I am so angry right now

[gaspee]

We're going to be stuck with at least another 4 years of Republican rule, the Supreme Court will go to the dark side for the next generation, maybe two and it's all Obama's fault with his out of control thirst for adulation and power.

If he had just waited until he finished at least one term in the Senate... if he had wanted the Vice Presidency instead of the Presidency... we could have had 16 years of Democratic Presidents.

Instead, his uncontrollable ego told him to break his promise to complete his Senate term and run for President. He must really think thinks he's the "savior" if he thinks running for President at his age and experience level was a good idea.

Here's a clue, all you people who think he's "can't miss."

1.) Obama's spiritual Adviser can be painted as a "Blame America Firster" through the use of his own words and it's on VIDEO. This isn't some distant supporter. This is the man who married him and his wife, the man who baptised his children - the man who -- brought him to Jaysus!

2.) Obama's wife is on video saying this is the first time in her adult life she's been proud of her country.

3.) There's a stupid assed meme out there that he's unpatriotic because he doesn't wear a lapel pin because he's unpatriotic.

4.) There's a stupid assed meme out there that he doesn't stand for or put his hand on his heart for the national anthem.

5.) He is a FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN

Damn it! I actually am a "blame America First (or at least aportion a lot of the blame to the US) person and I actually agree with a lot of what Obama and his wife and his pastor have to say, but I"M NOT GODDAMNED STUPID ENOUGH TO THINK ENOUGH PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME TO BECOME PRESIDENT.

Obama is unelectable. Clinton would have been a hard assed fight but could have won - barely, but since Obama's getting the nomination, it's a moot point.

The one Democratic candidate that could have won this election by a 10 point spread dropped out because he didn't want to stand in the way of history -- which is how this damned campaign has been touted since the beginning.

I am so angry right now it's not even funny.

I blame Obama's unbridled lust for power and adulation. If he had waited, or teamed up with Edwards as Edwards's Veep, then this would have been a slam dunk election. And guess what, Obama then would have been president for 8 years. Oh, and he'd have been just barely 50 years old.

Gah - Democrats - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, again!

Obama will be lucky to win 10 freakin states come November.

About the only hope I have right now is that We get a Gore/Edwards or Gore/anyone ticket coming out of the convention.

If you think Obama can stand up to the treatment he's going to get in the press as compared to "war hero" John McCain, you've got another think coming.

[ronnykmarshall]

1. Oh dear.

:hide:

[Voice for Peace]

71. this is a hilarious thread.

thanks for the laugh everyone!

Don't worry gaspee, everything's gonna be all right you'll see.

[roguevalley]

146. wow

what hilarity:


All of them are hilarious but these three really take my breath away:

"3.) There's a stupid assed meme out there that he's unpatriotic because he doesn't wear a lapel pin because he's unpatriotic."

I don't wear one and never will. Its a right wing bullshit thing to do. Until they are ass-kicked out of power, I will not wear one or fly my flag. Get over it.

"4.) There's a stupid assed meme out there that he doesn't stand for or put his hand on his heart for the national anthem."

MY grandpa never put his hand over his heart. He ALWAYS STOOD because that is what everyone did until the RIGHT WING DIPSHITS added the hand bit. My grandpa enlisted in WWI and was a devout American. I will trust his judgment in what makes an American -he even stood in the house when the anthem was played - than the DIPSHIT RIGHT WING!

"5.) He is a FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN"

This remark is the worst thing I've seen said about Mr. Obama. So, I can only assume your ancestors came over on the mayflower? Good. THey were met by some of mine. Any American is an American, we don't prioritize. this isn't a monarchy, its a democracy. Mr. Obama's mother was American and he was born in America. His father is Kenyan. That doesn't mean that he's only one generation in America. Count his mother's generations if it means anything to you. John McCain, in your estimation, is also a first generation American being born in Panama. I think this is as sucky a thing to say about anyone as I've seen on this board.

Amazing.

[Voice for Peace]

166. I apologize if my comment was inappropriate. FYI I'm an enthusiastic Obama supporter. The hilarity

I was referring to had to do with the ridiculous stream of back and forth
comments between most of the participants... it struck me at the time as being
hilarious in its utter absurdity.

[gaspee]

195. Are you FUCKING STUPID

I don't have a problem with the asinine lapel pin, the fucking anthem or his heritage - but those are the things that make him unelectable. PERIOD.

And wahhhhh-wahhh-wahhhh

Anyone criticizes Obama and they're a racist or a xenophobe.

I am so fucking sick of it.

We're going to lose because of idiots like you.

For the record, I am an atheist, feminist, lesbian, socialist who thinks a one-world government would be a great idea. So quit it with trying to paint me as some flag waving, war cheerleading rightwinger.

Moron. And I believe you're native american, all right. Idiot. Oh, and by the way, my family is Narragansett. Google is you're friend if you're stupid.

[Hawkowl]

197. Moved

[anonymous171]

2. Obama will kick McCain's ass three times over.

The patriotism thing is really easy to dispel with correctly placed ads and counter attacks.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. If this country isn't ready for change this election cycle, it will never be.

[bellasgrams]

41. But what KIND of change is the nation hater going to bring us?

[crispini]

53. "the nation hater"?

:eyes:

ignored

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. You'll soon find out.

[roguevalley]

147. I personally hope he outlaws bullshit.

[femrap]

69. Go back and study our history....

Americans may say they want change, but they don't vote for it. The changes he talks of are the same as HRC's. HRC offers something familiar to the American people...I don't see Middle America electing BO. It won't happen.

[milkyway]

86. You're right. If it weren't for Junior, Obama's campaign probably would not be where it is right

now. I had thought that the disastrous, radical presidency of Bush would result in the pendulum swinging in the opposite direction just as far. But what's changed just as much in the opposite direction isn't policy positions, it's the candidate himself--he's black and can win!

While Obama's policies are pretty much the standard Dem policies of today, what's so extremely different is Obama himself. He's such a different candidate that he makes Hillary, a woman, seem like the status quo.

If Obama would be following a more generic repug presidency, like bush sr., he would be having a tougher time breaking through. But the country is so sick of junior that it is willing to vote for a candidate that is very different.

[DemBones DemBones]

100. Dream on. Those Republicans who crossed over

to vote for Obama just wanted a weak nominee. Mission accomplished, Obama leading in delegates at present, now the media starts going after him. You guys didn't vet your candidate and he's getting vetted and filleted now.

The crossover voters will vote for McCain in November, a lot of Dems will vote Green rather than support Obama, and McCain will win.

NO CHANGE.

(P.S. Obama wouldn't really change things, anyway. He's an armchair radical, likes to get his fix of rhetoric at church, then operate like all other Republicans.)

