Gay voters give Clinton small edge *Cool data!*

[cboy4]

This kinda interesting data, no matter which candidate you support:





Senator Hillary Clinton seems
to have a narrow edge among
LGBT voters, based on an analysis
of heavily gay precincts in several
U.S. cities. Photo: Jane Philomen Cleland



analysis by Lisa Keen
Published 03/13/2008

Tallies now available from 39 precincts in heavily gay neighborhoods around the country add more evidence to suggest that, among LGBT voters, Hillary Clinton is the favored candidate – by a margin of 52 percent to 48 percent – in the most tightly contested race in recent years for the Democratic presidential nomination.

<snip>

Counting almost 34,000 votes in 39 heavily gay precincts across eight cities, Clinton has won 52 percent of the vote, compared to Obama's 48 percent. The neighborhood precincts surveyed included those in Boston, Dallas, Key West, Los Angeles County, Northampton (Massachusetts), Provincetown, San Francisco, and South Beach.

Obama was the preferred candidate in the heavily gay neighborhoods of Boston, Northampton, San Francisco, and Chicago; Clinton in Dallas, Key West, Los Angeles County, Provincetown, South Beach, and New York (the latter based on exit polling data).

But LGBT support for Clinton surfaced even in cities where Obama won the overall vote. In Chicago, his margin was noticeably smaller in heavily gay wards of Andersonville and Lakeview and, in Dallas, Clinton won the heavily gay precincts.

Much more! --------------> http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=2792

[cboy4]

1. Mods, I accidentally posted this is GD:P....can you please

move to GLBT?

Thanks.
CB

[David Zephyr]

3. I think it is pertinent here, too, cboy4. It's polling regarding the primaries.

It clearly shows to me that Hillary's once 25 point advantage over Obama with the GLBT community is gone. Others have pointed out this trend, too.

[cboy4]

4. Where are you getting your information that she had a 25

point lead?

I think I remember reading it was as much as 20 at one point early on.

But 25?

[David Zephyr]

7. Actually, it was 41 points in November 2007. The GLBT community is not Hillary's anymore.

From back in November of 2007 (a little over 90 days ago): "A new poll of lesbian, gay, and bisexual voters, conducted by Hunter College, has found that 63% of LGB likely voters in the Democratic primaries say they will support Sen. Hillary Clinton, while 22% are backing Sen. Barack Obama, and 7% will vote for John Edwards."

63-22=41 points.

http://www.mygayonline.com/new-poll-of-lgb-voters-finds-clinton-leading-obama-edwards.html

[cboy4]

10. Well I think actually the GLBT community is Hillary's.

Right?

I've never heard of a Hunter College poll.

But never-the-less, regardless of its data, and regardless of Obama tightening the gap, Hillary Clinton remains in the lead despite Obama's incredible success in the primaries.

So the LGBT community certainly isn't Obama's, statistically.

Had Obama not embraced Donnie McClurkin, he may very well be in the lead.

[Orsino]

2. It's not surprising to me that GLBT voters would be about evenly split...

...given two candidates who both oppose same-sex marriage.

[cboy4]

5. I can see why you'd access it that way.....but for me, it

comes down to trust.

If you don't trust the candidate to fulfill his or her promises, I mean....I won't vote for them.

And Obama, in my opinion, is a chronic panderer who cannot be trusted.

[NJSecularist]

6. So that is what this thread is about... a podium for you to grind your axe against Obama?

Both candidates have virtually identical stances on gay marriage.

[cboy4]

8. No, you're projecting that I'm using this as a podium,,,,I was

simply explaining to someone why I don't support Obama, when in fact his stances are indeed similar to Hillary's on most of the issues.

As an Edwards voter, to reiterate, I decided it all came down to trust...especially after McClurkin. I don't trust Obama that he won't pull something like that again if it's politically advantageous.

I've been very consistent with this answer.

And had you bothered to to read the article I posted, you'd learn that there are interesting breakdowns of where Obama has fared well and where Hillary has fared well in different communities throughout the country.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions MJSecularist. It comes across as reckless.

[NJSecularist]

9. Fair enough.

But do you realize that Edwards isn't in favor of same-sex marriage because of his religion? Which is exactly the same position as Obama.

In Bob Shrum's book entitled No Excuses, Shrum says that Edwards "doesn't feel comfortable around those people". "Those people" being people that are LGBT. This was back in 2002.

This cherrypicking of evidence against Obama does nobody any good.

[cboy4]

13. The reason I picked Edwards, is because his wife

Elizabeth is a wonderful friend to the gay community, and is very pro equal marriage.

