HillaryClinton.com spreading Obama=Muslim smears ...

[dchill]

HillaryClinton.com spreading Obama=Muslim smears and other racism.

from dailykos.com

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/14/112126/498/436/476539

Of course, the Clinton campaign has denied pushing the Obama=Muslim plant smear.

Despite the words of Clinton endorser Bob "Secular Madrassa" Kerrey.

Despite the fact that multiple Clinton volunteer coordinators in Iowa were busted spreading it via email.

Despite "As far as I know."

Despite the fact that somehow the email traffic of this rumor tracks very closely with the primary schedule.

There's smoke, and then there's fire.

Now, I find it entirely plausible that the Clinton campaign doesn't willfully push the madrassa rumor (as opposed to Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright, terrorist sympathizer, Rezko, etc etc). But, there is no doubt that there is an organic movement within Clinton's own supporter base to push these racist smears and to use the campaign-funded website to do it.

So, Hill's shills here at DU can just pop on over to HillaryClinton.com and get it from the main vein! Hallelujah!

[leftofcool]

1. But, there is no doubt that there is an organic movement within Clinton's own supporter base to push

links please

[anigbrowl]

6. Why not go and read the Kos story, which has examples

http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Suzyyns-Blog/True-Obamalets/400038210&
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/4-Hills-Blog/Does-America-Know/400045119
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Mjbooggiers-Blog/Legal-State-Residence/400049442
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Voice-Abroad/Difference-Oj-Simpson/400053038
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Tezs-Blog/Time-Start-Fighting/400044335
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Renee-Floridas-Blog/Obama-Slams-Nader/400048290
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Kamis-Blog/Obama-Prez-Deadlyspread/400032094

and many, many more.

Big Kudos to Kos for uncovering this.

[leftofcool]

9. links to the actual blogs please

these links go to a login page

[anigbrowl]

29. So you don't have an account on hillaryclinton.com?

Not my problem. I notice they're being hurriedly cleaned up though.

Edit to add: here's an alternative: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+muslim+site%3Ahillaryclinton.com&btnG=Search

You will need to click on the little 'cached' link under the green URL, which will show you versions of pages that may have been removed since the Kos story went up.

[MethuenProgressive]

56. All those links are dead.

Because the posts were deleted when found offensive, just like at DU?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. I volunteered in both NV and TX and thousands of those emails went out right before the primary

I personally talked to several voters who had gotten them.

[CreekDog]

59. did they come from other Democrats?

did you have any way to know the origin of them? seems to be prima facie, but i was wondering if folks saw more evidence.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

62. The ones I asked said they got them from friends or relatives.

These things get forwarded so much that it's hard to know where they originate. All it takes is for a handful of people to send them to their distro lists and then they go viral.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. You make an accusation about a web site, but link to a different site

Very classy.

[AX10]

4. It's the Obama way.

[Umbram]

12. Naa, following links is just too difficult for you. (nt)

[dchill]

20. Don't bother clicking...

it's too much work, and you won't like what you see. That's the Clinton way!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

38. They are all dead links, dimwit.

If you had clicked on them you would know that.

[anigbrowl]

7. Try reading the Kos story

It is full of examples sourced from HillaryClinton.com.

[Mags]

57. Who believes KOs anymore? He is for Obama and Obama only.

maybe a 527 for Obama

[Umbram]

10. Confused much?

It only takes a shred of intelligence to follow along.

The story contains links. The post contains the direct links referenced by the story.

[dchill]

24. I guess I needed to give some remedial web instruction.

Not what I'd have expected.
;)

[Umbram]

74. No amount of instruction would have helped.

This is pretty much willful ignorance. I don't personally think that it's all that big of a deal one way or another, but seeing these people get so damn confused about the evils of the tricky, sneaky interweb is humorous.

Clearly some people think if a link is dead, whatever it pointed to NEVER EXISTED, despite the caches.