[KittyWampus]

170. actually, exit polls show Hillary being the GOP'ers choice amongst those who want to fuck Dems over

[PetraPooh]

182. Please don't speak for me. I am a crossover, and will vote for BO in the GE

[paulk]

15. kind of like how Kerry fended off the "flip flop" and

"swiftboat" attacks. And how easily Gore "the guy who invented the internet" debunked that nonsense.

[anonymous171]

23. Kerry wasn't able to fend them off because he didn't even respond until 2 weeks.

And Gore won the election that time, so the attacks didn't work.

[JoFerret]

155. He has shown no evidence of such ability. Dream on

Would it were so.

[CatnHat]

191. The only ass Obama

will be kicking is his own. He ruined the democratic party with his arrogance and power hungry ego. The OP is right. At this point, no one wants him, even in 2012. His political aspiration for president is just about over; and he has no one else to blame, but himself. I agree 4 more years of republicans, thanks, Mr. Hope. Next time, do us all a favor, don't run.

[Texas Hill Country]

3. I agree 100%... even Clinton/Obama would have done it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. Lol.

[niyad]

4. here;s your flame suit

[gaspee]

60. I was ready for it

When I felt like ranting. There are an awful lot of "ignored" posting on this thread.

[hisownpetard]

5. Well, with Democratic "supporters" like you, how can we possibly go wrong?

:thumbsdown: :nuke: :thumbsdown:

[EffieBlack]

10. Yes. Let's pick nominees who are just like Republicans

so we don't have to worry about Republicans picking on us.

:sarcasm:

[jgraz]

18. Hey, what do you think the Clinton campaign is all about?

Admittedly, she'll have to get a bit more subtle with the racist attacks if she really wants to pass as a Republican, but she's well on her way.

[knixphan]

25. zing!

[redqueen]

55. That's the DLC way!

:woohoo:

[milkyway]

89. Yep, let's first run our nominee past Fixed News for their approval. We'll end up with Lieberman.

[ExtraGriz]

7. all those red states he won and hoped to go blue in nov.

wright just flushed all of them down the toilet....the red states are gone when the 527 ads begin.

[Texas Hill Country]

16. BINGO... every battleground state now gone. done. over.

[EffieBlack]

153. Right.

Not.

[JoFerret]

157. This "pastor' stuff has very long legs I fear

And i do fear it because there is an element of great unfairness about it. however - there is great "unfairness" about the pastor's ranting too.
Does he KNOW that Obama's mother was a woman? And white?

[DemBones DemBones]

107. I don't think he could have won them, anyway, even

if he'd managed to bury all the info about his ties to Wright. Idaho vote Democratic? Utah? South Carolina?
Georgia? Texas?

:rofl:

[Gore1FL]

151. Actually

SC and Texas are in play according to current polls,as are a bunch of Other "red" states, like VA, One of the Dakotas, CO, NV...

[PetraPooh]

183. What I'm hearing in Idaho, a red state; is that Wright is right, callous but right.

[Omega3]

207. thanks for the laugh! :) NOBODY believes you.

[Kittycat]

8. The sky is falling - the sky is falling.

Whatever Chicken Little.

McCain, by his own admission, stated that economics is his weak point. Most people want out of this war, and there's no way the economy will improve while we're at war.

If we can put the kitchen back in place, even with duct tape - McCain doesn't stand a chance.

[femrap]

72. BO doesn't have any economic

experience either. He's never been a Governor. He has no foreign relations experience. He has no experience PERIOD.

You are so deluded....get out and talk to people. Dems around here are simply baffled by BO...they say...'the kids like him.' Believe it or not, that's not a reason to vote for him.

[milkyway]

104. You picked a bad day to post this nonsense. New poll of Cali shows Obama doing much better than

Clinton against McCain.

Rasmussen Reports just released a new poll of California:

Obama 53%
McCain 38%

Clinton 46%
McCain 39%

Seems like you are the one that needs to get out and talk to people. You say, "Dems around here are simply baffled by Barack Obama." Thanks for pointing out the fallacy of Clinton's ridiculous "big-state" argument. She beat Obama by 9 pts. in Cali, yet Obama does 8 pts better against McCain. Why? Hillary has pointed it out herself--she doesn't do well when repugs and indies are allowed to vote in a primary. It's so unfair to her! Well, guess what? They made up 63% of the electorate in 2004, and they all get to vote in the general--and most of them won't vote for her.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/california/california_2008_presidential_election

[cbayer]

120. That's just California.

These are the national numbers:

Obama 44%
McCain 45%

Clinton 44%
McCain 46%

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[milkyway]

128. Huh? I was responding directly to his post about "Dems around here." His avatar is

California.

"You are so deluded....get out and talk to people. Dems around here are simply baffled by BO."

My point is that apparently the people in Cali that he talks to aren't representative of the state. And to use "people he talks to" as evidence of anything is ridiculous.

[cbayer]

131. Oops, my bad.

Sorry. I did not catch his California reference.

[MojoMojoMojo]

135. Poll is a few days out of date,before Obama's hate America campaign

Those Republicans would likely have voted for Mccain anyway.Now its definite.

[femrap]

168. This is one state....CA.

Did you think it was a poll for the entire country?

[Kittycat]

116. You're so clueless.

Everyone around me supports Obama. I don't know a single person anywhere, in real life that has shared with me, their support of McCain or Clinton. That goes for every progressive, liberal, even my fundy parents are voting for him.

[femrap]

169. I'm so happy for you little kittycat...but that's rather

scary that all the people you know agree...do you live in a cult?

I must the only person in this big world that supports HRC because she has worked so hard for women and children.

[boppers]

175. "He has no foreign relations experience"

You know nothing about one of the top two candidates for the party? Are you sure you're on the right discussion board?

Here, read up on your right-wing talking point:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803040006

[femrap]

202. Two years in the Senate....

And all of those meetings he held as chair of the subcommittee about the Afghanistan War....how many meetings did he call? How many was it??? Try ZERO. He could have least named someone else to lead the meetings.

But it's just a war with the Taliban. Hell, the Taliban just murder women on a daily basis...who cares about that? Women know better than to step out of place...right? They'll get what's coming to them if they work outside the home or try to get an education.

Actions speak louder than words.

Another newbie who just discovered politics....they're a dime a dozen around here lately.

[redqueen]

11. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

I don't share it, but ...

:hi:

[jgraz]

12. Please tell me this is a poor attempt at satire.

:wow:

[NanceGreggs]

13. Could you please PM me tonight's winning lottery numbers?

Being as you know for a fact how everything is going to go down in future, I thought you could use your Nostradamus-like powers to help me out.

