WATCH VIDEO: John Hagee Says Adolf Hitler and Catholic Church Conspired During Holocaust

[Bullet1987]

This is how you go back against what's said about a Democrat...you attack the Republicans, not each other! This guy is despised and loathes by Catholics and likens the Catholic Church to the 'Great Whore' of the Bible. He also calls it a false cult system and says they conspired with the Nazis to help exterminate the Jews during the Holocaust. Watch the video below...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA">John Hagee anti-Catholic hatred

In his book Jerusalem Countdown..."Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." - John Hagee

"Katrina Disaster was God's punishment for gay sin." John Hagee, Sept. 18, 2006

I'm beginning to question whether some members of this board are really even Democrats. There is a willingness to write-off the inflammatory remarks of the Far-Right, but when it comes to Obama...everyone wants to jump on him. I'm especially shocked to see Democrats do this to each other. This is the first real swiftboating attempt of Obama, and what the fuck does half of DU do? Willingly cave in to it, instead of fighting it back with something like this. It doesn't mean ignoring the reality of Wright's comments, but it does mean standing up for the Party in the face of a blatant right-wing attempt to swiftboat his campaign. This Wright story comes from the very bowels of FAUX News. Once again they are attempting to mess around with our primary, and this is how we all react to it. If DU was a real life room, half of us would be dead already because we'd have slit each other's throats over this bullshit.

When the Catholic community was up in arms over Hagee's support of McCain...and McCain knowingly seeking his support...he quickly came out and repudiated his comments and distanced himself from it. That's all Obama needs to do which I'm sure he will before the day is over.

[nxylas]

1. I think DUers will have a hard time condemning this one

Just try finding a thread about the Catholic Church on here (outside the Catholic and Orthodox DU Group) that doesn't contain the phrase "Nazi Pope" at least once.

[EmilyAnne]

2. Its true, actually. Its very well known.

[Bullet1987]

3. Oh, so you excuse the hate-filled remarks of Hagee...but condemn

Obama as if he said what Wright did? Can you say "double-standard?"

Hate is hate...no matter who the hell is preaching it.

[fbuzz]

4. Bullet, Your DOA With This Thread

Get to know your history first.

[Bullet1987]

6. So you accept the hatred expressed by Hagee?

I know I don't.

[fbuzz]

27. I Accept The Facts, Thanks.

[EmilyAnne]

7. Nope. Not me. You must have me confused with someone else.

This is one of my recent posts:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5073017&mesg_id=5073017

[Omega3]

8. facts are facts re: the Cath. church, however, America did NOT invent AIDS, I thought you weren't

supposed to take the Lord's name in vain? and to do it in church? He's an America hater just like Michele Obama and you know BHO is one too, this won't play well, he's toast


Omega3: white European and the apparent root of all evil in the world

[Bullet1987]

13. Facts according to whom?

Some people say there are "FACTS" that prove the Holocaust didn't happen. I say we attack Republicans when they attack us. Man the fuck up...

[fbuzz]

28. Bullet, You Are Just A Joke

Please stop making a fool out of yourself.

[Bullet1987]

29. Don't troll...

http://images.google.com/url?q=&usg=AFQjCNFLdTM0i5nKdCJZJSWSmPvTLwMGxg

[fbuzz]

43. I See Someone Is Upset Since Their Rhetoric Isn't Working

[thoughtcrime1984]

59. Voting McCain and, well, any Republican, right?

Troll

[LostinVA]

17. What AIDS thing?

Seriously -- i didn't hear this part.

[LostinVA]

15. You do know you're responding to someone on "your side," right?

And, that someone is correct.

[rateyes]

5. To be sure, Hagee's words are offensive, and inaccurate...

when it comes to the official position of the Catholic Church during the Holocaust. Pope Pius XII, for a long time was asked to intervene on behalf of the Jewish people suffering under Hitler's pogrom, but refused on the grounds of "neutrality." He did, I understand, hide some Jews toward the end of the Holocaust, but he did not do much to stop Hitler.

Hitler also had the encouragement of several Christian theologians who blamed the Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus. Kittel, a theologian whose works are still used today in seminaries and pulpits all over the world, was one who agreed with Hitler's pogrom against the Jews. Althaus was another. Many Christian ministers in the US, when Hitler first came to power, were very complimentary of Hitler because of his emphasis on "morality" (as fundamentalists define the term.) Hitler, himself, on many occasions used his own faith (Hitler was Catholic---a deluded Catholic, but a Catholic nonetheless) as justification for his oppression and killing of Jews.

But, to use the positions of a few within the Catholic church to totally distort the church's position during Hitler's time, and to demonize the church is beyond the pale. Hagee doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

And, you rightly point out that equating Obama's views with that of his pastor, is as wrong as equating the Catholic Church with Hitler simply because Hitler was Catholic.

[fbuzz]

30. The Church Kept the Jewish Children They Saved, Converted Them, And Didn't Return Them

Tough that history isn't on your side, and now we're playing into the Strawman Obama tactic.

[bunnies]

9. Some people here care more about attacking Obama than McCain.

I think its an irrefutable fact at this point.

[Omega3]

10. you can say the same about Hillary, give me a break

[bunnies]

34. This OP isnt about Hillary now is it. nt

[BigDDem]

11. Is Hagee McCain's "spiritual mentor?"

[Bullet1987]

12. He might as well be...you don't think McCain listens to Hagee or any

other "The Gays are responsible for 9-11" Right-wing preacher on Sundays?