[dchill]

16. All these links are provided IN THE BLOG! Classy.

Read on.

http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Suzyyns-Blog/True-Obamalets/400038210&

http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/4-Hills-Blog/Does-America-Know/400045119

http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Mjbooggiers-Blog/Legal-State-Residence/400049442

[Inuca]

17. Did you click on the link in the OP

and then bothered to scroll down a bit? You will find all the examples you need with links to the blog on the official Clinton site.

[rinsd]

39. And all of the links in the diary are now dead.

Which means the Clinton campaign deleted them as one would expect when idiots post on one's campaign website.

[Inuca]

44. Seems like they were deleted BECAUSE

of the Kos diary and/or wherever else these entries may have been linked to. Check for instance the very first cache from here http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+muslim+site%3Ahillaryclinton.com&btnG=Search, the entry is from FEBRUARY 22nd!

[rinsd]

54. It looks like the Clinton campaign deletes this crap from their website.

Your cache goes back 10 google pages of obama muslim posts being deleted, far more than the Kos diarists article.

In fact what would have prevented the Kos diarist from using the cache like we are now?

After all the thrust of the article is the Hillary campaign actively encourages this stuff.

[Cant trust em]

5. Seems like these are supporters who post on the website

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like bloggers are posting it on Clinton's website, though it doesn't come straight from the campaign.

That being said, their site webmaster should clamp this down.

[dchill]

18. That IS the point...

but it hasn't happened, has it.

[EFerrari]

19. Plausible deniability anyone? n/t

[Cant trust em]

26. You can call Hillary Clinton many things. Dumb isn't one of them. NT

[EFerrari]

30. Maybe not a unit at a time but overall . .

:shrug:

[dchill]

41. Actually, you CAN'T call her anything...

without getting flamed.

[Ravy]

8. I think most Hillary supporters are trying to correct that, now.

I have seen many of them even posting videos of church sermons from the UCC that Obama attended.

[dchill]

28. Correct what? When?

Don't try to kid me.

[Ravy]

61. Correct the impression that Obama is a Muslim.

When? I think pretty much every chance they get, now.

[dchill]

79. I finally got it.

:)

[MethuenProgressive]

11. That's NOT kos, that's just some hack's blog.

Probably the blog of some DUbama.

[Umbram]

27. So, you were too lazy to click the links and verify the underlying facts? (nt)

It doesn't really matter if it's posted on www.I-LIE-THROUGH-MY-TEETH.com if it points you to the outside facts, now does it...

[dchill]

33. You mean you don't think kos is a hack?

You know he supports Obama, right? Doesn't that make him a hack? I know it's not kos - it's on the rec list. If you're not a regular at dkos, may I suggest that you'd be better informed if you were.

[OhioBlue]

13. omg! I am speechless.

I am sitting here in shock. :wow:

[Stephanie]

14. Here are the links to the Muslim smears at hillaryclinton.com >

These are just a few of the links provided in the Kos diary, along with excerpts from the hillaryclinton.com threads. You can click the Kos link to read the rest. The OP might want to edit to add a few of these, so the Clinton fans can quit with the deliberately obtuse replies. It's rather shocking that she doesn't have these smears deleted from her own website. But it's not surprising.


If This Is True about Obama...Let's Get It Out There!!
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Suzyyns-Blog/True-Obamalets/400038210&

Does America Know Barack Obama?
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/4-Hills-Blog/Does-America-Know/400045119

Legal State Residence - Obama Parents
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Mjbooggiers-Blog/Legal-State-Residence/400049442

The Difference Between The OJ Simpson Trial And The Obama Campaign?
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Voice-Abroad/Difference-Oj-Simpson/400053038

OBAMA AS PREZ COULD BE DEADLY-SPREAD THE WORD!!!
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Kamis-Blog/Obama-Prez-Deadlyspread/400032094

Barack the Psuedo Christian? Hussein his middle name?
http://connect.hillaryclinton.com/blog-entry/Renee-Floridas-Blog/Barack-Psuedo-Christian/400048549

[EFerrari]

15. That's our Hil.

:puke:

[Cant trust em]

22. I'd like to read these, but I'd have to register an account

I'll be damned if I'm going to register on Hill's site.

