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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:26 PM
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Why Wright Matters In The GE... A Lot.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:27 PM by Texas Hill Country
I have heard repeatedly that Wright doesnt matter in the GE because the Republicans/McCain live in a glass house... that is patently false!

Wright will have nothing to do with convincing people to vote for one candidate or another...

It will mobilize the Republican and conservative base unlike anything we have ever seen before!!!

You thought Gay Marriage got the rural vote to the polls... We are gonna see hillbillies coming in from the hinterlands to vote in droves!

Let me do some math...

African American Male Candidate + Muslim Name + Muslim Dad and Step Dad + Muslim School + Lapel Pin + Hand over heart + Michelle's comments + Michelles dissertation + Bat Shit Crazy anti-whitey damn america preacher guy + farrakhan = OMFGBBQ I gotta get to the polls and stop this crap.



Leave it up to the friggin democrats to totally F'up a cant loose election.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:29 PM
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1. Thanks for your opinion. Let's look at McCain, shall we?
Old senile white male + warmonger + mentally unstable + supporter of all things Bush + suck up to nutbag Hagee + .....you get the idea.

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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:36 PM
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14. you dont get it at all...
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:36 PM by Texas Hill Country
1. Most of america is white
2. half or more of america sees that the surge is working and iraq ratings are improving
3. he is a bit grumpy
4. yeah, and they went for Bush in 2004 and he had worse numbers then IIRC
5. hagee is only one part of the equation. obama has 10 times the obstacles... and the nothing scares the rural vote like an angry black muslim... not even the gays and not even Hillary.




Democrats have to stop pretending that the states that dont border and ocean arent part of America.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. I know quite a few White People who plan to vote for Obama.
I live on the Kansas and Missouri Border
I think you yourself don't really get it
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
50. Was there a chance
they would have voted pub before? And have they heard what this clown (Wright) has to say?
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #50
103. Yes..
And they are more concerned about their wallets and the economy than which witch doctor a candidate listens to.
You trying to squeeze something out of nothing on this one
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:47 PM
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113. I guess we'll see
I have absolutely no faith in the intelligence of most of the country and putting what will be perceived as an angry black preacher denouncing this country and white people along with it is going to scare the shit out of independents. I wish this country wasn't still horribly racist but it is.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #20
79. Yeah....atleast several thousand people will vote for Obama
but will it be over 50%....that is the zillion dollar question.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #79
104. I believe so
:)
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:17 PM
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63. So we shouldn't front the best candidate and stand by him because we're afraid?
We live the dream. Sure there are racists and sexists in the world; that doesn't mean that there aren't people who stand silently by and think otherwise who wouldn't step forward. Democrats have to quit living in fear and by the Republican script. I refuse to turn my back on others because it is the safe thing to do.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:32 PM
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90. Half see the surge is working!?!?!?!?
What planet are YOU from???
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #90
94. most recent poll i heard on news in last day or so
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:29 PM
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2. You worry for nothing.
This is just this weeks non-issue

Obama will do fine.Better than fine actually
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:31 PM
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4. love your trains.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:31 PM
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3. Mobilizing the Republican and conservative base? Isn't that Hillary's job?
:evilgrin:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM
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44. Naa. That's just another Obamite meme.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #44
56. they may hate hillary, but this stuff scares the ever loving crap out of them.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #44
65. I guess you haven't been paying attention for the last 16 years.
Or you don't know any Republicans. Or independents. Or a lot of Democrats, for that matter.

Hillary Clinton is overwhelmingly loathed by half the voters in this country. She cannot win a national election. That's not a "meme." That's a pillar of truth that no amount of spin can make a dent in.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:30 PM
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85. Actually, it's not a pillar of truth.
It is your opinion.

Most current Rasmussen polls show Clinton with 51% unfavorable (hardly "overwhelmingly loathed by half the voters in this country") and Obama with 46% unfavorable.

Same poll report states:
"The General Election is essentially tied no matter who the Democrats nominate. It’s McCain 45% Obama 44% and McCain 46% Clinton 44%"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:33 PM
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92. You know that 51% is a higher percentage than 46%, right?
Hillary-Hating has been a cottage industry since 1992. The Republicans cannot wait until November so that they can vote against her. They would do it if it took twenty years off of their lives.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:37 PM
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101. Yes, it is 5% higher. Hardly overwhelming.
And I agree, Hillary hating has been a cottage industry. One of the things I like about her is that she has withstood it for so long and with so much grace.

