John Kerry belongs to the same religion as William Donohue of the Catholic League

[eeyore]

Every religion has its nutjobs and extremists. Every single one.

Anyone who has ever seen William Donohue on the TV talk shows knows he does not represent the average Catholic churchgoer. He is an example of the extreme, yet the Catholic Church never disavows his statements.

He was incredibly outspoken against Kerry for being too liberal for the Catholic Church. Yet Kerry belongs to the same religion as him. Every church has its extremists, the crazy ranting uncles that you don't want to get trapped talking to.

No one ever asked Kerry to disavow his own religion because of this raving lunatic. No one asked him how he could possibly belong to the same religion as Donohue. No one asked Kerry if he was a Jew hating anti-choice psycho just because he belongs to the same church as someone who is.

The foregone conclusion was that Kerry was a different kind of Catholic than Donohue. The same should be concluded with Obama, case closed.


Here are a few of Donohue's choice quotes on Kerry, his fellow church member:

"There's nobody in the United States Senate who has a more radical voting record on abortion than John Kerry. He's never found an abortion that he couldn't justify. ... Well, first of all, the guy is an idiot. He doesn't even know there never was a Pius XXIII in the first place."

"Well, no. I'm saying if a Catholic votes for Kerry because they support him on abortion rights that is to cooperate in evil."


Donohue on Hollywood:

"We've already won. Who really cares what Hollywood thinks? All these hacks come out there. Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It's not a secret, okay? And I'm not afraid to say it. ... Hollywood likes anal sex. They like to see the public square without nativity scenes. I like families. I like children. They like abortions. I believe in traditional values and restraint. They believe in libertinism. We have nothing in common. But you know what? The culture war has been ongoing for a long time. Their side has lost."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200412210001
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=23325

[BOSSHOG]

1. Just

take tax exempt status away from all churches and let them first amendment me to death.

[eeyore]

3. Agreed...

Churches are now and always have been political organizations. I remember growing up Catholic in 70s being told which politicians were pro-abortion (their words).

Most religions are almost equally political and spiritual.

[Submariner]

2. Catholic Church never disavows his statements

You have to understand the catholic clergy, then it all makes sense.

Catholic priests are former mommy's boys or the introverted class sissies who did not run with the rest of the kids. The catholic church is a sexist men's club of these weirdos' who have never worked a day in their lives, and live off the suckers that fill the collection plate with hard earned money.

The priesthood, a haven for pedophiles, then uses that money to spend on gifts to lure children for their deviant sex acts, and more collection plate money is then spent on motel rooms where the child rapes occur.

Don't sweat the catholic religion. They are an irrelevant group going out of business one parish at a time.

Don;t give any money to the catholic clergy, or any one of them for that matter.

[Mass]

5. I would say that about any religion, but I would never insult one religion over another

[Submariner]

10. After 12 years of nuns, I can only righteously slam catholicism

I no longer believe in imaginary sky-people, so the other religions are open game to me based on the belief in myths and fairy tales. Did the non-catholic religions indulge in the degree of child rape the catholic clergy has? I don't think so, I believe most other clergy can marry and do not have that nonsensical celibacy oath to follow which just gives cover to perves.

[eeyore]

6. I grew up Catholic, I know it well

Drunk priests, angry nuns, and a whole lot of people who ignored those aspects of the church organization. Every society has its crazies, and every church is a mini-society.

[jmg257]

4. I am confused...who has asked Obama to disavow his religion?

Was someone complaining about him being a Christian?

[eeyore]

7. His church in general has been a point of issue for a long time

I've seen many discussions both here and on TV talking about the extremism of his church. Fact is, it's one of the most liberal branches of Christianity there is. Liberals are afraid it's too extreme, and conservatives are scared to death of it.

It's hypocritical and idiotic, but there it is. He belongs to a church that people don't know very much about, so they are afraid of it almost purely on that basis alone.

My point is that every church has its crazies, and you can't judge every member of the congregation based on the extreme and outspoken members.

[jmg257]

8. We are not talking about "members" We are talking about the pastor, the advisor. I think THAT is

issue, NOT Obama's religion. Obama's judgement for his close relationship with this pastor is in question, not his faith.

[eeyore]

9. My priest was a drunk who pushed a girl down a flight of stairs

Literally. My priest got angry at the youth group director for hitting the tambourine on her ass. He confronted her after church and pushed her down a flight of marble stairs. He was quietly sent away to rehab.

No one even questioned whether or not they would quit the church. They all knew that he was just a fucked up guy, and a new priest arrived in short order.

My parents eventually quit once all of the priest sexual abuse stories started piling up. I always thought the whole thing was a hypocritical mess.