[BigDDem]

16. No, I dont think McCain listens to Hagee but that's just

a hunch. Do you have some proof that he does?

[Bullet1987]

18. I know he said he actively sought his support which means he's

familiar with the man. Why are you defending McCain?

[BigDDem]

20. Dude, get a grip

you asked me if I thought McCain listened to Hagee on Sunday and I said
no. That's "defending McCain?"

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

33. WTF -- you're still here?

[Bullet1987]

38. Go away back to Freepland...

[fbuzz]

40. Go away back to the fridge for more Kool-Aid!

[MonkeyFunk]

31. Nope

that's why all the thrashing by Obama supporters is so funny. There's no equivalence between Hagee's relationship to McCain and Wright's relationship to Obama.

[fbuzz]

39. Shhh! Don't Let That Get In The Way Of Their Implosion

[LostinVA]

14. It's true about the Church and the Nazis

And, before you start, I am a HUGE defender of the Church on here, but not it's "upper management."

His Holiness knew about the Holocaust and turned more than a blind eye to it. I'm convinced a word or two from him and -- at the very least -- exterminations would have stopped, including those of the mentally handicapped.

[Bullet1987]

19. It can still be used against McCain because there's no way in hell

that argument will fly to a mainstream audience.

[LostinVA]

21. It's an historical fact about the Catholic Church and the Holocaust

A fairly well-known historical fact, actually.

[Bullet1987]

22. Again...it can still be used against McCain in the General

I don't want to get into a historical argument. But there are enough Catholics in this country who would be outraged over this and we could create a new swing voter group.

[LostinVA]

25. I'm not talking about Hagee -- I loathe him

I'm not fond of ANY religious zealot, regardless of the religious affiliation.

[fbuzz]

42. The Majority of the Country, Isn't Catholic

[NorthernSpy]

58. if the Republicans lose enough Catholic votes, they lose...

They wanna use the Wright stuff? Fine. We're gonna use this, like it or not.

[fbuzz]

35. You Mean, With The Catholic-Hating Majority In America?

lol. Protestant, Baptists, etc., who make up this country, hate the Catholics. I think McCain's pretty safe. Sorry Obamanite.

[geek tragedy]

23. Note that the DU Hillary supporters are defending McCain on this one.

Tells you all you need to know about Clinton supporters.

[Bullet1987]

24. I agree...

I think even they are beginning to come around to the 2012 scenario and don't care if we get a President McCain. Fucking pathetic, but let's not paint them all with the same brush. A lot of Clinton supporters are pretty level-headed.

[Bullet1987]

26. Note that Hagee doesn't just say the thing about the Nazis

He also calls Catholicism...an entire religious belief...a Whore system and a cult! The guy is so extremely anti-Catholic it goes beyond what he said about the Nazis. Supposedly, he has a long history of decades of inflammatory Catholic hate speech.

[fbuzz]

36. And They Have A History of Molesting Little Boys For Centuries, What's the Point?

[fbuzz]

37. Keep Spouting Away, Hoping Anything Sticks

[Bullet1987]

41. Why are you so staunching defend the Right Fbuzz? Special connection with them maybe?

[fbuzz]

45. Strawman.

[Bullet1987]

50. Answer the question and stop trolling then...

[Texas Hill Country]

44. Clarification: they did not conspire... there was some minimal capitulation

[Swamp Rat]

46. Hagee would have fit in very well in Hitler's Germany.

[fbuzz]

47. He's Not Catholic

[Swamp Rat]

52. No shit Sherlock

[yardwork]

48. This is John McCain's spiritual advisor.

Let's see the same level of outrage.

[fbuzz]

49. Outrage Over Actual Facts, Hmm, Not Buying

And neither will the country.

[Bullet1987]

51. You know what the country WON'T buy...anti-Catholic bigotry from the Right

[Bullet1987]

53. Here...

[Az_lefty]

54. totally debunked...

Hitler indeed courted the Church and they went along with him until he showed himself for who he really was. They did not conspire with Hitler, it's bullshit. This is the same kind of crap that has been spewed by RW preachers for years in an attempt to put down Catholicism. I would hope DUer's would be able to see through this.

[Bullet1987]

56. Obviously some can't

but this is why we have separation of Church and State. The two together whether it's Jeremiah Wright or John Hagee are very volatile and destructive.

[knixphan]

This is John McCain's spiritual advisor.

Needed to be said again.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

55. there are loads of Catholic bashers here on DU that prob agree with Hagee

[Solon]

57. Having been raised Catholic, this particular point is hardly controversial...

at least from my perspective. Hagee is an ass and anti-Catholic bigot, that's not the dispute, but even a broken clock is right at least twice a day. He may be exaggerating the actual participation of the Church, but the fact that the Church capitulated to Hitler's demands isn't really in dispute. In addition, certain organizations within the Church also actively participated in the Holocaust, that's also not in dispute.

I don't view this as comparable to Wright, mostly because Wright is NOT in the same league as Hagee, Hagee is an out and out bigot against Catholics, I see little in Wright's sermons that is objectionable to anyone, most of it is the truth. My only point of contention is his opinion on the HIV virus, but that's mostly just some justified paranoia overriding common sense.