And I think Obama is equally able to withstand the Obama hating that will increase as this race goes on.

But my point was that this is a very, very close race and whoever the democratic candidate is is not going to have a cakewalk.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #101
107. I've never believed otherwise.
We'll have to work for it, no matter who the nominee is. Anyway who says otherwise, no matter who they support, doesn't know what they're talking about.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
78. Yeah, the GOP just loves the Clintons!
Yeah, that's the ticket!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #44
132. Wow, you just lost all credibility with that ignorant statement.
Plus, it showed you to be just another Hillary supporter hoping for something to bring down Obama.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #3
139. Hillary is not the enemy
.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:32 PM
Response to Original message
5. every politician has
a Jeremiah Wright. The Clintons have many.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:32 PM
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6. If this ends up mattering in the GE... then America doesn't deserve Obama......
...
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:43 PM
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24. and we deserve McCain for not putting up someone better that could win.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:28 PM
Original message
The worst killer is middle name....Hussein
Barack should have changed it before running for his first election.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:01 AM
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145. It's not the name
It's the person, the past, the policies and the attitudes.
And on DU at least it's the followers some of whom can curdle milk.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:59 AM
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144. "desreve Obama" - what a concept!
didn't his wife say something like that? It was in come interview where she came across with a very narrow and insular world view and a heavy does of superiority and entitlement

Sounded awfully entitled and arrogant

I don't deserve Obama I can tell you. I deserve a progressive leader who can get things done at home and end the war.

But I'll vote for him if he's all we've got and certainly hope he picks a steady and effective vp who can help keep him on track with the work that needs doing.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:32 PM
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7. His words arent new
Obama has BEATEN Hillary long AFTER Wright made those remarks.

You sound more like a Republican than a Democrat in your thinking.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:32 PM
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8. What a cluster fuck this is turning into. n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:33 PM
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9. This has been debunked, by your lack of links to support any of your opinions anytime.
There are other site you are probably more familiar with that encourage people not to post facts, or links.

You seem to be from that school of internet communication.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
27. I am sorry, i forgot that logic was an irrelevant factor here.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. Your assertian that 'your opinion = logic ' is a case in point. Their are sites where they believe
that, but this isn't such a site.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #35
58. Once the media dwells on this for a week or two and the polls start getting done... we shall see.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:33 PM
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10. I have noticed lately that all the newbies here on DU seem to be
hillary supporters....is it that they are being sent over by the clinton campaign
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. that's just stupid....n/t
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #10
29. More likely sent over by
Rush.
But who really knows for sure?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #29
39. That was my guess. The pot stirring and disinformation posted by this person
here as well as in other posts suggests that. It doesn't prove it, but that's my guess.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #39
62. I am stating my opinion... if you dont like it, put me on ignore.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:17 PM by Texas Hill Country
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. I don't put people on ignore. I'd rather challenge erroneous assumptions and corn pone-opinions
than hide from them.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #68
95. well, you had a fantastic rebuttal to my argument...
yawn
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #95
121. Here you go.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #10
31. dupe delete
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:47 PM by Zensea
whoops
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #10
40. You need better eyes. There are numerous newbie O supporters armed
with developed talking points.

Your perception that the problem is one sided arises from your assumption that "real people" hold the same views as yourself, so the numerous O-puppets are seen as sincere newly engaged people, while the H-puppets are seen as puppets.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #40
93. You so often say exactly what I am thinking
but much more eloquently.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:34 PM
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11. Yup, it all leads to the same storyline, disturbing questions in minds of Americans
about Obama. A Typical American who doesn't pay much attention to politics sees or reads or hears - "Obama is Muslim or has Muslim heritage, doesn't care about putting hand over heart in pledge of allegiance, has a preacher/spirtual advisor who blames America for 9/11"

That is all they will need to hear.

I'm afraid Obama is seriously damaged goods at this point.
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:34 PM
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12. If Clinton is nominated
and I will vote for her, if she gets it, you do not think the Republican and conservative base will be mobilized. Oh My God I can see it now. Hannity and Limbaugh will be ecstatic, manna from heaven, Thank you God. Over 50% of voters polled have negative impressions of her. Wrongly I believe. I we have messed this up, I would rather do it with Obama than to have another Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #12
80. Not to worry . . . never gonna happen! Have you seen the latest delegate count?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:35 PM
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13. Any suggestions?
It's not like HRC will keep them from turning out in droves.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. IMO far less... but I have no illusions about how slim her chances are...
it is more of a commentary about how friggin dumb we democrats are and why we loose every election. I know everyone fell in love with Obama on first sight... he is an ispirational guy, but DAMN, vett the guy first cause now we are screwed in what was previously a gimme election.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:36 PM
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16. And you're just all a-tingle, aren't you?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:38 PM
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19. I think it sucks... but democrats have to stop pretending that middle america isnt there
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. I'm a Democrat IN middle America.
Check Barack's national poll numbers. It's not that bad. People who don't like Obama's pastor's sermons wouldn't be voting for him anyway. Hell, they already think he's a Muslim. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)


