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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:37 AM
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Why is it that Wright's remarks are being called "inflammatory" by the MSM
Yet Ferraro's remarks were, at most, called "controversial" and many of the media discussions were about whether those who objected to them were "playing the race card?"

Isn't it interesting that Ferraro's remarks, as offensive as they were, were still given a benefit of the doubt and those who didn't like them were forced to explain WHY they were problematic - usually in a debate platform against Pat Buchanan, et al, who vigorously defended her - while the very premise of the coverage of Wright's remarks are that they are "inflammatory" and all subsequent discussion begins at that stepping off point?

So, when a white person says something that's offensive to black people, "the jury's still out" on whether black people are right to be offended or whether we're just looking for one more excuse to complain, yet when a black person says something that's offensive to white people, it's just offensive - in fact "inflammatory" - period and it's assumed that any complaints about the comment are perfectly justified.

Hmmm.
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votenovember2008 Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:44 AM
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1. Plain and Simple
Because the words were inflammatory? "God Damn America." Pastor Jeremiah Wright
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:45 AM
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2. "Inflammatory" is in the eye of the beholder
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 08:51 AM by EffieBlack
Dr. King's speeches were considered inflammatory in their day.

Pat Robertson said virtually the same thing after 9-11 when he said that the attacks were God's retribution for our "sinful" culture. The media didn't call HIS comments inflammatory.

Any speech that makes someone uncomfortable can be called "inflammatory." Sadly, it seems that only speech by CERTAIN people in this country that makes CERTAIN OTHER people in this country uncomfortable is ever publicly labeled as such.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:02 AM
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13. Don't you dare equate Dr. King with this asshat
Jesus, the defenders of this filth are getting really pathetic today.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:05 AM
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23. I didn't "equate" Dr. King to anyone - but even if I did, I can equate him with anyone I damned well
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 10:07 AM by EffieBlack
please, notwithstanding your effort to be the "keeper" of the revisionist "Dr. King was a saint beloved by all" fantasy.

Dr. King was vilified, hated, called a "race-baiting demagogue," accused of "inflammatory" language, and attacked at every turn - by many of the same people who wring their hands, tear up at the mention of his name and wouldn't miss a Martin Luther King Day breakfast, all the while turning everything that Dr. King ACTUALLy stood for on his head.

Anyone who does not believe that if Dr. King were alive today, he would be saying some of the same things that Rev. Wright is saying - perhaps not in the same words, but clearly expressing the same sentiment, doesn't know anything about Dr. King.

I see this war as an unjust, evil, and futile war. I preach to you today on the war in Vietnam because my conscience leaves me with no other choice. The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war. In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that blind us to our sins. But the day has passed for superficial patriotism. He who lives with untruth lives in spiritual slavery. Freedom is still the bonus we receive for knowing the truth. "Ye shall know the truth," says Jesus, "and the truth shall set you free." Now, I've chosen to preach about the war in Vietnam because I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. There comes a time when silence becomes betrayal.
. . .
{M}illions have chosen to move beyond the prophesying of smooth patriotism, to the high grounds of firm dissent, based upon the mandates of conscience and the reading of history. Now, of course, one of the difficulties in speaking out today grows the fact that there are those who are seeking to equate dissent with disloyalty. It's a dark day in our nation when high-level authorities will seek to use every method to silence dissent. But something is happening, and people are not going to be silenced. The truth must be told, and I say that those who are seeking to make it appear that anyone who opposes the war in Vietnam is a fool or a traitor or an enemy of our soldiers is a person that has taken a stand against the best in our tradition.
. . . This sermon is not addressed to Hanoi, or to the National Liberation Front. It is not addressed to China or to Russia. Nor is it an attempt to overlook the ambiguity of the total situation and the need for a collective solution to the tragedy of Vietnam. Nor is it an attempt to make North Vietnam or the National Liberation Front paragons of virtue, nor to overlook the role they must play in a successful resolution of the problem. This morning, however, I wish not to speak with Hanoi and the National Liberation Front, but rather to my fellow Americans, who bear the greatest responsibility, and entered a conflict that has exacted a heavy price on both continents.

. . . It seemed that there was a real promise of hope for the poor, both black and white, through the Poverty Program. There were experiments, hopes, and new beginnings. Then came the build-up in Vietnam. And I watched the program broken as if it was some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war. And I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money, like some demonic, destructive suction tube. And you may not know it, my friends, but it is estimated that we spend $500,000 to kill each enemy soldier, while we spend only fifty-three dollars for each person classified as poor, and much of that fifty-three dollars goes for salaries to people that are not poor. So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor, and attack it as such.
Perhaps the more tragic recognition of reality took place when it became clear to me that the war was doing far more than devastating the hope of the poor at home. It was sending their sons, and their brothers, and their husbands to fight and die in extraordinarily high proportion relative to the rest of the population. We were taking the black young men who had been crippled by society and sending them eight thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Harlem. So we have been repeatedly faced with a cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same school room. So we watch them in brutal solidarity, burning the huts of a poor village. But we realize that they would hardly live on the same block in Chicago or Atlanta. Now, I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor.
. . .

Now, let me tell you the truth about it. They must see Americans as strange liberators. Do you realize that the Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence in 1945 after a combined French and Japanese occupation . . . This is who we are supporting in Vietnam today. Oh, our government and the press generally won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell you this morning. The truth must be told.

