Well, Randi is All Over Obama's Pastor, Too

[tishaLA]

She started the show today by saying "Obama has a minister problem" and she went to break right after playing a portion of one of Wright's sermons.

I REALLY want Obama to come out and give a JFK-ish speech about faith. I think that's the best way to handle this bullshit. Take it by the horns and shut up the haters.

[JDPriestly]

1. Obama's problem has nothing to do with faith.

It has to do with bigotry. Anyone can be bigoted. Just because you happen to belong to a minority does not mean you are not bigoted. I do not think that Obama has a bigoted bone in him. He needs to explain how he feels about white people, about race, and not just in smooth generalities about how everyone is equal. How can he listen to Dr. Wright on Sunday if he doesn't agree with this rather Afrocentric view. If any white person expressed such a Eurocentric view today, that person would be considered racist and rightfully so.

[tishaLA]

4. I hate to tell you this, but

Judaism is Eurocentric. Catholicism is Eurocentric. Protestantism is Eurocentric. While the latter two have colonized non-European areas does nothing to destroy that fact that they are rooted in a European perspective and ethos.

[jackson_dem]

14. Christianity and Judaism were founded in Europe?

I wasn't aware Israel's EU application progressed so much overnight.

There is plenty of Eurocentrism, though, in society but that doesn't excuse Obama endorsing a bigot. Do you see any other politician going to a church with an overt racist as pastor? Exactly...no one is that stupid or arrogant except the savior himself...

The other inconvenient fact Obamites ignore, that I am sure Mr. Wright would be quick to point out, is the European descendants account for three out of four voters. In other words, you can't win without them.

[tishaLA]

"founded" and "centrism" are different things

and any fool knows that.

[AX10]

18. ROFL!

"I wasn't aware Israel's EU application progressed so much overnight."

Yes, Obamites better realize that they are not enough to win any election.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

40. I am a Democrat, not an Obamite, just as you are a Democrat

and not a Clintonite. I chooses to be an Obama supporter. I am also a Southern Baptist Deacon, an active Christian, who thinks that God has Damned America for much of it's history on race, on our war on Iraq, our rape of our environment, and many many more things that we do because we are "Americans".

I am old enough to remember lots about the Jim Crow days. Separate was not equal. I have Black friends who are followed around stores because they are black and of course shoplifters. I have had a black teacher friend,a dentist's wife, who said she was terrified to driving across Mississippi in the late 90's because she was driving a Mercedes. She felt sure and that she would be stopped. Why was she afraid, because it had happened before. I saw over 50% of my church walk out on a Sunday morning service because our one wealthy member was pushed in by a nurse who who was in a starch white uniform complete with cap and was black.

You know what, I think God is still Damning bigots wherever they may be.

nuff said

[Mags]

43. You are a Southern Baptist Deacon? For Real?

It must be from a very different Southern Baptist then any I have ever heard of. I think they would de-deacon you if You believe like Rev. Wright. I'm serious..Please don't blast me. Just help me understand what Southern Baptist believes like him.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

55. I am a Southern Baptist deacon, a Sunday School teacher,

and the leader of the Children's missions group at church. I am a proud liberal, we just choose not to talk politics at my church. They do know I am a liberal and vote Democratic. My pastor was disappointed when I cut my pony tail.

I do think that God would damn the overindulgence of everything, the rape of the environment, the homophobic rhetoric of many politicians and Christians, and the racial divide that most of our country still cherishes (with blacks and whites) . There are things in the Baptist Faith and Message I am very open to discussing at church, such as a woman's subordination to her husband. I have been told

[Mags]

69. thanks for your explanation, I applaud you. Southern Baptist in my area aren't any thing like

yours.

[ThatPoetGuy]

15. Eh?

"Judaism is Eurocentric"?

Where do you think Israel is located? Hint: it isn't in Europe.

[tishaLA]

23. as I say above, the foundations and its centrism are different

entities. You know that Ashkenazi Jews are the dominant group of Jews, right? And that even Sephardic Jews, the second largest group of Jews, is also European?

[JDPriestly]

60. Excuse me. Christianity is not Eurocentric.

Christianity takes on the characteristics of the culture in which it is located. Even within Europe Italian Christianity is very different from Austrian Christianity although those countries are neighboring. Mexican Christianity is distinctly Mexican. The Marias in Mexican portrayals are, quite naturally Mexican women just as the Marias in Italian paintings were clearly based on Italian models.