[hisownpetard]

27. Winning numbers - 2025-O!

[femrap]

76. You're the cocky one....and so

sure of everything. Thought you already had them. With BO, it looks like the apple didn't fall far from the tree. His excessive ambition will be his downfall.

Resign yourself...Pres. McCain

[NanceGreggs]

88. Huh?

I've never said that I know for a fact which Dem candidate is electable over the other. I've also never said that Hillary wouldn't win over McCain were she the nominee.

In today's political climate, I am confident that any Dem will be the winner in November - and that has more to do with the GOP's waning popularity thanks to the past seven years than any individual candidate.

At this point, it's not even a matter of what the Dems have done, or will do right - it's the fact that the Republicans have fucked up so incredibly.

As for Obama's "excessive ambition", I don't see it as excessive at all. That may be your take on things; that doesn't make it a fact.

[femrap]

101. BO seems to be following in his

father's footsteps. BO's excessive ambition has been mentioned over and over by people I talk with. He puts people off except for those who are looking for a hero. Most of us are beyond that. We want a capable, experienced leader who can do solve some of these MASSIVE problems we are facing.

W isn't going to campaign for McCain...he'll talk about Raygun.

American's don't vote for change....they may say they want it, but they don't vote for it. Look back at history.

[NanceGreggs]

110. " BO's excessive ambition has been mentioned over and over ...

... by people I talk with."

Well, that's PRETTY OVERWHELMING evidence in support of your position!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

156. Yep.

Those refutations are pretty much inarguable, and are therefore used often in GD-P!

;-) At least, some people say...

[femrap]

177. so you don't talk with people?

Don't you like to hear other's opinions of the campaigns...or do you do all the talking like you do here?

This primary race may not be decided until the Convention in August...so I'll just ignore your jabberings until then.

[NanceGreggs]

178. I think everyone here "talks to people" ...

... myself included.

I just don't think that "I heard it from the people I talk to" is concrete evidence that an entire nation is thinking one thing or another.

There was a survey recently cited here that 13% of those surveyed believe that the sun revolves around the earth. Does that mean it actually does? Or more to the point, is that "proof" that the sun revolves around 13% of the earth?

You're right that this race may not be finally decided until the convention -- which is why I have a problem with those who "know for a fact" how the majority thinks or feels.

Please feel free to ignore my jabberings for as long as you like - I'll try to get over it, somehow, some way ...

[milkyway]

113. Why do you use as evidence for your views the people you talk with? Maybe you need to be talking

with different people, because your people aren't very representative of the rest of the nation.

The people I talk with have never mentioned Obama being excessively ambitious. And, btw, just how does a person become president without being ambitious? By laying on the sofa all day watching reruns of Gilligan's Island and hoping someone hands you the presidency? (that only happens to junior)

[femrap]

176. Maybe I'll have my people call

your people. I believe BO has personal ambitions....he wants to be President. HRC has ambitions to be President so she can solve problems and help Americans.

That's my opinion of him...I don't think the needs of this country are his first priority.

[Bullet1987]

14. STFU...

[paulk]

22. now there's a thoughtful response -

Hope the Obama campaign does a little better addressing this issue...

[JoFerret]

158. Let's see if this story is still alive and kicking in a week.

If it has ANY life (and how can it not) then it may be all over.
No wonder you are upset.
The dream this time may be done.

And i have to say those sermon videos are hateful and disturbing to many people of all kinds.

[Nitrogenica]

17. Um...FYI: Bill got a blow job in the White House.

If you don't think that and 100 other smearable things about Hillary aren't an issue then you're brain dead.

You're ignored.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. and you Obama peeps scream bloody hell about Clinton peeps using Repuke talking points...get real!

[jgraz]

39. Sorry -- Obama Peeps

Anybody else think we need a new product this Easter? :rofl:

[rodeodance]

124. good gawd--WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH BILL'S PENIS?

[shaniqua6392]

136. Sometimes that is all they have to fall back on....

No pun intended. When all else fails and you can not make your point, bring up Bill Clinton's penis to distract the people!!

[JoFerret]

159. Who knows. But "Pastor" Wright is obsessed with sex also.

Is it a pattern?
But I understand he has retired and another prophet has "ascended".

[Breeze54]

208. Hiilary has a penis and got a BJ too?

:wow: The things I learn on DU!! :crazy:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. I concur

[jgraz]

31. Pardon me while I die of not surprise

:eyes:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

44. come here and give me a kiss

:*

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

20. it's all.....Obama's......fault. Riiiiiiiiiiight. Okey-doke.

[JuniperLea]

21. Don't blame me... I voted Edwards...

I should just go get the bumperstickers made now...

[femrap]

77. Good one!!!!

Can you order me a t-shirt? Thx.

[JuniperLea]

105. I could make a killing!

I'd be honor bound to donate all the money toward research on the powers and dangers of political Kool Aid poisoning though... dammit.

[femrap]

172. Not only do you have a sense of humor,

but you have a conscience! There must be social scientists who are studying this Kool-Aid phenomena.

I wonder what kind of explanations they have...?

[Midwestern Democrat]

200. My sentiments exactly. John Edwards was - BY FAR - the EASIEST

candidate choice I've ever had to make in a presidential primary - and I'm more and more proud of having made this choice each and every day.

[Mooney]

24. I love unsubstantiated opinions based on nothing.

Have you noticed that outside of the most fervent members of the Democratic base, that Hillary Clinton is actually deeply despised?

I don't consider Obama to be a sure thing by any means, but not being loathed by half the country certainly plays in his favor.

[jgraz]

28. Wow, have you come to the right place then.

[Mooney]

48. Tee hee. n/t

[SeaLyons]

54. for someone deeply despised she

certainly has gotten very close to the same number of votes as Obama. I disagree that she is despised. She has a great deal of support. They're virtually running neck in neck.

[redqueen]

62. That's "neck and neck". (nt)

[Mooney]

64. He's ahead

And since he hasn't been a household name for the better part of two decades, or the presumptive frontrunner for over a year, I think the fact that they're almost tied, with him ahead, says much better things about his electability than hers. She should have put him away six weeks ago.

[BornBlue]

70. This is a primary, it only polls one party(or should)

so you see, the 1/2 of the country that hates her, they don't typically vote in DEMOCRATIC primaries, unless of course they listen to Rush.
There is a long time before the GE(a whole baseball season and almost 1/2 of the football season), we are going to hear scandal after scandal on both sides. Does anyone remember just a few weeks ago McCain was being accused of helping lobbyists? Or how-a-bout the Haage(sp?) endorsement? We NEED to STOP fighting between ourselves, we need to stop giving the republicans ammo, and we need to turn the attention back to changing this country for the better, not falling into the same divisive traps that have held us back for so long.