The only change came from America as we increased our troop commitments in support of governments which were singularly corrupt, inept, and without popular support and all the while the people read our leaflets and received regular promises of peace and democracy and land reform. Now they languish under our bombs and consider us, not their fellow Vietnamese, the real enemy. They move sadly and apathetically as we herd them off the land of their fathers into concentration camps, where minimal social needs are rarely met. They know they must move or be destroyed by our bombs. So they go, primarily women, and children and the aged. They watch as we poison their water, as we kill a million acres of their crops. They must weep as the bulldozers roar through their areas preparing to destroy the precious trees. They wander into the towns and see thousands of thousands of the children, homeless, without clothes, running in packs on the streets like animals. They see the children degraded by our soldiers as they beg for food. They see the children selling their sisters to our soldiers, soliciting for their mothers. We have destroyed their two most cherished institutions: the family and the village. We have destroyed their land and their crops. We have cooperated in the crushing of the nation's only noncommunist revolutionary political force, the United Buddhist Church. This is a role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolutions impossible but refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that comes from the immense profits of overseas investments. I'm convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered.


Dr. King was absolutely vilified for this sermon - in many of the same terms and in much the same tone as Rev. Wright is being attacked today. Whether you agree or disagree with Wright, he is speaking his conscience and his mind from decades of experience and through a perspective that many of the people who deign to attack him do not have.

So don't lecture me about Dr. King. I know what he stood for, what he went through, and how his memory and legacy have been bastardized by people who don't give two hoots, beyond a few words of lip service, about what he stood and died for.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:18 AM
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:46 AM
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3. Yes, indeed. Those are inflammatory words all right. No way around that.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:47 AM
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4. Haven't you got the memo? Wright=newsworthy Hagee, Dobson, Falwell, etc.= not newsworthy
:kick:
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:47 AM
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5. Did Wright sit on Good Morning America and start making these remarks?
I'm sorry but a lot of "inflammatory" stuff gets said in any church.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:55 AM
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21. If my pastor said anything like that
I'd be out of there, visibly and vocally, before he finished his sentence.

Bake
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:48 AM
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6. because he was telling the truth, I asked yesterday what did he say that wasn't
...true and there were no substantial answers just someone not agreeing on Jesus being black.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:49 AM
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7. See, that's just it...
Wright scares white people. That's the only reason this is an issue.

White America likes their black people safe and non-threatening. They get a hint that maybe Obama isn't Cliff Huxtable, and it makes them nervous. They look at Wright, they see 'angry black man'...and it doesn't matter whether his anger is JUSTIFIED, doesn't matter whether what he's saying might actually be rational, it just matters that he's angry, and that makes them nervous. And they associate him with Obama, so now Obama makes them nervous. Because they start to worry that maybe there's anger beneath that non-threatening, 'articulate, clean-cut' exterior.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:49 AM
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8. Bingo!!!
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:56 AM
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10. You hit the nail on the head. If Wright was white, this wouldn't even make it to the first six.....
pages of any newspaper. Because he's black, we should now be scared.

Off topic: I'm a huge transmet fan, I'm 8 issues short of having the full 60 ish run.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:56 AM
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11. Double Bingo!
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 08:58 AM by rucky
Maybe a Roker/Gumble ticket is in order?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:11 AM
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15. BINGO..TOLD YA BEFORE I love your posts
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:16 AM
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19. Yep, whitie can't deal with these uppity negro's that refuse to bend over and kiss their white asses
out of gratitude for being so kind as giving them jobs instead of leaving them in africa with the rest of the ignorant scum. The same people that believe this crap are also the same assholes that believe people on welfare or disability should be grateful that the goberment is letting them live high off the hog. Angry? Well sheesh, I wonder why, after all its not like the afro americans have been treated any differently in this country then the whites. Or that since 1865 there hasn't been any effort to make it harder for them to vote or earn a living or stay free, why all they have to do is pull themselves up by their boot straps and stop feeling sorry for their lot in life. Stupidity breeds stupidity, and this is about as stupid as america gets. The angry black excuse yet again, right wing clap trap bull shit.
Angry? Damn right, angry that this country went from greatness to greed, everything is well with me, so why are people upset or angry because they live in the greatest country since rome.
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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:15 AM
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26. I thought this wasn't about race?
Doesn't sound like it here.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:16 AM
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27. Yup! White religious leaders can talk about all manner of idiocy...
but, they're white, so it's OK!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:54 AM
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9. self-deleted
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 08:57 AM by Crisco
may better just add another troll to the file.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:57 AM
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12. What about "God Damn America" baffles you, in this regard?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:10 AM
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14. You know why...
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:13 AM
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16. Wasn't it just yesterday Obama was a Muslim?
Can't the media make up its mind how they want to paint Obama and religion as scary to white folks?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:14 AM
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17. Ohhh. This is like finding vs. looting!
White people say offensive stuff and they're not inflaming things, they're being controversial. Rebels who refuse to toe the PC line.

Black people say offensive stuff and they're just inflaming racial tensions.

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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:51 AM
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20. Exactly!
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 09:53 AM by EffieBlack
"White people say offensive stuff and they're not inflaming things, they're being controversial. Rebels who refuse to toe the PC line" . . . and when black people object to offensive stuff that white people say, the black people are inflaming racial tensions!
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fbuzz Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:15 AM
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18. EffieBlack, Nice Try
Just saw the words, and see if anything sticks. Oops, nope.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:04 AM
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22. Enjoy your brief stay here.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:08 AM
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24. Because a pastor saying "God Damn America" and making sexual movements
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 10:09 AM by wlucinda
and comments in front of his congregation will piss a lot of people off?
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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:14 AM
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25. Because they are inflammatory.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:18 AM
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29. White Privilege
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