She could have, at any time, told those eager young lads (and lasses) writing articles plugging Obama that it was the right wing and rw media manipulating things and hurting their darling. She knows.

3.) She has actively encouraged dissension among Democrats and continues to do so. The argument is that the feminists for Hillary are yesterday's news, Hillary is yesterday's news, we are old-fashioned, out of step, and haven't adapted to the changing times. And that goes for the male Hillary supporters as well.

4. On the AOL news pages, election sub pages, they run polls from bloggers. And the polls tend to be slanted. Not all, but most. The questions sometimes are worded so you are damned if you answer one way and damned if you answer the other way. And a great many of the polls have come from Huffington post -- some of the most slanted, and some of the most slanted by Arianna herself. I think AOL still is used by 800,000 to a million people.

I am glad we are in agreement on that. :-)
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:33 AM
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54. kick
I'd recommend but the 24 hour period to do so is up.

Great post.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:21 AM
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55. Great read. KICK
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:34 AM
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56. Wonderful post....thank you. n/t
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