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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #26
55. It not about getting people to vote dem... its about getting Repubs to the polls.
In 2004, electronic ballot bs aside, Bush won Ohio for one reason... Gay marriage got every rural voter out to the polls... it was the highest rural turnout in recent history.

And Gay marriage is not as scary to them as this crap.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #19
81. well, maybe WE should nominate McCain too, then....
Since either of our candidates are unacceptable to major segments of electorate, maybe we should make sure the person we nominate can get elected by nominating the same guy as the repubs.

That's the ticket.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:37 PM
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17. "It will mobilize the Republican and conservative base unlike anything we have ever seen before!!"
maybe not.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:41 PM
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22. I believe it will mobilize the Repugs. you see they think they own religion
they think they own patriotism, they will go to the end of the earth, digging up more on this.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:37 PM
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. I am not a troll, I just didnt wanna take the time to fill out a profile...
and you have no idea who i am, where i am from, what my background is, or my education level is, so please dont discount me out of hand and address the issue presented.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. you're right I don't know you but judging
from that thinly veiled right wing attack post... well.. if the foo shits, wear it.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #25
43. it's more of a reality check than a rightwing attack.
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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:45 PM
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28. Spoken Like a True Hillbot. Flush
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:10 PM
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52. I do support Hillary but can be very objective. This is a seriously bad issue.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #28
84. The turd's stuck in the bowl. . . this one needs a two-flusher.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:46 PM
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30. Hagee.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:11 PM
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53. Hagee Is Nothing Compared To This. Get A Grip Please.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
87. Hagee will not get near the numbers that Wright will to the polls.... not even close.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:48 PM
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32. Or we could give the Repigs The Lying Whiner and Her Cheating Husband...their choice
Obama is going to kick McCain's tired old ass....by a dozen percent or more.

Stay out of the way. We have plenty of supporters to get it done.


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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:49 PM
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33. Edit my comments
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:52 PM by DearAbby
What matters to me, are people dying in the middle east over lies, we are torturing people, over lies. We turn our backs on people based on what is in or I should say, not in their bank accounts, denying them decent medical care.

I can't speak for the other 340 million people in this country. I can only speak for myself.

I view this shit for what it is. SHIT. Cherry picking the most inflamatory statements made by this man, to instill fear of the Angry black man, is as racist as showing the photo of Obama in native Somali clothing. ITS A FEAR TACTIC. Same fecking terror tactics that was used in 2004.

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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:53 PM
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34. McCain will not touch this with a 100 foot pole
It is a non issue. McCain will come out in support of Obama on this issue since he cannot afford to offend the Christian majority or present himself as racist.

McCain has the white racist vote already and probably has a good 25% of the white Hillary racist vote too because of it. What he doesn't have is independents.

Obama has those, McCain will not risk this at all.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Silly. Bush never spoke favorably of the Swiftboaters. Not ever.
Of course McCain will hold himself above this. That's what 527s are FOR.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:01 PM
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42. It is not the same. There were questions about Bush's service
That was already plowed ground. Most saw the swift boat attacks as retribution for the attacks on Bush's service it could not harm Bush. If this even remotely has a chance of harming McCain it will not run.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:26 PM
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77. There are questions about Obama's patriotism and religion. It is the same.
I sincerely hope you are right about this, but I can envision legions of 527 groups writing up the ads right now.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM
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45. McCain doesnt have to mention it... the press will, swiftboaters will, talk radio will.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:09 PM
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48. We will see.
It seems the only place this is big news now is on radical right sites and here. This card has been played it didn't work well. McCain will be hurt by this in the general he will come out very strongly against this.


McCain cannot risk attacking Christianity.


Won't happen.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:25 PM
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74. McCain needn't say a word
That's what the 527 groups are for. The chimp denounced the swift boaters in '04. How did that work out for us?
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:36 PM
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99. I disagree McCain will work his hardest to distance himself from this.
Look at it like the Move on Betrayus ad. You cannot dis Christianity as a politician running for president in this country.