So is their daughter.

I believe John struggles with the issue in an honest way, and can eventually be convinced, with the help of the women in his life, that it's the right thing to do.

I think between Hillary, Obama and Edwards, Edwards would be the most likely to support it.

I might be wrong, but that's what I believe, which is why I voted for him in the California primary -- even though he'd already dropped out.

Obama will never support it because he's all wrapped up with these nut ball religious people like McClurkin and Wright.

[David Zephyr]

12. Two mentions of McClurkin. Another McClurkin thread pretending to be something else.

Gee. Like that hasn't been done here before...

[cboy4]

14. David, don't be mad at me, be mad at Obama for

convincing people like myself he cannot be trusted.

I know this makes you irate that McClurkin is an issue, but it's reality.

If you want to trust Obama, that's up to you.

But don't lash out at those of us who wouldn't buy a used car from the guy.

[NJSecularist]

15. So now you are admitting this is a thread about McClurkin

And you tried to mask it as a thread about poll data from the LGBT.

[cboy4]

17. MJSecularist, the reason I keep mentioning McClurkin is

I'm forced to in order to answer charges that this is a McClurlin thread by David, who is beside himself that a majority of gay people at DU don't support Obama.

This is a gay vote demographics thread per the article I posted.

Go back and read my response to which you wrote, "fair enough."

Jesus.

[IndianaJones]

18. aren't they disgusting? always whining about this bigotry crap. nt.

[cboy4]

20. lmao n/t

[From The Left]

11. Very Odd Since She Opposes the Repeal of DOMA

[cboy4]

16. She doesn't oppose the repeal of DOMA. She opposes

an aspect of it, so you're just repeating inaccurate talking points from somewhere.

I, however, do not believe or trust that Obama will follow through and repeal any of DOMA.

So for me, that's worse.

[From The Left]

19. Didn't You Hear at the LOGO/HRC Debate?

Hillary said she opposed the repeal of DOMA, only article 3. Google it.

[cboy4]

22. Yea From The Left, what did I say? DOMA contains

two provisions.

She supports the repeal of one provision and does not support the repeal of the other.

So to say she opposes repeal of DOMA is inaccurate.

She opposed full repeal.

If she opposed repeal, she would be against both provisions.

[From The Left]

25. Here's a link

"Clinton took a more cautious position at the forum, citing her decision earlier this year to call for repeal of just Section 3 of DOMA, which defines marriage under federal law as a union only between a man and a woman. The section effectively prevents same-sex couples joined in civil unions or marriages conferred by a state from receiving any of the 1,100 marriage-related federal rights or benefits, such as Social Security survivor payments and various tax breaks."

http://washingtonblade.com/2007/8-17/news/national/11067.cfm

All the other Dems: Obama, Edwards, Dodd, Biden and Kucinich said they repeal ALL of DOMA.

Only Hillary Clinton embraces DOMA, except article 3. She's a DINO Dem of the worst kind.

[cboy4]

26. From the Left, why are you having such a hard time

understanding that I agree that Hillary does not support FULL repeal of DOMA.

She supports PARTIAL.


DOMA contains two provisions: one that gives states autonomy on marriage and one that prohibits federal recognition of same-sex marriages. With the precision of a neurosurgeon, Clinton cut herself free of the second plank of the law while continuing to embrace the first plank, essentially saying that she would let states decide their own destiny on marriage but leave the door open for federal recognition of same-sex unions.

“Senator Clinton believes that each state should make its own decisions regarding marriage or civil unions, but once a state legalizes such relationships, these relationships should receive full federal recognition and benefits,” Ethan Geto, senior national adviser to Senator Clinton on LGBT Issues, explained in an e-mail to The Advocate. “As several states have legalized gay marriage or civil unions, Senator Clinton has come to believe that the restrictions imposed by DOMA on federal government recognition of same-sex relationships are unfair.”

The position represents a marked departure from her comments to a group of about 40 LGBT leaders in New York last October during her Senate reelection campaign, where she stood firm on the strategic importance of DOMA in helping to defeat the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would have constitutionally denied the right of marriage to gay and lesbian couples.

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid46508.asp

[AlCzervik]

21. totally ot but.....

did you check the Ca. forum, there is a thread about a meet up tentatively for april 12th.

[cboy4]

23. Oh I totally missed it......and it's my buddy LM who

posted.

I work weekends, but maybe I can stop by!

Thanks for the heads up neighbor :)

[AlCzervik]

24. i hope you can.

:hi: