Can someone please help me understand MI and FL?

[hisownpetard]

My current understanding is this:

MI and FL wanted to move their primaries up.
The DNC said "No."
They were told that, if they went against their party and moved the dates up anyway, they would be punished accordingly.
They did it anyway.

Now, it seems, just about everyone is trying to find a way for those two states to have 'do-overs' that would be fair to both candidates.

WHY???????

Why can't the people of those two states take out their frustration on the elected officials who are responsible for this, and just go ahead and vote
in the GE?

Why is someone going to have to pay millions of dollars so that these re-elections can occur, when the consequences were clear beforehand?

If you don't take your final exam in college on the day that it's given, you get an 'Incomplete.' You don't get to say, "I think I'll take it a month early"
and still expect it to count.

And you don't get to have the professor come in on a special date, just for you, either.

Why is this even an issue? Do rules and consequences mean nothing? I really don't understand the reasoning.
Can anyone fill me in, please?

[stray cat]

1. You are right - the elected officials made the call so its up to their constituents

whether they support those elected officials in the future.

[cyclezealot]

2. Michigan has been fighting the primacy of GOP states for years.

The non Democratic small states reduce the choices when it comes our time to vote. As A Michiganian I resent it. My candidate was eliminated before we got a chance to vote. So why vote. The remaining choices I find not worth my bother.

[SoFlaJet]

3. As a Floridian and NOT some campaign operative

I'll answer the question as to my state. Our highest priority was for us to have a paper trail in all elections so that what happened in 2000 can NEVER happen again. We DEMANDED our reps get this done. They did the best they can do but the republican led-legislature would only allow it to come to a vote if it was tagged with a provision that moved Florida's primary to the 29th-it was THE ONLY WAY it could get us a paper trail...the DNC then decides to disregard our primary so prolly half the democrats in the state didn't even bother voting-because it wasn't gonna count anyway

[MaineDem]

6. The DNC "prolly" decided based on rules

There were procedures the FL Dem party could have taken but they didn't. Even with the primary moved up. Karen Thurman and the rest of the Party did nothing to mitigate the damage when it would have made a difference. Prolly.

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[MaineDem]

15. Now that's really nice n/t

[SoFlaJet]

16. I'm sick of the way people are acting around here

what the fuck happened to this once great site? You always have to be on the defensive either someone is making fun of a word you use or accusing you of some nefarious deed or deal-I'm sick of it I'm tired of people claiming such high-mindedness and debasing other that don't agree with them-sorry Maine if I offended you and shouldn't have-but Christ man-this board has really gone to shit since around Thanksgiving

[Labors of Hercules]

10. So basically you're saying

Your Republican legislature fucked us again?

And in our own primary this time?

I hate Republicans and the people who elect them.

[SoFlaJet]

11. not "MY"republican legislature

FLORIDA's

[Oilwellian]

12. You left out one important fact

It was a Democrat who introduced the Bill to change the primary date. If he didn't introduce the Bill in the first place, it wouldn't have been an issue. Can you explain that?

[madfloridian]

4. Here:

From instigator to victim. It was a Dem who introduced the early primary bill in Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1829

How it began last August....how Florida Democrats began their propaganda war
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1819

Jeremy Ring (D-FL) said "relevance is more important than "partying" in Denver.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1836

Think I exaggerate about Florida's attitude? Here's a county chairperson's rant against Dean.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1827

Enough of this. Florida Democrats now threaten Dean and the DNC with a "voting rights probe".
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1453

The "appropriate legal official" to "investigate" Dean and the DNC...is...Gonzales.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1452

Nelson: "I will lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1455

Two summaries of the DNC committee ruling about Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1456

Florida sowed the seeds of a propaganda war against the DNC.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1458

Proof. Vindication. Both Florida parties did it for "relevance." From March.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1459

The latest Florida propaganda tactic here about attacking the DNC...local email.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1460

Florida's Geller joked about his amendment: "sarcasm and audible laughter in chamber"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

One Florida county is saying there will be further bloodshed. Much argument here today.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1462

Florida Democratic Party website building anger toward the DNC
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1465

Democratic activist sues over loss of Florida delegates
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1466

"Dean was conciliatory and offered DNC help for the state"..hour long phone call
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1467

Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1468

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to Florida's primary ploy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1469

Bill Nelson today will file a bill for regional primaries...but first he had to get your attention
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1478

Bill Nelson today: "DNC penalties unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1479

Carl Levin and Terry McAuliffe made a deal about primaries in 2004.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1483

Email from Florida DEC chairs saying not to give to the DNC or candidates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1481

Pelosi says it is not Florida's fault at all. So if the speaker says it I must be wrong.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1567

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564

Details on how Florida worked with the GOP to set the early primary date.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1617

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get near Boston.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

Nelson and Levin of Michigan file the bill today. It's getting deeper
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1741

My postings about the heartbreak of the Florida primary fiasco.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1607

Florida Dems at convention have button that says "Screw Dean"...very classy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1608

Senate leader ponders suing 'rogue states' over primary
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1527

[grantcart]

9. wow

[reflection]

14. This can't be posted enough.

A piece of sanity floating in the madness that is GD-P. :)

[SoFlaJet]

17. thanks

madFlo

[hisownpetard]

18. Whew! I'll be up late tonight, reading...

Thanks for the info.

[crispini]

5. Well, I agree with you, BUT,

some people are saying -- and I think they have a point worth thinking about -- that the Florida and Michigan voters are not going to understand that fine distinction, and they're going to take it out on the Dems in the GE.

[madfloridian]

8. They would understand if party leaders told the truth.

And yes, it might affect the GE.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

7. Here's all you need to know - Hillary has tried to circumvent the rules that everyone agreed to.

[SoCalDem]

19. You silly goose..

Rules are only for SOME people..:eyes:

[hisownpetard]

20. Sounds like a page taken from the "George Bush Political Handbook."