Once the 527 realize the damage they are doing to McCain they will stop or they will end up marginalized.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:42 PM
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108. But it wont be bashing Christianity
It will be bashing Wright and his church and since most Americans are not members of that church, I'm not sure what your point is.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:43 PM
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109. like that will stop the 527's... like they would even care...
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:12 PM
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54. Thank God The Rest Of Our Party Isn't That Naive.
Holy cow, is that way off base as it relates to the reality of the situation.

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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:16 PM
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59. Are you serious? This place wants me to give up being a democrat... reality and logic gone.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:23 PM
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71. Huh? I'm On Your Side. Not Sure What You Meant.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:26 PM
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76. I thought you were calling me naive lol, sorry. just getting a bit defensive.
If i am mistaken, i apologize.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:31 PM
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88. Nah. Look At The Post Mine Was In Reply To. It Wasn't Yours. :o)
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:14 PM
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57. He doesn't have to
that's what makes the 527's so dangerous. The chimp denounced the swift boaters in '04, didn't make any difference.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:31 PM
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89. McCain won't have to touch it. The 527's will do it for him.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:54 PM
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36. k&r
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:57 PM
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38. Let's face it. It'll mobilize the Progressive base unlike...
...anything we have ever seen before too. And isn't that the best possible outcome? A REAL election?

NGU.


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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:24 PM
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73. Senator Obama cannot win with just dems
He has to cross over to indpendents. That's why this is an important issue.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:59 PM
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41. On Morning Joe, McCain's campaign manager Charlie Black didn't take the bait
Several of the morning shows returned to the issue today. On Morning Joe, McCain's campaign manager Charlie Black didn't take the bait on the subject, saying:


Charlie Black: What Sen. McCain has said repeatedly, is that these candidates cannot be held accountable for all the views of people who endorse them, or people who befriend them. And fortunately, I heard you report earlier that Sen. Obama has repudiated these very unusual views. But what John McCain believes is that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton should be held accountable for their public policy views. The things we've described before. Big government vs. small government...


Joe: So this isn't an issue for John McCain.

Charlie Black: I don't think Sen. McCain wants to get in the middle of a discussion about Sen. Obama's former pastor, or his faith. He believes that people who endorse you, people who befriend you, are entitled to their own views, but you are not personally held accountable. That when someone endorses you or befriends you, they are embracing your views - the candidate's views - not the other way around.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/jeremiah-wright-obamas-_n_91555.html
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:05 PM
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46. I think voters will remember the prolonged, sadistic rape of Republican rule from 2000 to 2006.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:07 PM by Perry Logan
Anyway, I sure hope they do.

If we're dumb enough to elect another Republican, there is no hope for America.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:09 PM
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49. Dems are dumb enough to put up unelectable candidates...
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:09 PM
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51. Nah.... Hillary won't get the nomination, don't worry...
...
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:38 AM
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134. Looks like I have more faith in the voters than you guys.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:06 PM
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47. you're probably right. nt.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:16 PM
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60. I've got some math too
Hillary Clinton + Half the country hates her = We lose the election

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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:18 PM
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64. I did not state an opinion on that here... but living in denial doesnt help.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:23 PM
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70. If you're disregarding the long-standing and established fact
that HRC cannot win a national election, then you're the one living in denial.

The effect of the Wright issue has yet to be determined. It may be a problem. It may not be. But Hillary Clinton is downright LOATHED by half the country, and it's shocking to me to hear people who support her making predictions about anyone else being unelectable. If you've gotten this far into the primary season and have managed to ignore how hated she is, then there's no reason to take any of your doomsday predictions seriously.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:32 PM
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91. ONCE AGAIN I SAID NOTHING ABOUT HILLARY IN THIS POST!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY
THIS IS A REALITY CHECK NOT A SUPPORT OF HILLARY

did i say it enough times?
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:36 PM
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98. No, can you repeat that?
You don't need to say anything about Hillary Clinton in your post, because it's obvious that what you're getting at is the implication that Obama is unelectable, so everyone should turn away from him and vote for somebody else. Unless you're supporting Ralph Nader, I would assume that you're talking about Hillary Clinton.