Jesus preached a message of love and hope and justice for all people, regardless of race or ethnicity. That was the whole point. Martin Luther King understood that. I believe that Obama does too. I don't think his pastor, Rev. Wright does or did.

[tishaLA]

68. Mexican christianity hybridizes Spanish Christianity

with the indigenous culture. It was a tool of European colonialism that Mexicans adapted after they were conquered.

[JDPriestly]

90. Precisely. If Christianity were Eurocentric, it would not be

adaptable and adapted all over the world in various cultures. The central message of Christianity was born in the Middle East, not Europe. Europeans adapted it for Europe. The Egyptians had their own version that was not European at all. Christianity simply is not Eurocentric.

[AX10]

7. All true. Minorities can be and are racists too.

White people do not hold the monopoly on racism, contrary to the view that is perpetuated around here.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. Ah, another one who needs to read a little Tim Wise.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033,80611,.shtml

[KittyWampus]

73. I think Hillary doesn't have a bigotted bone in her, she needs to explain how she feels about black

people.

[From The Left]

99. Why Should Obama Be Destroyed for What His Pastor Said?

Makes as much sense as destroying Hillary for the racist remarks by her good friend, Geraldine Ferraro

[jackson_dem]

2. JFK didn't have a priest who ranted against Protestants for two decades

JFK would have been done if he had a bigot as his preacher. Obama is unelectable now in the general election.

This clown isn't just a pastor. He is Obama's mentor and spiritual guiding light. All Obama can do is mitigate the damage. He can't erase two decades of silent endorsement of a bigot. Maybe he should have practiced what he preaches about "unity" and "moving beyond race"? You're telling me he can't find a non-racist pastor in the third largest city in the nation? That won't fly with anyone...

[tishaLA]

9. I mean a speech that clarifies his position vis-a-vis "faith"

and the public sphere, but I'm sure you knew that. That is what JFK did; that's what Obama needs to do.

[jackson_dem]

16. I agree with that

That would be the best option for him to mitigate pastorgate as well as put to rest the radical Muslim smear.

[virtualobserver]

11. it must be convenient for you to cut and paste

the same talking points over and over

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Is Randi an Obama hater now?

Isn't it possible to be concerned by this and not be a hater?

[Quixote1818]

Thats now what he said. I think many Obama supporters realize this is a problem

Randi is fair in her criticism of both Hillary and now this situation with Obama's minister. Obama does need to deal with this in a big way. If he can't then as far as I am concerned Gore should be our fall back candidate. If Obama can't survive this then we will be left with too tainted, weak candidates.

[AX10]

22. Right now, I want Gore!

[Benhurst]

36. I fear we've already reached that sad point; but I have little faith

in the super delegates to take the needed action to resolve it.

The egos of our two leading, but flawed, candidates and their followers will brook no compromise, despite the fact that both have been voted against by the majority of Democratic voters.

The good of the party, the nation, and the world be damned.

[ronnykmarshall]

33. Damn I might start listening again!!!

:silly:

[Yes We Did]

64. Of course she's not. We don't eat our own on this side.

We have no problem admitting when our candidate makes a mistake.

Of course, we rarely have to defend him... You know, like you guys have to do with Hillary and her war vote, kyl lieberman vote, bankruptcy vote...

[MonkeyFunk]

84. ROFL!!

"We have no problem admitting when our candidate makes a mistake"


The contortions on this board today denying that there's anything wrong with this are wrothy of Cirque de Soleil.

[SoFlaJet]

5. hey Tish

wrong is wrong it doesn't matter where it comes from. How many of us have or had racist parents or uncles or aunts? Does that mean that WE have to be labled racists? Two Sparkles called it "being raised by wolves"-a great analogy. The bottom line is this; Barack Obama didn't say those words...just as Hillary Clinton didn't say the words that Ferraro said-all we can do is have our candidates come out and disassociate themselves from those supporters. If Obama himself had said those words then it would be a big problem for him.

[Bullet1987]

6. He's going to need to do something more than what's being done

He can't simply ignore it and pretend it'll all go away. Of course, I'm not by a computer so I don't know if he's said anything or not.

