As a white person who occasionally attended Wright's church

[undeterred]

when I lived in Chicago- I certainly didn't have that impression of him (Wright). I had black friends from work who went there and since it was the same denomination I belonged to (UCC) I visited a few times, including on Christmas.

Sure it was a different culture, and the sermons were directed towards the needs and issues of the black community but I never felt that there was any hatred towards white people.

This was long before 2001 but I have a feeling things are being blown out of proportion. I also expect that Obama, being a very busy person who travelled quite a bit, wasn't exactly a regular church attender. He probably wasn't keeping track of the pastor's foibles.

Farrakhan is another story. I lived in Hyde Park for many years and for a while I was about a block away from his complex of buildings. He totally creeps me out. His bodyguards used to wait in cars with their lights off on the exit from Lake Shore Drive so you would almost run into them. He hates whites and blacks who disagree with him and makes no secret of it.

[shadowknows69]

1. Get thee to CNN and says this please.

[Tarc]

2. And say what, exactly?

"Wright didn't say anything racist or inflammatory while I was there, therefore he never did?"

Yea, good luck with that logic leap, boys. :eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

33. That's pretty much how the MSM spins things anyway

They just usually do it in a manner that hurts Democrats instead of helps them.

[noel711]

3. That's the issue...

You can take any statement/sentence out of context,
and blare it out front to prove a point.

That's what people have done with the words of Jesus
to distort, and use to oppress and harm.

"I have come to this world to bring a sword."

Every single time I have attended an AFrican American
House of worship (and there've been many in my profession)
I have been treated as an honored guest, and a long lost sister.

Why are we allowing the media to flame this into a potential
racial divide?

[demokatgurrl]

4. I do not believe for one moment

that the church is "anti-white", as it has been called. I've read all over the internet of white church members. They can't all be lying. But if a church is in a Black neighborhood...well, most of the attendees are likely to be Black. That doesn't make it racist. And from what I understand, the UCC is huge. There are bound to be Black churches within it, just as there are Catholic churches.

Just an example of the pettiness of campaigns, and the trashing the repukes will be doing. Sad, really.

[underpants]

5. Where did "anti-white" come from? I don't watch MSM so excuse my lack of indoctrination

anti-white?

[americanstranger]

6. Yeah. It's been dubbed 'The Church Of Hate Whitey'

by a few Clinton supporters.

- as

[underpants]

19. Does they have shotguns?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5074025&mesg_id=5074025

[undeterred]

8. Its at 95th st, pretty far south

Thats a mixed neighborhood. If you are a white person attending a mostly black church with a black pastoral staff, you understand that their priority is ministering to that community- but that might be where you feel you fit in.

The black churches on the south side of Chicago are a powerful force. There was one closer to the University of Chicago with about 30,000 members. They bought up buildings in the surrounding neighborhood and rehabbed them and cleaned up the whole area so people could live there safely. It was absolutely amazing.

[noel711]

10. The UCC is a large denomination

with a very diverse expression of faith;
being congregational, they have a lot of freedom
to define themselves.

Some are ethnic: there are Black UCC, German UCC, Dutch UCC.
Some are conservative, some are progressive.

They have that freedom to define themselves.

I know some UCC members who cringe with this Wright debate.
And some are proud and vital.

[SeaLyons]

7. Reverend Wright puts Farrakhan on a pedestal

that's a big problem.

[undeterred]

9. Yeah, that's stinkin' thinkin'.

[YOY]

11. Stick a fork in it

She can't, shouldn't, and wouldn't win. It's just hurting the party now.

[MH1]

13. For her it's all about winning the nomination

even if she destroys any hope of winning the GE.

Think about it: it will be a "landmark" for "feminism" just to be nominated as the presidential candidate of a major party. It will be the highest achievement any woman in this country has attained, in the political sphere.

From a Hillary-centric, and possibly a feminist-centric view (depending on your idea of feminism), the nomination is all that matters.

I expect to be flamed for that, but so be it. I think it's a factor we should be mindful of.

[YOY]

16. Landmark for "feminism"? I beg to differ.

The only people who buy that are her followers...and some of Obama's crowd does the same with his ethnicity. She is about herself and herself only and a legacy is still a legacy with a vagina.

This is just about ego at this point in time and her perceived/planned coronation at the end of the Bush II regime.

[MH1]

20. Well I disagree too, hence the quote marks around "feminism"

I do think there are some who consider themselves feminists, who at least secretly hold the view that just having a woman, any woman, win the nomination of a major party to be President of the US, would be a major step for women.

I disagree with that, but I believe it is a motivator in the Hillary campaign. As for Hillary herself, I believe it is all egoism now, and being the "first" to reach some highly visible goal is probably a big goal for her.

[mzmolly]

24. I'm interested in learning more about this.

Do you have more info?

[EmilyAnne]

12. Interesting. Do you remember the topics of the sermons?

[undeterred]

15. No but I remember that the minister was a lot more candid

in talking about sex and other 'sins' then you'd hear in a white church. And it wasn't moralistic- more like behavior has consequences, and the rules are for our own good.

[Redbear]

14. What is blown out of proportion about

"Not God bless America, no, no, no, God damn America." ?

[undeterred]

17. I never heard that.

But as with Democratic Underground, I have to say- I would have to see and hear something in its context to interpret it.

[Recursion]

27. Ever read Jeremiah?

It's pretty common to warn your country of God's judgment if you keep doing whatever you're not supposed to be doing.

[boppers]

31. Jeremiah: 3,000 years of saying "get your act together, nations!"

It's scripture you can Xerox.

[Rhiannon12866]

18. Thanks for your take on this, and sharing your experiences. And I agree with you.

The words and the actions of all the candidates, particularly those of Clinton and Obama, are dissected and discussed, ad nauseum. Who among us has never misspoken or made a small error in judgment or said something that we immediately wish that we could take back? Fortunately, for us, nobody's likely to remember, let alone see and hear what we said or did replayed endlessly on the national news?! x(

Though I'm not familiar with them, Wright appears to me to be someone who Ed Schultz would say has "passion," while Farrakhan, especially from what you say, appears to be a hatemonger and one scary dude. And Obama was very clear that he "rejected and denounced" his inflammatory message and endorsement...:scared:

[undeterred]

21. I'd hate for someone to go back through my life

and examine the relationships of every person I've associated with and look at every paper I've written, etc. I'd have to defend things I don't even remember that well.

[Rhiannon12866]

22. I sure agree. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Do you remember every single thing that you said, even yesterday? Or how many names or events from the past escape your memory? Granted, the candidates are professionals at this, but even they are human, LOL, and they must get awfully tired. I've seen both Hillary and John Edwards when they looked absolutely exhausted. But the cameras were still rolling... :hangover:

[undeterred]

23. They went through Martin Luther King Jr's seminary papers

and accused him of plagiarism. Remember the days of typewriters and literal note-taking and staying up till 3 in the morning? I'm sure that there's stuff I wrote that has the exact words of stuff I just read or pretty close to it. What the hell does it matter 20 years later when you have become a great leader?

[Rhiannon12866]

25. I sure do, LOL. I not only remember typewriters, but also all-nighters.

They were my specialty. *sigh* And, of course, people who know each other and think the same will naturally express themselves in much the same way. There is way too much dissecting of words going on here. Remember the old and over-used expression, "Great minds think alike?" I don't know who originally said it, but I think it applies here. And we all, hopefully, learn from our mentors... One could do a whole lot worse than the Rev. King...:-)

[sandnsea]

26. They don't care, we're way past honesty and integrity

Whatever it takes for "their girl", that's all that matters.

[FrenchieCat]

28. It's all about fear, in the end.

Whatever can scare people away from Barack will do.....even if it is not him.

But of course, double standards for some, no standards for others.

[SunsetDreams]

29. Thank you for your post

Here is a video, Fact Check

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

30. That video is excellent. Perfect

[cooolandrew]

32. If you can go to the church and make a video with some other attendees that would be excellent.

Just go to u-tube and post here on DU only someone like you can debunk this controversy. I enourage the church to make smililar vieoes to sort this out, as many as possible.