[coalition_unwilling]

92. She has a great deal of support from DINOs who have no problem

shedding the blood of 1,000,000+ Iraqi civilians. The blood is drip, drip, dripping off HilBilly's hands.

[cbayer]

125. As I pointed out to you in another thread,

what you are saying is an unsubstantiated opinion based on nothing.

Clinton has high unfavorables (51%). Obama has lower, but still high, unfavorables (46%).

That does not equal her being deeply despised outside the most fervent members of the Democratic bas. Nor does it equal being loathed by half the country.

Anymore than it equates to Obama being loathed by almost half the country.

[MojoMojoMojo]

137. You have no idea how much hatred will be levied upon Obama

After the public sees the God Damn America swiftboat video 10 times a day for a month.Obama with his hand on his crotch while the national anthem plays and Wrights voice in the back ground.
This will bring GOP voters out like never before .

[jgraz]

26. And yet somehow, you weren't pissed at the 12 years of Repug rule that the Clintons ushered in...

:shrug:

[knixphan]

29. correction.

You're angry because Hillary is losing. Understandable.

[gaspee]

36. Yeah, right

I was an Edwards supporter from the get go. The only campaign I gave money to was Edwards. I voted Clinton in my primary because I was left with only two choices - but nice try.

That will sure work in the general - blame Clinton when he's running against McCain. Great strategy!

I'm already reconciled to Obama getting the nomination and have been for weeks now.

[AX10]

32. Oh well...

[LSparkle]

33. Randi is playing an extended excerpt from Wright's sermon now ...

In context, what Wright is saying makes sense. He's saying that Obama is more like
Jesus than many of the other candidates (including Hillary, but also Giuliani) in that
he's had to deal with being a societal "outcast."

This is going to challenge Obama but if he can deal with this effectively, it'll be a
huge step away from jingoism and toward this country facing up to its past (which is
essential before we truly move forward). Are we going to keep silencing people like
Wright, who speak the truth in essence but who are continually marginalized by being
taken out of context? Or are we going to quit letting the right wing tar and feather
people who dare to reveal the man behind the curtain?

[knixphan]

34. seconded.

[LSK]

40. third

I am listening too and wondering what the hell is the big deal. The man speaks the truth and people should grow the fuck up and accept it.

[Dhalgren]

82. I have been trying to say the same thing all day!

I am not an Obama supporter nor a Clinton supporter, but this "flap" over Reverend Wright is just stupid. I agree with almost everything the reverend said. His wording was colorful and dramatic, but then that is how preachers preach! I think that this could be a problem for Obama in the fall with the 527s and all, but he seems to already be handling it very well and if he can put it behind him then it should be no problem. Reverend Wright is an American citizen and as such he can say pretty much anything he wants - I think that this is a big non-issue...

[MadAndy]

73. If he can deal with this effectively it will be a miracle. This is bad.

[Pirate Smile]

84. I kept muting my TV when this stuff came on yesterday. I was filled with dread.

I saw all the hand-wringing yesterday and last night. I had read but not listened to Wright.

I've listened this morning and I'm just not as freaked out about it anymore.

I think perhaps we are in an inoculation phase. Most people can relate to the "crazy uncle" idea. I've also never thought that I supposedly somehow agreed with what the Priest at my Parish or even the Pope says. Frequently, it is just an embarrassment. Maybe it is just my mood but while I think this will be a recurring issue, it will pass.

Obama will have to explain it over and over again but he can do that.

[femrap]

85. That does it....BO is now Jesus????

That'll go over really big! Now we have Jesus running for the Dems....I thought the wingnuts were the Repugnants, not us.

I thought we stood for separation of Church and State.

This is a fucking nightmare.

[LSparkle]

103. NO, he is NOT Jesus, but he has had some similar experiences

Good try at GROSS generalization. We DO stand for separation of
church and state, but pointing out that one of our candidates has
actually dealt with NOT being among the privileged few in the form
of a Biblical analogy in a church is not a violation of that.

[femrap]

174. Like Kucinich? His family lived in

a car for a while when he was young.

[LisaL]

122. It seems like many obamaites think he is close to Jesus.

They shake and cry in his presence, or faint.

[femrap]

205. It's scary. Hero worship always

leads to broken hearts.

[coalition_unwilling]

95. Thank you for that - finally a voice of reason -n/t

[latinolatteliberal]

109. well said. n/t

[Two Americas]

114. of course

I agree with Wright. But are we going to run in the general with that platform? Are we really? I am ready, but I do not think that many people here are, let alone the general public. The "transcending the divisions of the past" theme completely contradicts what you are saying. The general public is going to see the unity and hope message as completley oppositional to Wright's remarks. They need not be contradictory, but we have a lot of work to do if the message is going to have any chance whatsoever with the public. The first step is to figure out just what that message is going to be.

If we are going to run with what you are saying, we had better get busy and stop feuding with each other. We have a mountain to climb.

[lumpy]

139. Groan

" Obama is more like Jesus than any of the other candidates " Please

[Whisp]

35. Hi, Bill. How's it hanging? nt

[LSK]

37. you mean like how the press treated "war hero" Kerry?

I think you are wrong.

[gaspee]

50. You dont' get it

There is a double standard for Democrats and we all know it.

The republicans can put up draft dodgers and Cheney who got 5 deferrments while John Kerry, who actually served his country honorable was destroyed in the pres.

Not acknowledging the double standard doesn't make it go away.

[reflection]

38. I feel your sense of hopelessness.

But to say Obama has "uncontrollable ego" and "unbridled lust for power and adulation" is specious. Not a soul running for President doesn't have a powerful ego and a lust for power (except for perhaps Fred Thompson, who will be the answer to a Trivial Pursuit question in a few years).

It is not anyone's place except the collective voters to tell Obama to wait his turn. His turn is when it is, and when enough people say it is. To argue otherwise is madness.

[DJ13]

42. So its Obama's fault Hillary's ego wont let her face reality?

:eyes:

[babylonsister]

43. Are your eyes brown? nt

[cooolandrew]

45. He has showed far more diplomacy in his conduct and is deserving of the nomiaintion on this alone

It is outrageous to say one candidate has entitlement the publica at large decide and that is democracy and that vote should berespected or it is a fraud. There is no evidence to say he wont get the presidency it is the same logic that said he wouldnt make it past super tuesday.

[corkhead]

46. next comes denial, bargaining, depression, then acceptance.

relax, it will be fine. Obama has run a masterful campaign against a "presumptive" opponent. McCain is insane, too old, a war monger, and wants to continue chimpy's running the economy off a cliff.

