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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 05:54 AM Original message |
Can White people legitimately rail against centuries of institutionalized racism |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Cali, I kind of feel uncomfortable watching the White Media talk about and criticize all this. |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Re: "some perspective". 52% of the population would like appreciate some perspective& balance |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
39. As a Canadian, What are you doing in the Primaries area? |
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bilgewaterbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
97. Looked like they were discussing the primaries. |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. LOL, I agree |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
58. Better get used to it... |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
2. Cali, if that was all, no big deal, but that's not all |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. So what? |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:29 AM Original message |
Thank you. |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
46. Thank you, redo. |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
84. I still remember the outrage |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
41. It most certainly is if he attend weekly sermons espousing these ideas to his family |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. You're hung up on the "goddamn America" |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Interview with a Diane Sawyer like character comes to mind |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I am also caught up in him gyrating sexually behind the pulpit. nt |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
64. Take a cold shower. lol. n/t |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. And you say that like it's a bad thing. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. This is church, not my back yard bbq picnic. He's a minister. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. He wasn't using it in vain. Your ignorance is frightening |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Who died and made you the Church Lady? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I have used the lords name in vain many times, I have broken the commandment. I have |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Again, you don't know what you're talking about |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. does sexually gyrating behind the podium at the pulpit and saying riding dirty |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. If you read the rolling stone article, he also says "shit" is that part of fire and brimstone? nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. zOH NOES! HE SAID "SHIT"! |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. and he gyrates sexually behind the pulpit saying riding dirty. Oh no is right! nt |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
67. how many times you gonna post "sexually gyrating"? I'm getting excited. n/t |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
82. sexually gyrating! |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. We interrupt this thread to provide a translation of the post #31... |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Thank God for babelfish. |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
66. Probably lots of shit in hell. I mean, it IS hell. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. no. but you're changing the goal posts here. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. you need to look at the whole story, not just the part that you think makes it ok. |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Are they changing the goalposts or just moving them. Because if they're |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. I didn't find it disgusting. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. JVS-OMG I Love The Church Lady |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
86. That was the exact opposite of using the Lord's dam in vain |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
89. Not in vain, God has apparently answered their prayers, but not as they thought |
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polticalpout (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
5. HELP WANTED - NO IRISH NEED APPLY |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Comparing what the Irish went through |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. See post 15; something somewhat similar actually did happen, although not in the 1800's. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. Sorry but you are wrong. The Famine gave the Irish no choice. Millions died. |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
45. Here! Here! |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. Yes, but you asked for an example of institutional racism..I think |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Except that lasted about a decade. Not centuries. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. Actually you are dead wrong. The know nothings reformed under the Klan. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. That took a while, though. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
65. Discrimination and exploitation of Irish by English/WASP's lasted a decade? Okaaaaay... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. You should try reading the whole post and not just the headline. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
91. Or white mormons who were violentry drive out of the US |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
92. Would a bunch of Irish-Americans be left to drown in New Orleans? nt |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
10. Beautifully said. Thank you! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Thank you, Effie |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I think you said it very well - I understand EXACTLY what you're saying! |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
14. I just hope when I get back in a week, all this morbid, Obama is done feeling is gone |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
17. What if I was black in a previous life? |
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usrbs (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. I actually agree with many of Wright's points |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
76. There is some truth to what he's saying. Apparantly, it's not sugar-coated enought for the PC police |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
20. There has been institutionalized type of racism to a degree in the past |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. What are you talking about? Are you talking about Caucasians as in Georgians, Armenians and |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. When I have time. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Part of the U.S.'s more sordid history. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
57. Here are some examples. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
79. None of these are examples of institutionalized racism against Causasians. Sorry. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. So United Coal isn't an institution. The Chicago Police Aren't? The BRITISH EMPIRE IS NOT ? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
94. Mountain Meadows |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
68. but not racism against Caucasians, only ethnic discrimination against Caucasian ethnicities |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. However, institutionalizing it can have similar effect. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. oh, very much so, just as genocidal and inhumane as racism |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Opens for me. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
21. They do it everyday. nt |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
34. Lets be honest, they're doing it to Wright at this moment |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
35. Why is it that Chris Matthews is the only one that makes sense on this whole thing? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Matthews used the Wright issue to make the point that Obama needs to prove he loves America |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
37. Ask a white kid in a black high school ... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
43. Rec'd! n/t |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
44. What if Clinton went to church and her minister said.. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. If this is what was said |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
61. "What if Clinton....... |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
53. So, white people cant rail against racism because of their skin color? |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
54. The MSM message is also two-fold: Don't get out of line |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
55. Can rich people work to end poverty? |
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fbuzz (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
59. So "White People" Are Racists, And Should Murder Themselves For Blacks, Even Though They Did Nothing |
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fbuzz (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Let's Pin Scarlet Letters On White People! Oh, I'm So Sorry For Being "White". Who Is "White"? |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Murder themselves for "blacks" ?! |
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fbuzz (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
62. Black People REALLY Need To Get Over It |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. oh, boy, you've stepped in it now. |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Damn! I typed 5 different responses to you, but deleted them all. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Actually, there was slavery in the North |
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easy_b94 (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Get over it...How would you like if I say "GAY PEOPLE NEED TO GET OVER IT" U MAD NOW |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
87. You have to be one of the most ignorant people on DU... |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 04:49 AM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Folks in "the North" discovered... |
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Windex (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
71. Need help here |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. many AA folks believe it |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
99. Tuskeegee. n/t |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:38 AM Response to Reply #71 |
105. Aids in Africa. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
83. White people can rail against it, but they look like assholes for getting mad |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
88. Excellent analysis...as usual. Thanks, Cali...K&R n/t |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
90. Yes they can and they do. |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
95. Why did your other thread get locked, Cali? |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
96. Better idea: Get to work on the real issues that maintain the racist status quo |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 04:52 AM Response to Reply #96 |
104. You forgot... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
98. Yes, they can, actually. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Sure you're equating all of these with the institutionalized racism |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 04:32 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. No, I'm not equating. |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
102. "White people have been the perpetrators of it, not the victims..." |
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