The problem with Obama is that he does not even seem like a U.S politican

[AGirl]

running to be the president.


I don't think he can win. America will have to be really enlightened and almost european like to go with someone like Obama.

I am not sure if the U.S has reached that stage, but it would be nice if he could be elected..but I just don't think he can be..too innocent.


PS: Oh and I don't like Hillary. She is not good for the rest of the world. She doesnt want to ban cluster bombs and she is a hawk. I don't like that. I do like her knowledge on all the issues and she seem to know GLBT issues alot more than Obama.

[EFerrari]

1. Yeah, he's pretty Oriental and all. Mysterious and other.

:wtf:

What in the world are you talking about?

[NDambi]

34. lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[tishaLA]

2. Wasn't this the Kerry narrative?

He was "too French"? It's silly. Sorry.

[Cant trust em]

3. We're a pretty conservative country.

by your logic we'll just keep electing Republicans.

[rocktivity]

4. Funny, I see it the opposite way

I think the key to Obama's SUCCESS has been that he does not seem like a U.S politican running to be the president!

;)
rocknation

[leftstreet]

5. Maybe that's why he's so popular?

"he does not even seem like a U.S politican"

[rocktivity]

6. Another example of great minds thinking alike!

:rofl:
rocknation

[Jersey Devil]

7. You mean you'd rather have a beer with Hillary?

Is this the Cosmopolitan Threshold? If someone is too sophisticated they can't win?

Maybe instead of debates they should go to Hollywood and open up the old set from Cheers, sit the candidates down with voters and some pitchers of beer and have Frank Luntz take a poll afterwards to see who they most enjoyed having a beer with.

[AGirl]

11. No, i dont perfer Hillary, but Obama is almost perfect

too bad he can't get over the whole gay marriage thing, which makes me question just how open minded he is....and also that he seems to have no clue about what transgender is..

[Dhalgren]

14. I'd rather have a pinot with Barack!

:thumbsup:

[AGirl]

19. I rather explain to him why I support same sex marriage and what it means to be a transsexual (me)

and why ex-gays are bad for glbt

[Dhalgren]

25. I agree that his positions on LGBT are not very good. I wish he

would come out more strongly for LGBT issues and renounce all those haters he has and is cultivating in the Christ group. What we are faced with is either finding a way to support Obama or voting for someone else in the GE. It is a simple as that. Currently I support neither Obama nor Clinton, but it looks like Obama will win the nomination. If he does, then what will you do? I think that both of the Democratic candidates are very much corporate candidates, but that is always the case in the GE. You get to pick a Republican Corporate candidate or a Democratic one or vote for someone else...

[donheld]

8. I would think that would be a good thing

People are sick to death of those who "seem like a U. S. politician.
Look at all the trouble those who do seem like politicians have caused.

[scheming daemons]

9. His APPEAL is that he isn't the typical U.S. Politician....

Sheesh... we ran a typical U.S. politician in each of the last 10 elections... and we won 3 of them... and in only 1 of them did we get 50% of the vote.


His ATYPICAL-NESS *IS* his appeal!!!

[walldude]

15. Exactly...

I guess different is bad... sounds like the Republican mantra to me.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

10. Innocent?

I thought he was an uppity sexist who hated Whitey. :sarcasm:

[Hepburn]

12. The fact that he does not seem like a lying pile of shit like way too many...

...US pols is a problem!?!?!?!

Wow....now that is a very sad commentary on what our system is all about!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

13. It's way past time to change that.

[Adelante]

16. He reached 50% in two national polls today

6-8 points ahead of the one who seems "like a US politician."

Can these arguments get any stupider? :eyes:

[hfojvt]

17. that's not what the polls say

"Over the same time span, Hillary Clinton's positive numbers rose from 39% to 45% while her negatives remained static, sliding up from 43% to 44%.

As for Obama, the more voters saw of him -- or, at least the more they learned about him -- the more they liked him. In March 2007 his positive numbers were 37% and his negatives were 17%. But some 26% said they were "neutral" about him and 20% said they didn't know -- nearly half of those surveyed. Now, Obama's positive-negative numbers are 51% to 28% with only 18% neutral and 3% undecided."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/maybe-bill-clin.html

Clinton 45-44 and static
Obama 51-28 and rising

[anonymous171]

20. 28 and rising with both Clinton and McCain attacking him.

Without Hillary Obama will be able to confront McCain charges and so stabilize his negatives.

[AlCzervik]

18. damning him with feint praise, interesting, this seems like a new tactic from you.

i guess you have try different things out right, run it up the old flag pole and see how it flies.

[damonm]

21. I continue to point to THIS:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

[OhioBlue]

22. Who wants a typical U.S. politician? n/t

[redqueen]

23. I think that's his strength, actually.

I think it's why he's seen to be so inspirational, because his image doesn't line up as well with the glad-handing politician caricature that many reject outright.

[melody]

24. Whoa, whoa, whoa -- "enlightened" = "European-like"?

Have you seen many European politicians?

Europe is not the gold standard (so to speak) for enlightenment. We're two entirely different cultures. To expect us to become like Europe (or be thought unenlightened) is almost as primitive a notion as expecting China to stop being so Chinese and become like the French.

They said the same thing about JFK -- the only people who made sure JFK was no longer President are the people trying to keep us "backward", so to speak.

Obama will win handily.

[LisaM]

26. I think it's a strength AND a weakness

He does seem to have more of an international persona than a typical American one. But his background easily explains that. I think there are positive associations with that (he'll be more easily able to relate to people from other cultures, his opinions are less likely to be set in stone regarding the American way, or the American position) and negatives (he sometimes doesn't seem engaged with mainstream America, it's hard to tell where his allegiance truly lies sometimes, since he's an embodiment of several cultures). I really don't know how it will shake out.

I don't think he seems European, though. European politicians seem to be more dynamic than what I've seen from him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. That's not the problem - that's the SOLUTION!!! What a refreshing contrast to Hillary.

[dcindian]

28. You just caught on to Obama's biggest draw.

America is tired of the Hillary's and it is showing in the primary. Hillary had a sure thing go down the tubes to wallow around in the cesspool of dirty politics all because Obama is something special. He is real you can feel it when he speaks, you can feel it in the little mistakes he makes.

McCain like Hillary cannot fight this since they are both part of Neo politics (the politics of divide and conquer).

[VotesForWomen]

29. you're right, only one of his parents was american, and his upbringing was certainly not 'typical' s

shall we say. i can't see him winning once all this stuff gets out, which it will.

[LisaM]

30. But I think that's okay. The same is true of lots of Americans

The "typical way" is really something that doesn't exist anymore. Small town America is gone; we are much more urban, we are much more globalized.

I am not supporting him because I like Hillary better (and I wish people could discuss this without saying things like "Hillary is wallowing in the mud") and think that her position on health care is more progressive. I also like that she says she would end No Child Left Behind, and I'm not comfortable that Obama seems to want to fund charter schools. But I think his international background is interesting.

[Adelante]

32. That's a great sig you have

:hi:

[Whisp]

31. huge problem - we must hold onto The Ministry of Keeping Things the Same

and we all know how well That's doing.
ugh

[backscatter712]

33. Yeah, he's not sleazy enough to be a U.S. politican.

None of the poo they fling sticks, man. Isn't that creepy?

:sarcasm:

[Skidmore]

35. Americans need to join the 21st century and

I plan to move them along.