If you're recommending some other Democratic candidate who's currently still in the primary race, then I stand corrected.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:16 PM
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61. So fucking what? It will all be about the economy.
You might as well vote Republican, though, if you really are that anti-Muslim. I mean honestly. If that's all you care about, well you will probably find a home in the party of intolerance.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:20 PM
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66. I lived in a muslim country for years... i am not anti-muslim.
the comments are a reflection of propoganda to come.

jeez!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:20 PM
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67. The only people that believe this
are the delusional people that think Queen Hillary should have been handed the nomination on a silver platter.
Hillary's negatives are so high she could never have won in Nov.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:22 PM
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69. Hillary would have a tough friggin time too, I am not saying anything about Hillary.
Jesus, talk about an us vs them mentality...


unity ftw! way to go obama supporters....

*rolls eyes*
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:49 PM
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115. Unfavorables: Clinton 51%, Obama 46%
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:00 PM
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126. we will see with MSM coverage of this in a week or so... then check the numbers...
those numbers dont matter anymore... this is a game changer.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:23 PM
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72. Horseshit.
(Hey! Enable your profile. It doesn't hide your approximate signup date by disabling it, FYI)
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #72
75.  what does anything on my profile matter... words matter right, judge me on my words.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #75
86. I am judging you by your words and your actions.
My judgment: Insincere Horseshit.

I could be wrong...
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #86
97. you are wrong, just FYI.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #97
102. Welcome to DU.
:hi:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:45 PM
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110. Thanks much. I look forward to many pleasant disagreements and similar vote castings :-)
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #72
82. Since you think this is an issue
My profile shows I've been here longer than you. If you don't think this is going to be an issue in the general, you're delusional. And McCain doesn't have to touch it. That's what 527 groups are for.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #82
100. What won't be a 527 issue? Why so scared?
It's ridiculous.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:41 PM
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105. This Wright issue is
just the kind of thing 527 groups were created for. You get to trash the candidate - doesn't have to be true - McCain doesn't have to approve it's message. Do you think the wingers are too moral to use this along with the stupid flag pin issue, the not putting his hand over his heart issue, the Michelle Obama saying she has never been so proud of this country issue and throw it together into a 30 or 60 second ad that blatently questions the Senator's patriotism? It certainly worked for the swift boaters and there wasn't a word of truth in that ad AND the chimp denounced it.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #105
116. And I can rattle off a dozen 527's for any candidate.
Fearing them is giving them power. Dealing with their false premise neuters them.

And only one candidate is giving voice to the folly of the politics of fear. That's the direction that I want to go, as should you.



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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:51 PM
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117. Since Bill is the only Dem to win the Presidency since 1980... i think they may have a clue
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #117
120. John McCain is a lousy candidate.
The only clue I need.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:37 PM
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128. I dont disagree... McCain sux. Still doesnt change the reality of the situation.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:55 PM
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123. Obama has my vote
that's not an issue. My worry is the independents that we need to put the senator over the top. I have no faith in the intelligence of the average voter and these 527 ads only need to appeal to the basest instincts of these people. That's what has me scared - the moronic American public.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:30 PM
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83. Did you get lost on your way to Freeperville?
I can post a link for you if you need it?

:hi:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #83
96. what is Freeper?
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #96
118. It's a reference to the Free Republic
There are many here who feel strongly that some of the newer people aren't who they pretend to be and that they are here to stir shit up and create divisiveness.

Low post counts and no profiles are often seen as signs of those people. Not saying it's right, just saying that's the way it is.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #118
124. Oh, thanks for the clarification... and no, i am not a troll, just lazy lol.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:41 PM
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106. yep, that picture's just too easy to paint, whether it's true or not. nt
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #106
112. way too easy.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:47 PM by Texas Hill Country
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:45 PM
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111. you do come from the Hill Country, don't you?
Sometimes I am just completely embarrassed by fellow Texans.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:48 PM
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114. Went to UT Austin for my bachelors... :-)
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #114
127. so did I.
Why are you biting on the most recent smear of Obama?

If you found out that your pastor had been molesting children, would that be a reflection on you?

or would you, in fact, have no connection to it?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:38 PM
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129. they have a closer relationship than just that... besides, in a 527 advert, that doesnt matter.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #129
133. so reality doesn't matter to you, only perception?
That is the curse of Modern Society.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:54 PM
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119. Thank you for your concern.
Go away, troll.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:55 PM
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122. Except all that is the noise below the surface
People will get e-mails, attack ads will be made, etc. but none of it will stick for the very simple reason that this characature is almost exactly the opposite of the way Obama comes across. For these kind of things to work, the characature has to be consistent with the public persona.

They called Kerry an inconsistent flip-flopper, which was reinforced by his long-winded and difficult to understand parsing of issues on the the stump and in debates. That stuck.