[jackson_dem]

20. His campaign isn't even sure they are going to fire Wright. What does that tell you?

He won't even fire Wright from the campaign. How can we expect a strong denunciation of a man who called non-controversial just weeks ago if he won't even remove him from his campaign?

[haymakeragain]

45. What position does he hold in the campaign?

Fire him? I doubt it.

[haymakeragain]

49. Are you there?

What position does he hold in the campaign?

[Tarc]

8. Randi Rhodes tossed under the bus by Team Obama in 3...2...

[AX10]

10. Obamanation can have her.

I want nothing to with that vile thug.

[susankh4]

98. I'm with ya

unsubbed from Air America yesterday. Will be happy to end the donations as well. The Hillary bashing was just too much.

I wonder if the left wing talkers took into account that they would be disaffecting lots of their listeners when they coronated a Dem. candidate and started bashing the other???

Haha. It will serve 'em right if the Obama folk defect too!

[Forkboy]

13. Team Browbeat already did that.

Both sides shit all over anyone who doesn't tell them what they want to hear. Ask K.O., Ted Kennedy, Paul Krugman, etc.

[Bullet1987]

26. Obama's supporters aren't the same as Clinton's

We don't cast out people that criticize us. And no one said she didn't still support Obama.

[Yes We Did]

35. That's right. We are actually able to admit when our candidate makes

an error in judgment. I have NEVER heard a Hillary supporter on here admit ONE misstep from Hillary. They even defend her war vote.

[Tarc]

94. You're right

You swill are far, far worse.

[azmouse]

27. Wrong.

You see, I respect Randi's opinions far more than the Obama haters here. They are the ones trying to make hay out of this for their 'girl' no matter the cost to the Dem party and its chances in Nov.
Randi is doing this in the same spirit that KO did his Special Comment. It's an effort to help the campaign by explaining what is going wrong. Randi isn't trying to discredit Obama any more than KO was trying to discredit Hillary.

[BeyondGeography]

30. Hardly; she's right and I hope Obama gets his head out of his ass on this one and

makes a definitive speech about religion. He can go far to minimize the Muslim crap at the same time.

[olkaz]

80. Just FYI

Randi's podcast is the only major one I don't listen to from AAR.

I like Thom Hartmann, Lionel, and Rachel Maddow (sometimes), but Randi just doesn't ever seem very intelligent. She comes up with kneejerk hamfisted arguments that rarely explain any situation, and then yells at the callers that call her on it.

But it was really her audio clips and non-political talk that turned me off first. Her saying about six or seven months ago that she has a body like Britney Spears does now, that made me throw up a little and I had to clean my ipod.

[AX10]

12. I am suprised she sees a problem with this.

After listening to her for a few years, I would have though she would have endorsed Wright's brand of hatred.

[Forkboy]

17. Why listen all those years then?

masochistic or just really, really bored?

[AX10]

21. She used to be a little more reasonable.

I never listen to her for more than a few minutes at a time. She has one of the most grating voices on radio. Also, she has Chris Matthews-itis, that is, she never lets her guests finish speaking. She monopolizes the microphone. It is rude to treat guests this way.

[azmouse]

32. I agree with you on one thing.

It is very annoying that she doesn't let her guests speak. It seems to be a big problem with a lot of the talk shows. I respect Thom Hartmann and he does it too.

[Forkboy]

38. I thinks she's pretty horrible myself.

My mother listens and I just spent a week there, listening everyday. She's rude to callers, even ones that are agreeing with her, and she seems totally stuck on herself.

Of course, I really dislike talk radio anyways, regardless of which side it's on. But she's the toughest to listen to out of the whole Air America lineup.

[hedgehog]

19. For those who want to know what the fuss is about, here is part of

Wright's sermon from the week after 9/11:

He said;

“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” he told his congregation.

He probably picked up those attitudes by reading this guy:

For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind

Hosea 8

For comparison:

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Thomas Jefferson


If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope--fervently do we pray--that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether"

Abraham Lincoln

[Tarc]

24. Awesome. The O-Bots try to justify a bigot's speech by name-dropping Abe Lincoln

:eyes:

[hedgehog]

25. Read Abrahma Lincoln's words and tell me that he wasn't suggesting that the war was a punishment

for slavery.

[leftofcool]

53. Somebody hasn't read the Lincoln/Douglas debates

[kentuck]

28. Excellent quotation by Lincoln

Thanks!