People are sick of this shit and the old tools in the KKKarl Rove playbook are not going to work this time.

On the other hand, if you are just whining because you recognize Clinton's imminent defeat and aren't going to support Obama in the fall, then bite me.

corkhead.

[OhioBlue]

47. Good Lord

calm down. Obama has a handful of guilt by association non-scandals. Do you have any idea how many guilt by association things can be dug up on Clinton and McCain with all of their years in D.C.?

Besides, don't you know the Republican play book by now? If they don't have anything to throw at the candidate they just make stuff up.

The only problem we have right now is Hillary's negative campaign. That is what is really hurting our chances.

[Yes We Did]

49. To the back of the bus boy! Give me a fucking break. Disgusting.

[gaspee]

56. Oh yeah

That's exactly where I'm coming from, you freaking idiot. It all comes down to race with you, doesn't it?

Did I once mention race? NO, but you reduce it to that.

The problem is perception, not reality. But go on and keep thinking the way you are and have fun at McCain's inauguration.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Have you tried counting to ten backwards?

[jgraz]

66. Good idea. I'll spot you the first three numbers, just to get you started

10...9...8...

[grantcart]

52. so because of your personal feelings you are arguing what?

that we tear up the rules and take away the nomination from Barack Obama?

I don't want to waste time on you uninformed opinion but just on the issue of Michelle Obama you are aware of the following undisputed facts (meaning they admit them already) that

She
a) Broke up the McCain household with an adulterous affair
b) Destroyed papers (accidentally) having to do with the Keating 5
c) Is a drug addict
d) Stole drugs from a charity - even though her family has a fortune in the hundreds of millions
e) that the person who reported the theft lost his job shortly after he reported that she was stealing.

Are you really kidding me - Is this your first election or what?

[femrap]

93. Did you hear some fat man warming up

to sing? This race has a ways to go yet.

[grantcart]

149. The race is over. Because of the way the delegates are distributed there is

no mathematical way that she can catch up

Even the Clinton campaign has acknowleged this. Here is Sen Schumer.

http://www.observer.com/2008/schumer-avoiding-self-destructive-end-clinton-vs-obama

Schumer also suggested that the current system of awarding pledged delegates is flawed. "The delegate counts are so close, and you can win a state by quite a lot and you still don't win the delegates by quite a lot,” he said. "Maybe that's a flawed system. But that will be for the next election, not this one.

"I think if you win a district 55 to 45," he said. "The delegates shouldn't be three to three. Yes, I think proportional representation makes some sense but they sort of overdid it


There are threads all over DU that show how difficult it would be for Clinton to win. The are all based on the premise of how delegates are distributed within the states. Sometimes there are a few delegates divided if you take a state (sometimes not like Texas) but 80% of the delegates are distributed in districts.

If a district has 2 delegates it will be always be divided 1-1

If a district has 3 delegates it will be divided 2-1 whether the candidate wins by 51% or 65%

If a district has 4 delegates it will be normally be split 2-2 unless somebody gets71% and then it splits 3-1

The system has a natural bias for Obama because of 2 reasons: 1) Districts are awarded bonus delegates based on how they voted

2004, and AA districts were the most loyal. In Texas there were districts that had heavily concentrated AA numbers that had 5,6,7

and even one 8 districts. Hispanic districts tendended to have 2 or 3 delegates. 2) Obama's strength is more concentrated in the

electorate whether around college towns or urban areas. So even if they were to get roughly the same number of votes Obama's will

tend to be more concentrated and get the better split differential. This is why Obama's lead in delegates is an even greater

percent than his lead in popular vote.

For example since the reporting has all closed down the official counting has continued and after all the votes were counted there

have been a couple of districts in IL and CA each where his final numbers went over a critiacal amount and he picked up and

additional 4 delegates. Given Hillary's big victory in Ohio only netted her 8 delegates you can see how she in fact is falling

farther behind.

Obama won more delegates in Jan and Feb. Clinton said she would have more delegates than Obama in March. Obama won March.

Bill Clinton said that she had to win Texas to win the nomination - she lost delegates in Texas.

Since Super Tuesday Hillary's huge lead in Super Delegates has evaporated.




Obama is going to go into the convention with

more delegates
more popular votes
more primary victorys
more donors
more money raised
more govenor endorsements
more senate endorsements

The number of delegates chosen already is 82%. Even if Hillary started winning by 65% it would not be enough because of the way delegates are distributed.

The race is effectively over. It is like a football game when one team is way ahead and the clock is just ticking away.

Hillary Clinton continues to raise $ 1 million a day and spend a small fraction of that building a huge warchest for future contests.

The rather obese man is in the dressing room just waiting for the call.

[Cheap_Trick]

57. "it's all Obama's fault with his out of control thirst for adulation and power."

Now THAT's freaking funny coming from a hillary supporter. She has made it clear that if she doesn't get the nomination then she doesn't care what happens to the party (it's her party and she'll cry if it'll get her votes). After endorsing McCain, she doesn't deserve support from REAL democrats.

"If you think Obama can stand up to the treatment he's going to get in the press as compared to "war hero" John McCain, you've got another think coming." Again, what irony. The press will come down on HRC like a ton of bricks. You imagine they've been hard on her now. That's nothing compared to the onslaught awaiting her. The right has been training for 8 years for the chance to destroy her. She won't be able to cry her way out of that one.

[MojoMojoMojo]

140. Care to substantiate that ?

"She has made it clear that if she doesn't get the nomination then she doesn't care what happens to the party (it's her party and she'll cry if it'll get her votes)."

[Cheap_Trick]

152. if you can't see that in what she's doing

that's your problem not mine.

[MojoMojoMojo]

162. So you just make things up.Great

[Cheap_Trick]

203. Well, the dumbass endorsed McCain

“I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he’d bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.”

Exact quote of hers. Didn't make that up. Great.

She put her personal desires to be president over her Party. She fucked up. Deal with it.

Now piss off.

[Lucky 13]

59. First generation American? Say wha?

1) Isn't his mother American?
2) Since when is that a problem or liability?

Xenophobic much?
:banghead:

[gaspee]

78. Stupid much?

None of the reasons Obama is unelectable are reasons I agree with. BUt guess what, the aggregate of all of those issues, including that he's a first generation American is what makes him unelectable.

Hell, I'm a fucking socialist who wishes all humans were united under one planetary government and you think I'm a Xenaphobe. That's fucking funny!

If you can't follow the logic that they all combine together to give a picture in people's minds... well, I can't help the stupid and logically impaired.