They said Dukakis was a bleeding heart soft on crime and soft on national security liberal. Then they showed images of him looking completely out of his element in a tank and in debates he came across exactly that way: soft, overly nice, etc.

So now they are going to attack Obama as an anti-American radical Muslim, but what about his public persona appears radical or anti-American? A couple photos. A few associates that don't act at all like him? The thing is that when he speaks, he makes people feel good about America and makes people feel proud of their country. I have a hard time seeing how this will stick in the mind of anyone who wasn't already looking for a reason to dislike him: i.e. the right winger who would have never voted for a Democrat to begin with. It MAY give an independent pause, but soon enough he or she will be reassured when actually seeing the actual Obama and will more likely than not vote with concerns of the economy.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:59 PM
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125. you think it might get a rural repub to the polls?
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:43 PM
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131. Perhaps it will have some effect on turnout for the Repubs
But certainly not anymore than having a well known polarizing figure like Clinton on the ticket.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:43 PM
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130. Why it will not be an issue at all
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:44 PM by ProSense
It is worth pointing out that John McCain's adopted daughter, Bridget, is originally from Bangladesh. Since Hussein is a very common name in Bangladesh, it is entirely possible that her birth father or grandfather was named Hussein. McCain certainly has Muslim relatives via adoption in his family. If Muslim relatives are a disqualification from high office in the United States, then McCain himself is in trouble. In fact, since Bridget is upset that George W. Bush doesn't like her "because she is black," and used her to stop the McCain campaign in South Carolina in 2000, you understand why McCain would be especially sensitive to race-baiting of Cunningham's sort. The question is how vigorously he will combat it; he hasn't been above Muslim-taunting in the campaign so far. (And, the McCains really should let Bridget know that she is Asian, not "black." The poor girl; Bush and Rove have done a number on her, and Cindy's confusion can't help.)


link

Obama addresses Pa.'s importance, pastor's remarks

McCain's Campaign Manager says Obama Shouldn't Be Held Accountable for His Pastor's Remarks

Get a grip!

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:42 AM
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135. There is nothing that will bring out Republicans the way the Clinton name will. n/t
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:51 AM
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136. It's the economy stupid.
Not saying you're stupid, just a known phrase....
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:46 PM
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137. Really? I can think of at least one thing that will mobilize them more..... Clinton.
As has already been demonstrated in TX, OH & MS.
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LuvMyPorsche Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:48 PM
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138. true
every last word is true.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:21 AM
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140. It isn't just the right wingers who are upset about this.
We "liberals" are pissed off about Obama's denials that Rev Wright was all that important to him or that he never heard the Rev say this shit and so on and so forth.

It is about Barry being a liar - and that doesn't just piss off the ultraconservatives.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:33 AM
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141. Let me give you another formula
White Female Candidate + Clinton Name + Married to Bill Clinton + Clinton Scandals + Irrational Hate that's deeply rooted = Huge repuke turnout that crushes dems completely.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:46 AM
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142. The good thing is that it's out in the open now.
I agree that if they sprung it in October, Obama would be toast. It's good it's happening now. If he can recover, and win the nomination, by the time the election rolls this will be old news.

Fresh air and sunshine is the best disenfectant
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:58 AM
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143. This is sickening!
Of course the Republican smear machine is going to play on cultural and ethnic differences in an attempt to scare white Americans. Of course Republicans are going to make appeals to some peoples politically correct sense of what patriotism is.

Those things are not - nor were they ever - a question.

The only question is - what are we going to do about it? Listening to many posters on this board, including the OP here, it would seem that they believe we should give up - that it isn't worth fighting for cultural understanding or against racism because the scary Republicans will attack us. WTF????? What is wrong with you people. It's like you are saying "The Republicans are going to try and lynch Obama, so we better do it first". It's sickening. A united Democratic front will be able to elect either Hillary or Obama this year - the only way we don't win is for us to do the Republicans work for them - and yet here many Democrats are doing just that - stoking the fire of false patriotism and trying to paint Obama as a scary black man. Sickening. Trying to play on the fears of what the scary Republicans will try an do to us as opposed to fighting against that which we know is wrong in our society - and in fact undermining that fight. Sickening.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:03 AM
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146. You are correct.
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Bentcorner Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:24 AM
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147. So anyone that was bothered by Wright's comments is a hillbilly?
You don't have to be a Republican or a hillbilly to have a problem with some of the stuff Barack's "moral compass" said about our country.
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