[tridim]

29. The responses in this thread are the reason that ALL RELIGION SUCKS

and it should never be a criteria in a secular Democratic nomination process.

Thanks a lot Gawd.

[madrchsod]

34. as a christian i have to agree with you

mixing politics and religion serves neither.

[Adelante]

37. I'm thinking he should give a major speech on *race*

Describe his own thinking. Make it clear that he himself is not old school on the topic. Show that what he is trying to do is lead the country onto a path of, for want of a better term, "post-racialism." Talk about how he knows the difficulties, but this is part of his goal in trying to bring the country together, that he knows there are people, like Rev. Wright, like your brother in law, like your next door neighbor, or your dry cleaner, who are not there yet, and he understands. He can do this. But I suspect a speech about faith won't break through in the same way as confronting the race issue straight on would do. I feel it in my heart that America is ready to move forward on this. Obama has to take the lead, speak from his heart and head, be who he is, use his best talents, and persuade people to his way.

[grasswire]

44. serious question

Are Barrack and his wife on the same page on race? The stuff regarding her dissertation makes me wonder.

[Benhurst]

46. I think it may be too late for such a speech. His campaign has been one

of inflated rhetoric and vague feel-good concepts such as "Hope," "Change,"
and "New Politics," to say nothing of "reaching out" to the Republicans, as if Pelosi and Reid hadn't tried that and failed. Now he's going to start talking about unpleasant issues? And only one which may be impacting his campaign in a negative manner?

JFK speech, as I remember it, came near the beginning of his campaign, not midway, following a public relations disaster. It made him appear forthright and willing to confront an issue head on from the offset, not trying up shore up a wounded campaign mid-course.

[tishaLA]

47. WesDem, I wish that were possible

But I really *don't* believe--and DU the past four days seems to bear this out--that America is ready, willing, or has an adequate vocabulary to have a discussion about race. I think "the faithful" are narcissistic enough to want to hear someone else talk about a politician's relationship to religion. As you say, he can make this a positive if he speaks from his head and heart; he is certainly talented enough to make it successful.

[Adelante]

70. I don't think religion is his problem anymore

Only 13% think he is a Muslim now; everybody else knows he's a Christian and his campaign worked hard turning that around. Everybody knows most black churches are different in style than most white churches. The Wright sermon in question is not that much about religion, not the controversial parts. Obama can explain that as he has mentioned of its stemming from a different era. If Obama had his way, his campaign wouldn't have been about race, it's not what he was looking to accomplish, but as time and politics moved on, and now with this controversy, it's in danger of becoming only about race, instead of about unifying the nation. I understand what you're saying, Tisha, about ready or not ready, but I think this is where we are. As for people on DU, it's mostly about working a candidate. Very distressing to me, too, but I think we'd have seen a far different reaction had this not been primary season. It's not that important what DUers think or pretend to think. What's important is that Obama take the reins on the issue, and I do think the issue is race not religion.

[ginnyinWI]

39. Kerry was on the radio today speaking for Obama

He pointed out that Rev. Wright is from a difficult time in America's civil rights history--coming out of the 1940s t0 1960s--and we have to see his rhetoric in those terms. Wright is bound to have scars.

He said that Obama is not from that time and comes from an entirely different place. It's wrong to equate the two. It does not have to be a choice between "Obama is completely against Wright" or "Obama is exactly like Wright". Kerry said that Obama doesn't want to deny the experience of people like Wright, but that we as a country need to move on from divisive rhetoric like this. It makes perfect sense to me.

edit: I'd also like to add that Geraldine Ferraro is from a similarly difficult time in our history with regard to feminism. Hence her strident words on the subject of sexism.

[Benhurst]

54. As I recall, the Obama campaign was extremely dismissive of the baby boomers for

their holding on to the issues of the past. For him now to flip-flop and take the opposite position, would look self-serving at best, and might remind many that he, himself, is a baby boomer according to the U.S. Census's generally accepted definition, something he has downplayed in deference to the youth-oriented nature of his campaign.

[Bake]

78. Surely you're not suggesting that Wright just needs to "getover himself!!"

Oh wait. That's what BHO told us boomers to do.