[Guava Jelly]

61. And

If you think Obama CAN"T stand up to the treatment he's going to get in the press as compared to "war hero" John McCain, you've got another think coming.
:D

[mmonk]

63. Good thing Hillary is not the least concerned with obtaining power.

When turtles climb trees and monkeys fly on the backs of elephants.

[rodeodance]

127. Power goes with the position. simple as that

[mrreowwr_kittty]

65. Oh boy. He's not good or experienced enough to be President but he can be VP

You do know what the qualifications for that job are, right?

[femrap]

67. K and R...

Thx gaspee for speaking the unfettered Truth. Yep...16 years of a Dem as President....but BO follows in the footsteps of his father with his need for power.

He is unelectable. I don't see how he can garner more than one state. If that man has any brains at all, he better back up from the abyss and realize that VP is a damn good position. I honestly believe he can't stand the thought of a female boss. That would be too much for his fragile male ego.

gaspee...I am beyond the anger and am now simply resigned to President McCain. The fascists are 99% completed with their plan.

The absolute icing on this poisonous cake would be Huckabee as VP, McCain has major health problems and we end up with a theocracy. How's that for the most disgusting thought imaginable?!

[milkyway]

68. And Hillary's husband liked getting blow jobs in the White House, and now he wants back in.

Think the repugs might mention that?

It doesn't matter! We could nominate Mother Theresa and the repug slime machine would be in full outrage mode. And I think Obama is better suited than most to deflect the crap they throw at him back toward the repugs. Everything they try will be an affirmation of what he has been campaigning against.

Turn off the television and get a grip.

[displacedtexan]

74. Exactly what I've been feeling for weeks.

Right now on MSNBC, They're reporting that "Obama is backing away from Rev. Wright."

20 years of mentorship, and Obama backs away? What happened to hope and change?

Sounds like age-old politics to me.

[Name removed]

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[JackORoses]

75. Racists can't be Democrats.

Thanks for playing, though.

[Lerkfish]

79. ok, I get it, its opposite day

me am bizarro superman me am angry

[totodeinhere]

80. You have absolutely know way of knowing that Obama will lose to McCain.

There are scenarios that have Obama beating McCain, Clinton beating McCain, or McCain beating either one of them. It is impossible to predict at this point what might happen. It's still seven months until the election and that's an eternity in politics. Any number of things could happen between now and then that could shape this race. Who would have thought just a few days ago that Spitzer would no longer be governor?

Are you sure you're just not a Clinton supporter trying to make a case for why she should still be nominated? If that's the case, fine. But please don't couch your support in a dire prediction that Obama must lose to McCain because at this point you just can't say that.

[berni_mccoy]

83. I think this has to be one of the Dumbest Posts Ever.

[Rex_Goodheart]

87. I blame stupid, stupid Democrats.

We have far too many of them.

Edwards would have won easily.

Now we're going to be stuck with lunatic right wing SC justices, no universal health care, an everexpanding military complex, and war.

Nice going, stupid Democrats.

[dionysus]

90. don't worry,

banky will make it all better

[DemBones DemBones]

91. I agree with everything you said, except I think that Obama

will be lucky to win ONE state in November. You know they haven't used all their ammo yet.

I voted for Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton (twice), Gore, and Kerry.

Notice the two people in that list who became president? One was Carter, the other was CLINTON, who won two terms.

Why the hell would we run a smug, smirky freshman senator against a second-term senator named CLINTON
who's been involved in politics since the freshman senator was in kindergarten?

Why the hell is Obama even running now? Is he a stalking horse for the GOP?

If he cares anything about the party, he'll drop out now and endorse Clinton.

Then we could beat McCain and Obama could have a political future, too. He'll only be 54 in 2012. Americans forgive and they also forget after a time. He needs to make some changes in his attitudes, though.

Naturally, I don't think he will drop out, I think he's determined to take the party down with him.

But a real man and a real Democrat would realize he can't win the GE and would try to help the party win.

[Jersey Devil]

96. Jeezus, are you related to gaspee?

Did you arrive on the same intergalactic transport?

[DemBones DemBones]

112. No, we're just intelligent Democrats who know somthing about politics.

Dreams are nice but they're only dreams, except your Obama dream, which is becoming a nightmare for the
party and thus for the country.

Obama will be to blame if McCain wins. Even if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, Obama has divided the party
very badly and I don't think he's a big enough person to take responsibility and work to heal it.

He's smug and smirky, like Bush, and we know he doesn't take responsibility.

[femrap]

98. Excellent analysis.

I've wondered about that stalking horse as well????

I hope he's not repeating the same mistakes that his overly ambitious father made...and his career ended in ruins as well.

[DemBones DemBones]

108. Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one

it's occurred to.

[coalition_unwilling]

111. Oh, for goodness sake, Obama is going to grind McLame into the dirt. All Obama

has to do is run a smartly crafted ad with McLame's comments about "100 Years in Iraq". That's all it will take for Obama to win in a landslide of FDR '32 or LBJ '64 proportions.

[BornBlue]

118. Wow, I love double standards

First, you think Obama is smug and smirky? I find him to be quite charismatic, and I am pretty sure that a lot of people would agree with me, but there are people out there that say otherwise. My neighbor actually met/worked with the man long before he was in the national light and said he was the nicest man she had ever met. Always bending over backward to help everyone. I would honestly say that Hillary is the smug smirky one: "shame on you Barack Obama" and "He is not a muslim, as far as I know". She continues to campaign on doubt and negativity. Her longevity in politics does not make her better. Do you remember that she originally started as a republican? I agree people change, just like party philosophy changes(Lincoln was a northern Repub fighting the southern dems) but what else will she change on, we have seen her; I was for NAFTA, no I was secretly against it, well it was good for some parts of the country wavering already. Longevity just means you have more friends/donors that you have to placate.

Why can't he run now? Last time I checked you only had to be 35 to run for president, and a citizen. He can chose to run or not run when ever he wants. He felt he had enough support to do it, so why not run? You don't have to vote for him that is the beauty of the system. That is not to say that we don't need your support in the fall, I understand emotions are high, but we need to remember what is more important during this election.


"If he cares anything about the party, he'll drop out now and endorse Clinton."
Oh wow, I cannot believe this was even said. If Hillary cared anything about the party she would have never brought the kitchen sink out. If she cared anything about the party she wouldn't keep changing the goal-posts. If she cared anything about the party she could have passed her Health Care plan when she was the first lady, but she wanted to go at it alone so she would forever be remembered for bringing universal health care to the country all by herself. She is not a team player.

"But a real man and a real Democrat would realize he can't win the GE and would try to help the party win."
Same goes for her, a real woman who was really a democrat would do the same, when they are down, the party is split, and their back is against the wall. To call for the LEADER to drop out is ludicrous.

