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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:49 PM
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Jeremiah Wright channels Chomsky
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:54 PM by lamprey
as the Obama-is-a-Muslim Hindenburg goes down in flames.

As the hours go by, with the Right fanning the flames of Obama's 'Radical Church' preacher, one set of hates is being replaced by another. I can imagine the conversation: (a) "Obama is a muslim, did you know ..." (b) "That's not the worst man, you should hear what his preacher said about ..."

Dealing with Wright's sound bytes will be a stern test of Obama's political skills. He only has seven months to deal with it ;)

I must say, the preaching of Jerimah Wright has been a huge surprise to me. Stripping away the hyperbolic conspiracies and racially colored language, here we have positions straight out of mainstream progressive left thinking made all the stronger for Rev. Wrights keen sense of justice.

That a leading Democratic politician has taken on board the outrages and hypocrisy of American imperialism, and, at the very least, integrated this into his world view, is enormously encouraging. Obama won't have to ask, 'Why do they hate us?'. He knows the history.

As jgraz said here 'Jeremiah Wright fucking rocks'. I find it hard to disagree.


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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:51 PM
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1. Add me to the list of dangerous subversives.
I find it hard to disagree either.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:55 PM
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2. That's not really the issue, though.
The problem is, how badly does this damage Obama's support? He can only win with crossover appeal and this doesn't help matters.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:00 PM
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5. Wright will be a test of Obama's political skills
The Obama is a muslim lie is dying, the primary season all but over, and the GE seven months away. If he can't defuse it by then, he's no politician.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:57 PM
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3. Agreed, but...
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM by gaspee
You really think any Democrat who had Chomsky as a close adviser, dare I even say, mentor, could ever win the GE?

How about a democratic nominee who
1) Had Chomsky as a mentor/adviser
2) His wife has been quoted as saying this is the first time she's been proud of her country
3) has been accused of not wearing a lapel pin because he is unpatriotic
4) has been accused of not putting his hand over his hear because he is unpatriotic
5) Is a first generation American

So, what do you think the chances of a Democrat with that kind of baggage can win the GE?

Obama cannot win the GE and we've now set ourselves up for another loss. How the hell did he even get this far without this shit being vetted?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:59 PM
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4. Makes you wonder, don't it? n/t
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:02 PM
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6. Obama has more 'Only in America' love
than just about any politician out there.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:09 PM
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11. Even worse, he didn't shake hands with Hill!!!!!! OMFG!!!!!! Obama's church is mainstream
America.

The UCC has millions of members in thousands of churches across the country.

Is Oprah going to lose her audience because she attends the same church as Obama?

I don't think so.

Hillary's tax returns will be a bigger problem, IMHO. What is she hiding?
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:11 PM
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13. check the donor list.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM
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7. Chomsky and Zinn are not going to be elected president anytime soon.
One can agree with Wright all day long, and it doesn't change matters any.

I agree with Richard Dawkins. I will never be president.

This is basic stuff.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:04 PM
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8. And neither is
anyone who considers either Chomsky or Zinn a close adviser/mentor.

Obama is unelectable.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:10 PM
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12. Attested to by the 14,000,000 votes he's gotten.
In a primary, fer crissakes.

Next.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:07 PM
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9. I think that Jeremiah Wright is right, but mainstream America usually disagrees with me
As much as I agree with his criticism of European/American imperialism, this is going to be tough for Obama to shake. He's been pretty good so far about sloughing off criticism and attacks, so we'll see.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:08 PM
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10. Unfortunately, however the Wright controversy raises raises the hypocracy factor for Obama.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:09 PM by Benhurst
He has run on a touchie-feelie non-confrontational platform offering vague promises of "Hope" and "New Politics." If he believes as Wright does, he should have eschewed the cotton-candy rhetoric and confronted the American people with the truth as he sees it.

As for reaching out to the Republicans, Pelosi and Reid have proven that doesn't work. Every politician from Nixon to George W. Bush has run on bringing us together. Give me a break.

If he shares Wright's world-view, then he shouldn't back away from it. As long as he continues to do so and campaign as the touchie-feelie Saint Barack of Chicago, I shall remain less than enthusiastic about his campaign. I don't like buying politicians in a poke.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:12 PM
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14. FDR was not exactly a fire and frimstone lefty on the way in
as I understand it. The 'New Deal' was intentionally kept a 'warm and fuzzy' beacon of hope in the campaign.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:28 PM
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18. True, but Obama's record in the Senate, doesn't give much hope
for another New Deal, nor does Clinton's. Voting against caps for interest on credit cards, is but one example. Being opposed to usury is a rather low threshold for a progressive, and he failed to meet it.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:30 PM
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19. I am certain how Clinton would govern - DLC all the way
I have HOPES about how Obama may govern. It's a lot better than nothing.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:39 PM
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21. I understand where you're coming from,
but seeing Harold Ford, jr. looking smug and pleased as punch talking about how he and the DLC liked both our front-runners, leaves me with very little hope.

I would like to be able to think your hopes are justified.

:hi:
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:12 PM
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15. If HAGEE is a non-issue, then Wright is too.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:37 PM
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20. HAGEE?
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:24 PM
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16. Could you expand ....

on your theme "Wright channels Chomsky". I think I like your position but you didn't include any of your insights - just conclusion.

"Stripping away the hyperbolic conspiracies and racially colored language, here we have positions straight out of mainstream progressive left thinking made all the stronger for Rev. Wrights keen sense of justice."

It would be great to see some of your thinking expanded.

Thanks

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:24 PM
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17. Glad someone is (like me) impressed by his honesty
United Church of Christ is my church and I've been horrified by the comments
of the sucky mainstream media, trying to characterize this denomination as a
"fringe group."

The church believes in REAL justice and, as such, many of its ministers have
the courage to criticize our country when it isn't living up to its stated
principles. Jesus throwing the moneychangers out of the temple wasn't exactly
a tea party, remember ...
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