:rofl:

Bake

[ginnyinWI]

89. But he's not taking the opposite position

If you got that from what I wrote, you misunderstood me. He's identifying with the next generaation, not the generation of the Civil Rights era. He's saying by his statements today that we need a new conversation about race, not the old, divisive one. This does not have to include throwing this pastor under a bus, quitting his family church, abandoning his whole denomination just in order to appear consistent. Denouncing the ideas are enough.

Didn't Jesus say, "Hate the sin, love the sinner?" This is the idea I was trying to convey. Showing understanding and compassion for those who have walked a different path, while not necessarily agreeing with every word they have said.

[Usrename]

93. He was born in the sixties.

Is he really a boomer?

[Benhurst]

95. Yes, he is, according to the U.S, Census Bureau.

According to the Census Bureau, baby boomers are the generation born between 1946 and 1964.

Barack Obama was born August 4, 1961, so he's not even an especially young baby boomer. So much for "passing the torch" to the next generation this election no matter which of our candidates is nominated.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/006105.html

[nolabels]

41. Mostly it seems nothing much good comes from people who want to inflict.......

their view of religion on another's view of religion. It seems that another prime example has just arrived.

I don't think this is going to stick too long either, Obama doesn't appear to be a religious fanatic in any sense.



Watch out for those boomer-rangs :rofl:

[canuk1]

42. THIS IS JUST BREAKING

Obama's neighbour and friend apparently has said the B word and C word on at least 3 occassions according to witnesses. Although, Obama was not their to stop him and was doing other things at the time, Fox is saying because the man is his neighbour and has an Obama sign on his lawn, Obama is personally responsible for this man's words. The Obama campaign is now contacting all people he has ever known to tell them not to talk again without okaying it with them first. FOX is sending out 1,000's of reporters to talk to anyone at random that may have said something unamerican or offensive. They will be cross checked to a list to see if they know Obama or have ever been within 100 feet of him. Senator McCarthy will begin investigations of these lists next month.

Laugh if you will, but this is where we are heading.

[rucky]

56. I heard Kevin Bacon is somehow connected to this, as well. n/t

[global1]

48. Somebody Needs To Tell Randi To Cool Her Jets Before She Says .......

something that will give the Repugs more ammunition against Barack. We need to hear what Barack has to say about all this - because he has a way with explaining things and calming controversy. If she wants to dump then - ok - but at least let him have a full say on this matter.

[ellacott]

51. Very true

And she is wrong when she says that MLK made all his politically charged speeches outside the church. This is incorrect.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

50. Too bad she's dead.

See what happens when you cut off your nose to spite your face?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. I Don't Know How Or By Saying What, But He Needs To Come Out Strong ASAP.

What we are looking at right now, is one of our worst nightmares as it relates to substance that could be used against us in the GE.

[mmonk]

58. And what video is in your sig line?

Sorry, I won't click it but I'm curious.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. If You Were Curious You'd Click It.

[mmonk]

65. Darn it.

Just can't do it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. Jesus. Are You For Real?

I thought you were just kidding. WTF?? It's just a friggin link. :crazy:

[mmonk]

71. Maybe in a little while.

I'm just tired of infighting and I'm also "bushed". I dread the County party convention coming up I'm a delegate to. The more this becomes a donneybrook, the less motivated I'll be. Let's see, point and click.....

[RiverStone]

62. No - Hillary already gave the pukes...

The best talking point against Obama with her McLame is more qualified BS.

I don't think this will stick any more than the Muslim emails, past drug use sensationalism, or not holding hand over heart during national anthem rumors. Bullshit all.

13.6 million voters have not been deterred anyway. :)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

63. With All Due Respect, This Blows All Of Them Out Of The Water By A Mile.

[RiverStone]

76. Actually, you or have have no clue

There is no evidence that it has hurt him in any big way.

He is up today in Gallup.
He is up today in Rasmussen.

Both daily tracking polls....

If we start to see an obvious and attributable decline in Obama's polling due to this wacko preacher, then you may have a point. But why all this doom and gloom when really - we have no clue if this story will have any real legs at all? :shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

79. Because Right Now It Hasn't Even Begun To Be Used.

Right now it's just a story; not propaganda.

Once used as propaganda, the whole nature will change.

[RiverStone]

85. Obama has faced a mountain of propoganda...

And he is not only still standing, but winning!

Time will tell - but I'm not worried.

Actually, it is a great thing this story came out now - because if it came out in October, he would have had to spend time on damage control just has he heads into the home stretch.