[damonm]

94. Again, someone who says "Obama can't win"...

Explain this:

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-obama-280-mccain-258/

[DemBones DemBones]

115. You're using an 8 day-old survey, a pre-Jeremiah Wright

saying "Goddamn America" in a sermon, doing pelvic thrusts during a sermon, etc. survey.

Obama is toast.

[damonm]

138. Then try explaining THIS:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

All data show you to be wrong. But I doubt that'll stop you.

[MojoMojoMojo]

143. OUTDATED

[thereismore]

97. You need Prozac in combination with Xanax. nt

[DemGa]

99. Exactly - he had to run that whole "hope and change" fraud

based on Hillary's "negatives." What a sham. What an unmitigated disaster in the works.

[elixir]

102. Good post, Gaspee. Thank you. Please explain how JE could have won by a 10 point spread when he

couldn't win a primary?

[Vinca]

106. Reverse the names and you'll be exactly right. nt

[JBoy]

117. LOL! "Obama's unbridled lust for power and adulation"

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode when Elaine had to review that book, but she didn't even read it, and ended up parroting the bullshit that Kramer fed her:

"It's a story about love, deception, greed, lust and.... unbridled enthusiasm. That's what led to Billy Mumphrey's downfall. You see, Billy Mumphrey was a simple country boy. Some might say a cockeyed optimist, who got caught up in the dirty game of world diplomacy and International intrigue."

[LisaL]

119. I also don't understand as to why Obama had to run now,

before finishing his first term in senate.
I took it very hard when Kerry was not elected. This time, I am preparing for president McCain in advance, sorry to say.

[rodeodance]

123. gawd. i am almost resigned to that also.

[LisaL]

126. I wasn't as upset when Gore lost. Well, I was upset, but not as much

as when Kerry lost, because for Bush's first term, I didn't know yet what kind of president Bush would turn out to be.
But when Kerry lost, this was hard (even though I liked Gore way more than I liked Kerry).
Now, after two terms of Bush, it would be really awful if we get president McCain.
But I get to get mentally ready that it's a real possibility.

[Texas Hill Country]

132. Dems - Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in '08

all i have left now is hope...

and you know what they say: hope in one hand...

[rodeodance]

134. they were both blows to me. and now..............dammmmmmmm

[rodeodance]

121. obama needs to dropout!! now --it is past time.

[FedoraLV]

129. Oh no!

George Washington was a first generation American!

(So were all the Founding Fathers.)

Um, anyone who is a citizen over the age of 35 is enough of an American to run this country.

-FedoraLV

[amandabeech]

141. No. Only citizens by birth can become President.

Neither of the Gropenator or Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan can become President. He was born in Austria and she was born in Canada.

It's in the Constitution.

[FedoraLV]

185. Ah

As a undelighted constituent of the Governator, I know that and am very glad of it.

I was replying to the implication that Sen. Obama was less of an American ... I have known many first generation Americans who could mop the floor with me on civics exactly because their parent had longed to live here, and never let their children forget it.

(No living member of my family can recall living anywhere else: what I remember from civics was trying to stay awake!)

-FedoraLV

[Steely_Dan]

130. Sad, But Very True

You haven't seen nothing yet...

The Regugs will appeal to the the low brow racists in our country and Obama will go down in flames. I wish it weren't true...but it is.

What I worry about is what will happen to all of the good "potential" Dems who believed in Obama and then have their hopes dashed. Will they ever "believe" again?

I do not hate Obama....I never did. He would have made a great Vice President in preparation for the Oval Office. And when I say preparation...I'm not referring to Obama. No, I'm referring to the American people. Maybe after four years as the VP, Obama might have been considered acceptable as President by the moderate racists out there.

-P

[Barack_America]

133. Or we could have a frank discussion about what "patriotism" really is...

And, BTW, "first generation American"? WTF does that have to do with anything?

[amandabeech]

142. Well, I know someone who is an independent, and she won't vote for him

because he "isn't American enough." Take it for what it's worth.

[Kool Kitty]

184. Try educating this person or

find different friends, maybe? How "American" do you have to be to be "American" enough?

[MojoMojoMojo]

145. Discuss how you can spin "God Damn America" to look patriotic

[liam_laddie]

201. Here's how I take Wright's remark...

I could be wrong...he's not saying for god to damn (verb) America but using "god damn" as an adjective. Which is about what 80% of the rest of the world thinks, too. And I'd say many thinking, reality-based Americans may agree. Even if his intent was as a verb, god might just agree with that, too. Bush & Hagee not withstanding. YMMV.

[MojoMojoMojo]

144. Obama needs to drop out for the good of the party

"Instead, his uncontrollable ego told him to break his promise to complete his Senate term and run for President"

At this point ,I doubt Obama will be able to win reelection for his Senate seat.

[TBF]

148. Please get a grip..

Clinton is not electable. I voted for Bill twice, and even I remember all the scandals. It's hard to spin "impeachment" positively, not to mention all of the other scandals. Obama has been nice enough not to bring up any of it. The most he has done is asked her to release her taxes, which she STILL hasn't done (wonder what's hiding in there...). McCain will have a field day if she's the nominee.

As for Clinton's great "experience" the only substantive thing I recall her attempting during the 90's was healthcare reform, and that was a disaster.

It is true that Obama does not have multiple terms in the senate or as a governor, but neither did JFK, and he was even younger than Obama when he became president.

Hillary is arrogant and entitled. Why should better candidates have to wait while she "has her turn". Longevity is fine in a career, but I think she has forgotten that you don't get "promoted" to president.

[gaspee]

194. Lotsa reading comprehension problems

With posters on this post. Was this post about Clinton?

No, it was not. Please be less ignorant.

[Swamp Rat]

150. Yeah!!! He should have stayed in his place!

[depakid]

154. "If you think Obama can stand up to the treatment he's going to get"

Well, we shall see. It's going to be brutal, that's for sure -but it's also quite possible that the far right will overplay their hand.

[HopeforChange]

160. You are such a sorry person

[InvisibleTouch]

161. November is a LONG way off.

And given the attention span of the general populace, I think this tempest won't even be a blip on the radar by then. Relax and put your energies into promoting our nominee in a positive way, whichever one it is.

[MojoMojoMojo]

164. This will be on swiftboat commercials every day .You are in denial

[DFW]

163. If the Democratic nominee can't win ten States in November

No matter who it is, I'm applying for political asylum in Germany.

[Sparkly]

165. Reply

I guess you knew you'd be attacked for posting that; but I believe it's what you're really feeling, and attacks don't help.