[40ozDonkey]

25. That's what I was thinking

I won't even subject my spam e-mail accounts to that tripe.

[Stephanie]

32. go to the Kos link and read the extensive excerpts

Hillary doesn't want you to read her forums, clearly. And no wonder! They're busy cooking up some crazily absurd smears over there.

[Whisp]

23. Hillary is such a disgusting person.

I am sickened by her.
truly sickened.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

31. The outraged replies to your links must be from psychics... they're dead links

[Stephanie]

34. Go to the Kos link in the OP to read the excerpts.

Or register for the fucking Hillary site and read them there. Don't you have an account?

[Umbram]

37. Erm, they weren't a moment ago. (nt)

[MethuenProgressive]

47. All your links are dead - is this a smear or a hoax against Clinton?

Looks like the Clinton web team deletes wako posts, just like DU does.

[Umbram]

21. We have DU'ers who are still calling Obama a Muslim. This is no shocker to me. (nt)

[Cant trust em]

35. Whenever people try to bring it up, just cut them off

All they're looking for is some meme spreading. As infuriating as these guys might be, arguing with them only fuels the fire and puts the talking point out there. The best technique is to tell them that you're onto their scheme and end the conversation.

[MethuenProgressive]

48. Link?

Can't, can you? :eyes:

[Umbram]

60. I can PM you the thread if you like.

I'm sure you are just waiting to click the Alert button on me for calling out a DU'er. It's not going to happen.

The user is on suspension and the post was deleted, but you can read the aftermath and it's pretty obvious what was said.

I'm not going to PM you without permission, seeing as how you've already accused me of personally attacking you.

[cbayer]

66. If the user is suspended and the post deleted

I would hesitate to maintain that that person is a DUer.

[Umbram]

71. Suspended, not TS'd, and a donor with a high post count.

I'm not going to play the guessing game here. If you don't believe me - I could care less.

If you want a link to thread, PM me.

I really can't imagine why this is so damn hard to believe.

[MethuenProgressive]

67. So, it's not plural, and it's not "still"... so what does that make your claim?

I know. Do you?

[cbayer]

64. Where? I haven't seen anyone say that. nt.

[rinsd]

36. No links in that diary appear to be working. Looks like Hillary's site deleted those comments.

But hey you've already got the torches burning for the fake outrage march so by all means continue.

[anigbrowl]

40. You can read the cached versions...

by going to http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+muslim+site%3Ahillaryclinton.com&btnG=Search and clicking on the 'cached' link underneath the green URLs.

[dchill]

43. Looks like the dkos article worked.

The links were functional just minutes ago. Cached versions are at Google.

[rinsd]

46. I found more articles deleted on Google than in the dkos article,

So it looks like the campaign went beyond the Kos article...if they were aware of it.

[MethuenProgressive]

50. Some ObamaBot probably posted shit that'd get deleted just to cause trouble.

And them ObamaBots post the stirred shit here.

[Inuca]

42. The original links from the Kos diary

seem to have been deleted. But thanks God for Google and its cache. Here is the link, compliments of a Kos poster http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+muslim+site%3Ahillaryclinton.com&btnG=Search. The actual links do not work, but click on "cached" and you will see the deleted blog entries, I checked a couple and they most definitely as outragous as the quotes in the Kos diary.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. links are still dead - so the Clinton web team deletes wacko posts just like DU does?

The OP is passing along a smear/hoax.

[Inuca]

49. Did you check the cached links?

The first entry is from February 22nd, the second from Feb. 25th, and I did not check the rest. Takes them a long time, don't you think? And by sheer coincidence they are deleted today.