This will be fully vetted and ancient history by the fall.

[Arkansas Granny]

82. OMC, I've seen you and others trying to tell them all day that this is important.

Most of them seem to think that the RW won't use this or that we are being hysterical. The just stick their fingers in their ears, la la la la la. I don't know what it will take to make them see how this could hurt Obama and the Democratic party. I hope that Obama's response will defuse this situation, but I'm afraid that we haven't heard the end of it yet.

[high density]

57. How can anybody stand to listen to Randi?

All I ever hear about her is bellyaching on DU. I've tried to listen to her a couple of times but she's just so caustic. It's not entertaining or informative (too much bogus info), so I don't know why anybody listens.

[FedoraLV]

86. Randi's bogus info

That's odd, she always posts the background of the day's show on her homepage.

-FedoraLV

[zulchzulu]

59. Randi doesn't get it about this issue

Obama does not have a "pastor problem". He has already come out and said he is not responsible for what Wright says.

I ask those that want to make this an issue to REALLY ask them self HONESTLY that what any pastor on the pulpit is not exactly what those at his church think.

I've been to services where the pastor or priest was going off on abortion, praising George Bush, defending marriage through homophobic messages and even praising the war. Are those opinions what I think? NO!

As for Randi's semi-puritanical ruse that people should never say the word "goddamn" or talk about issues she herself has promoted on her show, it points out that Randi Rhodes is an entertainer.

Since when is Wright running for President and since when is Obama playing tapes of Wright?

As for the election, if McCain brings up Wright, a lethal blow will be dealt to him for his link to Hagee and others.

[Bluenorthwest]

77. If you tolerate that crap

Then you are endorsing it. Sit and listen to ravings and hate, and you are giving it the legitimacy of religion. Sorry about that.
You and the rest of the blinders crowd need to wake the hell up. Obama has a huge problem here, and you know what? The homophobia of the man and his backers prevented him from learning the weight of this sort of issue when his camapign slandered gay Americans by name, using another religious surrogate with a long, public history of inciteful language. Had Obama had the good judgement to confront that gay baiting done in his name with a strong rejection and a clear apology, he'd be ready for this mess. But instead he has said the homophobes are "good decent moral people" and he will continue to listen to them. And by listen we can assume he means employ to attack minorities he does not like much and wants to use as bigot bait.
This is not how our Party is supposed to be. Religious men, some charlatans and some honest, causing division among Democrats over our race or our gender or who we love. This is sick shit. And it has been going on since Autum, when the Faith and Family Tour bashed its way into our hearts and minds.

[uponit7771]

81. Hmmm, I'm a member of a church that has a pastor that says crazy crap all the time that I dont agree

...with and I've seen nothing that he says that has gone over the line

[zulchzulu]

91. You WISH this was an issue... it isn't for 93% of the voters out there

Scream like a crackhead in an alley all goddamn night...but the issue is bullshit.

You are so full of shit on the homophobia thing that it's not worth even discussing. Buh bye...

[elixir]

67. Huh, are you serious... ?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. I like the "JFK-ish speech" idea. He could hit this one out of the fuckin' park!

[Adelante]

74. Tisha, look at this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

[tishaLA]

75. Yeah, I just heard about it on Randi. Richard Woolf is on

and he's doing an excellent job defending Wright, including mentioning that he's really quite moderate and something of an academic. HA!

[FedoraLV]

87. Actually, he is

The authors he mentions are pretty standard reading in seminaries, as is the rest of liberation theology ... even kind of old hat.
<http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm>

(Obama's statement refers to him speaking a seminaries, too: liberation theology is not that crazy if you've been paying attention.)

-FedoraLV

[FedoraLV]

88. dupe /nt

[dsc]

83. Oh so now, Randi is a hater

Gee funny how that works.

[Justice Is Comin]

92. Randi Rhodes is an obnoxious self-adoring screech owl

that never had a word come out of her mouth that she didn't think was profound.

If she had one fourth the talent of Guy James, she wouldn't be losing listeners by the droves.

[dsc]

96. I tend to agree

I am not a huge fan of hers, but I just find it interesting that when she attacked Hillary she was great but all of the sudden now she is evil.

[JoFerret]

97. Wright is one of the haters

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[intaglio]

100. Hey this means that Randi

is no longer "dead" to the Clinton fans - Huzzah!