It's true that there are some negatives (true issues, lies, and combinations to create smears) that will hurt Obama, and we haven't even seen the RNC get going yet.

BUT -- We can HOPE the main effect is to harden the opinions of those who wouldn't vote Democratic anyway, in this election. We can work our asses off to persuade fence-sitters. We can campaign against McCain.

It's frightening and maddening, I know -- but when the time comes and it gets right down to it, we have to do everything we can. That's all we can do.

[theredpen]

167. If Obama's baggage makes him unelectable...

...Clinton should have stayed out of the race entirely.

Clinton is still fighting bullshit smears that started over a decade ago. These issues all came out in that last few months.

The people who will be swayed by these issues would also be swayed by Clinton's "baggage" as well. I'm not sure there's a net loss. We already knew that Obama wasn't going to get 100% of the vote.

Obama's going to be running against a member of the Keating 5. Obama's going to be running against the guy whose pastor endorsement came from someone who hates Catholics (a Republican swing in the Catholic vote in 2004 gave Bush a second term). Obama's going to be running against a guy who wants to extend a war that 60% of the country wants ended now.

Clinton could be running against that guy, too, but she's just McCain Lite. I read elsewhere here that 25% of Clinton's supporters will vote for McCain over Obama if that's their choice in November. Why would they do that unless McCain was more similar to their preferred candidate than Obama? (10% of Obama voters said that they would prefer McCain over Clinton.)

[mtnsnake]

171. I nominate this for best and most realistic post of the month

You are so right. If Obama gets the nomination it'll be at least 4 more years of Repuke rule.

The first thing the right wing machine will do during the campaign is show a series of TV commercials highlighting John McCain ejecting out of his airplane in Nam and then showing him during his POW ordeal. They have an incredible amount of actual footage of all that stuff (MSNBC showed an hour long documentary on his ordeal).

Then, in the same commercials, the ad will switch from McCain, the war hero, to a clip of a young man in college snorting coke with his friends. Then a voice will come on and say, "Which of these men do YOU want running the country?

THE END.

[blogslut]

173. I know a place you can get pearls cheap

Good for clutching.

As for fainting couches, I can probably hook you up.

[VotesForWomen]

179. you are right. this sh*t was bound to happen. people never even heard of this guy a year ago. nt

[theboss]

180. Wait your turn, boy.....

I love this argument. Obama's moment is now.

If he waits eight years, he might become Mario Cuomo.

Remember Mario Cuomo? He was going to be President. Then he backed down in 1992 because Bush seemed invincible. Then Bill Clinton won. I think Mario Cuomo is running an Italian Restaurant now. (Note...it's a joke...I'm Italian....Mario's a paisan.).

[theboss]

181. Teamed up with Edwards as Edwards' VP? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

John, I beat you like a red-headed step-child.

I beat you liked you owed me money.

In this election, I was Sonny Corleone and you were Carlo Rizzi.

John, my only wish is that Howard Cosell was alive to scream "Down goes Edwards! Down goes Edwards!" after every primary.

John, the voters of America simply don't like you very much. But I've decided that you are the right man to lead this country and I will be your VP.

Should we eat these cyanide capsules now?

[cali]

186. Your OP is sick and disgusting

It made me angry. Cheney. Leahy. YOU.

[BringBigDogBack]

187. Disgusting post.

Seriously.

Through the looking glass, we've become.

[dkf]

188. You didn't want him to wait 4 years, you don't want him at all.

How stupid do you think we are?

Look at your arguments for why he shouldn't run and tell me what time would have changed?

Your arguments are a load of crock.

[Perry Logan]

189. Logan's Law: Liberals will predict failure for themselves no matter how good their chances.

[mattclearing]

190. You are so wrong. n/t

[durrrty libby]

192. BO is a Stunning Fraud. A shame really

[calmblueocean]

193. I could've written this exact post.

Obama could've neutralized this whole church controversry if he'd spent 4 or 8 years as VP, attending a different church. He could've distanced himself in a meaningful way from Wright's most controversial remarks by voluntarily breaking from the church on his own.

When Obama says that he didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's controversial remarks... you know what? I don't believe him. I don't think he knew everything his pastor said, of course, but there's little doubt in my mind that he knew exactly how radical a figure he was and that he had said these kind of remarks in the past. Obama should've showed the freaking good sense to vet his own church before he started asking people to vote for him.

That's part of what makes me so frustrated -- had Obama gone about this differently, instead of a bitterly divided party we could actually have had REAL unity, and a Obama wouldn't have squandered his political capital on a race he wasn't yet ready to win. I feel cheated because I trusted that Obama knew exactly how high the bar is set for presidential candidates, and wouldn't put himself out there as a candidate if he had such an obvious scandal waiting to break.

How do we do this every 4 years? Maybe instead of the donkey as our symbol, we should have a gun shooting a foot.

[Laelth]

196. How about blaming the pent-up frustration of the AA community?

Obama is but a charismatic symbol of a lot of pent-up frustration. So many poor, disenfranchised, and neglected people have put their faith in him and put their hearts and souls into his campaign, that he probably feels he can't abandon them now, even if he wanted to for the good of the party.

Obama may be egotistical, but I think there's a lot more going on here than his ego. The black community is tired of being told to wait their turn. That's a fact, and the Democratic Party better pay attention.

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--sloppy editing.

[ecstatic]

198. blame Clinton for doing her best to tarnish him. nt

[liam_laddie]

199. You're assuming McCain is a strong candidate.

Not only does he look quite pale lately, he has so much smelly baggage (Keating Five S&L is only the tip...) that the media will have a hard time NOT stinking up their stories. McCain fits quite well into the massively hypocritical, serial-marriage, moneyed, republiKKKlan image. One of the best descriptions I've read to describe of a gaggle of repukes is "looks like a meeting of the local whites-only country club membership committee." The citizenry are a lot smarter than OP gaspee imagines.

That big media will slant/spin election coverage to Flyboy Johnny is a given. BUT, just ask an average voter to compare Michelle Obama and Cindy McVain (smirk..can't help it.) Who's a better role model? An alcohol heiress, ex-drug abuser, bottle blond, sanded-face, Stepford zombie or a self-made, bright, Ivy League, A-A WOMAN? No contest; Michelle's coattails are long and strong. BTW, I'm a 70-yr old white guy, and I think the OP is waaay full of whatever New England tribes smoke...I respect her right to free speech, just as she must respect my right to call BULLSHIT!

[LisaL]

204. No, McCain is not a strong candidate.

But I don't think "God damn America" is gonna play well in GE. Do you?

[120cars]

206. If the division continues, you bet we'll lose

We can't win this way.