[MethuenProgressive]

53. They were pobably deleted the day they were posted. This OP smells funny.

What if someone linked to all the deleted DU posts made by DUbamas against Hillary to "prove" how sexist DU was?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

51. Irony abounds... that is exactly what Bill O'Reilly did to DailyKos

[Umbram]

52. Again, you are too lazy (or should I say willfully ignorant?) to look into it yourself.

You can see what date each of those posts was made based on the post date of its cached copy.
You can check what date the blog was posted with live links, as of earlier.

You can determine for yourself whether they were deleted as a matter of standard operating procedure or deleted because suddenly HC's website was getting high traffic from KOS and DU.

OR...you can do what you've been doing and just make shit up without even bothering to pause a moment to look into it simply because it doesn't fit your agenda and/or your blinders don't allow you to consider such things.

[MethuenProgressive]

55. All the links are to posts that were deleted. This proves the OP is a hoax.

Umbran, why can't you ever make a post that isn't a personal attack?
I'm beginning to understand why you're on so many ignore lists.

[Umbram]

58. Erm...

If I write blog and link to a cnn.com story that later gets removed, my blog entry will have a dead link.

That story could have been there for two years and deleted the day after I posted by blog.

Explain to me your "hoax" theory...? It COULD be a hoax but you aren't spending the TWO minutes it would take in order to show anyone that. You don't want it to be true, therefore it's a hoax.

Pfft, I have no idea how many people have me on their ignore lists. I've had one post deleted in however many years I've been here and that wasn't for a personal attack. I call BS posts for BS posts. Please try to find a single instance where I've posted something like "hillbot" or "hillhound" etc.

I give poster the opportunity to be rational or irrational, and I call it from there. Now that I know that you take such things personally, I simply won't reply to you again.

I'm not looking for bruised feelings, I'm looking for common sense.

[MethuenProgressive]

63. Link to to webcam of Obama boinking the Easter Bunny!

www.thisisafakelinkjusttrustmeitwashereamonthago.con

[Umbram]

65. Alright, I guess we're done.

I wasted my time on that last post thinking you were interested/capable of having a discussion.

My bad.

[cbayer]

68. OMG, that is too funny. nt.

[MethuenProgressive]

70. It's TRUE! I posted the link! (geez, not my fault the link is dead...)

Must be a seekrit guvmint hellocopper orbitting DU zapping links!

[MethuenProgressive]

69. So, all the "links" are dead, and we are just supposed to "trust" that the OP is true?

Flame bait.

[TheZug]

72. Wonder how long they were on there?

[Umbram]

73. That'd be the question.

There's really not much of a story here. It shouldn't shock anyone that stupidity gets posted on message boards. It does seem to be shocking to some Hillary supporters, for whatever reason.

The ONLY question would be whether the posts were allowed to sit there, and even that barely matters.

The clueless people on this thread who smacked their keyboards like cavemen to discover the links are broken are incapable of following the directions to check the cached versions and therefore have concluded the internet is black magic voodoo and have moved on.

[Lannigan]

75. Hillary supporter who HATES this lie!

Yes, I'm still a Clinton supporter, and I have to tell you - I have told EVERYONE I've come in contact with who is spreading this lie that it is a LIE. I've gotten the emails, and replied "all" to let them know it's all BS. I sent them the link to snopes to show them that anything can be made up or manipulated. Unfortunately, most people who are believing/spreading this are of the older generation (my parents/mid 50s and older).

I'm doing my part to shoot this one down, even though I'm in the "other" camp.

[Stephanie]

76. HAH! Clinton campaign, BUSTED, deleted the pages.

A few hours ago the links led to a registration page. Now they lead to "page not found." I guess they tolerate that stuff until they get caught.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

77. Typical

I swear her campaign is identical to a GOP run campaign. It really is disgusting.

[MonkeyFunk]

78. Not at all

evidently these are blog posts on the site, not from the campaign - and they were deleted.

I could go to Obama's site and post a lot of shit, then complain that Obama's site hosts it! Of course, they'd delete it, soon, and I could come back here with a lot of dead links, too.